Re: Installer of Debian Stable allows to use btrfs for /, does it mean it's mature enough to use safely?
On Sat, 09 Jul 2016 03:55:31 +0200, german...@ya.ru wrote: >But if btrfs is so unstable, then what the hell it's doing in Debian Stable's >kernel? Because people might want to try it. Grüße Marc -- -- !! No courtesy copies, please !! - Marc Haber | " Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Mannheim, Germany | Beginning of Wisdom " | http://www.zugschlus.de/ Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG "Rightful Heir" | Fon: *49 621 72739834
Replacing web assets with symlinks to packaged versions
Hello, as upstream of https://github.com/spanezz/staticsite I want it so that when people git clone it or open a tarball of it, it just works, with no need of installing twitter bootstrap in example/theme manually. As Debian packager of it, I want twitter bootstrap in example/theme to be symlinks to what's in libjs-twitter-bootstrap. As both, I do not want to have to build two tarballs or something weird like that. We already use fakeroot to tweak the view of the file system when building packages. How about a similar trick for web assets? Could we have another LD_PRELOAD hack that replaced instances of jquery.min.js to symlinks to libjs-jquery contents? I drafted a proof of concept here, as a FUSE file system, because it was easy to do by tweaking a passthrough FUSE filesystem example: https://github.com/spanezz/debassets Could someone pick this up and turn it into something that integrated well with our toolchain, so that I can turn my staticsite tarballs into Debian packages with minimal effort, and so could everyone else[1]? Enrico [1] Alternatively, could someone package staticsite for me, and I can stop worrying about this? :) -- GPG key: 4096R/634F4BD1E7AD5568 2009-05-08 Enrico Zini signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Replacing web assets with symlinks to packaged versions
On Jul 09, Enrico Zini wrote: > Could we have another LD_PRELOAD hack that replaced instances of > jquery.min.js to symlinks to libjs-jquery contents? Probably not, because some upstream maintainer will want to depend on a specific release of the library. -- ciao, Marco signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Replacing web assets with symlinks to packaged versions
Enrico Zini writes ("Replacing web assets with symlinks to packaged versions"):
> as upstream of https://github.com/spanezz/staticsite I want it so that
> when people git clone it or open a tarball of it, it just works,
> with no need of installing twitter bootstrap in example/theme manually.
>
> As Debian packager of it, I want twitter bootstrap in example/theme to
> be symlinks to what's in libjs-twitter-bootstrap.
As I understand it, your problem is that:
* Upstream wants the upstream tarball to contain a copy of bootstrap
* Debian wants the copy of bootstrap removed from the source package
* But none of our source formats can replace files with symlinks ?
?
Otherwise you could just have a script or utility or something which
you would run during "import new upstream version", and which would
sort out the symlinks.
> Could someone pick this up and turn it into something that integrated
> well with our toolchain, so that I can turn my staticsite tarballs into
> Debian packages with minimal effort, and so could everyone else[1]?
If I am right, in my suppositions above, then part of your underlying
problem is the one I was talking about in my "faithful source format"
RFH...
But perhaps an easier answer would be to do the symlink replacement on
installation-to-staging-directory.
I feel I haven't really understood why you need LD_PRELOAD or FUSE.
Ian.
