Re: proposed MBF: packages still using source format 1.0
]] Matthew Vernon > Andrey Rahmatullin writes: > > > On Tue, Mar 15, 2022 at 08:54:50AM +, Matthew Vernon wrote: > >> It's probably unfashionable, but I think debian/patches is not a great > >> way to manage changes, particularly if you're using a VCS for > >> maintaining your packages. As others have pointed out in this thread, > >> doing this means you end up essentially trying to version-control your > >> patches twice - once in the source package, and once in the VCS. > > That's just a consequence of using two different storage formats for your > > packages: a Debian source package and a VCS. As long as both of them are > > widely > > used and incompatible, problems will exist in some form when using both. > > By e.g. merging all patches in the Debian source package into one big diff > > you are just breaking one of these two storage formats for that package, > > essentially mandating the usage of the other one (the VCS) for most of the > > developer operations with it. > > I'm not sure that's entirely true; but even if it were, is that an > entirely unreasonable position for a package maintainer (or team > thereof) to take? My problem with it is that we're then saying that we're not shipping the source (as in, preferred form for modification). This might be ok, but then we should make sure that the «actual» source is available elsewhere, which means it needs to be somewhere we manage, and treat source packages as generated artifacts that can't be turned back into the actual source. -- Tollef Fog Heen UNIX is user friendly, it's just picky about who its friends are
Open Letter to Debian election candidates about Debian vendettas
Felix, Hideki, Jonathan You all nominated as candidates in the Debian election In August 2018 I publicly resigned from mentoring the Google Summer of Code internships. My resignation email[1] was written diplomatically and did not contain any hints about the intern relationships and other problems in Debian. Over four years since my polite resignation, rogue volunteers associated with Debian have been making attacks through emails and web sites that are causing harm to reputations, families, careers of both volunteers and interns, past and present. This culture of attacks was cultivated by a series of emails sent from the leadership role in 2018 when Chris Lamb occupied that position. No subsequent leader has shown any remorse or contrition for the way Lamb misused this position. Other volunteers, for example, Dr Norbert Preining, have resigned[2] in disgust at the same culture crisis in Debian. The recent legal verdict against Red Hat, Inc has explicitly stated that overbearing and controlling tendencies of people in leadership roles amounts to harassment[3]. As a leader, can you identify anything that is more important than stopping, retracting and apologizing for these vendettas that were born out of the leadership post you hope to occupy? Will you publicly denounce the culture of denouncing people? Does anybody else support an end to hostilities in Debian? Regards, Daniel 1. https://lists.debian.org/debian-outreach/2018/08/msg00108.html 2. https://itwire.com/open-source/debian-developer-demoted,-quits-after-two-decades-with-project.html 3. https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/16/red_hat_fedotra/
Re: Open Letter to Debian election candidates about Debian vendettas
> Does anybody else support an end to hostilities in Debian? I'm not a leader, but I hope these tragedies end على 3/19/2022 2:28 AM، كتب Daniel Pocock: Felix, Hideki, Jonathan You all nominated as candidates in the Debian election In August 2018 I publicly resigned from mentoring the Google Summer of Code internships. My resignation email[1] was written diplomatically and did not contain any hints about the intern relationships and other problems in Debian. Over four years since my polite resignation, rogue volunteers associated with Debian have been making attacks through emails and web sites that are causing harm to reputations, families, careers of both volunteers and interns, past and present. This culture of attacks was cultivated by a series of emails sent from the leadership role in 2018 when Chris Lamb occupied that position. No subsequent leader has shown any remorse or contrition for the way Lamb misused