Re: Standardizing the layout of git packaging repositories

[Matthias Urlichs]

Hi,

Ian Jackson:
> In order to generate the correct diff etc. you need the _tree(s)_
> corresponding to the .orig*.tar but in principle those could be
> provided as git tree objects somehow.
> 
s/ somehow//: An original-tar branch instead of the current semi-supported
pristine-tar overkill, with the original pristine file's MD5/SHA* in the
commit text, should be sufficient for all intents and purposes.

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Re: GHC FFI libraries depend on unversioned SO.

[Sven Bartscher]

On Wed, 20 Aug 2014 21:16:41 +0200
Sven Bartscher  wrote:

> Greetings,
> 
> I noticed that libghc-regex-pcre-dev doesn't depend on libpcre6, which
> causes it to fail at import.
> I tried to fix that and noticed that ghc searches for the unversioned
> SO (i.e. libpcre.so instead of libpcre.so.3).
> 
> Is this normal with GHC or is this just some bug in regex-pcre?
> If this is a common case, what cen we do against it? Is this only
> something that can be fixed in GHC or can we fix this by some linker
> options?


Sorry, I mistyped the address. I actually wanted to send this to
debian-haskell.

Regards
Sven


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Re: Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop

[Paul van der Vlis]

Hello,

Here my points about using Gnome 3.12:

Gnome 3.12 depends on 3D video drivers or a emulation of that. In Gnome
3.4 (Wheezy) there was a "fallback mode", but that's gone. There is now
something called "GNOME Classic" but that still needs 3D drivers. It's
only more "classic" with menu's etc.

There is something called LLVMpipe, it's a software fallback when there
is no 3D video driver. I don't know how well it works. Maybe here is
somebody with more information?  Is it automatically used in Debian,
when the videocard is not supported? How does it work on older machines?

There is something called "Gnome Flashback", but the version in Debian
is for Gnome 3.8, and the latest beta from upstream is for Gnome 3.10.
Not sure there will be a 3.12 version in time. It's not official, and
maybe the wrong way to go.

I saw with Debian Wheezy that some 3D drivers are really buggy (e.g.
nouveau). Maybe it's better now?

For some hardware there are no 3D drivers. E.g. in server-boards there
are most of the time very poor GPU's. I don't use a graphical
environment on servers myself most of the time, but I think many people
do. Not sure LLVMpipe is really useable.

Another point is desktop sharing. I use X2go and it does not work with
Gnome in 3D mode. Is here somebody who can tell me if VNC or RDP or
something else works? I must say that I don't like VNC, because it's
very slow. X2go is really fast.

Another point are virtual machines. Does Gnome 3.12 work fine inside
many virtual machines?

Does Gnome 3.12 work on LTSP?

Gnome 3.12 depends on GDM3 when I am not wrong. After some timeout GDM3
comes into a mode where a user who don't know how it works does not find
a way to login. I really don't like that.

With regards,
Paul van der Vlis.


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Re: Standardizing the layout of git packaging repositories

[Matthias Urlichs]

Hi,

Scott Kitterman:
> Whatever is "standardized" it really, really ought to produce a useful source 
> package as that's the preferred form of modification in the project.
> 
I do wonder, though, how many DDs would rather switch to a preferred form
of "the debian branch of a git repo, based on the upstream VCS, with all
changes as git commits". No debian/patches. Source format: a tarball with
the FOO.git directory (not compressed, as "git repack" already does that).

Of course, we'd have to deal with non-free or otherwise unwanted files in
upstream archives. Presumably, "git clone --shallow" could be extended to
constrain itself to the dfsg and debian branches.

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Bug#758827: ITP: lazr.config -- ini-file format handling supporting schemas and inheritance

[Barry Warsaw]

Package: wnpp
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Owner: Barry Warsaw 

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The LAZR config system is typically used to manage process
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when we run systems on different machines, or under different
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Bug#758828: ITP: lazr.delegates -- easily write objects that delegate behavior

[Barry Warsaw]

Package: wnpp
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The `lazr.delegates` package makes it easy to write objects that
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underlying interface, and delegating behavior.

