Re: Deprecating/removing racoon/ipsec-tools from Debian GNU/Linux and racoon from Debian/kfreebsd

[Tollef Fog Heen]

]] Matt Grant 


> NB: racoon-tool was an effort to provide basic FreeSWAN like
> functionality when racoon/setkey where the one true way to use the then
> new Linux in kernel IPSEC stack.  Openswan and StrongSWAN are descended
> from FreeSWAN, thus racoon-tool functionality is 99% fulfilled by using
> Strongswan/Freeswan.

Is there a migration guide anywhere?  I have ipsec installations that
currently use racoon, but would happily switch them to something else if
that is considered better.

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Re: Debian default desktop environment

[Gergely Nagy]

Russ Allbery  writes:

> Sune Vuorela  writes:
>
>> Part of me wants to have KDE Plasma Desktop as the default workspace,
>> because it is completely awesome.
>
>> Other parts of me is happy that it is not the default because then we
>> don't have all sorts of weird wishes about "oh noes. networkmanager" or
>> "Please use this non-integrated piece of messaging software because it
>> does something that no one uses".
>
> We should change the default desktop environment with each release so that
> each maintenance team gets to share in the fun!  It's like a giant hazing
> ritual.  :)

Can we have ratpoison + selected things as default DE for Debian Zurg?
Please? Pretty please? With sugar on top?

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Bug#743841: ITP: libdist-zilla-plugin-localemsgfmt-perl -- Dist::Zilla plugin to compile PO files with Locale::Msgfmt

[intrigeri]

Package: wnpp
Owner: intrigeri 
Severity: wishlist
X-Debbugs-CC: debian-devel@lists.debian.org,debian-p...@lists.debian.org

* Package name: libdist-zilla-plugin-localemsgfmt-perl
  Version : 1.203
  Upstream Author : Patrick Donelan 
* URL : https://metacpan.org/release/Dist-Zilla-Plugin-LocaleMsgfmt
* License : Artistic or GPL-1+
  Programming Lang: Perl
  Description : Dist::Zilla plugin to compile PO files with Locale::Msgfmt

Dist::Zilla::Plugin::LocaleMsgfmt is a Dist::Zilla plugin that compiles
PO files, found in a configurable location, to the binary (.mo) message
catalog file format.

The resulting .mo files can then be included in the dist tarball generated
by dzil build.


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Re: Debian default desktop environment

[Jonas Smedegaard]

Quoting Gergely Nagy (2014-04-07 11:10:27)
> Can we have ratpoison + selected things as default DE for Debian Zurg? 
> Please? Pretty please? With sugar on top?

First, create a metapackage, and maintain it.

Then when getting popular, file bugreport against tasksel to have it 
included as alternative to the existing task-*-desktop tasks.


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Re: Bug#743669: ITP - gedraa-dsh - Data mine Internet catalogs to find double starts candidates double starts candidates

[Andrei POPESCU]

Control: reassign -1 wnpp
Control: severity -1 wishlist

On Vi, 04 apr 14, 19:36:25, Victor Di Rienzo wrote:
> Package: gedraa-dsh
> Status: install ok installed
> Priority: standard
> Section: Sicence
> Maintainer: Victor Di Rienzo 
> Version: 1.0.0
> Depends: default-jre
> Description: Data mine Internet catalogs to find double starts candidates
> double starts candidates

That should take care of the bug part, see Justin's mail for other 
issues.

Kind regards,
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Re: Bug#743723: ITP - gedraa-duplex - double star observers a tool to make easier a basic astrophysical analysis of both components of a given pair.

