Re: Interesting learnings about Guix contributor dynamics that apply to Debian?
On Sun, May 25, 2025 at 04:41:38PM +0100, Richard Lewis wrote:
i believe i read (sorry again: i used an android phone and accessed a
website that wasnt released as free software to find this information)
that gmail breaks lines because some RFC recommends lines should be less
than some length, and other free software rejcets long lines (doesnt
debian's default exim config do this as well?)
RFC 5321 ("SMTP"):
4.5.3.1.6. Text Line
The maximum total length of a text line including the is 1000
octets (not counting the leading dot duplicated for transparency).
This number may be increased by the use of SMTP Service Extensions.
I believe that exim4's default setting (which can be trivially overriden
in config) is sane here: Don't accept a message that you probably cannot
deliver.
HTH, HAND.
Greetings
Marc
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Re: Interesting learnings about Guix contributor dynamics that apply to Debian?
On Sun, 25 May 2025 17:34:58 +0500, Andrey Rakhmatullin wrote: >(note that it requires /usr/sbin/sendmail by default, though there seem to >be options to use SMTP) The /usr/lib/sendmail interface is dying anyway, it doesn't play well with systemd, and it doesn't play at all with systemd units that use security. Greetings Marc -- Marc Haber | " Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Rhein-Neckar, DE | Beginning of Wisdom " | Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG "Rightful Heir" | Fon: *49 6224 1600402
Re: Interesting learnings about Guix contributor dynamics that apply to Debian?
Holger Levsen writes: > On Sun, May 25, 2025 at 10:56:14AM +0100, Richard Lewis wrote: >> It would be really nice if there was an easy way to link a bug report to a >> MR on salsa >> you can try >> forwaded NN >> https://salsa.debian.org/debian-team/package-name/-/merge_requests/MMM >> but eg gmail will break the long line before the url (we can all say how >> bad gmail is, but that doesnt solve anything) > > indeed, because gmail is not free software, you should really be using > something > else. talking won't help. > > also i'm not convinced we should break our working workflows, because some > non-free > software cannot do email. i apologise for using a non-free email service to interact with debian. as penance i will send this response from emacs using gmane (oh, that;s also non-free software. never mind. feel free to ignore this) i dont understand which "working workflows" would need to be broken? someone could, for example, make the bts support \ to continue a line, that would benefit everyone without breaking anything? i believe i read (sorry again: i used an android phone and accessed a website that wasnt released as free software to find this information) that gmail breaks lines because some RFC recommends lines should be less than some length, and other free software rejcets long lines (doesnt debian's default exim config do this as well?)
Re: Interesting learnings about Guix contributor dynamics that apply to Debian?
Bill Allombert writes: > Le Wed, May 21, 2025 at 08:48:00AM -0700, Otto Kekäläinen a écrit : >> Hi! >> >> I came across this post https://issues.guix.gnu.org/76503 in Guix >> where they discuss how to improve the contributor experience, and in >> particular what technical changes they are doing. >> >> Guix is interesting as they use a clone of Debbugs as their bug >> tracker at https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=guix. > > Yes, but there is issue was not with Debbugs as a bug tracking system, > but Debbugs as a merge-request tracker, something that Debbugs was never > intended to be, and is available in Salsa already. It would be really nice if there was an easy way to link a bug report to a MR on salsa you can try forwaded NN https://salsa.debian.org/debian-team/package-name/-/merge_requests/MMM but eg gmail will break the long line before the url (we can all say how bad gmail is, but that doesnt solve anything)
Re: Interesting learnings about Guix contributor dynamics that apply to Debian?
On Sun, May 25, 2025 at 10:56:14AM +0100, Richard Lewis wrote: It would be really nice if there was an easy way to link a bug report to a MR on salsa you can try forwaded NN https://salsa.debian.org/debian-team/package-name/-/merge_requests/MMM but eg gmail will break the long line before the url (we can all say how bad gmail is, but that doesnt solve anything) (this problem is, of course, not specific to linking bug reports to MRs or anything else that is being discussed here, neither are solutions to it) -- WBR, wRAR signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Interesting learnings about Guix contributor dynamics that apply to Debian?
On Sun, May 25, 2025 at 10:56:14AM +0100, Richard Lewis wrote: > It would be really nice if there was an easy way to link a bug report to a MR > on salsa > you can try > forwaded NN > https://salsa.debian.org/debian-team/package-name/-/merge_requests/MMM > but eg gmail will break the long line before the url (we can all say how > bad gmail is, but that doesnt solve anything) indeed, because gmail is not free software, you should really be using something else. talking won't help. also i'm not convinced we should break our working workflows, because some non-free software cannot do email. sorry. -- cheers, Holger ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ holger@(debian|reproducible-builds|layer-acht).org ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ OpenPGP: B8BF54137B09D35CF026FE9D 091AB856069AAA1C ⠈⠳⣄ We’ve known SARS-CoV-2 reactivates latent viruses and damages immune systems since 2020. We still infected everyone & continue to reinfect everyone. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Interesting learnings about Guix contributor dynamics that apply to Debian?
On Sun, 25 May 2025 10:56:14 +0100, Richard Lewis wrote: >but eg gmail will break the long line before the url (we can all say how >bad gmail is, but that doesnt solve anything) Gmail is completely unsuitable for Debian work, and that's not Debian's fault. -- Marc Haber | " Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Rhein-Neckar, DE | Beginning of Wisdom " | Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG "Rightful Heir" | Fon: *49 6224 1600402
Re: Interesting learnings about Guix contributor dynamics that apply to Debian?
On Sun, May 25, 2025 at 10:56:14AM +0100, Richard Lewis wrote: It would be really nice if there was an easy way to link a bug report to a MR on salsa you can try forwaded NN https://salsa.debian.org/debian-team/package-name/-/merge_requests/MMM but eg gmail will break the long line before the url (we can all say how bad gmail is, but that doesnt solve anything) You can use the bts(1) command for that sort of thing. -- Colin Watson (he/him) [cjwat...@debian.org]
Re: Interesting learnings about Guix contributor dynamics that apply to Debian?
On Sun, May 25, 2025 at 01:02:25PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: It would be really nice if there was an easy way to link a bug report to a MR on salsa you can try forwaded NN https://salsa.debian.org/debian-team/package-name/-/merge_requests/MMM but eg gmail will break the long line before the url (we can all say how bad gmail is, but that doesnt solve anything) You can use the bts(1) command for that sort of thing. (note that it requires /usr/sbin/sendmail by default, though there seem to be options to use SMTP) -- WBR, wRAR signature.asc Description: PGP signature