this position. Other volunteers, for example, Dr Norbert Preining, have resigned[2] in disgust at the same culture crisis in Debian. The recent legal verdict against Red Hat, Inc has explicitly stated that overbearing and controlling tendencies of people in leadership roles amounts to harassment[3]. As a leader, can you identify anything that is more important than stopping, retracting and apologizing for these vendettas that were born out of the leadership post you hope to occupy? Will you publicly denounce the culture of denouncing people? Does anybody else support an end to hostilities in Debian? Regards, Daniel 1. https://lists.debian.org/debian-outreach/2018/08/msg00108.html 2. https://itwire.com/open-source/debian-developer-demoted,-quits-after-two-decades-with-project.html 3. https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/16/red_hat_fedotra/
Re: Open Letter to Debian election candidates about Debian vendettas
Daniel, you have been kicked out and consequently banned entirely from the project due to your behaviour and continued poor behaviour. You are not welcome or allowed in Debian, which includes our mailing lists, other communication channels or in-person events. And we will certainly not apologise to you for the harassment that you have caused to our project members and volunteers. For anyone else, our public statement remains at: https://www.debian.org/News/2021/2027 -Jonathan On 2022/03/19 11:28, Daniel Pocock wrote: Felix, Hideki, Jonathan You all nominated as candidates in the Debian election In August 2018 I publicly resigned from mentoring the Google Summer of Code internships. My resignation email[1] was written diplomatically and did not contain any hints about the intern relationships and other problems in Debian. Over four years since my polite resignation, rogue volunteers associated with Debian have been making attacks through emails and web sites that are causing harm to reputations, families, careers of both volunteers and interns, past and present. This culture of attacks was cultivated by a series of emails sent from the leadership role in 2018 when Chris Lamb occupied that position. No subsequent leader has shown any remorse or contrition for the way Lamb misused this position. Other volunteers, for example, Dr Norbert Preining, have resigned[2] in disgust at the same culture crisis in Debian. The recent legal verdict against Red Hat, Inc has explicitly stated that overbearing and controlling tendencies of people in leadership roles amounts to harassment[3]. As a leader, can you identify anything that is more important than stopping, retracting and apologizing for these vendettas that were born out of the leadership post you hope to occupy? Will you publicly denounce the culture of denouncing people? Does anybody else support an end to hostilities in Debian? Regards, Daniel 1. https://lists.debian.org/debian-outreach/2018/08/msg00108.html 2. https://itwire.com/open-source/debian-developer-demoted,-quits-after-two-decades-with-project.html 3. https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/16/red_hat_fedotra/
Re: Open Letter to Debian election candidates about Debian vendettas
Hi Everyone On 2022/03/19 12:36, Jonathan Carter wrote: ... Apparently I missed some header abuse in the original mail (used to work around being banned from this list and mislead recipients to believing that it arrived via the list). So, yes I fell for it, sorry for bringing some of that noise to the list, and be on the lookout for similar attacks. thanks, -Jonathan
Re: Re: No mips64el porterbox?
Quoting Julien Pudyt > Le mardi 01 mars 2022 à 10:34 +0100, Sebastiaan Couwenberg a écrit : >> On 3/1/22 10:28, Julien Puydt wrote: >> > Is there really no mips64el porterbox, or is it only a transitory >> > situation? >> >> eller.debian.org has mips64el chroots. >> > How do I use one of those and not a mipsel one? I'm using > https://dsa.debian.org/doc/schroot/ as usual, and it looks like I'm > getting a mipsel and not mips64el... Just in case this helps, I use this very helpful script from Enrico Zini, you can find it here[1] So for mips64el, just do $ debug-on-porterbox mips64el --host eller.debian.org And voila ... [1]: https://salsa.debian.org/enrico/debug-on-porterbox Regards, Nilesh signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Re: No mips64el porterbox?