[Andrei POPESCU]

Control: reassign -1 wnpp
Control: severity -1 wishlist

On Sb, 05 apr 14, 12:49:40, Victor Di Rienzo wrote:
> Package: gedraa-duplex
> Status: install ok installed
> Priority: standard
> Section: Sicence
> Maintainer: Victor Di Rienzo 
> Version: 1.5.0
> Depends: default-jre
> Description: double star observers a tool to make easier a basic
> astrophysical analysis of both components of a given pair.
> 
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Bug#743859: ITP: tcode -- create a Java file from an associated LaTex file

[Andreas Tille]

Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Andreas Tille 

* Package name: tcode
  Version : 0.1.20080917
  Upstream Author : Pierre L'Ecuyer
* URL : http://www.iro.umontreal.ca/~simardr/ssj/ssj-source.html
* License : GPL
  Programming Lang: Java
  Description : create a Java file from an associated LaTex file
 Tcode is a precondition for libssj-java (SSJ) that creates a Java file from an
 associated LaTeX file. All SSJ code is written in LaTex format with special
 commands that allows Tcode to extract the Java code from the LaTex file. After
 which, Javadoc and LaTeX2HTML will create the HTML documentation.
 This guarantees that the source code and its documentation will never diverge.


Remark: This package is maintained by the Debian Med team as a precondition for
SSJ (which in turn is a precondition for the real Debian Med target).  The
packaging can be found at

   svn://anonscm.debian.org/debian-med/trunk/packages/tcode/trunk/


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Re: Debian default desktop environment

[Alex Mestiashvili]

My mother is using Debian 6 with Gnome 2. I don’t know if I will ever
update this system. Gnome 3 is not a solution, and I’m not interested in
teaching XFCE.

Shade and sweet water!

 Stephan



There is mate-desktop - http://mate-desktop.org/.

and it is partially in Debian as far as I see. So may be you just need 
to wait a bit, or add third party repository and simply install it.


Regards,
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Re: Debian default desktop environment

[Gunnar Wolf]

Iain R. Learmonth dijo [Sat, Apr 05, 2014 at 09:47:58AM +0100]:
> > So, I suggest we ship a desktop consisting of:
> > 
> > (... minimalist and console-based stuff ...)
> 
> Whilst that is basically my setup, it is definitely not an intuitive one
> to use.
> 
> For power users, it likely is better than GNOME, KDE, etc. but it's only
> power users that would take the time to get acquainted with it.
> 
> If someone wanted to put together a meta-package and some scripts for
> tighter integration however, I would be very happy to test it, and
> wouldn't mind seeing an installer that uses it as default, but it
> shouldn't be *the* default.

Please note I was basically joking by giving this list. I didn't reset
the list to debian-curiosa maybe because I forgot.

Anyway, when talking about power users or however you describe them, I
doubt a task or meta-package would make much sense: We will all choose
our programs on a much more fine-grained level. We don't want to argue
on whether the default poweruser WM should be i3 or ratpoison...


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Re: Debian default desktop environment

[Iain R. Learmonth]

On Mon, Apr 07, 2014 at 10:59:39AM -0500, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
> Iain R. Learmonth dijo [Sat, Apr 05, 2014 at 09:47:58AM +0100]:
> > > So, I suggest we ship a desktop consisting of:
> > > 
> > > (... minimalist and console-based stuff ...)
> > 
> > If someone wanted to put together a meta-package and some scripts for
> > tighter integration however, I would be very happy to test it, and
> > wouldn't mind seeing an installer that uses it as default, but it
> > shouldn't be *the* default.
> 
> Anyway, when talking about power users or however you describe them, I
> doubt a task or meta-package would make much sense: We will all choose
> our programs on a much more fine-grained level. We don't want to argue
> on whether the default poweruser WM should be i3 or ratpoison...

The problem of integration is present, but now that I think about it, is
likely more of an upstream problem than a packaging problem. I guess as
more and more things use dbus, integration will become easier.

This shouldn't stop anyone putting together a meta-package though, and
if it becomes popular enough, it should maybe be added as a task. It
would have been nice to have a meta-package for XMonad or i3 that brings
you to a "usable" set up when I first started experimenting with tiling
window managers, and used that as a starting point with sane defaults
which I could then tweak later.

I don't currently have the time to do this however, so if no one is
eagerly volunteering, I will drop it until I have the time to put
something together.

Iain.

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Re: Debian default desktop environment

[Thomas Goirand]

On 04/06/2014 05:06 AM, Matthias Klumpp wrote:
> Personally, I think we should offer a DVD instead of a CD as
> primary installation medium.