Re: Replacing web assets with symlinks to packaged versions
On 2016, ജൂലൈ 9 6:02:12 PM IST, Enrico Zini wrote: >Hello, > >as upstream of https://github.com/spanezz/staticsite I want it so that >when people git clone it or open a tarball of it, it just works, >with no need of installing twitter bootstrap in example/theme manually. > >As Debian packager of it, I want twitter bootstrap in example/theme to >be symlinks to what's in libjs-twitter-bootstrap. You just add a links file in your package to replace the js to symlinks. And add dependency on the js package. That's all you'll need. -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
Re: Replacing web assets with symlinks to packaged versions
On Sat, Jul 09, 2016 at 02:32:12PM +0200, Enrico Zini wrote: > as upstream of https://github.com/spanezz/staticsite Hm, it seems you didn't like ikiwiki because of the template system it uses. But there's a huge number of plugins for ikiwiki (which may also explain why it's slower than staticsite). Wouldn't it be an idea to add Jinja2 support to ikiwiki? -- Met vriendelijke groet / with kind regards, Guus Sliepen signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Replacing web assets with symlinks to packaged versions
On ശനി 09 ജൂലൈ 2016 07:01 വൈകു, Pirate Praveen wrote: > > > On 2016, ജൂലൈ 9 6:02:12 PM IST, Enrico Zini wrote: >> Hello, >> >> as upstream of https://github.com/spanezz/staticsite I want it so that >> when people git clone it or open a tarball of it, it just works, >> with no need of installing twitter bootstrap in example/theme manually. >> >> As Debian packager of it, I want twitter bootstrap in example/theme to >> be symlinks to what's in libjs-twitter-bootstrap. > > You just add a links file in your package to replace the js to symlinks. And > add dependency on the js package. > > That's all you'll need. > That involves repackaging right? I think he is trying to do it without making multiple tarballs. -- Balasankar C http://balasankarc.in
Re: Replacing web assets with symlinks to packaged versions
On Sat, Jul 09, 2016 at 07:29:47PM +0530, Balasankar C wrote: > >> as upstream of https://github.com/spanezz/staticsite I want it so that > >> when people git clone it or open a tarball of it, it just works, > >> with no need of installing twitter bootstrap in example/theme manually. > >> > >> As Debian packager of it, I want twitter bootstrap in example/theme to > >> be symlinks to what's in libjs-twitter-bootstrap. > > > > You just add a links file in your package to replace the js to symlinks. > > And add dependency on the js package. > > That involves repackaging right? I think he is trying to do it without making > multiple tarballs. If you have a watch file, you can download new upstream tarballs with the uscan tool. You can list the files you want automatically removed from that tarball before it's turned into a .orig.tar.gz in debian/copyright (see the uscan manpage). So there is no need to manually repackage it. -- Met vriendelijke groet / with kind regards, Guus Sliepen signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Replacing web assets with symlinks to packaged versions
On 2016, ജൂലൈ 9 7:29:47 PM IST, Balasankar C wrote: >On ശനി 09 ജൂലൈ 2016 07:01 വൈകു, Pirate Praveen wrote: >> >> >> On 2016, ജൂലൈ 9 6:02:12 PM IST, Enrico Zini >wrote: >>> Hello, >>> >>> as upstream of https://github.com/spanezz/staticsite I want it so >that >>> when people git clone it or open a tarball of it, it just works, >>> with no need of installing twitter bootstrap in example/theme >manually. >>> >>> As Debian packager of it, I want twitter bootstrap in example/theme >to >>> be symlinks to what's in libjs-twitter-bootstrap. >> >> You just add a links file in your package to replace the js to >symlinks. And add dependency on the js package. >> >> That's all you'll need. >> > >That involves repackaging right? I think he is trying to do it without >making >multiple tarballs. No, it does need repackaging. It will just replace the js files with symlinks when building the package. Repackaging is required only if the js is minified. -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
Bug#830570: ITP: python-django-ordered-model -- Allows Django models to be ordered
