Re: table view wnpp page now on wnpp.debian.net
On Mon, 2008-03-24 at 01:41 +0100, Sebastian Pipping wrote: > Tim Cutts wrote: > > Still not free, but the following web site probably helps you do what > > you want: > > > > http://wellstyled.com/tools/colorscheme2/index-en.html > > Very cool tool. I guess they changed the license, > it reads Creative Commons BY-NC-SA 2.0 now. > -NC is not free :) > > > Click on its "triad" button, and it automatically picks three > > contrasting colours which work in all forms of colour blindness > > (including the extremely rare case of totally monochromatic vision). > > I applied a new set of colors, selected using the Color schemes > generator 2. Please let me know how the new set works. > The new set is very clear, thank you. kk > > > Sebastian > > -- Karl Goetz, Debian user / Ubuntu contributor / gNewSense contributor http://www.kgoetz.id.au signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: ssl problems: gpg affected?
On Thu, 2008-05-15 at 08:09 +0200, Norbert Preining wrote: > On Do, 15 Mai 2008, Steinar H. Gunderson wrote: > > No. Any key who had a single DSA signature created by the flawed version of > > OpenSSL should be considered compromised. DSA requires a secret, random > > Does this extend to gpg keys and its signatures? That would make quite > an impact. The DSA said no. kk > > Best wishes > > -- Karl Goetz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Bug#559134: ITP: shc -- a generic shell script compiler
On Wed, 02 Dec 2009 05:58:17 +0100 "Dario Minnucci \(midget\)" wrote: > * Package name: shc > shc's main purpose is to protect your shell scripts from > modification or inspection. You can use it if you wish to > distribute your scripts but don't want them to be easily > readable by other people. Does this mean its a tool to make software no longer DFSG compatible? seems a bit odd to include in Debian. kk -- Karl Goetz, (Kamping_Kaiser / VK5FOSS) Debian contributor / gNewSense Maintainer http://www.kgoetz.id.au No, I won't join your social networking group signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Package management unsafe?
On Sun, 2008-07-13 at 02:13 +0200, Franklin PIAT wrote: > Hello, > > On Sat, 2008-07-12 at 23:13 +, Joe Smith wrote: > > Andrei Popescu gmail.com> writes: > > > > One costly solution would be to get the client the send a challenge to a > trusted server, which would respond by gpg-signed the challenge + the > checksum of current .Release file. How would all these schemes work with offline mirrors? eg, ones that are built, and used without an internet connection for a month. kk > > Franklin > > -- Karl Goetz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: DFSG violations in Lenny: Summarizing the choices
On Sat, 2008-11-08 at 14:11 -0500, Theodore Tso wrote: > On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 12:47:01PM +, David Given wrote: > > In which case things have changed within the past couple of years --- > > after all, the whole purpose of the Atheros HAL was to inforce those FCC > > limits. Do you have any references? Like, to an FCC statement of policy > > change? If so, it would be extremely useful to have. > > There are corporate lawyers who are very much afraid that the FCC > could, if they were alerted to the fact that someone had figured out > how to reverse engineer the HAL and/or the firmware to cause their > WiFi unit to become a "super radio" that could transmit on any > frequency, that the FCC could prohibit the *hardware* from being sold > anywhere in the US. Why are they making hardware that can transmit on *any* frequency? Why are they not making hardware that transmits in the 2.4GHz ISM band perhaps with firmware to 'fine tune' it? Seems strange to pour lots of money into making an all-band radio then locking it to a 500MHz band. > So realistically, let's be honest with ourselves. Not supporting > devices that require non-free firmwares is not going to help make the > world a better place. What it will probably do is that users, once > they find out that that a Debian install will result in various bits > and pieces of their hardware being non-functional until they figure > out how to download various magic firmware components, or manually > configuring the non-free repository, will probably simply switch to > another distribution, such as Fedora or Ubuntu. At which point there > will be even *fewer* Debian users, and so Debian will have even *less* > leverage. Lets not forget there are people who will/do explicitly move *to* Debian because of its DFSG and freeness. kk > > - Ted -- Karl Goetz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: volunteers wanted for driving/finalizing a DEP on debian/copyright format
On Tue, 2 Dec 2008 22:36:15 +0100 "Miriam Ruiz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2008/12/2 Drake Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Quoth Miriam Ruiz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 2008-12-02 21:51:04 +0100: > >> Well, not exactly, you cannot easily see the copyright file before > >> installing the package, can you? > > > > p.d.o appears to permit viewing copyright files of packages > > currently in the archive. As an example: > > I know. I really don't want to start a flame on this, but you have to > be online for that, which is not always true, and also, it's not > really easy to add automatic filtering support to any tools based on > that. Would something like apt-listbugs work? I know it doesnt address the offline issue, but seems to fit as a concept for the rest of the problem. kk > > Thanks anyway :) > > Greetings, > Miry > > -- Karl Goetz, (Kamping_Kaiser / VK5FOSS) Debian user / gNewSense contributor http://www.kgoetz.id.au No, I won't join your social networking group -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is The number of stable users dropping fast?