For a desktop use, probably. For server setup, please don't. The CD1 is
better than the netinst CD because... it doesn't need network! And I
prefer a smaller thing. I'm also unsure all my KVM over IPs support
images for DVDs rather than simply CD.

Thomas


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Re: Debian default desktop environment

[John Paul Adrian Glaubitz]

On 04/07/2014 07:26 PM, Thomas Goirand wrote:
> For a desktop use, probably. For server setup, please don't. The CD1 is
> better than the netinst CD because... it doesn't need network!

You deploy your servers from a CD? Don't get me wrong, but installing
from CD in an enterprise environment doesn't sound very professional
to me.

We use FAI for that. 99% of our servers don't even have a CD drive
anymore, just some of the older ones. And even if you want to install
from CD, most modern servers provide a BMC with keyboard, mouse and
video redirect over the network which also allows you to mount ISO
files as virtual CDs. In that case, you don't really care about whether
it's a CD or DVD.

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Re: Debian default desktop environment

[Russ Allbery]

John Paul Adrian Glaubitz  writes:

> We use FAI for that. 99% of our servers don't even have a CD drive
> anymore, just some of the older ones. And even if you want to install
> from CD, most modern servers provide a BMC with keyboard, mouse and
> video redirect over the network which also allows you to mount ISO
> files as virtual CDs.

Ah, BMC.  Now every computer comes with an extra full-fledged computer!
The main computer is for your use, and the other computer is for the use
of the attacker.

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Re: Debian default desktop environment

[John Paul Adrian Glaubitz]

On 04/07/2014 07:39 PM, Russ Allbery wrote:
> 
> Ah, BMC.  Now every computer comes with an extra full-fledged computer!
> The main computer is for your use, and the other computer is for the use
> of the attacker.

That's why we block the kvms in our firewall so they cannot be reached
from outside. I'm sorry, but when you have hundreds of servers in your
server room, there is no other way than using automatic deployment and
kvm over network.

We have one SGI Altix ICE 8200 system with 3 racks, 64 blades each
resulting in 192 servers which you are not installing manually
unless you want to lose your sanity.

And without a kvm, I'd have to run to the server room each time the
hardware crashes hard or similar problems.

Adrian

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Re: Debian default desktop environment

[Russ Allbery]

John Paul Adrian Glaubitz  writes:
> On 04/07/2014 07:39 PM, Russ Allbery wrote:

>> Ah, BMC.  Now every computer comes with an extra full-fledged computer!
>> The main computer is for your use, and the other computer is for the
>> use of the attacker.

> That's why we block the kvms in our firewall so they cannot be reached
> from outside. I'm sorry, but when you have hundreds of servers in your
> server room, there is no other way than using automatic deployment and
> kvm over network.

Oh, sure, I'm not disagreeing with that part.

Those built-in controller "subcomputers" have an absolutely awful security
profile, though.  Be careful even of attackers on your same network.  It's
a great way to get a toehold on your server in a way that won't show up
through any host-based intrusion detection system and lets the attacker
bypass all host and kernel security.

Basically, you want to disable them whenever possible and, failing that,
limit access to them as tightly as you possibly can.  They have about as
much security as the maintenance port on your car.

And, of course, non-free software from top to bottom.

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Re: Preparing openjpeg 2.0

[Jay Berkenbilt]

Jakub Wilk  wrote:

> * Mathieu Malaterre , 2014-03-24, 12:38:
>> I am preparing to upload openjpeg 2.0. This is a major API (yes API)
>> change from previous openjpeg 1.x.
>
> None of these openjpeg versions seem to use versioned symbols. If you
> want to have both in the archive at the same, then both should use
> them.