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Michael Fladischer -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 * Package name: python-django-ordered-model Version : 1.2.0 Upstream Author : Ben Firshman * URL : https://github.com/bfirsh/django-ordered-model * License : BSD-3-clause Programming Lang: Python Description : Allows Django models to be ordered django-ordered-model allows models to be ordered and provides a simple admin interface for reordering them. Model instances have a set of methods to move them relative to each other. It is also possible to order only within a subset of objects. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJXgRBlAAoJEGlMre9Rx7W2YZQP/3Z6hDkzr0LpA6y+sWJ4LDwc Sx/0kDcagwZJBFXJFsYAbCvO+UGvbHOdU91WhYueJyfQSy+pPhM09tOeJnfUcTl4 jwmr05Y/a1UWsTwZSxAhkLBkO6ZFjX11Gzx09kpb60mc80/aX7TyOskVL4CSoh7p bCey+Yjo78C49MjYMdtzLvHLXG9afwdkVPpOZ273/+nT0ON0jr5bKYx6vDIq6hIz Xdr+/d8xfK28eDK/92O9glhshwkulD8sgAFMmOKo3waZVHCjoLRlQ+o7fDCIxFq5 TITrmKzA8Gnkn71jIQcRa6rhNyoDI0wvmEjCNlD2wcnsMR0mFJGKk6wyKAniCxLp /kM8n50dPMWjGXHRGP6w/8H5ktgAIsMdWCf1scq9BZ1LWrMCqKYmQyTJ0JbDLR4b tcNXr1WemHAct6AYygutyw+Rx6erTaI7fckk/LkkN5Acf8W2dVyOc7bEeC4JUma4 LeWJON8ndOQ12md4DlZBsNTSiLm5f2+H/1f7hlQGSX2lM6yyWTrbgqLWf6rZoSEr 9n3Y5xwCTWZzLtSZVDoNZo38P8Xa0z1c9/XO3HrEf9OyNV8LjEx9l82m4rGo6t+Z ImHq9x6WgiRdknVqLr9ZYy0YcjYzrs2ngPxoirXI+fUvA95wrVmNBdbqRkrzzOll zlztwAVc1NNUAMJtrprw =Deu3 -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Replacing web assets with symlinks to packaged versions
Balasankar C wrote: > On ശനി 09 ജൂലൈ 2016 07:01 വൈകു, Pirate Praveen wrote: > > On 2016, ജൂലൈ 9 6:02:12 PM IST, Enrico Zini wrote: > >> Hello, > >> > >> as upstream of https://github.com/spanezz/staticsite I want it so that > >> when people git clone it or open a tarball of it, it just works, > >> with no need of installing twitter bootstrap in example/theme manually. > >> > >> As Debian packager of it, I want twitter bootstrap in example/theme to > >> be symlinks to what's in libjs-twitter-bootstrap. > > > > You just add a links file in your package to replace the js to symlinks. > > And add dependency on the js package. > > > > That's all you'll need. > > > > That involves repackaging right? I think he is trying to do it without making > multiple tarballs. No, you don't have to remove bundled third-party software from the source package unless it doesn't have a Free Software license. Third-party Free Software packages can stay in the source package; you just want to have the binary package use the packaged versions instead. - Josh Trpilett
Debian/Linux Community and News Project
Hello everyone, If I were to startup a Linux/Raspberry Pi/Debian news site, would anyone care to help with authoring, research and development? Just email me at - m...@jamesthedev.com. This would be a new opportunity to build not only a news site, but a versatile Linux community where the people could decide what should be posted, have a discussion board etc. This would be a section of a huge collaborative project, involving a large amount of members from the Linux community, ranging from expert Linux Professionals, to beginner Linux Users. The site would be orientated around Linux news, focusing quite a large portion of it on Debian News. Although this may seem like a huge journey, I am willing to embark on it, and I would love for others to help. We need a people run community website, and I would like to help create one. Have a great day! Thanks in advance, James Gallagher
Re: Replacing web assets with symlinks to packaged versions
On ശനി 09 ജൂലൈ 2016 08:30 വൈകു, Josh Triplett wrote: > Balasankar C wrote: >> On ശനി 09 ജൂലൈ 2016 07:01 വൈകു, Pirate Praveen wrote: >>> On 2016, ജൂലൈ 9 6:02:12 PM IST, Enrico Zini wrote: Hello, as upstream of https://github.com/spanezz/staticsite I want it so that when people git clone it or open a tarball of it, it just works, with no need of installing twitter bootstrap in example/theme manually. As Debian packager of it, I want twitter bootstrap in example/theme to be symlinks to what's in libjs-twitter-bootstrap. >>> >>> You just add a links file in your package to replace the js to symlinks. >>> And add dependency on the js package. >>> >>> That's all you'll need. >>> >> >> That involves repackaging right? I think he is trying to do it without making >> multiple tarballs. > Ah. My mistake. I misunderstood the query. BTW, in this case, we can just use gbp.conf (if using gbp) to remove the redundant file while importing new version, right? We have been doing that for many of the rails-assets-* packages in Debian Ruby team. -- Balasankar C http://balasankarc.in
