Re: So we got caught, so what? But we did the right thing.

2006-04-18 Thread Eldon Koyle
On  Mar 21  8:03-0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
> Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > On 20 Mar 2006, Greg Conner told this:
> 
> >> So we got caught trying to br BYU students.  You guys win that
> >> battle.
> >
> > Interestingly enough:
> >  
> > ,[ http://honorcode.byu.edu/Ecclesiastical_Endorsement.htm ]
> > |  Requirements
> > | 
> > | Whether on or off campus, or between semesters, all students are
> > | expected to abide by the Honor Code, which includes: the Academic
> > | Honesty Policy, the Dress and Grooming Standards, and the Residential
> > | Living Standards. Students are required to be in good Honor Code
> > | Standing to graduate. 
> > `
> 
> As you probably already know, Manoj, Honor Codes like this are not
> meant to be applied as strictly as they claim.
> 
> The strictness is intended to provide only for the exercise of power.
> Gay students at BYU can expect to be expelled instantly, on the
> grounds that the Honor Code knows no flexibility or compassion; and
> then, as we have seen and can expect, lying is tolerated.

Actually, I think BYU takes their honor code very seriously (with the
exception of the football team).  If you were to report such behavior to
the proper person, there would likely be some disciplinary action taken
to match the seriousness of the offense (impersonating someone could be
considered quite serious).  And to be fair, any students involved in
extramarital sexual relations should expect immediate expulsion (if
anyone found out), this is not selectively applied to gay people.

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Re: So we got caught, so what? But we did the right thing.

2006-04-18 Thread Eldon Koyle
On  Apr 18 20:28-0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
> Eldon Koyle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > Actually, I think BYU takes their honor code very seriously (with the
> > exception of the football team).
> 
> What does such an exception mean?  That the honor code isn't really
> taken seriously? 

I was being cynical, I don't know if they really make exceptions for the
football team.  I was alluding to the fact that it could be quite
difficult to keep a football team under the BYU honor code.

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Re: So we got caught, so what? But we did the right thing.

2006-04-18 Thread Eldon Koyle
On  Apr 18 20:27-0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
> So, if a married same-sex couple were students at BYU, that would be
> fine?
> 

BYU is a private, religious school.  The church which runs it will never
acknowledge a same-sex couple as married.  Also, most states do not
recognize same-sex marriages in the first place.  In the belief system
of this religion, said marriages cannot make sense.

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Re: status of jackd? (bug #318098)

2005-08-09 Thread Eldon Koyle
On  Aug 09 21:54+1200, Nigel Jones wrote:
> On 09/08/05, Erik Steffl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >mini rant: what's the point in breaking important packages in
> > unstable for significant periods (e.g. the bug above was filed
> > 2005/07/13)? Isn't experimental more appropriate for stuff like this?
> > Same for udev (requiring linux kernel 2.6.12 which wasn't available for
> > debian) etc. At least explanation and status update would help (the bug
> > does have a vague ETA but no explanation). Unstable is pretty much the
> > only debian version usable for desktop (in general, I guess somebody
> I would _NEVER_ recommend someone install Debian Unstable as a
> desktop...  Testing, yes, Stable even more so.

  Testing seems to be the least secure option.  Now that Sarge is out,
stable is great... but Woody was _so_ out of date, and testing (by its
very nature) lags on security issues... it seemes to me that up until
recently unstable was the best choice for desktops.  Usually, if
something breaks in unstable, you can install it from testing until it
is fixed.

  Maybe I'm missing something?

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Re: hotplug blacklists

2005-09-27 Thread Eldon Koyle
On  Sep 19 18:25+0200, Marco d'Itri wrote:
> On Sep 19, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



> It's arguable how much drivers blacklisting is critical.

  I've had a fair amount of trouble with hotplug loading modules that
cause a kernel panic (esp. on laptops).  In this case, what would you
recommend as a replacement for blacklisting?

> It's uncommon for users to do it, and as long as they read the
> NEWS.Debian email before rebooting nothing bad will happen anyway.

  How many people really read those, anyway? ;)

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