On Sat, Mar 19, 2022 at 4:40 PM Nilesh Patra wrote: > Quoting Julien Pudyt > > Le mardi 01 mars 2022 à 10:34 +0100, Sebastiaan Couwenberg a écrit : > >> On 3/1/22 10:28, Julien Puydt wrote: > >> > Is there really no mips64el porterbox, or is it only a transitory > >> > situation? > >> > >> eller.debian.org has mips64el chroots. > >> > > > How do I use one of those and not a mipsel one? I'm using > > https://dsa.debian.org/doc/schroot/ as usual, and it looks like I'm > > getting a mipsel and not mips64el... > > Just in case this helps, I use this very helpful script from Enrico Zini, > you can find it here[1] > > So for mips64el, just do > > $ debug-on-porterbox mips64el --host eller.debian.org Already documented here (since 2021-01), with a link to Enrico's blog post: https://wiki.debian.org/PorterBoxHowToUse
Re: Open Letter to Debian election candidates about Debian vendettas
Felix, Hideki, Jonathan, The message was sent to you all as candidates and you can each answer for yourself Jonathan Carter's attempt to obstruct it in his capacity as outgoing leader is an abuse of the role of DPL. It is even worse because he is a candidate. You each have the right to answer for yourself. Jonathan is from South Africa. His response admits that he has brought Apartheid tactics to Debian. Banning people is straight out of the Apartheid playbook, that is fact: https://www.sahistory.org.za/article/list-people-banned-under-apartheid Regards, Daniel On 19/03/2022 11:36, Jonathan Carter wrote: > Daniel, you have been kicked out and consequently banned entirely from > the project due to your behaviour and continued poor behaviour. You are > not welcome or allowed in Debian, which includes our mailing lists, > other communication channels or in-person events. And we will certainly > not apologise to you for the harassment that you have caused to our > project members and volunteers. > > For anyone else, our public statement remains at: > > https://www.debian.org/News/2021/2027 > > -Jonathan > > On 2022/03/19 11:28, Daniel Pocock wrote: >> >> Felix, Hideki, Jonathan >> >> You all nominated as candidates in the Debian election >> >> In August 2018 I publicly resigned from mentoring the Google Summer of >> Code internships. My resignation email[1] was written diplomatically >> and did not contain any hints about the intern relationships and other >> problems in Debian. >> >> Over four years since my polite resignation, rogue volunteers associated >> with Debian have been making attacks through emails and web sites that >> are causing harm to reputations, families, careers of both volunteers >> and interns, past and present. >> >> This culture of attacks was cultivated by a series of emails sent from >> the leadership role in 2018 when Chris Lamb occupied that position. No >> subsequent leader has shown any remorse or contrition for the way Lamb >> misused this position. >> >> Other volunteers, for example, Dr Norbert Preining, have resigned[2] in >> disgust at the same culture crisis in Debian. >> >> The recent legal verdict against Red Hat, Inc has explicitly stated that >> overbearing and controlling tendencies of people in leadership roles >> amounts to harassment[3]. >> >> As a leader, can you identify anything that is more important than >> stopping, retracting and apologizing for these vendettas that were born >> out of the leadership post you hope to occupy? >> >> Will you publicly denounce the culture of denouncing people? >> >> Does anybody else support an end to hostilities in Debian? >> >> Regards, >> >> Daniel >> >> 1. https://lists.debian.org/debian-outreach/2018/08/msg00108.html >> 2. >> https://itwire.com/open-source/debian-developer-demoted,-quits-after-two-decades-with-project.html >> >> 3. https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/16/red_hat_fedotra/ > -- Debian Developer https://danielpocock.com
Re: Open Letter to Debian election candidates about Debian vendettas
Daniel, please refrain from sending any further email to mar...@fsfe.org Thank you
Re: Open Letter to Debian election candidates about Debian vendettas
Speaking only for myself - let's keep drama compartmentalized and not bring Debian's into GSoC. Don't take me wrong, I love Debian, but this doesn't help anybody. Carlos On Sat, Mar 19, 2022, 10:26 Daniel Pocock wrote: > > Felix, Hideki, Jonathan, > > The message was sent to you all as candidates and you can each answer > for yourself > > Jonathan Carter's attempt to obstruct it in his capacity as outgoing > leader is an abuse of the role of DPL. It is even worse because he is a > candidate. You each have the right to answer for yourself. > > Jonathan is from South Africa. His response admits that he has brought > Apartheid tactics to Debian. Banning people is straight out of the > Apartheid playbook, that is fact: > > https://www.sahistory.org.za/article/list-people-banned-under-apartheid > > Regards, > > Daniel > > > On 19/03/2022 11:36, Jonathan Carter wrote: > > Daniel, you have been kicked out and consequently banned entirely from > > the project due to your behaviour and continued poor behaviour. You are > > not welcome or allowed in Debian, which includes our mailing lists, > > other communication channels or in-person events. And we will certainly > > not apologise to you for the harassment that you have caused to our > > project members and volunteers. > > > > For anyone else, our public statement remains at: > > > > https://www.debian.org/News/2021/2027 > > > > -Jonathan > > > > On 2022/03/19 11:28, Daniel Pocock wrote: > >> > >> Felix, Hideki, Jonathan > >> > >> You all nominated as candidates in the Debian election > >> > >> In August 2018 I publicly resigned from mentoring the Google Summer of > >> Code internships. My resignation email[1] was written diplomatically > >> and did not contain any hints about the intern relationships and other > >> problems in Debian. > >> > >> Over four years since my polite resignation, rogue volunteers associated > >> with Debian have been making attacks through emails and web sites that > >> are causing harm to reputations, families, careers of both volunteers > >> and interns, past and present. > >> > >> This culture of attacks was cultivated by a series of emails sent from > >> the leadership role in 2018 when Chris Lamb occupied that position. No > >> subsequent leader has shown any remorse or contrition for the way Lamb > >> misused this position. > >> > >> Other volunteers, for example, Dr Norbert Preining, have resigned[2] in > >> disgust at the same culture crisis in Debian. > >> > >> The recent legal verdict against Red Hat, Inc has explicitly stated that > >> overbearing and controlling tendencies of people in leadership roles > >> amounts to harassment[3]. > >> > >> As a leader, can you identify anything that is more important than > >> stopping, retracting and apologizing for these vendettas that were born > >> out of the leadership post you hope to occupy? > >> > >> Will you publicly denounce the culture of denouncing people? > >> > >> Does anybody else support an end to hostilities in Debian? > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> Daniel > >> > >> 1. https://lists.debian.org/debian-outreach/2018/08/msg00108.html > >> 2. > >> > https://itwire.com/open-source/debian-developer-demoted,-quits-after-two-decades-with-project.html > >> > >> 3. https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/16/red_hat_fedotra/ > > > > -- > Debian Developer > https://danielpocock.com >
Re: Open Letter to Debian election candidates about Debian vendettas
Hi Dominik On 2022/03/19 20:04, Dominik George wrote: I ask to finally ban Pocock from all Debian lists (and other communication channels). The last statement here is upright racist, and although there has been more than enough reason to get rid of him, this must be the last thing he ever did within the realms of Debian. Please do not tolerate this person any longer. I don't think you got that original mail from the list, it's Daniel sending mails to a large amount of people and forging some headers to make it look like it's coming from debian-devel, and then when people reply-to, they inadvertently send the content to debian-devel themselves. He's already banned from all the Debian lists, this is just a new way he's discovered of being abusive. -Jonathan
Re: Open Letter to Debian election candidates about Debian vendettas
Hi, I am not subscribed to any Debian lists, I do not do Debian development, and I have zero context on any of this. The fact that you're sending this email to people not on the list in a way that's not obvious seems rather suspect and does not appear to be in good faith. Please take your drama elsewhere. Thanks, -Manish On Sat, Mar 19, 2022, 2:29 AM Daniel Pocock wrote: > > Felix, Hideki, Jonathan > > You all nominated as candidates in the Debian election > > In August 2018 I publicly resigned from mentoring the Google Summer of > Code internships. My resignation email[1] was written diplomatically > and did not contain any hints about the intern relationships and other > problems in Debian. > > Over four years since my polite resignation, rogue volunteers associated > with Debian have been making attacks through emails and web sites that > are causing harm to reputations, families, careers of both volunteers > and interns, past and present. > > This culture of attacks was cultivated by a series of emails sent from > the leadership role in 2018 when Chris Lamb occupied that position. No > subsequent leader has shown any remorse or contrition for the way Lamb > misused this position. > > Other volunteers, for example, Dr Norbert Preining, have resigned[2] in > disgust at the same culture crisis in Debian. > > The recent legal verdict against Red Hat, Inc has explicitly stated that > overbearing and controlling tendencies of people in leadership roles > amounts to harassment[3]. > > As a leader, can you identify anything that is more important than > stopping, retracting and apologizing for these vendettas that were born > out of the leadership post you hope to occupy? > > Will you publicly denounce the culture of denouncing people? > > Does anybody else support an end to hostilities in Debian? > > Regards, > > Daniel > > 1. https://lists.debian.org/debian-outreach/2018/08/msg00108.html > 2. > > https://itwire.com/open-source/debian-developer-demoted,-quits-after-two-decades-with-project.html > 3. https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/16/red_hat_fedotra/ >