Re: Replacing web assets with symlinks to packaged versions
On 2016, ജൂലൈ 9 8:41:46 PM IST, Balasankar C wrote: >Ah. My mistake. I misunderstood the query. BTW, in this case, we can >just use >gbp.conf (if using gbp) to remove the redundant file while importing >new >version, right? We have been doing that for many of the rails-assets-* >packages >in Debian Ruby team. We do that in rails-assets-* only when the embedded copy is minified js. -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
Re: Replacing web assets with symlinks to packaged versions
On Sat, Jul 09, 2016 at 08:00:48AM -0700, Josh Triplett wrote: > > On ശനി 09 ജൂലൈ 2016 07:01 വൈകു, Pirate Praveen wrote: > > > You just add a links file in your package to replace the js to symlinks. > > > And add dependency on the js package. > > > That's all you'll need. [...] > No, you don't have to remove bundled third-party software from the > source package unless it doesn't have a Free Software license. > Third-party Free Software packages can stay in the source package; you > just want to have the binary package use the packaged versions instead. Perfect, thank you both, that seems to solve my problem entirely, and it's far far easier than I feared at first. Enrico -- GPG key: 4096R/634F4BD1E7AD5568 2009-05-08 Enrico Zini signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Bug#830582: ITP: staticsite -- Static site generator
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Enrico Zini * Package name: staticsite Version : 0.4 Upstream Author : Enrico Zini * URL : https://github.com/spanezz/staticsite * License : GPL Programming Lang: Python Description : Static site generator Static site generator based on markdown and jinja2. . Features: - themable - free content structure - hugo-style archetypes and front matter - live preview server I wrote this, have been using it for some months, so far I'm very happy with it, and I'd like to see what happens if I try and share it with the world. The reason I ended up writing yet another static site generator is here: http://www.enricozini.org/blog/2016/static-site-generators/ and more information about it is here: http://www.enricozini.org/tags/ssite/ and here: https://github.com/spanezz/staticsite#staticsite Some people have expressed interest in it, but were put off by it not being in Debian. Since now, thanks to Hugo Lefeuvre[1], all its dependencies are in Debian, I'm giving it a try. [1] https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=816727 Enrico
Re: Replacing web assets with symlinks to packaged versions
On Sat, Jul 09, 2016 at 02:06:36PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: > As I understand it, your problem is that: > > * Upstream wants the upstream tarball to contain a copy of bootstrap > * Debian wants the copy of bootstrap removed from the source package > * But none of our source formats can replace files with symlinks ? > > ? It turns out that Debian does not want the copy of bootstrap removed from the source package, and that it's ok to just replace them with symlinks using dh_link. That lowers massively the bar, and my level of despair. Enrico -- GPG key: 4096R/634F4BD1E7AD5568 2009-05-08 Enrico Zini signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Bug#830598: ITP: xed -- Xed is part of X-Appa project, a text editor Cross-DE, backward-compatible, GTK3, traditional UI. Xed is a text editor which supports most standard editor features, extending t
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Franciscarlos Santos Soares * Package name: xed Version : 1.0.6 Upstream Author : Stefano Karapetsas * URL : http://git.mate-desktop.org/xed/ * License : GPL, LGPL, GFDL Programming Lang: C, Python Description : Xed is part of X-Appa project, a text editor Cross-DE, backward-compatible, GTK3, traditional UI. Xed is a text editor which supports most standard editor features, extending this basic functionality with other features not usually found in simple text editors. Xed is a graphical application which supports editing multiple text files in one window (known sometimes as tabs or MDI). This package is importante because in old computers, like existents where i work, public schools in Brazil, have a need of reasonable uniformity in Environment Desktops like Xfec, Mate and Lxde, as provided by these package. For now i want to keep it yourself. However, if someone is interested, i would be happy to have him on the team.