As has already been pointed out, with tiff, the two versions were almost
entirely API compatible.  Also, tiff didn't have versioned symbols
before the change, but upstream added versioned symbols to support the
change. Even adding version symbols by slapping a version on every
symbol is better than not having versioned symbols, and that turns out
to be a really easy change. You can probably convince upstream to do it
since none of the major Linux distributions are likely to be willing to
take this without them. At least that was the experience I had with
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Re: Debian default desktop environment

[Thomas Goirand]

On 04/08/2014 01:34 AM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
> On 04/07/2014 07:26 PM, Thomas Goirand wrote:
>> For a desktop use, probably. For server setup, please don't. The CD1 is
>> better than the netinst CD because... it doesn't need network!
> 
> You deploy your servers from a CD? Don't get me wrong, but installing
> from CD in an enterprise environment doesn't sound very professional
> to me.

Note a CD, a CD image, booted from the KVM over IP using virtual media
over LAN. That's a pretty common use case, especially using preseeding.

> And even if you want to install
> from CD, most modern servers provide a BMC with keyboard, mouse and
> video redirect over the network which also allows you to mount ISO
> files as virtual CDs.

That's what I'm using yes. Probably you should have read my message up
to its end, where I wrote: "I'm also unsure all my KVM over IPs support
images for DVDs rather than simply CD."

> In that case, you don't really care about whether
> it's a CD or DVD.

Even if they do, I don't see the point in using images 6 times the size
(takes longer to download and uses more storage for no improvement).

Thomas


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Re: Debian default desktop environment

[John Paul Adrian Glaubitz]

On 04/07/2014 08:24 PM, Thomas Goirand wrote:
> 
> That's what I'm using yes. Probably you should have read my message up
> to its end, where I wrote: "I'm also unsure all my KVM over IPs support
> images for DVDs rather than simply CD."

No need to be rude about that, ok? I missed that part. Jeez.

>> In that case, you don't really care about whether
>> it's a CD or DVD.
> 
> Even if they do, I don't see the point in using images 6 times the size
> (takes longer to download and uses more storage for no improvement).

Use FAI or Puppet, problem solved. Setting up a network boot
environment allows much quicker installation anyway.

For us, installing a machine involves:

- unpack the machine
- hook it up
- add new host to host database
- power on and set up machine for network boot
- done

Takes around 20 minutes for a server and no ISO images or CDs/DVDs
involved whatsoever.

Adrian

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Re: Debian default desktop environment

[Kevin Chadwick]

previously on this list Iain R. Learmonth contributed:

> The problem of integration is present, but now that I think about it, is
> likely more of an upstream problem than a packaging problem. I guess as
> more and more things use dbus, integration will become easier.

Perhaps but integration and universal interfacing is more of a design
issue and you could in many cases argue that dbus makes this worse
through adding an extra potentially non universal interface especially
for servers.

The job of dbus is for universal sockets and making life easier for
programmers that need that in handling the protocol for them and
shouldn't be thought of as anything magic or to promote good design. It
can make things cryptic to users and more effort to get a handle on
for users for a start.

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Re: Debian default desktop environment

[Kevin Chadwick]

previously on this list Wookey contributed:

> but I just wanted to repoy to correct the
> apparent misapprehension that XFCE doesn't do user-friendly monitor out
> of the box.

It is hardly a showstopper either and I expect xfce-4.10 does and as
there has been a long time of testing before 4.10 was released as
stable it is put at a bit of a disadvantage to Gnome and KDE for having
the same aims as debian stable with the bugs I have come across such as
in mimecache handling actually being down to gnome libraries. As
already said the control of this is very simple via *randr.

It also supports focus follows mouse, no raise on click which is
something inherited from fvwm and Gnome cannot do even with gnome
tweaks last time I checked and KDE had a bug open about it. I find that
very useful to make the most of even multiple desktops and more would
use it if they could.

Atleast with 'win98' (rediculous and no reply to justify so far) you
won't suddenly have users not knowing how to shutdown their machine
like happened on was it win 8 and Gnome 3.

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Re: Debian default desktop environment

[Adam D. Barratt]

On Wed, 2014-08-27 at 20:55 +0100, Kevin Chadwick wrote:

Please fix your clock.

Regards,

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Re: Debian default desktop environment

[Jakub Wilk]

* John Paul Adrian Glaubitz , 2014-04-07, 20:36:

No need to be rude about that, ok?