Re: Open Letter to Debian election candidates about Debian vendettas
On Sat, Mar 19, 2022 at 07:04:23PM +0100, Dominik George wrote: > I ask to finally ban Pocock from all Debian lists (and other > communication channels). Daniel Pocock has for a long time been banned from all Debian lists and communication channels: he is "[..] banned from participating in the Debian community in any form, including through technical contributions, participating in online spaces, or attending conferences and/or events. He has no right or standing to represent Debian in any capacity, or to represent himself as a Debian Developer or member of the Debian community." [1] The email you received was not sent using Debian lists: if you look at Received headers, you will notice that the list headers were forged, and recipient were spammed directly from Pocock's mail server, as part of his campaign to harass our community, along with many other communities from which he has also been banned. [1] https://www.debian.org/News/2021/2027 Enrico -- GPG key: 4096R/634F4BD1E7AD5568 2009-05-08 Enrico Zini
Re: Open Letter to Debian election candidates about Debian vendettas
Daniel, I have no idea why you continue to send emails to me but you will take me off this list, you sexual harasser. I'm tired of your harassment of everyone in every FOSS community. Eric On Sat, Mar 19, 2022 at 4:28 AM Daniel Pocock wrote: > > Felix, Hideki, Jonathan > > You all nominated as candidates in the Debian election > > In August 2018 I publicly resigned from mentoring the Google Summer of > Code internships. My resignation email[1] was written diplomatically > and did not contain any hints about the intern relationships and other > problems in Debian. > > Over four years since my polite resignation, rogue volunteers associated > with Debian have been making attacks through emails and web sites that > are causing harm to reputations, families, careers of both volunteers > and interns, past and present. > > This culture of attacks was cultivated by a series of emails sent from > the leadership role in 2018 when Chris Lamb occupied that position. No > subsequent leader has shown any remorse or contrition for the way Lamb > misused this position. > > Other volunteers, for example, Dr Norbert Preining, have resigned[2] in > disgust at the same culture crisis in Debian. > > The recent legal verdict against Red Hat, Inc has explicitly stated that > overbearing and controlling tendencies of people in leadership roles > amounts to harassment[3]. > > As a leader, can you identify anything that is more important than > stopping, retracting and apologizing for these vendettas that were born > out of the leadership post you hope to occupy? > > Will you publicly denounce the culture of denouncing people? > > Does anybody else support an end to hostilities in Debian? > > Regards, > > Daniel > > 1. https://lists.debian.org/debian-outreach/2018/08/msg00108.html > 2. > > https://itwire.com/open-source/debian-developer-demoted,-quits-after-two-decades-with-project.html > 3. https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/16/red_hat_fedotra/ > -- Eric Schultz, Developer and FOSS Advocate wwahammy.com e...@wwahammy.com @wwahammy Pronouns: He/his/him
Re: How to get rid of unused packages (Was: proposed MBF: packages still using source format 1.0)
Hi Andreas, hi all, [I'm not subscribed to d-d, the long discussions on d-p are enough for my inbox ;-), so please address me directly if I should read your reply] Am 16.03.22 um 14:11 schrieb Andreas Tille: I'm not sure whether there are any PalmPilot devices out there. At Yes, there are still such devices out there. least the actual *votes* in popcon[1] is down to zero now. The package I would not trust popcorn at all. It is disabled at installation by default and even I does not use it. There is no *real* data base for package usage out there IMO. Even if we would have real usage count, IMO it should not be a rule to keep a package or remove it. We already have mechanism to exclude packages with serious issue from releases. For packages that are not part of one or several releases, we could ask the maintainer to fix or remove, that would be fair. was not uploaded by its maintainer for >10 years. Yes, because upstream development was finished and packaging was working so far. No need for new uploads IMO. It received an NMU by Adrian Bunk (in CC as well): I thanked Adrian for stepping in, but had in on my list, too. (Low prio, because I didn't see the "serious" on this "policy issue") Do we have any means to get rid of packages that should be rather removed from the distribution than draining resources. If the package was not part of one or two releases and maintainer (or any other dev) have no interest to fix it, I would agree. If you use the popcorn count to decide this I would strongly disagree. Best regards, Erik