On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 09:40:45 +0100 Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: > The number of installations using testing has been slowly increasing, > but not enough to compensate for the reduction in stable > installations. The net effect is that fewer and fewer are submitting > to popcon.debian.org. Or some people are doing what I did - clean install from stable -> testing (to see the new D-I) and not installing popcon. > > I suspect this is because Debian is loosing users. :( Wasn't there one of these threads a little while ago? kk > > Happy hacking, -- Karl Goetz, (Kamping_Kaiser / VK5FOSS) Debian user / gNewSense contributor http://www.kgoetz.id.au No, I won't join your social networking group -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Debian's Linux kernel continues to regress on freedom
On Wed, 2007-09-12 at 15:42 +0200, Ondrej Certik wrote: > > I guess the Social Contract really is a joke. I don't know why new > > applicants > > are supposed to agree to it. Old members apparently violate it at will for > > years > > with no consequences. > > > > It doesn't make me respect Debian very much. > > I am not a DD (yet), but all my packages were very strictly checked > for all non-free stuff that I forgot to delete and the Social Contract > is not a joke at all. This is why I am using Debian. > Good luck climbing to DD :) > > Developers you have, are better than developers you don't have. The > > ones you have, make Debian what it is. If reality doesn't match the > > theory, change the theory, not the reality. > > I disagree - this is one of the reasons I am using Debian, because it > strictly distinguishes between main and non-free. Agreed. > > If there are some non-free parts in the kernel, it can go to non-free > immediatelly, so that users can use it now, but things in main should > be DFSG free and that's how it should be. As I see it, the non-free > section is here precisely for those cases, that intuition says the > packages should be in Debian, nevertheless, they are not DFSG free. > Problem is that there has been non-free content in Linux (eg the kernel) since before Sarge was released (3 years ago?). For both Sarge and etch a GR was passed saying "we'll fix it up after this", and its still not fixed. Of course... this is my understanding only... Karl. > Ondrej > > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian's Linux kernel continues to regress on freedom
On Wed, 2007-09-12 at 20:45 +0200, Roland Mas wrote: > John Kelly, 2007-09-12 18:33:12 + : > > > Again, if Debian's highly esteemed social contract is for the > > benefit of users, then why not let users vote? > > We do, actually. Those users who do show interest in influencing the > course of Debian by concrete actions rather than by mailing-list > trolling are entitled to vote. Others aren't. What counts as concrete actions? > > How do we know the difference? The criterion is known as the NM > process. It's open to all. NM. Does this mean only packaging counts as "concrete actions"? If packaging is the only 'concrete action' accepted, the idea that users get a say *is* a joke. karl. > > Roland. > -- > Roland Mas > > Death *was* hereditary. You got it from your ancestors. > -- in Hogfather (Terry Pratchett) > > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian's Linux kernel continues to regress on freedom
On Wed, 2007-09-12 at 18:50 +, John Kelly wrote: > On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 20:45:07 +0200, Roland Mas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > >John Kelly, 2007-09-12 18:33:12 + : > > > >> Again, if Debian's highly esteemed social contract is for the > >> benefit of users, then why not let users vote? > > > >We do, actually. Those users who do show interest in influencing the > >course of Debian by concrete actions rather than by mailing-list > >trolling are entitled to vote. Others aren't. > > > > How do we know the difference? The criterion is known as the NM > >process. It's open to all. > > If only maintainers qualify as "users" then your social contract is a > farce. If only maintainers count as 'users' then the idea users vote is a farce. it doesnt make the whole social contract a farce. kk > > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Invite to join the Release Team
On Sun, 14 Mar 2010 12:58:48 +0100 Frank Lin PIAT wrote: > Hi dear Teams, At the risk of getting involved... > A few weeks ago, someone posted a link on planet.d.o, on how to > demotivate contributors (a wikipedia page)... unfortunately I can't > find the page anymore... > > On Sun, 2010-03-14 at 00:02 +0100, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > > On 12053 March 1977, Luk Claes wrote: > > > > > You seem to send the message that you can judge from the sideline > > > how things should be run, so I hereby invite you to join the > > > Release Team and do a proper job. > > > > [..] The first was him taking the FTP team as an example for good > > communication > > I have listed the announcements made by the Release team, and they > seem to spend quite some time doing it, as are quite a few entries > (see below or [1]) > > Yes, the FTP team is trying to be transparent, and that's great. > That's no reason to pick on other teams. As usually, "patch welcome" > applies (I guess;) Where was the criticism that started this thread posted to? I didn't notice it pass on -devel. kk -- Karl Goetz, (Kamping_Kaiser / VK5FOSS) Debian contributor / gNewSense Maintainer http://www.kgoetz.id.au No, I won't join your social networking group signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Invite to join the Release Team
On Sun, 14 Mar 2010 15:59:11 +0300 Stanislav Maslovski wrote: > On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 10:45:26PM +1030, Karl Goetz wrote: > > On Sun, 14 Mar 2010 12:58:48 +0100 > > Frank Lin PIAT wrote: > > > > > Hi dear Teams, > > > > At the risk of getting involved... > > > Where was the criticism that started this thread posted to? I didn't > > notice it pass on -devel. > > I think it was the reaction on Clint's recent post on > debian.planet.org. You can easily find it there. > Thanks, I'll go and look it up! kk -- Karl Goetz, (Kamping_Kaiser / VK5FOSS) Debian contributor / gNewSense Maintainer http://www.kgoetz.id.au No, I won't join your social networking group signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Is Robert Millan MIA?
Hi all, cc gNewSense volunteer managers, and Paul O'Malley [project founder]) I've not seen any life out of Robert since the middle of Febuary. I'm aware of several attempts to reach Robert, via Email or IRC [1]. All of these have been unsuccessful. Does someone have contact with Robert IRL? I'm primarily worried about him and his well being as a person, rather then his contributors as a developer. Does the MIA team's Echelon have a better knowledge of rober then Ive managed?S References to 'the correct place to follow up', or stories of IRL meetups gratefully accepted. [1] I'm happy to provide these details to MIA, but I'm a bit leery about providing them to the -devel list). thanks, kk -- Karl Goetz, (Kamping_Kaiser / VK5FOSS) Debian contributor / gNewSense Maintainer http://www.kgoetz.id.au No, I won't join your social networking group signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Is Robert Millan MIA?