Re: Replacing web assets with symlinks to packaged versions
Hi, Le 09/07/2016 à 08:32, Enrico Zini a écrit : > As Debian packager of it, I want twitter bootstrap in example/theme to > be symlinks to what's in libjs-twitter-bootstrap. You probably want libjs-bootstrap (version 3) instead of the orphaned libjs-twitter-bootstrap (version 2). Regards David signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Bug#830615: ITP: xviewer -- xviewer is part of X-App project, is a simple image viewer which uses the gdk-pixbuf library. It can deal with large images, and zoom and scroll with constant memory usa
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Franciscarlos Santos Soares * Package name: xviewer Version : 1.0.5 Upstream Author : Tim Gerla Philip Van Hoof Paolo Borelli Jens Finke Federico Mena Quintero Arik Devens Michael Meeks Martin Baulig * URL : https://github.com/linuxmint/xviewer * License : GPL, LGPL Programming Lang: C Description : Image viewer program. Xviewer is part of X-App project, is a simple image viewer which uses the gdk- pixbuf library. It can deal with large images, and zoom and scroll with constant memory usage. Its goals are simplicity and standards compliance. This package is importante because in old computers, like existents where i work, public schools in Brazil, have a need of reasonable uniformity in Environment Desktops like Xfec, Mate and Lxde, as provided by these package. For now i want to keep it yourself. However, if someone is interested, i would be happy to have him on the team.
Bug#830624: ITP: xplayer -- Simple media player based on GStreamer.
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Franciscarlos Santos Soares * Package name: xplayer Version : 1.0.7 Upstream Author : Bastien Nocera * URL : https://github.com/linuxmint/xplayer * License : GPL, LGPL Programming Lang: C Description : Simple media player based on GStreamer Xplayer is part of X-App project, is a simple yet featureful media player which can read a large number of file formats. It features : . * Shoutcast, m3u, asx, SMIL and ra playlists support * DVD (with menus), VCD and Digital CD (with CDDB) playback * TV-Out configuration with optional resolution switching * 4.0, 5.0, 5.1 and stereo audio output * Full-screen mode (move your mouse and you get nice controls) with Xinerama, dual-head and RandR support * Aspect ratio toggling, scaling based on the video's original size * Full keyboard control * Simple playlist with repeat mode and saving feature * GIO integration * Screenshot of the current movie * Brightness and Contrast control * Visualisation plugin when playing audio-only files * Video thumbnailer * Works on remote displays * DVD, VCD and OGG/OGM subtitles with automatic language selection * Extensible with plugins This package is importante because in old computers, like existents where i work, public schools in Brazil, have a need of reasonable uniformity in Environment Desktops like Xfec, Mate and Lxde, as provided by these package. For now i want to keep it yourself. However, if someone is interested, i would be happy to have him on the team.
Re: Bug#830624: ITP: xplayer -- Simple media player based on GStreamer.
On 09/07/16 22:05, Franciscarlos Santos Soares wrote: > Package: wnpp > Severity: wishlist > Owner: Franciscarlos Santos Soares > > * Package name: xplayer > Version : 1.0.7 > Upstream Author : Bastien Nocera > * URL : https://github.com/linuxmint/xplayer > * License : GPL, LGPL > Programming Lang: C > Description : Simple media player based on GStreamer > > Xplayer is part of X-App project, is a simple yet featureful media player Do we really need yet another fork of GNOME? Emilio
Bug#830625: ITP: xviewer-plugins -- Set of plugins for xviewer.
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Franciscarlos Santos Soares * Package name: xviewer-plugins Version : 1.0.3 Upstream Author : Clement Lefbvre * URL : https://github.com/linuxmint/xviewer-plugins * License : GPL, LGPL Programming Lang: C Description : Set of plugins for xviewer xviewer-plugins is part of X-App project as dependency xviewer. This package is importante because in old computers, like existents where i work, public schools in Brazil, have a need of reasonable uniformity in Environment Desktops like Xfec, Mate and Lxde, as provided by these package. For now i want to keep it yourself. However, if someone is interested, i would be happy to have him on the team.
Bug#830626: debtags: proposed tag: suite::mysql
Package: debtags Severity: wishlist Dear Maintainer, Please consider adding a new tag to debtags : - facet : suite - tag : mysql - name : MySQL - description : MySQL and variants like MariaDB and Percona This tag would be used to tag all mysql-related packages to belong to the mysql suite (cfr. suite::postgresql) Thanks, Dieter Adriaenssens
Re: Bug#830624: ITP: xplayer -- Simple media player based on GStreamer.
On Jul 09, Emilio Pozuelo Monfort wrote: > Do we really need yet another fork of GNOME? Probably not, but I suspect that this problem should be solved upstream... -- ciao, Marco signature.asc Description: PGP signature
[MBF] Obsoleting Source-Version substvar
Hi!