Re: Open Letter to Debian election candidates about Debian vendettas
I have clicked unsubscribe many times. Daniel, you are a deeply disturbed human being. Please stop sending me emails. I hope you find the help you need. Skickat från min iPhone > 19 mars 2022 kl. 18:28 skrev Daniel Pocock : > > > Felix, Hideki, Jonathan, > > The message was sent to you all as candidates and you can each answer > for yourself > > Jonathan Carter's attempt to obstruct it in his capacity as outgoing > leader is an abuse of the role of DPL. It is even worse because he is a > candidate. You each have the right to answer for yourself. > > Jonathan is from South Africa. His response admits that he has brought > Apartheid tactics to Debian. Banning people is straight out of the > Apartheid playbook, that is fact: > > https://www.sahistory.org.za/article/list-people-banned-under-apartheid > > Regards, > > Daniel > > >> On 19/03/2022 11:36, Jonathan Carter wrote: >> Daniel, you have been kicked out and consequently banned entirely from >> the project due to your behaviour and continued poor behaviour. You are >> not welcome or allowed in Debian, which includes our mailing lists, >> other communication channels or in-person events. And we will certainly >> not apologise to you for the harassment that you have caused to our >> project members and volunteers. >> >> For anyone else, our public statement remains at: >> >> https://www.debian.org/News/2021/2027 >> >> -Jonathan >> >>> On 2022/03/19 11:28, Daniel Pocock wrote: >>> >>> Felix, Hideki, Jonathan >>> >>> You all nominated as candidates in the Debian election >>> >>> In August 2018 I publicly resigned from mentoring the Google Summer of >>> Code internships. My resignation email[1] was written diplomatically >>> and did not contain any hints about the intern relationships and other >>> problems in Debian. >>> >>> Over four years since my polite resignation, rogue volunteers associated >>> with Debian have been making attacks through emails and web sites that >>> are causing harm to reputations, families, careers of both volunteers >>> and interns, past and present. >>> >>> This culture of attacks was cultivated by a series of emails sent from >>> the leadership role in 2018 when Chris Lamb occupied that position. No >>> subsequent leader has shown any remorse or contrition for the way Lamb >>> misused this position. >>> >>> Other volunteers, for example, Dr Norbert Preining, have resigned[2] in >>> disgust at the same culture crisis in Debian. >>> >>> The recent legal verdict against Red Hat, Inc has explicitly stated that >>> overbearing and controlling tendencies of people in leadership roles >>> amounts to harassment[3]. >>> >>> As a leader, can you identify anything that is more important than >>> stopping, retracting and apologizing for these vendettas that were born >>> out of the leadership post you hope to occupy? >>> >>> Will you publicly denounce the culture of denouncing people? >>> >>> Does anybody else support an end to hostilities in Debian? >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Daniel >>> >>> 1. https://lists.debian.org/debian-outreach/2018/08/msg00108.html >>> 2. >>> https://itwire.com/open-source/debian-developer-demoted,-quits-after-two-decades-with-project.html >>> >>> 3. https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/16/red_hat_fedotra/ >> > > -- > Debian Developer > https://danielpocock.com
Bug#1007988: ITP: golang-github-iglou-eu-go-wildcard -- Fast and light wildcard pattern matching
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Francisco Vilmar Cardoso Ruviaro X-Debbugs-Cc: debian-devel@lists.debian.org, debian...@lists.debian.org, vil...@debian.org, adr...@iglou.eu * Package name: golang-github-iglou-eu-go-wildcard Version : 1.0.3 Upstream Author : Adrien Kara * URL : https://github.com/IGLOU-EU/go-wildcard * License : Apache-2.0 Programming Lang: Go Description : Fast and light wildcard pattern matching Two function are available MatchSimple and Match. * MatchSimple only covert * usage (he is a bit faster) * Match support full wildcard matching, * and ? I intend to maintain it with the Go Packaging Team. golang-github-iglou-eu-go-wildcard-dev is a build-dep for duf.