On Wed, 17 Mar 2010 22:09:43 +0100 Jan Hauke Rahm wrote: > Hi again, > > On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 04:34:16AM +1030, Karl Goetz wrote: > > I've not seen any life out of Robert since the middle of Febuary. > > I'm aware of several attempts to reach Robert, via Email or IRC > > [1]. All of these have been unsuccessful. Does someone have > > contact with Robert IRL? I'm primarily worried about him and his > > well being as a person, rather then his contributors as a developer. > > I am happy I can tell you that one of our fellow developers just > talked to Robert on the phone. He's fine and just taking some time > off of the usual internet stuff. Fabtastic. > All's good after all it seems. > > Hauke Thanks letting us know. kk -- Karl Goetz, (Kamping_Kaiser / VK5FOSS) Debian contributor / gNewSense Maintainer http://www.kgoetz.id.au No, I won't join your social networking group signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Work-needing packages report for Oct 8, 2010
On Fri, 08 Oct 2010 08:57:02 + w...@debian.org wrote: > The following is a listing of packages for which help has been > requested through the WNPP (Work-Needing and Prospective Packages) > system in the last week. > > Total number of orphaned packages: 0 (new: 0) > Total number of packages offered up for adoption: 0 (new: 0) > Total number of packages requested help for: 0 (new: 0) um is this a bug, or does this run on a cleaned up testing? kk -- Karl Goetz, (Kamping_Kaiser / VK5FOSS) Debian contributor / gNewSense Maintainer http://www.kgoetz.id.au No, I won't join your social networking group signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Needed input from Australian users and developers:; choosing timezones for Australia in D-I
On Wed, 23 Mar 2011 10:18:04 +0800 Paul Wise wrote: > this would only work for g-i not the text-based installer. The > text-based installer could use the GNOME strategy of providing a > search box to input your city/country and a list of possibly > corresponding timezones/locales. Would you remove the 'country' question from d-i? else the timezone option would then be asking you for redundant information. kk -- Karl Goetz, (Kamping_Kaiser / VK5FOSS) Debian contributor / gNewSense Maintainer http://www.kgoetz.id.au No, I won't join your social networking group signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Needed input from Australian users and developers:; choosing timezones for Australia in D-I
On Wed, 23 Mar 2011 07:15:20 +0100 Christian PERRIER wrote: > Quoting Paul Wise (p...@debian.org): > > I agree with the other Australians in the thread; the east-coast > > timezones are currently all the same but might not be in the future > > so we shouldn't rely on them being the same and we should allow > > selection of Australia/Sydney vs Australia/Melbourne. > > Sure. That was an option I was considering, too. > > I'm just not fond of "Australia/Sydney" presented as a choice, I'd > rather have "New South-Wales". Is there a particular reason for this? (Perhaps consistency, guessing by the rest of your post?) > Given that the map idea is great...but just an idea which I certainly > am unable to implement, and that I have to deal with what we have > *now*, I hereby propose selecting states: > > New South-Wales No hyphen in nsw ( http://www.nsw.gov.au/ ) > Victoria > Australian Capital Territory > Queensland > Tasmania > South Australia > Northern Territory > Western Australia > Eyre Highway > Yancowinna county > Lord Howe Island That would work, but practically its not changing a great deal from the current setup. thanks, kk -- Karl Goetz, (Kamping_Kaiser / VK5FOSS) Debian contributor / gNewSense Maintainer http://www.kgoetz.id.au No, I won't join your social networking group signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Needed input from Australian users and developers:; choosing timezones for Australia in D-I
On Wed, 23 Mar 2011 12:28:18 +1100 Ben Finney wrote: > Christian PERRIER writes: > > > The timezone choice in D-I is supposed to be user-friendly and easy > > to understand for the average citizen of the said country. > > FWIW: the existing Australian timezone choice in D-I seems fine from > the point of view of the Australians I've seen do installs (including > myself). I'll agree with that - of all the parts of the installer that i've seen people step through, timezones is one that they haven't needed help with. > > When it comes at Australia, the choice was, up to now: > > [14 options] > > > > That's indeed insane..:-). Hobart (Tasmania), Melbourne (Victoria), > > Sydney (NSW) and Canberra (ACT) have the *exact* same time rules > > (including DST). There might be 14 options, but its always clear which one you want. (the capital for your state/territory or a 'special' timezone). is there a reason you feel its insane? > > I currently propose to offer the following choices in D-I: > > > > Victoria, ACT, NSW, Tasmania (Eastern Time, DST) > > Queensland (Eastern Time, no DST) > > South Australia (Central Time, DST) > > Northern Territory (Central Time, no DST) > > Western Australia (Western Time) > > Central Western Standard Time (Eucla) > > Lord Howe Island > > > > Do you guys think this would be understandable to the average > > Australian? > > Yes. However, please ensure that no-one working on this gets the > impression this reduction in options is to be relied on; it's at the > whim of government that demonstrates frequent whimsy in adding as well > as reducing options. I was wondering - is the trimming to somehow benefit the d-i people, or those installing debian? I'm not sure the suggested system makes it any more obvious to people then the existing one. For most (all?) Australian states the capital is at least 50% of the population [1]. People know which capital is theirs, and there is a good chance they are in it. [1] Adelaide has 90%+ of the states population within 50km of the cbd > > An alternative was: Please skip this alternative :) kk -- Karl Goetz, (Kamping_Kaiser / VK5FOSS) Debian contributor / gNewSense Maintainer http://www.kgoetz.id.au No, I won't join your social networking group signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Linux-libre for Debian Lenny
On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 12:45:11 +0200 m...@linux.it (Marco d'Itri) wrote: > On Apr 23, Robert Millan wrote: > > > In spite that you don't, I'm certain many of our users will > > appreciate this. > Lurkers told you so in private mails? Its not like you appreciate them (users/lurkers, call them what you will) announcing it on -dev ... (Your not a DD, so STFU etc) > Thanks for the packages Robert! kk -- Karl Goetz, (Kamping_Kaiser / VK5FOSS) Debian user / gNewSense contributor http://www.kgoetz.id.au No, I won't join your social networking group signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Linux-libre for Debian Lenny
On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 17:11:42 +0200 Michael Meskes wrote: > On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 12:12:21AM +0930, Karl Goetz wrote: > > On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 12:45:11 +0200 > > m...@linux.it (Marco d'Itri) wrote: > > ... > > > Lurkers told you so in private mails? > > > > Its not like you appreciate them (users/lurkers, call them what you > > will) announcing it on -dev ... (Your not a DD, so STFU etc) > > Ehem, Marco is not a DD? No, I believe he is :) > > Even if he wasn't why isn't he allowed to voice this question here? > Are you a DD? Do you post here? No, I'm not a DD, and I suspect a number of people who agree with Robert/would like his packages are not DDs. This list is particularly famous for telling people who are not DDs to go and be quiet (in my words, I'm sure the emails don't say that exactly...) > > Sorry, I simply don't get it. Sorry, guess I was to terse. kk > > Michael > -- Karl Goetz, (Kamping_Kaiser / VK5FOSS) Debian user / gNewSense contributor http://www.kgoetz.id.au No, I won't join your social networking group signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s