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Re: Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop

[Ben Hutchings]

On Thu, 2014-08-21 at 17:56 +0200, Paul van der Vlis wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> Here my points about using Gnome 3.12:
> 
> Gnome 3.12 depends on 3D video drivers or a emulation of that. In Gnome
> 3.4 (Wheezy) there was a "fallback mode", but that's gone. There is now
> something called "GNOME Classic" but that still needs 3D drivers. It's
> only more "classic" with menu's etc.
> 
> There is something called LLVMpipe, it's a software fallback when there
> is no 3D video driver. I don't know how well it works. Maybe here is
> somebody with more information?  Is it automatically used in Debian,
> when the videocard is not supported? How does it work on older machines?

It is used automatically.

[...]
> For some hardware there are no 3D drivers. E.g. in server-boards there
> are most of the time very poor GPU's. I don't use a graphical
> environment on servers myself most of the time, but I think many people
> do. Not sure LLVMpipe is really useable.

It is.

> Another point is desktop sharing. I use X2go and it does not work with
> Gnome in 3D mode. Is here somebody who can tell me if VNC or RDP or
> something else works? I must say that I don't like VNC, because it's
> very slow. X2go is really fast.
> 
> Another point are virtual machines. Does Gnome 3.12 work fine inside
> many virtual machines?
[...]

It works for me in a KVM/QEMU VM with cirrus emulation.  That has no 3D
acceleration, and I am viewing the display with VNC.  As I understand
it, the composition and animation effects are simplified when LLVMpipe
is being used, so it is reasonably responsive.

Ben.

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Re: Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop

[Josselin Mouette]

Le jeudi 21 août 2014 à 13:17 -0700, Ben Hutchings a écrit : 
> It works for me in a KVM/QEMU VM with cirrus emulation.  That has no 3D
> acceleration, and I am viewing the display with VNC.  As I understand
> it, the composition and animation effects are simplified when LLVMpipe
> is being used, so it is reasonably responsive.

I’m not sure they are. It’s just that LLVMpipe is really awesome :)

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Work-needing packages report for Aug 22, 2014

[wnpp]

The following is a listing of packages for which help has been requested
through the WNPP (Work-Needing and Prospective Packages) system in the
last week.

Total number of orphaned packages: 584 (new: 0)
Total number of packages offered up for adoption: 140 (new: 3)
Total number of packages requested help for: 60 (new: 0)

Please refer to http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/ for more information.



No new packages have been orphaned, but a total of 584 packages are
orphaned.  See http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/orphaned
for a complete list.



The following packages have been given up for adoption:

   KLone (#758779), offered today
 Description: embedded web application development framework

   beanstalkd (#758456), offered 4 days ago
 Description: simple, in-memory, workqueue service
 Installations reported by Popcon: 114

   bogofilter (#758455), offered 4 days ago
 Description: fast Bayesian spam filter (dummy package)
 Reverse Depends: bogofilter bogofilter-bdb bogofilter-sqlite
   bogofilter-tokyocabinet claws-mail-bogofilter
 Installations reported by Popcon: 57593

137 older packages have been omitted from this listing, see
http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/rfa_bypackage for a complete list.



For the following packages help is requested:

   apt-xapian-index (#567955), requested 1662 days ago
 Description: maintenance tools for a Xapian index of Debian packages
 Reverse Depends: ept-cache goplay packagesearch
 Installations reported by Popcon: 73361

   athcool (#278442), requested 3586 days ago
 Description: Enable powersaving mode for Athlon/Duron processors
 Installations reported by Popcon: 48

   awstats (#755797), requested 29 days ago
 Description: powerful and featureful web server log analyzer
 Installations reported by Popcon: 4100

   balsa (#642906), requested 1061 days ago
 Description: An e-mail client for GNOME
 Reverse Depends: balsa-dbg
 Installations reported by Popcon: 773

   cardstories (#624100), requested 1214 days ago
 Description: Find out a card using a sentence made up by another
   player
 Installations reported by Popcon: 9

   chromium-browser (#583826), requested 1544 days ago
 Description: Chromium browser
 Reverse Depends: chromedriver chromium chromium-dbg chromium-l10n
   mozplugger
 Installations reported by Popcon: 24342