I'd like to obsolete the ${Source-Version} substvar, which has very
misleading semantics, and has been deprecated since dpkg 1.13.19 in
2006-05-04. This currently emits warnings from various dpkg-dev
scripts and from lintian.
I'm attaching the prospective dd-list, and the template bug report. I'd
like do the MBF in 1 or 2 weeks, and turn the warnings into errors in
the first dpkg release after 1 or 2 months from now. I'm easy if people
would like more or less time?
Thanks,
Guillem
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Clément Stenac
libid3tag (U)
Damián Viano
libpcl1
Daniel Burrows
libsigc++-1.2
Daniel Ruoso
colorblind
David Martínez Moreno
uclmmbase
Debian QA Group
libjconv
libxcrypt
Giuseppe Sacco
hylafax
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clips
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hylafax (U)
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dancer-xml
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tclx8.4
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mffm-fftw
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yapps2
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vflib3
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libident
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libtcd
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osspsa
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libgconf-bridge
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libid3tag (U)
Hi!
This source package uses the ${Source-Version} substvar variable
deprecated since dpkg 1.13.19 in 2006-05-04. That upload also introduced
the substvars binary:Version and source:Version which can be used
instead.
Using this deprecated substvar will become an error in the near
future. Please update the package.
See also: .
Thanks,
Guillem
Re: Replacing web assets with symlinks to packaged versions
Hi Enrico, Have you looked at dh-linktree? I use that in wordpress so if the package has the right files it makes symlinks to the relavant spot and adds the package to the binary dependency. - Craig
Re: [MBF] Obsoleting Source-Version substvar
On 10/07/16 02:16, Guillem Jover wrote:
> Hi!
>
> I'd like to obsolete the ${Source-Version} substvar, which has very
> misleading semantics, and has been deprecated since dpkg 1.13.19 in
> 2006-05-04. This currently emits warnings from various dpkg-dev
> scripts and from lintian.
>
>
>
> I'm attaching the prospective dd-list, and the template bug report. I'd
> like do the MBF in 1 or 2 weeks, and turn the warnings into errors in
> the first dpkg release after 1 or 2 months from now. I'm easy if people
> would like more or less time?
Sounds good to me.
Cheers,
Emilio
Re: Installer of Debian Stable allows to use btrfs for /, does it mean it's mature enough to use safely?
2016-07-08 17:55 GMT+03:00 : > I value stability of a FS over other considerations like shiny new features > and performance. I know that Debian Stable includes only that versions of > software that were considered rock-solid and mostly bug-free. But on the > other hand I read documentation for version of a Linux kernel of Debian > Stable and it says that btrfs is under heavy development and isn't suitable > for any uses other than benchmarking and review. Proof-link: > https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/stable/linux-stable.git/tree/Documentation/filesystems/btrfs.txt?id=refs/tags/v3.16.36 For the sake of defending BTRFS I'd like to point out that the latest version of that file looks quite different: https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/stable/linux-stable.git/tree/Documentation/filesystems/btrfs.txt I've been using BTRFS for 2-3 years now, and it's checksumming/raid capabilities has saved my from failing disks twice, and it's 'change raid level on the fly' -feature (not available in zfs) has saved my ass on a production machine once. OpenSUSE uses btrfs by default, the Jolla phone has btrfs / by default and both SUSE and RedHat support it officially in their latest releases. On SSD disks it can even outperform ext4 in certain scenarios: https://www.mayrhofer.eu.org/ssd-linux-benchmark Yes, btrfs in kernel 3.16-18 might still be unstable, but since then it is got some important fixes, it is production ready and is actually pretty amazing in many ways.
Re: Bug#830624: ITP: xplayer -- Simple media player based on GStreamer.