On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 00:23:33 +0200 Frank Lin PIAT wrote: > On Mon, 2009-04-27 at 14:48 +0200, Michal Čihař wrote: > > Hi > > > > Dne Mon, 27 Apr 2009 13:39:15 +0100 > > Noah Slater napsal(a): > > > * The Debian lists do not have a Reply-To header, meaning that > > > by default my email client wants to send replies to individual > > > posters. To get the mailing list included in the reply means that > > > I have to reply to all. It's a very easy mistake to make, not to > > > remember to manually shuffle these addresses around each time I > > > want to send a follow up. Don't make me think! > > > > See http://wiki.mutt.org/?MuttLists, part Lists' "technical". (Most > > email clients do have this feature, Mutt was chosen because of > > User-Agent field in your email.) > > This thread will come over again and again until: > > 1. Debian stops getting new contributors (that haven't configured > their MUA properly "yet") > 2. Debian mailing-list sends appropriate "hints" so MUAs behave in >conformance with the m-l policy. > 3. Debian mailing-lists' policy is changes. > 4. The following MUA are fixed to behave "properly" when a user >press "reply": > > grep -hE '^(User-Agent:|X-Mailer)' lists/* | sed -e 's/^[^:]*:\s*//' > \ | sed -e 's,[ /].*,,' -e 's,(.*,,' | sort | uniq -c | sort -n -k 1 > 343 Claws > 329 Sylpheed Claws usually does this correctly, I think the exception is when the direct reply is the one you respond to. > > /me uses Debian's default MUA > /me tries hard to avoid CC'ing sender. > /me sometimes fails to remove CC'd people. /me had to use 'L' on Debians default MUA for the reply-to-list. kk > > Regards, > > Franklin -- Karl Goetz, (Kamping_Kaiser / VK5FOSS) Debian user / gNewSense contributor http://www.kgoetz.id.au No, I won't join your social networking group signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Debian documentation permalinks
On Wed, 30 May 2012 13:20:24 +0100 Philip Ashmore wrote: > On 30/05/12 12:29, Bernd Zeimetz wrote: > > On 05/26/2012 09:09 PM, Philip Ashmore wrote: > >> On 05/26/2012 06:53 AM, Jonathan Callen wrote: > >>> On 05/25/2012 10:03 PM, Philip Ashmore wrote: > >>>> Hi there. > >>>> > >>>> First, here's what I'm talking about - > >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permalink > >>>> Unfortunately Wikipedia doesn't offer permalinks itself, so > >>>> hopefully the above link won't "rot". > >>> > >>> And here's the permalink to the above article, as it was when the > >>> preceding post was made: > >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Permalink&oldid=483438630 > >>> Or, if you prefer links that don't indicate where they're really > >>> going: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=483438630 > >> > >> I'm happy and sad with this. > >> Happy that Wikipedia provides permalink support. > >> Sad that it didn't document it in its article about permalinks. > >> > >> Is there documentation on this feature somewhere? > >> > >> Permalinks, along with the fact that MediaWiki is free GPLv2, > >> makes a compelling argument for moving Debian documentation to > >> MediaWiki. > > > > Which documentation are you talking about? Most official > > documentation should have a fixed URL. > > > > If you are talking about the wiki: retrieving a fixed version from > > moinmoin is the same as in mediawiki. > > > > So I can't see a useful argument here, only FUD trying to talk > > people into using Mediawiki. > > > Hi there and thanks for your feedback. > > I'm talking about the fact that Debian has mail archives that may > include links to documentation that has changed since the mail was > written, possibly rendering the mail thread misleading or nonsensical. > > Any documentation system that can provide a means to refer to a > specific version (permalinks) would be better than what's there now. Could you give examples of things lacking permalinks? thanks, kk -- Karl Goetz, (Kamping_Kaiser / VK7FOSS) http://www.kgoetz.id.au No, I won't join your social networking group *** I've changed GPG key to 6C097260 *** signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: CD1 without a network mirror isn't sufficient to install a full desktop environment
On Tue, 18 Sep 2012, 19:45:36 EST, Serge wrote: > 2012/9/11 Jon Dowland wrote: > > > I feel that the decision to change from GNOME to something else, on the > > basis of complaints about GNOME 3, should only be considered after > > we've actually released with at least one version of GNOME 3. > > There's no need to walk through the minefield, it's already done. > Fedora lost more than half of the user base with the Fedora 15 That really needs a citation. .. > release (GNOME3 and systemd). They now bring GNOME2 back. [1] :) > > [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/MATE-Desktop I am not familiar with fedoras package addition - is there something about it which means its a project decisision rather then interested developers? Thanks, kk -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1347973062.2485.3.camel@Nokia-N900-02-8
Re: Reply to a RFP on the right way
On Sun, 09 Oct 2011 14:08:30 +0200 José Luis Segura Lucas wrote: > Hi. > > I'm trying to contribute to Debian with a new package. I have > searched on the BTS and found that the library I want to package has > an open RFP process [1]. > > I'm not new at all with Debian packaging, but it is my first > contribution to Debian project. If you are new to debian packaging, you might find the mentors helpful. http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ irc://irc.debian.org/debian-mentors thanks, kk -- Karl Goetz, (Kamping_Kaiser / VK7FOSS) http://www.kgoetz.id.au No, I won't join your social networking group signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Announcing derivatives patches and call for help and feedback
On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 13:57:20 +0200 Mehdi Dogguy wrote: > On 25/10/2011 09:50, Paul Wise wrote: > > > > For the presentation side of things I am thinking one approach > > might be to move UbuntuDiff[8] to the QA infrastructure, generalise > > it and enhance it for this purpose. This will necessarily include > > mechanisms to mark patches as having been dealt with or ignorable. > > > > 8. http://ubuntudiff.debian.net/ [...] > About source code, it is written in OCaml. I realize that OCaml is > not the best candidate if we want people to contribute patches (or > even have a look at the code) :) It depends on who wants to > contribute here. I'm open to suggestions… If integration with PTS is planned (and or if you're using ubuntu-distro-info) perhaps python would make sense as a language choice. > ¹: btw, the tool's name is “maddie”. Hopefully it won't be confused with (r)maddison :) thanks, kk -- Karl Goetz, (Kamping_Kaiser / VK7FOSS) http://www.kgoetz.id.au No, I won't join your social networking group signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Announcing derivatives patches and call for help and feedback
On Mon, 31 Oct 2011 18:34:47 +0800 Paul Wise wrote: > On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 5:28 PM, Karl Goetz wrote: > > > As a (largely) non coder, what should I look for in (say) gNewSenses > > patches to know if it can be filtered out automatically? Are there > > any common indicators? > > Anything that looks like cruft or things that the Debian maintainer > does not need to see. ok. > It was suggested on IRC that I should delegate the filtering to > maintainers with an easy interface. I'm not sure what that would look > like but it sounds a much more useful way to do things. Hopefully Sounds smart :) thanks, kk > Mehdi would be willing to work on it too :) > -- Karl Goetz, (Kamping_Kaiser / VK7FOSS) http://www.kgoetz.id.au No, I won't join your social networking group signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: directory under /usr/bin -- Ok or not?
On Wed, 2 Nov 2011 13:31:06 -0400 Yaroslav Halchenko wrote: > Do we have any policy/recommendation forbidding/disadvising having > subdirectories under /usr/bin? [...] > I have checked FHS which only says: > "The following directories, or symbolic links to directories, must be > in /usr/bin..." > > so it seems to be ok to have subdirectories under /usr/bin (for /bin > there is strict "must not"), and I failed to find something in > debian policy forbidding or allowing taht. So would it be ok? I don't have a link at the moment (because linuxfoundation bugzilla/bzr/etc is still MIA), but I'm pretty sure its been clarified forbidding subdirs in any of the (s)bin directories for FHS 3.0 (and the exceptions you cite have also been removed). If/when all the infrastructure comes back, you can find links to them at [1]. [1] http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/fhs-discuss/2011-August/000334.html thanks, kk -- Karl Goetz, (Kamping_Kaiser / VK7FOSS) http://www.kgoetz.id.au No, I won't join your social networking group signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: directory under /usr/bin -- Ok or not?
