Re: Status of Debian Policy

1997-06-23 Thread Graham C. Hughes
> > "ghughes" == ghughes  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> ghughes> True.  However, it can't handle gzipped pages, and
> ghughes> hacking it to do so seems a) special case (because
> Ermm... on my system it can. lynx 2.7-1 (self compiled).
> netscape also handles it very well. I can't say about others because I
> haven't tried them.

Hmm.  It *does* appear to handle .html.gz; I hadn't thought that had been 
added yet.  My apologies.

The other problem with this still stands, however; links don't work 
because it doesn't look for .html.gz if it can't find .html.

> Apache apparently also lets you dynamically gzip them down the line.
> (The browser has to send the right headers tho). 

Yeah, I figured Apache was capable.  I *think* you can get WN to do 
something like that, too.  Not sure about the others.

> ghughes> As far as *which* window manager, this is something else
> You mean web server?

Doh.  Shows you where my mind has been for the past week...

> Lynx without a webserver will work. But for netscape, etc., we should consider
> adding one.

Yeah.  Alternatively: we could hack dwww to insert references to the 
.html.gz if you ask for the .html.  This would nip everything neatly in 
the bud (except for having the server in the first place).  OTOH, it 
might require some substantial tweaking avoid touching the /usr/doc/ 
directories.
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Re: "Amulet" GUI toolkit

1997-06-27 Thread Graham C. Hughes
> Um, geez.  Did anyone think to actually ask them?  There is every
> possibility they would say "sure, go right ahead".  It never hurts to ask.
> Duh.

Try and remember that permission can be revoked at any time.  This is why 
I prefer the GPL; I can be pretty certain I'm not going to have my feet 
yanked out from under me.

And at any rate, I just mentioned the problem to one of the Amulet 
people; I hope to have an answer soon.
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Re: "Amulet" GUI toolkit

1997-06-27 Thread Graham C. Hughes
 > Amulet is a huge free C++ GUI toolkit. Please see
> http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~amulet . It builds and runs out of the box on Debian.
> Someone please volunteer to package it.

There's a slight problem with that, BTW.  From the Amulet documentation:

Amulet is available for free by anonymous FTP or WWW. ... The only  restriction is that the documentation for Amulet is copyrighted, so  you cannot distribute the Amulet manual or papers without  permission from CMU.

To tell you the truth, I'm not even sure if that lets me download the  docs.

The library proper seems fine, OTOH. --  Graham Hughes <[emailprotected]>	MIME OK, PGP preferred
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Re: "Amulet" GUI toolkit

1997-06-28 Thread Graham C. Hughes
> Someone please package this - I need my time for other stuff.

I'd volunteer *right now*, but I don't understand the package building 
system  yet; I've used deb-make and occasionally gotten tripped up by it 
trying to package scsh.  If a walkthrough was available, I'd certainly 
appreciate it, and it would allow me to package the thing in a reasonable 
amount of time.

I've only done one partially successful Debian package (a local PGP copy 
before I discovered the official one), and it didn't adhere to any 
standards whatsoever.  That doesn't mean I'm not willing to try, tho.
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Amulet toolkit again

1997-06-29 Thread Graham C. Hughes
I've started packaging the toolkit, and while I was looking through the 
docs I discovered this formal legalese stuff.  I don't speak lawyer, nor 
do I know enough about the licenses Debian willingly puts up with to say 
whether this is OK or not.

So is this tolerable?

-- starts --
   1. This License Agreement, effective as of April 1, 1996, is between:
   Carnegie Mellon University having a principal place of business at
   5000 Forbes Avenue, Pittsburgh, PA 15213-3890 (``CMU''); and a company
   (``COMPANY'').
   
   2. CMU owns intellectual property rights to the computer software,
   electronic information and data, in all forms and versions, identified
   as Amulet, described in CMU Docket 96-050 (``Software''), and
   associated documentation (``Document''), collectively (``Program'').
   