Hi, Please keep the bug report and debian-devel@ in Cc. On 09/07/16 22:31, Franciscarlos Santos Soares wrote: > Hi Emilio! > > Thank you for contacting us. In fact, like independent application of any DE, > but they were compatible with the traditional look of windows and based on > the > GTK library. So would provide a good working environment in the old computers > that read daily in public schools that work. I found http://segfault.linuxmint.com/2016/02/the-first-two-x-apps-are-ready/, which makes things clearer. This seems to be a cross-desktop (Mate, Cinnamon... XFCE?) project to provide some core apps. Which we wouldn't end up with multiple forks of the same stuff, and that addresses my concerns. Maybe the XFCE / Cinnamon / Mate maintainers can confirm if that is indeed the plan. Cheers, Emilio
Bug#830530: ITP: golang-github-skarademir-naturalsort -- simple natural sorter for Go Strings
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Dmitry Smirnov X-Debbugs-CC: debian-devel@lists.debian.org, pkg-go-maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org Control: affects -1 docker-swarm Package name: golang-github-skarademir-naturalsort Version: 0.0~git20150715 Upstream Author: Saruhan Karademir License: Expat URL: https://github.com/skarademir/naturalsort Description: simple natural sorter for Go Strings A simple natural string sorter for Go. Implements the "sort.Interface". signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Bug#830531: ITP: golang-github-docker-leadership -- distributed leader election using docker/libkv
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Dmitry Smirnov X-Debbugs-CC: debian-devel@lists.debian.org, pkg-go-maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org Control: affects -1 docker-swarm Package name: golang-github-docker-leadership Version: 0.0~git20160208 Upstream Author: Docker, Inc. License: Apache-2.0 URL: https://github.com/docker/leadership Description: distributed leader election using docker/libkv Distributed leader election for clustered environments. Leadership is a library for a cluster leader election on top of a distributed Key/Value store. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: What happened with btrfs during freeze of Debian Jessie?
Quoting german...@ya.ru (2016-07-09 07:00:43) > Probably my previous message was misunderstood, so I try to rephrase it. > > Current Debian Stable is Debian Jessie. The latest Linux kernel for Debian > Jessie is 3.16. The said version of Linux kernel on the said version of > Debian includes btrfs module. But documentation for this version of kernel > says that "Btrfs is under heavy development, and is not suitable for > any uses other than benchmarking and review. The Btrfs disk format is not yet > finalized." (Proof-link: > https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/stable/linux-stable.git/tree/Documentation/filesystems/btrfs.txt?id=refs/tags/v3.16.36) > So it should be expected that btrfs module for this version of Linux kernel > is very buggy and dangerous. But on the other hand, somehow it managed to > survive freeze phase and make its way into Debian Stable. > > How did it happen ?? O_o Debian provides many options - including dangerous ones. What would be troublesome was if Debian enabled any dangerous options by default or promoted them too prominently without adequate warnings. That does not seem to be the case here. - Jonas -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist & Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private signature.asc Description: signature
Re: Installer of Debian Stable allows to use btrfs for /, does it mean it's mature enough to use safely?
Quoting german...@ya.ru (2016-07-09 04:29:58) > >Believe the upstream. While in the nearest kernel, there is no sentence > >about "under heavy > development". Installer is just installer. > > It doesn't matter if the latest stable Linux kernel has stable and mostly > bug-free btrfs. The problem is, that the latest stable Linux kernel for the > latest Debian Stable is way older. And btrfs from this particular version of > Linux kernel seems to be very unreliable. > > So what this highly experimental AND dangerous software is doing in > Debian Stable? I thought that such software is for Debian Testing and > Debian Unstable, but not for Debian Stable. "Stable" means Debian promises to not change its API or ABI, not that the _effect_ of using said software is stable or safe or recommended. - Jonas -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist & Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private signature.asc Description: signature
Re: Installer of Debian Stable allows to use btrfs for /, does it mean it's mature enough to use safely?
But I have read in Debian's documentation that some pieces of software can be excluded from Debian if they're considered too buggy. Isn't it the case for exclusion of highly experimental and immature programs like btrfs for Linux 3.16 ?
Re: What happened with btrfs during freeze of Debian Jessie?