On Wed, 2 Nov 2011 18:41:20 -0400 Yaroslav Halchenko wrote: > thanks once again > > > Your understanding is misguided. If you intend it to be a user > > interface, it belongs on the PATH. If you don't, it belongs > > under /usr/lib. > > I hear you regarding that ideally they should be on the PATH... > but -- nothing in FHS talks about PATH. > > thoughts aloud: > >science could indeed be considered a game -- may be I should > advise on such PATH-driven interpretation and ask upstream to place >their binaries under /usr/games then which is in the PATH -- then > we should all be compliant with our intertrepations of FHS ;) > damn... there is only 1 /usr/games so once again -- conflicts > conflicts conflicts Not sure what you're trying to suggest here? The FHS *is* clear on what goes in /usr/games: games Games and educational binaries (optional) > not sure if of any point, since the list seems to be only full of > SPAM I have posted my question to [1]. > > [1] > http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=200553.GL10325%40onerussian.com&forum_name=freestandards-fhs-discuss This is not the proper location for FHS discussion, [1] is. [1] https://lists.linux-foundation.org/mailman/listinfo/fhs-discuss thanks, kk -- Karl Goetz, (Kamping_Kaiser / VK7FOSS) http://www.kgoetz.id.au No, I won't join your social networking group signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: directory under /usr/bin -- Ok or not?
On Wed, 2 Nov 2011 19:11:11 -0400
Yaroslav Halchenko wrote:
>
> On Thu, 03 Nov 2011, Karl Goetz wrote:
> > Not sure what you're trying to suggest here? The FHS *is* clear on
> > what goes in /usr/games:
> > games Games and educational binaries (optional)
>
> I wasn't really suggesting anything I guess... just objected suggested
> PATH-driven interpretation of what goes under /usr/bin
ok
> > > http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=200553.GL10325%40onerussian.com&forum_name=freestandards-fhs-discuss
> > This is not the proper location for FHS discussion, [1] is.
> > [1] https://lists.linux-foundation.org/mailman/listinfo/fhs-discuss
>
> ah -- thanks -- I just followed a link on
> http://www.pathname.com/fhs/
Not sure who can fix that page, a few links need updating to the new
location. The page source mentions Daniel Quinlan, if you're interested
in following up perhaps try him.
> will repost to fhs-discuss now
For FHS 3.0 its already changed to No subdirectories in {,/usr}/(s)bin.
thanks,
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Re: directory under /usr/bin -- Ok or not?
On Sat, 5 Nov 2011 16:51:14 +
Ian Jackson wrote:
> Clint Adams writes ("Re: directory under /usr/bin -- Ok or not?"):
> > On Fri, Nov 04, 2011 at 09:46:20PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> > > I don?t think Debian requests FHS to document something before we
> > > can use it. The real problem with the bizarre GNU invention that
> > > is /usr/libexec is that nobody knows what it is here for.
> >
> > Allegedly it was going to be in the FHS but a couple of Debian
> > loudmouths whined until it was omitted for no good reason.
>
> As one of those loudmouths:
>
> 1. There is still no good reason for libexec.
>
> 2. Obviously the right answer with a standardisation decision you
>don't like is to wait until (a) it's implemented everywhere and
>(b) the people you originally disagreed with have moved on to other
>things, and then to change the standard to be the way you always
>wanted it to be.
A few months ago when libexec was brought up on the FHS list [1], I
couldn't find any list archive with the original discussions. Other
then the bugzilla (which is unfortunately MIA atm...) do you know where
people can look for the last round of discussion? Without any of the
people originally involved in fhs 2.x being involved in 3.x (TTBOMK)
and no historical reference its not entirely surprising that a different
choice is being made.
(Note here I'm not taking a stance on if it should be in or not).
[1] elseware in the thread i saw a sourceforce fhs-discuss list. Is
that the one? If so I'll go digging there.
thanks,
kk
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Re: directory under /usr/bin -- Ok or not?
On Mon, 7 Nov 2011 12:24:35 +1100 Brian May wrote: > On 7 November 2011 11:26, Andreas Bombe wrote: > > The sftp-server on the other hand is provided by the package that > > also contains its only caller AFAICS. That should be > > in /usr/lib/$PACKAGE together with other package specific binary > > stuff — it doesn't make a difference whether it's linked, > > dlopen()ed or exec()ed. > > I think we are talking about /usr/lib, not /usr/lib/$PACKAGE (?). > > On my Ubuntu system /usr/lib already has some binaries, although some > might be just for backward compatibility: > > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 2011-07-30 02:02 /usr/lib/sftp-server -> > openssh/sftp-server* > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 2011-10-07 15:20 /usr/lib/sendmail -> > ../sbin/sendmail* This is mandated by the fhs 2.x /usr/share/doc/debian-policy/fhs/fhs-2.3.txt.gz : > Specific Options > > For historical reasons, /usr/lib/sendmail must be a symbolic link > to /usr/sbin/ sendmail if the latter exists. [24] Removing it for 3.x was discussed, i don't remember the result offhand. > /usr/lib has so many files, maybe there might be performance reasons > for splitting it up, depending on what filesystem you have? FYI, /usr/libexec was discussed in deb-dev in 2005 [1], and performance was mentioned a couple of times ([2] being an example). You'll have to browse the thread to see the arguments for/against :) [1] http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/05/msg00401.html [2] http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/05/msg00434.html thanks, kk -- Karl Goetz, (Kamping_Kaiser / VK7FOSS) http://www.kgoetz.id.au No, I won't join your social networking group signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Red Hat is moving from / to /usr/
On Thu, 08 Dec 2011 10:40:36 +0100 Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > Igor Pashev writes: > > > 07.12.2011 04:43, Marco d'Itri пишет: > >> http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/hotplug/udev.git;a=commitdiff;h=12a362be5c1982f80dbfb75bda070208a2c99cdf > >> > >> Discuss. > >> > > I don't see any reason to move all into /usr from /, > > and make initrd for minimal system: > The initramfs on the other hand is made to fit. So if /usr isn't on a > networking filesystem (NFS) then you won't get networking stuff in the > initramfs. No raid then mdadm isn't included. No lvm and the initramfs > gets smaller again. And only select modules for one kernel are in > there. Huge space saving again. So an initramfs will/can be minimal. I assume this means it will be impossible to swap the hdd from one system to another without rebuilding the initramfs? Seems like a step backwards for flexability. thanks, kk -- Karl Goetz, (Kamping_Kaiser / VK7FOSS) http://www.kgoetz.id.au No, I won't join your social networking group signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Red Hat is moving from / to /usr/