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Re: Debian default desktop environment

[John Paul Adrian Glaubitz]

On 04/07/2014 08:58 PM, Jakub Wilk wrote:
> * John Paul Adrian Glaubitz , 2014-04-07,
> 20:36:
>> No need to be rude about that, ok?
> 
> “Oho!” said the pot to the kettle;
> “You are dirty and ugly and black!”

I wasn't rude in my previous mail, if yes, quote please.

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Re: Debian default desktop environment

[Cyril Brulebois]

John Paul Adrian Glaubitz  (2014-04-07):
> On 04/07/2014 08:24 PM, Thomas Goirand wrote:
> > That's what I'm using yes. Probably you should have read my message
> > up to its end, where I wrote: "I'm also unsure all my KVM over IPs
> > support images for DVDs rather than simply CD."
> 
> No need to be rude about that, ok? I missed that part. Jeez.

It would make me very sad to see such aggressiveness continue.

(Maybe it's just me but calling people “not very professional” is
something I consider very rude; not Thomas' mentioning the fact that
the original text had sufficient context in its single paragraph.)

Mraw,
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Re: Debian default desktop environment

[John Paul Adrian Glaubitz]

On 04/07/2014 09:08 PM, Cyril Brulebois wrote:
> (Maybe it's just me but calling people “not very professional” is
> something I consider very rude; not Thomas' mentioning the fact that
> the original text had sufficient context in its single paragraph.)

Jeez, I said the method was not professional, not him. Don't put
thing into my mouth I didn't say.

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Re: Debian default desktop environment

[Kevin Chadwick]

previously on this list Adam D. Barratt contributed:

> Please fix your clock.
> 

Have you considered relying on your own clock? I use mail receive
order. Do you not get spam annoyingly staying at the top of your box?

Sorry if your client does not allow that or doesn't support maildir but
this is a linux box that I haven't had time to upgrade but I shall be
moving back to OpenBSD as soon as the new webkit packages hit the
mirrors (few days max most likely). On linux if the clock has been set
forward by accident then it stupidly requires root to do a manual fsck
and which I can't be bothered with hence since yesterday currently
always going forward, still can't find reverse.

Let's not bring up ntp, crappy bios (not crystal) etc. etc..

Regards

Kc

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Re: Debian default desktop environment

[Kevin Chadwick]

previously on this list Jakub Wilk contributed:

> * Gunnar Wolf , 2014-04-04, 23:22:
> >- Media player: mplayer (on libcaca, of course)
> 
> With its 4 RC bugs, it doesn't look like mplayer is going to be part of 
> jessie.
> 

I can't tell, is that sarcasm, I hope so as it is the only player hat
does certain things or has enough performance for some video on
some machines.



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Re: Debian default desktop environment

[Ben Hutchings]

On Mon, 2014-04-07 at 10:39 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
> John Paul Adrian Glaubitz  writes:
> 
> > We use FAI for that. 99% of our servers don't even have a CD drive
> > anymore, just some of the older ones. And even if you want to install
> > from CD, most modern servers provide a BMC with keyboard, mouse and
> > video redirect over the network which also allows you to mount ISO
> > files as virtual CDs.
> 
> Ah, BMC.  Now every computer comes with an extra full-fledged computer!
> The main computer is for your use, and the other computer is for the use
> of the attacker.

That ship sailed long ago. :-/

Some BMCs (like recent iDRAC) run Linux which means there may be some
opportunity for an outside project to modify and improve their security.

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Re: Debian default desktop environment

[Josselin Mouette]

Le mardi 08 avril 2014 à 01:26 +0800, Thomas Goirand a écrit :
> For a desktop use, probably. For server setup, please don't. The CD1 is
> better than the netinst CD because... it doesn't need network! And I
> prefer a smaller thing. I'm also unsure all my KVM over IPs support
> images for DVDs rather than simply CD.

This is a good argument for getting the desktop task out of CD#1.
Which would incidentally solve any size problem.