>What would be troublesome was if Debian enabled any dangerous options by >default or promoted them too prominently without adequate warnings. >That does not seem to be the case here. It seems to be the case here. At the least for Debian Installer, it doesn't have any warning like "Use btrfs on your own risk, it currently considered as experimental and unstable". 09.07.2016, 09:30, "Jonas Smedegaard" : > Quoting german...@ya.ru (2016-07-09 07:00:43) >> Probably my previous message was misunderstood, so I try to rephrase it. >> >> Current Debian Stable is Debian Jessie. The latest Linux kernel for Debian >> Jessie is 3.16. The said version of Linux kernel on the said version of >> Debian includes btrfs module. But documentation for this version of kernel >> says that "Btrfs is under heavy development, and is not suitable for >> any uses other than benchmarking and review. The Btrfs disk format is not >> yet finalized." (Proof-link: >> https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/stable/linux-stable.git/tree/Documentation/filesystems/btrfs.txt?id=refs/tags/v3.16.36) >> So it should be expected that btrfs module for this version of Linux kernel >> is very buggy and dangerous. But on the other hand, somehow it managed to >> survive freeze phase and make its way into Debian Stable. >> >> How did it happen ?? O_o > > Debian provides many options - including dangerous ones. > > What would be troublesome was if Debian enabled any dangerous options by > default or promoted them too prominently without adequate warnings. > That does not seem to be the case here. > > - Jonas > > -- > * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist & Internet-arkitekt > * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ > > [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private
Bug#830537: ITP: trac-datefield -- Add custom date fields to Trac tickets
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Al Nikolov * Package name: trac-datefield Version : 14902 Upstream Author : Noah Kantrowitz * URL : http://trac-hacks.org/wiki/DateFieldPlugin * License : BSD Programming Lang: Python Description : Add custom date fields to Trac tickets Validates custom fields as dates in Trac tickets and helps to input them using JQuery-UI. This package is going to replace trac-datefieldplugin in order to be aligned with the majority of Trac hacks package names.
Re: Installer of Debian Stable allows to use btrfs for /, does it mean it's mature enough to use safely?
Quoting german...@ya.ru (2016-07-09 10:15:54) > But I have read in Debian's documentation that some pieces of software > can be excluded from Debian if they're considered too buggy. Isn't it > the case for exclusion of highly experimental and immature programs > like btrfs for Linux 3.16 ? Please file a bugreport if you believe you've found one. debian-devel@lists.debian.org is not the place to discuss specific bugs. - Jonas -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist & Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private signature.asc Description: signature
Re: What happened with btrfs during freeze of Debian Jessie?
Quoting german...@ya.ru (2016-07-09 10:11:30) > >What would be troublesome was if Debian enabled any dangerous options by > >default or promoted them too prominently without adequate warnings. > >That does not seem to be the case here. > > > It seems to be the case here. At the least for Debian Installer, it > doesn't have any warning like "Use btrfs on your own risk, it > currently considered as experimental and unstable". Please file a bugreport against debian-installer, then. This in not the place to discuss specific bugs. - Jonas -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist & Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private signature.asc Description: signature
Bug#830547: (no subject)
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Al Nikolov * Package name: trac-icalview Version : 15654 Upstream Author : Xavier Péchoultres * URL : http://trac-hacks.org/wiki/IcalViewPlugin * License : GPL2 Programming Lang: Python Description : Provides iCalendar feeds for ticket queries This plugin provides iCalendar feeds for ticket queries as standard roadmap module. It use 2 optional custom fields for event date and duration. This package is going to replace trac-icalviewdplugin in order to be aligned with the majority of Trac hacks package names.
Re: Thinking about a "jessie and a half" release
On Fri, 2016-07-08 at 23:17 -0400, Nicholas D Steeves wrote: > On 4 July 2016 at 18:38, Ben Hutchings wrote: [...] > > > Also, I imagine this might one day be necessary, > > > particularly if tracking backported linux-src due to ABI changes > > > between kernels, eg: if the out-of-tree drivers in testing begin > > > to > > > require >> linux-src=3.16.0 ABI. > > > > I think you mean API. We don't ship out-of-tree drivers as > > binaries. > > > > Yes, you're absolutely right, I meant API. Given that people with, > for example broadcom wifi chipsets will be using this new Debian spin > (Maybe it should be called Debian Fresh Spin?) in the hopes of > hardware enablement, do you think it should pin the bpo versions of > out-of-tree drivers, and also include bpo non-free firmware? Non-free is not part of Debian so those components would need to be explicitly installed. firmware-nonfree is up-to-date in backports (at least, it is in synch with testing and unstable). Ben. -- Ben Hutchings If more than one person is responsible for a bug, no one is at fault. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