On Mon, 12 Dec 2011 08:11:55 +0100 Reinhard Tartler wrote: > On Mo, Dez 12, 2011 at 05:36:41 (CET), Karl Goetz wrote: > > [...] > > >> The initramfs on the other hand is made to fit. So if /usr isn't > >> on a networking filesystem (NFS) then you won't get networking > >> stuff in the initramfs. No raid then mdadm isn't included. No lvm > >> and the initramfs gets smaller again. And only select modules for > >> one kernel are in there. Huge space saving again. So an initramfs > >> will/can be minimal. > > > > I assume this means it will be impossible to swap the hdd from one > > system to another without rebuilding the initramfs? Seems like a > > step backwards for flexability. > > Trimming the initramfs is an *optional* feature. > > cf. /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf Thanks for clearing that up. kk -- Karl Goetz, (Kamping_Kaiser / VK7FOSS) http://www.kgoetz.id.au No, I won't join your social networking group signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Bug#644788: Bug#654116: RFH: screen -- terminal multiplexor with VT100/ANSI terminal emulation
On Mon, 2 Jan 2012 04:13:44 +0100 Axel Beckert wrote: > Hi Marco, > > Marco d'Itri wrote: > > >2) Make screen 4.0.3 and screen 4.1.0 installable at the same > > > time, i.e. give them different source and binary package names. > > This would require a great amount of work > > I fear so, yes. > > > to fix a tiny problem which presents itself just for the length of > > the upgrade process, if at all. > > Correct. It's an option nevertheless, so I mentioned it. Sorry if I've misunderstood, but doesn't this problem manifest for *anyone* trying to ssh from a wheezy system to a squeeze system? thanks, kk -- Karl Goetz, (Kamping_Kaiser / VK7FOSS) http://www.kgoetz.id.au No, I won't join your social networking group signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Bug#644788: Bug#654116: RFH: screen -- terminal multiplexor with VT100/ANSI terminal emulation
On Mon, 2 Jan 2012 09:40:33 -0200 Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > On Mon, 02 Jan 2012, Karl Goetz wrote: > > > > to fix a tiny problem which presents itself just for the length > > > > of the upgrade process, if at all. > > > > > > Correct. It's an option nevertheless, so I mentioned it. > > > > Sorry if I've misunderstood, but doesn't this problem manifest for > > *anyone* trying to ssh from a wheezy system to a squeeze system? > > Only if you're tunelling the screen protocol itself over ssh, which > is not how it is normally used. In fact, I am not even sure you can > do it that way... > Silly me :/ kk -- Karl Goetz, (Kamping_Kaiser / VK7FOSS) http://www.kgoetz.id.au No, I won't join your social networking group signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: cross-build-essential
On Thu, 19 Jan 2012 12:10:28 + Wookey wrote: > I've thought for a long time that a package like build-essential for > cross-building would be a really good idea. > > Currently to get the right tools and libs installed for cross-building > you need to do slightly different things on different distros > > Having just been looking at sbuild cross-support it becomes clear that > something like this would be a very useful adititon. > > Can anyone see any reason why we shouldn't just have > $arch-crossbuild-essential which depends on the right things? shouldn't it be crossbuild-essential-$arch? it would help tab completion for apt, and would probably allow easier searching. thanks, kk -- Karl Goetz, (Kamping_Kaiser / VK7FOSS) http://www.kgoetz.id.au No, I won't join your social networking group signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Doesn't contain source for waf binary code
On Tue, 7 Feb 2012 13:16:01 +
Ian Jackson wrote:
> Michael Biebl writes ("Doesn't contain source for waf binary code"):
> > as this issue affects quite a few packages, I'd like to bring this
> > up for wider discussion.
> >
> > The issue basically is, that the waf build system uses a python
> > script, which embeds a bz2 tarball containing further python
> > sources. Those are unpacked to .waf-*/ when the waf script is
> > executed. More details can be found at [1].
> * It is possible that some upstream "source" packages contain "waf"
>scripts which were generated from modified versions of waf.git. In
>this case we may discover that those packages cannot be built with
>publicly available versions of waf.git.
I don't know anything about waf not mentioned in this thread, but
would it be possible to patch the package to work with a packaged waf
instead?
thanks,
kk
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Re: upstart: please update to latest upstream version
On Fri, 24 Feb 2012 17:07:46 +0800 Thomas Goirand wrote: > On 02/23/2012 05:54 PM, Lars Wirzenius wrote: > > On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 10:29:37AM +0100, Thomas Hood wrote: > > > >> I know the System V init system fairly well but I am new to both > >> Upstart and systemd. Obviously the two are similar insofar as they > >> are both able to supersede SysV init. > >> > > I'm mostly a newbie with both, too. However, apart from technical > > differences, I see the following as a serious issue: upstart > > requires contributors to sign the Canonical contributor agreement > > (http://www.canonical.com/contributors). That requirement would > > prevent at least some people (including myself) from being > > interested in working on upstart at all, unless paid. > > > > > Gosh, this is insane. I agree it would be a blocker. We can't ask > all the maintainers of providing daemon packages to sign it, and > there's no reasons why we should force them to. Contributors *to upstart* need to agree to the canonical contribution agreement, I'm not sure what gives you the idea that all daemon maintainers will fall in that category. thanks, kk -- Karl Goetz, (Kamping_Kaiser / VK7FOSS) http://www.kgoetz.id.au No, I won't join your social networking group signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: upstart: please update to latest upstream version
On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 01:19:14 +0100 Matthias Klumpp wrote: > 2012/2/26 Uoti Urpala : > > Cyril Brulebois wrote: > >> Uoti Urpala (26/02/2012): > >> > Is there reason to believe this would be a particular problem > >> > with systemd? Most of the controversy I've seen surrounding > >> > Poettering has been due to people resisting the kind of change > >> > he has championed. I don't remember seeing much about him being > >> > "difficult to work with" in any sense that would make it hard to > >> > contribute to systemd (though not much to the contrary either). > In any case, as was mentioned before, these issues shouldn't have > priority now. Debian should pick the technically best solution, and > finding out which one is the best should be the priority. As soon as > this is decided somehow, we could think of how to support kFreeBSD and > all the other stuff. Surely what it will support (and how it will be supported) would be part of a desision about 'technically best'? thanks, kk -- Karl Goetz, (Kamping_Kaiser / VK7FOSS) http://www.kgoetz.id.au No, I won't join your social networking group signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Unofficial repositories on 'debian' domains
On Mon, 5 Mar 2012 22:19:09 +0100 Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > On Mon, Mar 05, 2012 at 08:09:47PM +, Philipp Kern wrote: > > The reason being what? We have ZIP password crackers in the > > archive, too. > > Cracking ZIP passwords doesn't fall under the auspices of DMCA or your > equivalent $county_specific_law (and there are quite a few around the > world, unfortunately). I'm surprised, I thought DMCA applied to circumventing protections designed to 'protect' copyright. thanks, kk -- Karl Goetz, (Kamping_Kaiser / VK7FOSS) http://www.kgoetz.id.au No, I won't join your social networking group *** I've changed GPG key to 6C097260 *** signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: upstart: please update to latest upstream version