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Re: Debian default desktop environment

[Kevin Chadwick]

previously on this list Philip Hands contributed:

> As for my grumpy tone, I apologise for that -- it probably comes from
> the several voluminous threads on debian-devel recently spouting drivel
> about systemd which I may have unfairly associated with this thread.

If you think it's all drivel then I would suggest you do not understand
the issues raised or the opposing points of view of many.

https://plus.google.com/+TheodoreTso/posts/4W6rrMMvhWU

p.s. If you read far enough then please ignore the part about sudo
being coarse grained as it allows a far more fine grained approach than
the defaults of polkit and the rediculous pkexec with great
intuitive power to the user too. In any other case proper specific priv
sep should be used anyway.


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Bug#743887: ITP: direnv -- A utility to set directory specific environment variables

[Punit Agrawal]

Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Punit Agrawal 

* Package name: direnv
  Version : 2.3.0
  Upstream Author : Jonas Pfenniger
* URL : http://direnv.net/
* License : MIT
  Programming Lang: Go
  Description : A utility to set directory specific environment variables

direnv is a shell extension that loads different environment
variables depending on your path.

Instead of putting every environment variable in your
"~/.profile", have directory-specific ".envrc" files for your
AWSACCESSKEY, LIBRARY_PATH or other environment variables.

It does some of the job of rvm, rbenv or virtualenv but in a language-
agnostic way

I use this tool to set-up different environment variables for the projects
I build.

Javi (cc'd) has agreed to mentor this package and sponsor it when ready.


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Re: Debian default desktop environment

[Wookey]

+++ Kevin Chadwick [2014-08-27 20:55 +0100]:
> It also supports focus follows mouse, no raise on click 

I had forgotten, but this was the 'killer feature' that originally
switched me to XFCE, and to a significant degree keeps me there. So far
as I know gnome3, and unity don't support this (by design). The way that
XFCE is flexible enough to support most (all?) typical window-manager
usage modes is a point in its favour. You even get compositing and
transparency these days (if you ask for it).

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Re: Debian default desktop environment

[Paul Wise]

On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 3:22 AM, Ben Hutchings wrote:

> That ship sailed long ago. :-/
>
> Some BMCs (like recent iDRAC) run Linux which means there may be some
> opportunity for an outside project to modify and improve their security.

Do you have any references to this?
Are these iDRACs compliant with the GPL?

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Re: Debian default desktop environment

[Ben Hutchings]

On Tue, 2014-04-08 at 09:23 +0800, Paul Wise wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 3:22 AM, Ben Hutchings wrote:
> 
> > That ship sailed long ago. :-/
> >
> > Some BMCs (like recent iDRAC) run Linux which means there may be some
> > opportunity for an outside project to modify and improve their security.
> 
> Do you have any references to this?
> Are these iDRACs compliant with the GPL?

Probably, see 

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Re: Debian default desktop environment

[Chris Bannister]

On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 09:27:00PM +0100, Kevin Chadwick wrote:
> previously on this list Jakub Wilk contributed:
> 
> > * Gunnar Wolf , 2014-04-04, 23:22:
> > >- Media player: mplayer (on libcaca, of course)
> > 
> > With its 4 RC bugs, it doesn't look like mplayer is going to be part of 
> > jessie.
> > 
> 
> I can't tell, is that sarcasm, I hope so as it is the only player hat
> does certain things or has enough performance for some video on
> some machines.

apt-cache show mpv

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Bug#743902: ITP: gkrellm-tz -- This plugin for gkrellm displays current time in several configurable timezones

[Andreas Jimmy Gredler]

Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: "Andreas "Jimmy" Gredler" 


* Package name: gkrellm-tz
  Version : 0.8
  Upstream Author : Jiri Denemark
* URL : http://mamuti.net/gkrellm/gkrellm-tz.en.html
* License : GPL
  Programming Lang: C
  Description : This plugin for gkrellm displays current time in several 
configurable timezones

This plugin is very handy to show different timezones in gkrellm.


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Re: --> APT's New Version <--

[Игорь Пашев]

As for me I'd like to have "source" and "clean" subcommands for apt ;-)

(For aptitude too)


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