   code-saturne (#754477), requested 41 days ago
 Description: General purpose Computational Fluid Dynamics (CFD)
   software
 Reverse Depends: code-saturne
 Installations reported by Popcon: 170

   csv2latex (#746158), requested 116 days ago
 Description: a CSV to LaTeX file converter
 Installations reported by Popcon: 145

   cups (#532097), requested 1902 days ago
 Description: Common UNIX Printing System
 Reverse Depends: bluez-cups chromium cinnamon-settings-daemon
   cloudprint cups cups-backend-bjnp cups-browsed cups-bsd cups-client
   cups-core-drivers (63 more omitted)
 Installations reported by Popcon: 134603

   debtags (#567954), requested 1662 days ago
 Description: Enables support for package tags
 Reverse Depends: goplay packagesearch
 Installations reported by Popcon: 2283

   fbcat (#565156), requested 1681 days ago
 Description: framebuffer grabber
 Installations reported by Popcon: 144

   freeipmi (#628062), requested 1183 days ago
 Description: GNU implementation of the IPMI protocol
 Reverse Depends: freeipmi freeipmi-bmc-watchdog freeipmi-ipmidetect
   freeipmi-ipmiseld freeipmi-tools libfreeipmi-dev libfreeipmi12
   libfreeipmi16 libipmiconsole-dev libipmiconsole2 (6 more omitted)
 Installations reported by Popcon: 5377

   gnat-gps (#496905), requested 2184 days ago
 Description: co-maintainer needed
 Reverse Depends: gnat-gps gnat-gps-dbg
 Installations reported by Popcon: 508

   gnokii (#677750), requested 796 days ago
 Description: Datasuite for mobile phone management
 Reverse Depends: gnokii gnokii-cli gnokii-smsd gnokii-smsd-mysql
   gnokii-smsd-pgsql gnome-phone-manager libgnokii-dev libgnokii6
   xgnokii
 Installations reported by Popcon: 1576

   gnupg (#660685), requested 913 days ago
 Description: GNU privacy guard - a free PGP replacement
 Reverse Depends: 0install-core apt arriero bootstrap-base
   cdebootstrap cdebootstrap-static clamav-unofficial-sigs cloud-utils
   debian-archive-keyring debian-edu-archive-keyring (54 more omitted)
 Installations reported by Popcon: 164652

   gpa (#663405), requested 894 days ago
 Description: GNU Privacy Assistant (GPA)
 Installations reported by Popcon: 558

   gradle (#683666), requested 749 days ago
 Description

Re: Standardizing the layout of git packaging repositories

[Russ Allbery]

Matthias Urlichs  writes:

> I do wonder, though, how many DDs would rather switch to a preferred
> form of "the debian branch of a git repo, based on the upstream VCS,
> with all changes as git commits". No debian/patches. Source format: a
> tarball with the FOO.git directory (not compressed, as "git repack"
> already does that).

I used to do that and then exported it via single-debian-patch to 3.0
(quilt) format.  I changed *to* debian/patches because I believe it's
superior.  It's somewhat harder to maintain, but it's vastly better for
communicating to upstream or to other distributions.

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Re: Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop

[intrigeri]

Hi,

Paul van der Vlis wrote (21 Aug 2014 15:56:53 GMT) :
> There is something called LLVMpipe, it's a software fallback when there
> is no 3D video driver. [...] How does it work on older machines?

I'm particularly interested in this question, e.g. on machines in the
ThinkPad X32 / X60 / X61 class.

FWIW, I share Ben's good experience in KVM guests.

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Re: Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop

[Charles Plessy]

Le Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 07:27:14AM +0200, intrigeri a écrit :
> 
> Paul van der Vlis wrote (21 Aug 2014 15:56:53 GMT) :
> > There is something called LLVMpipe, it's a software fallback when there
> > is no 3D video driver. [...] How does it work on older machines?
> 
> I'm particularly interested in this question, e.g. on machines in the
> ThinkPad X32 / X60 / X61 class.

Hi,

I am running GNOME 3 on a ThinkPad X61 (1.5 Gb RAM; second-hand SSD) and I am
totally satisfied.  I do not see much difference compared with when I run
GNOME 3 on a quad-core i7 iMac with the proprietary Radeon drivers.

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