On Thu, 8 Mar 2012 02:25:52 +0100 m...@linux.it (Marco d'Itri) wrote: I'm not taking a stance on the wider issue, just wanted to comment on these two points. > On Mar 06, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > > > Should Debian reject using > > system > > > component> just to support toy ports which are used by a dozen of > > > component> people? > > Except that kFreeBSD is not a toy port. > > > > FreeBSD is a serious operating system that is used by many people in > > system-critical applications, which runs on modern hardware and > > outperforms the hell of Linux in some regards. > Let's accept that this is true for the sake of the argument. > Still, the kFreeBSD ports are not FreeBSD. They have 106 systems > reporting to popcon, compared to 12 Linux systems just for amd64 > and i386. > With such a users base you do not dictate developement of an OS which > has 1000 times more users: you do your best to not stand in the way > if you want a future. I'm reminded of this thread [1] over the s390 port. Popcon isn't accurate. Its numbers can't be relied on. [1] http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2009/09/msg00078.html > > The kFreeBSD port has some features over Linux that makes it an > > interesting option for some use cases, such as ZFS, jails, and more. > Which, which very good approximation, nobody uses. > And let's not forget that there has been no real stable release yet. The lack of a stable release (where this means 'shipped as a full release arch for Debian') will be another factor in the popcon score: The appearance that its not yet ready for use. thanks, kk -- Karl Goetz, (Kamping_Kaiser / VK7FOSS) http://www.kgoetz.id.au No, I won't join your social networking group *** I've changed GPG key to 6C097260 *** signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: On init in Debian
On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 00:48:01 +0800 Thomas Goirand wrote: > On 03/17/2012 08:40 PM, Philip Hands wrote: > > I'm happy to help with that ... > > Cool! Let's do it together then. > > > although, I doubt we're the first people > > to think of something like this, and it would be a shame to ignore > > an existing solution. > > > > RedHat have some functions for use in init scripts, in > > /etc/rc.d/functions (although I've not used RedHat for a decade or > > more, so I've no idea what's included there). > > > > I had a look in a CentOS VM, and I didn't see such file. Is it only > in RHEL? 19:33:06 (centos6) kgoetz@epicfail: ~ $ ls /etc/init.d/functions -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 14K Dec 19 12:00 /etc/init.d/functions (i note init.d is a symlink to /etc/rc.d/init.d, so the functions have been moved down a level) thanks, kk -- Karl Goetz, (Kamping_Kaiser / VK7FOSS) http://www.kgoetz.id.au No, I won't join your social networking group *** I've changed GPG key to 6C097260 *** signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: On init in Debian
On Sat, 17 Mar 2012 18:23:57 +0800 Thomas Goirand wrote: > On 03/17/2012 08:10 AM, Fernando Lemos wrote: > > Right now, creating a init script means copying an ugly 159-line > > skeleton and carefully editing it, hoping not to break anything > > while at it. Even if we can't have a single generator for multiple > > init systems, having something declarative to build most init > > scripts we need would be a big step forward and it would make a lot > > of sense as well in a future where we may need to support multiple > > init systems. > some others to review my work. The ultimate goal would be that > packages would simply need to do something like: > > NAME=package-binary-file > DESC="package daemon description" If you are planning to generate these out of systemd/upstart configs, both provide a description field, but I don't see a name field from either. http://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.unit.html http://linux.die.net/man/5/init > [ -e . /usr/share/sysv-lib/debsysv-lib ] && debsysv-init-lib $@ > > That's (in best cases) only 3 lines, (plus the lsb-base header)... > Of course, in many cases, we need a bit more, this could be > implemented with things like START_OPTS / STOP_OPTS and > so on, and maybe some hooks for start/stop functions. Hopefully there is some way to know (as a user) that a service doesn't support restart (or some other arbitrary target). Services that silently fail to (re)start are rather annoying thanks, kk -- Karl Goetz, (Kamping_Kaiser / VK7FOSS) http://www.kgoetz.id.au No, I won't join your social networking group *** I've changed GPG key to 6C097260 *** signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Bug#693998: ITP: linux-minidisc -- Free software for accessing NetMD and HiMD MiniDisc devices
On Sat, 24 Nov 2012, 00:26:34 LHST, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 09:02:18AM +0800, Paul Wise wrote: > > On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 3:16 AM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > > > > > * Package name : linux-minidisc > > > > Thats a strange name considering it builds and runs on MacOS, Windows, > > Linux, FreeBSD and Haiku. > > Yes, the name is indeed somewhat confusing in that regard. > If you have a better idea, I'd be happy to hear it ;). Not necessary better, but perhaps libre-minidisk? 3 letters different and only contains one trademark :) thanks, kk -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1353786925.1563.5.camel@Nokia-N900-02-8
Re: "Do not CC me"
On Mon, 26 Nov 2012, 07:27:31 LHST, Игорь Пашев wrote: > Hi there! > > I see many note in this list like: > "I'm registered to the list. So please *do not* Cc: me." > > So I'd like to note: > > 1. Some e-mail cleints make it hard not to CC. For example GMail has only > two options: reply and reply to all. "Reply" will send email to the > author, not to the list then people using those mail clients will need to take extra care to remove CCs, just as i had to in replying now. Thanks, kk > 2. Some email cleints are smart enough to guess that CC and list email is > the same and will not duplicate it -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1353875732.2685.2.camel@Nokia-N900-02-8
Re: Default size limits for /run (/var/run) and /run/lock (/var/lock)
On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 10:32:42 +0100 Roger Leigh wrote: > On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 12:38:03PM +0100, Roger Leigh wrote: > Following the discussion yesterday, I'd like to propose doing > something like the example below. It's possible to size a tmpfs > as a percentage of core memory, the default being -o size=50%. > Rather than setting an absolute value, we can size e.g. /run > as a percentage of total memory, which should scale with /run > usage better than a fixed value. > > Proposal: [...] > /run/shm: No default (use general tmpfs default of 20%) > /tmp: No default (use general tmpfs default of 20%) 20% doesn't seem like a lot for /tmp when people try and compile something. While its not something most people end up doing, it does seem odd to make people change their tempfs size before they can start building packages for debian/themselves. just a thought, kk -- Karl Goetz, (Kamping_Kaiser / VK5FOSS) Debian contributor / gNewSense Maintainer http://www.kgoetz.id.au No, I won't join your social networking group signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Bug#617867: ITP: morse-coach -- Koch method Morse code trainer for GTK+ and Pulseaudio