   3. CMU grants to COMPANY, upon the terms and conditions set out below,
   a fully-paid, nonexclusive, world-wide, royalty-free, non-revocable,
   commercial license to use the Program, or any portion thereof, for any
   purpose, including, but not limited to, the right to grant sublicenses
   under CMU's patent and trade secret rights, and copyrights, including
   any renewals and extensions, the right to use, copy adapt, prepare
   derivative works of, distribute, sell, lease, or otherwise dispose of,
   reverse engineer, or disassemble the Software, or any portion thereof
   (including all subsequent editions, revisions, supplements, and
   versions thereof), and CMU acknowledges that COMPANY hereby grants no
   reciprocal rights.
   
   4. COMPANY acknowledges that the Program is a research tool still in
   the development stage, that it is being supplied ``as is,'' without
   any accompanying services or improvements from CMU.
   
   5. CMU MAKES NO WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND, EITHER EXPRESSED OR IMPLIED AS
   TO ANY MATTER INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, WARRANTY OF FITNESS FOR
   PURPOSE, OR MERCHANTABILITY, EXCLUSIVITY OR RESULTS OBTAINED FROM
   SPONSOR'S USE OF ANY INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY DEVELOPED UNDER THIS
   AGREEMENT, NOR SHALL EITHER PARTY HERETO BE LIABLE TO THE OTHER FOR
   INDIRECT, SPECIAL, OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES SUCH AS LOSS OF PROFITS OR
   INABILITY TO USE SAID INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY OR ANY APPLICATIONS AND
   DERIVATION THEREOF. CMU DOES NOT MAKE ANY WARRANTY OF ANY KIND WITH
   RESPECT TO FREEDOM FROM PATENT, TRADEMARK, OR COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT,
   OR THEFT OF TRADE SECRETS AND DOES NOT ASSUME ANY LIABILITY HEREUNDER
   FOR ANY INFRINGEMENT OF ANY PATENT, TRADEMARK, OR COPYRIGHT ARISING
   FROM THE USE OF THE PROGRAM, INFORMATION, INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY, OR
   OTHER PROPERTY OR RIGHTS GRANTED OR PROVIDED TO IT HEREUNDER. THE USER
   AGREES THAT IT WILL NOT MAKE ANY WARRANTY ON BEHALF OF CMU, EXPRESSED
   OR IMPLIED, TO ANY PERSON CONCERNING THE APPLICATION OF OR THE RESULTS
   TO BE OBTAINED WITH THE PROGRAM UNDER THIS AGREEMENT.
   
   6. COMPANY hereby agrees to defend, indemnify and hold harmless CMU,
   its trustees, officers, employees, attorneys and agents from all
   claims or demands made against them (and any related losses, expenses
   or costs) arising out of or relating to COMPANY's and/or its
   sublicensees' use of, disposition of, or conduct regarding the
   Licensed Technology and/or Licensed Product including but not limited
   to, any claims of product liability, personal injury (including, but
   not limited to, death) damage to property or violation of any laws or
   regulations including, but not limited to, claims of active or passive
   negligence.
   
   7. COMPANY agrees that it will not make any warranty on behalf of CMU,
   express or implied, to any person concerning the application of or the
   results to be obtained with the Program.
   
   8. Title to copyright to the Program and to Document shall at all
   times remain with CMU, and COMPANY agrees to preserve same. COMPANY
   agrees not to make any copies of the Document except for COMPANY's
   internal use, without prior written consent of CMU. COMPANY agrees to
   place the appropriate copyright notice on any such copies. Nothing
   herein shall be deemed to grant any license or rights in any other
   technology owned by CMU related to the Program.
   
   9. COMPANY owns the rights to derivative works made by or on behalf of
   COMPANY. Nothing herein shall be deemed to grant to CMU, or any other
   party, any license or any rights in any technology owned by COMPANY
   whether or not related to the Program, or any license or any rights to
   COMPANY's products whether or not incorporating any portion of the
   Software, or any portion of any derivative works thereof, and CMU
   acknowledges that CMU has no rights to same.
   
   10. This Agreement shall be construed, interpreted and applied in
   accordance with the laws of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania.
   
   11. Nothing in this Agreement shall be construed as conferring rights
   to use in advertising, publicity or otherwise any trademark or the
   name