Re: Open Letter to Debian election candidates about Debian vendettas
Seriously don't know why I'm on this list, I run OpenCV and we're just focused on finding other places in Europe for our Russians and Ukrainians to work. People fight (as we see, there and here) and people maximally accuse -- one doesn't just have a different opinion or lack cultural fit, one embodies the spirt of Satan. And... some people are indeed evil. I don't know what the case is here -- but I like and use Debian. Wish you efficiency and success in sorting this out in a minimally contentious way. Think long term -- we have people who were on a short vacation and are probably never returning home. On Sat, Mar 19, 2022 at 10:26 AM Daniel Pocock wrote: > > Felix, Hideki, Jonathan, > > The message was sent to you all as candidates and you can each answer > for yourself > > Jonathan Carter's attempt to obstruct it in his capacity as outgoing > leader is an abuse of the role of DPL. It is even worse because he is a > candidate. You each have the right to answer for yourself. > > Jonathan is from South Africa. His response admits that he has brought > Apartheid tactics to Debian. Banning people is straight out of the > Apartheid playbook, that is fact: > > https://www.sahistory.org.za/article/list-people-banned-under-apartheid > > Regards, > > Daniel > > > On 19/03/2022 11:36, Jonathan Carter wrote: > > Daniel, you have been kicked out and consequently banned entirely from > > the project due to your behaviour and continued poor behaviour. You are > > not welcome or allowed in Debian, which includes our mailing lists, > > other communication channels or in-person events. And we will certainly > > not apologise to you for the harassment that you have caused to our > > project members and volunteers. > > > > For anyone else, our public statement remains at: > > > > https://www.debian.org/News/2021/2027 > > > > -Jonathan > > > > On 2022/03/19 11:28, Daniel Pocock wrote: > >> > >> Felix, Hideki, Jonathan > >> > >> You all nominated as candidates in the Debian election > >> > >> In August 2018 I publicly resigned from mentoring the Google Summer of > >> Code internships. My resignation email[1] was written diplomatically > >> and did not contain any hints about the intern relationships and other > >> problems in Debian. > >> > >> Over four years since my polite resignation, rogue volunteers associated > >> with Debian have been making attacks through emails and web sites that > >> are causing harm to reputations, families, careers of both volunteers > >> and interns, past and present. > >> > >> This culture of attacks was cultivated by a series of emails sent from > >> the leadership role in 2018 when Chris Lamb occupied that position. No > >> subsequent leader has shown any remorse or contrition for the way Lamb > >> misused this position. > >> > >> Other volunteers, for example, Dr Norbert Preining, have resigned[2] in > >> disgust at the same culture crisis in Debian. > >> > >> The recent legal verdict against Red Hat, Inc has explicitly stated that > >> overbearing and controlling tendencies of people in leadership roles > >> amounts to harassment[3]. > >> > >> As a leader, can you identify anything that is more important than > >> stopping, retracting and apologizing for these vendettas that were born > >> out of the leadership post you hope to occupy? > >> > >> Will you publicly denounce the culture of denouncing people? > >> > >> Does anybody else support an end to hostilities in Debian? > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> Daniel > >> > >> 1. https://lists.debian.org/debian-outreach/2018/08/msg00108.html > >> 2. > >> > https://itwire.com/open-source/debian-developer-demoted,-quits-after-two-decades-with-project.html > >> > >> 3. https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/16/red_hat_fedotra/ > > > > -- > Debian Developer > https://danielpocock.com >
Re: Open Letter to Debian election candidates about Debian vendettas
Daniel Pocock dixit: [ nōnsense ] For all those who also got this eMail despite not being directly subscribed to d-devel, apparently, “Software Freedom Institute SA” is Pocock (didn’t someone ask for Init7 to do something about him?) and blocking 195.8.117.0/24 and 2001:67c:1388::/48 in your firewall before your mailserver may be prudent. bye, //mirabilos -- I believe no one can invent an algorithm. One just happens to hit upon it when God enlightens him. Or only God invents algorithms, we merely copy them. If you don't believe in God, just consider God as Nature if you won't deny existence. -- Coywolf Qi Hunt