On Fri, 11 Mar 2011 17:44:42 -0600 Kirk Wolff wrote: > Package: wnpp > Severity: wishlist > Owner: Kirk Wolff > > > * Package name: morse-coach > Version : 0.0.1 > Upstream Author : Kirk Wolff > * URL : http://morse-coach.sf.net/ > * License : GPLv3 > Programming Lang: C > Description : Koch method Morse code trainer for GTK+ and > Pulseaudio How does this relate to debians existing morse package? http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/morse There is an updated package of that waiting on mentors too: http://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool/main/m/morse/ both appear to use pulseaudio, could you port your gtk ui to the existing morse? kk -- Karl Goetz, (Kamping_Kaiser / VK5FOSS) Debian contributor / gNewSense Maintainer http://www.kgoetz.id.au No, I won't join your social networking group signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Providing official virtualisation images of Debian
On Tue, 26 Jul 2011 00:27:09 +0200 Moritz Mühlenhoff wrote: > Hi, > I believe it's high time we start to providing Debian in form of > official virtualisation images. In contrast to the ISOs currently I'd certainly find qemu-kvm images handy, Problem might be with the amount of space on the host used by (free space) in the images. > I think it's sufficient for starters to provide images for stable > (they can be updated for every few point updates if needed). > > What virtualisation solutions should be supported? > - Vmware has a significant installed base and is relevant, although > proprietary > - Microsoft Virtual PC is likely also needed > - Citrix XenServer? Would this require the Debian project to go out and buy various bits of proprietary software to build the images with? thanks, kk -- Karl Goetz, (Kamping_Kaiser / VK5FOSS) Debian contributor / gNewSense Maintainer http://www.kgoetz.id.au No, I won't join your social networking group signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Providing official virtualisation images of Debian
On Tue, 26 Jul 2011 18:44:26 +0200 Moritz Mühlenhoff wrote: > Karl Goetz schrieb: > > >> I think it's sufficient for starters to provide images for stable > >> (they can be updated for every few point updates if needed). > >>=20 > >> What virtualisation solutions should be supported? > > > >> - Vmware has a significant installed base and is relevant, although > >> proprietary > >> - Microsoft Virtual PC is likely also needed > >> - Citrix XenServer? > > > > Would this require the Debian project to go out and buy various > > bits of proprietary software to build the images with? > > No money will need to be spend. There will surely be people, who > have access to such systems at work. At least VMware also offers > free-as-in-beer variants like vmware server or ESXi. (IIRC) I always thought the player was the only free vmware, but I'm completely out of that space. > I don't see a problem with offering Debian in proprietary virt > formats, it's essentially comparable to the FSF offering builds for > of the GNU userland for proprietary Unixes; to provide people an > initial stepstone to get out of their proprietary mess. It seems bizarre to me that we require packages to build using software in main to be 'debian', but we wouldn't require it for images distributed as being 'debian'. thanks, kk -- Karl Goetz, (Kamping_Kaiser / VK5FOSS) Debian contributor / gNewSense Maintainer http://www.kgoetz.id.au No, I won't join your social networking group signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Providing official virtualisation images of Debian
On Thu, 28 Jul 2011 09:12:02 +0100 Jon Dowland wrote: > On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 11:48:57AM +0930, Karl Goetz wrote: > > It seems bizarre to me that we require packages to build > > using software in main to be 'debian', but we wouldn't > > require it for images distributed as being 'debian'. > > What if DFSG tools to produce the proprietary formats were > available? qemu-img can create vmdk files, for example. While only shipping images built with free/in debian tools would be preferable [1] I wouldn't see a reason to object to distributing vmdk (or $other_proprietary_format) files created by qemu-img along side the raw/other images thanks, kk [1] in the same way that distributing things in .odt is preferable to .doc -- Karl Goetz, (Kamping_Kaiser / VK5FOSS) Debian contributor / gNewSense Maintainer http://www.kgoetz.id.au No, I won't join your social networking group signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Bug#637351: ITP: urfkill -- urfkill is a daemon for the management of the radio killswitches.
On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 23:25:48 +0800 Keng-Yu Lin wrote: > Package: wnpp > Severity: wishlist > Owner: "Keng-Yu Lin" > > * Package name: urfkill > Version : 0.2.0 > Upstream Author : Gary Lin > * URL : http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/urfkill > * License : GPL, LGPL > Programming Lang: C > Description : urfkill is a daemon for the management of the > radio killswitches. > > urfkill daemon handles the configuration of the rfkill-related > function keys and provides the management of the radio killswitches. Hi, How does it differ from rfkill, already in the archive? Perhaps the description could be updated to make this clear. thanks, kk -- Karl Goetz, (Kamping_Kaiser / VK5FOSS) Debian contributor / gNewSense Maintainer http://www.kgoetz.id.au No, I won't join your social networking group signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Bug#638808: ITP: daimonin -- Daimonin is a fantasy MMORPG (Massively Multiplayer Online Role-playing Game) which features a large gameworld with engaging background, and is developing many fun and
On Sun, 21 Aug 2011 20:02:59 -0600 Franklin Barnett <_pers...@live.com> wrote: > Package: wnpp > Severity: wishlist > Owner: Franklin Barnett <_pers...@live.com> > > * Package name: daimonin > Version : 0.10.5 > Upstream Author : Michael Toennies > * URL : http://www.daimonin.org/ > * License : GPL > Programming Lang: C > Description : Daimonin is a fantasy MMORPG (Massively > Multiplayer Online Role-playing Game) which features a large > gameworld with engaging background, and is developing many fun and > unique features. It has a 2D-isometric perspective. Are you planning to package the server or just the client? Will it include the extra data packs? > Daimonin is open-source and accepts user-contributed content such as > maps, music, art, code, and writing. It is currently in its fifth > stable beta stage in which many new features are being added. The file 'Artistic License' in the daimonin_mapmaker package (which includes the server?) makes me worry about the dfsg freeness of some parts. Could you get games team/legal list to offer their thoughts? (Note neither is able to speak on behalf of the project, and ftpmasters say of what gets in is final :)). thanks, kk -- Karl Goetz, (Kamping_Kaiser / VK5FOSS) Debian contributor / gNewSense Maintainer http://www.kgoetz.id.au No, I won't join your social networking group signature.asc Description: PGP signature
