Re: wrong configuration in daemon

2013-06-17 Thread Luca Filipozzi
The hypothetical one you mentioned: Let's say a daemon provides POP and IMAP

On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 08:57:44PM -0400, Istimsak Abdulbasir wrote:
> If the daemon is configured to restart the service, then it will fail to
> execute.
> 
> What daemon is servicing both POP and IMAP?
> On Jun 16, 2013 2:40 PM, "Luca Filipozzi"  wrote:
> 
> > On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 08:28:18PM +0200, Salvo Tomaselli wrote:
> > > I have a question concerning a bugreport I got, but that could be quite
> > > general.
> > >
> > > Let's say a daemon provides POP and IMAP, and is configured to provide
> > both,
> > > in a pop.conf and imap.conf.
> > >
> > > How should the daemon ideally fail in case one of the two configuration
> > files
> > > is incorrect but the other is fine?
> > >
> > > Should it log the situation and start the service that it's able to
> > start? Or
> > > should it just not start at all?
> >
> > If it's a single process that listens on two ports (POP & IMAP) then I
> > would
> > not start at all.
> >
> > A system administrator is likely to interpret that a running process
> > indicates
> > success start.  What would trigger him to check that the process is
> > listening
> > on both ports.
> >
> > Also, in the start up script, how would you indicate that the daemon is
> > 'half
> > started'.
> >
> > Hope this helps,
> >
> > Luca
> >
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7.0-> 7.1: any reasons for switching from {4,5,6}.0.x scheme?

2013-06-17 Thread Praveen A
Hi,

Many were curious on diaspora about the change[1]. There is no
rationale given in release news[2] about this change. Was there some
major change in this release or did we change the version scheme? Any
pointers would be welcome.

Cheers
Praveen

[1] https://joindiaspora.com/posts/2732429
[2] http://www.debian.org/News/2013/20130615
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Re: RFH: two base wheezy bugs

2013-06-17 Thread Neil McGovern
On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 09:49:41AM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote:
> I'm at loss with what to do with #710047. (random freeze since wheezy)
> 

For info, I'm also experiencing this. I'm having quite a bit of trouble
tracking it down, though I *suspect* at the moment it may have something
to do with the Intel graphics drivers on Thinkpads.

Leave that one with me, I'll try and triage and reassign as appropriate.

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Re: RFH: two base wheezy bugs

2013-06-17 Thread Holger Levsen
reassign 708158 src:linux
thanks

Hi,

On Sonntag, 16. Juni 2013, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> >#708158 
> The submitter has posted a workaround ('options drm_kms_helper poll=N'
> in a file under /etc/modprobe.d/). Reassign to src:linux?

right, thanks, Andrei!

On Montag, 17. Juni 2013, Neil McGovern wrote:
> > I'm at loss with what to do with #710047. (random freeze since wheezy)
> For info, I'm also experiencing this. I'm having quite a bit of trouble
> tracking it down, though I *suspect* at the moment it may have something
> to do with the Intel graphics drivers on Thinkpads.
> 
> Leave that one with me, I'll try and triage and reassign as appropriate.

ok, thanks, Neil!


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Bug#712571: ITP: opam -- package manager for OCaml

2013-06-17 Thread Mehdi
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Mehdi Dogguy 


* Package name: opam
  Version : 1.0.0
  Upstream Author : OCamlPro
* URL : http://opam.ocamlpro.com/
* License : GPL3
  Programming Lang: OCaml
  Description : package manager for OCaml

 OPAM stands for OCaml PAckage Manager. It aims to suit to a vast number
 of users and use cases, and has unique features:
  * Powerful handling of dependencies: versions constraints, optional
dependencies, conflicts, etc.
  * Multiple repositories backends: HTTP, rsync, git
  * Ease to create packages and repositories
  * Ability to switch between different compiler versions
 .
 Typically, OPAM will probably make your life easier if you recognize
 yourself in at least one of these profiles:
  * You use multiple versions of the OCaml compiler, or you hack the compiler
yourself and needs to frequently switch between compiler versions.
  * You use or develop software that needs a specific and/or modified version
of the OCaml compiler to be installed.
  * You use or develop software that depends on a specific version of an OCaml
library, or you just want to install a specific version of a package, not
just the latest one.
  * You want to create your own packages yourself, put them on your own
repository, with minimal effort.


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Re: 7.0-> 7.1: any reasons for switching from {4,5,6}.0.x scheme?

2013-06-17 Thread Praveen A
2013/6/17 Neil McGovern :
> Hi,
>
> Given that the middle '0' was redundant, and we now do X.0 for all
> major releases, it was simply removed.
>
> (additionally, there were never any 4.0.x releases...)
>
> Neil

Thanks Neil for the clarification!
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Re: 7.0-> 7.1: any reasons for switching from {4,5,6}.0.x scheme?

2013-06-17 Thread Neil McGovern
On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 04:32:47PM +0530, Praveen A wrote:
> Many were curious on diaspora about the change[1]. There is no
> rationale given in release news[2] about this change. Was there some
> major change in this release or did we change the version scheme? Any
> pointers would be welcome.
> 

Hi,

Given that the middle '0' was redundant, and we now do X.0 for all
major releases, it was simply removed.

(additionally, there were never any 4.0.x releases...)

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Re: Current and upcoming toolchain changes for jessie

2013-06-17 Thread Matthias Klose
Am 15.06.2013 03:22, schrieb Stephan Schreiber:
> GCC-4.8 should become the default on ia64 soon; some other changes are 
> desirable:
> - The transition of gcc-4.8/libgcc1 to libunwind8.
> - A removal of the libunwind7 dependency of around 4600 packages on ia64 - 
> when
> they are updated next time after the transition. The libc6.1 should (likely)
> depend on libunwind8 after that in order to guarantee that libunwind8 is 
> installed.

unless some ia64 porter steps up, it doesn't make sense to invest time into the
ia64 port. So better drop ia64 now, and don't bother with libunwind on ia64.

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Re: 7.0-> 7.1: any reasons for switching from {4,5,6}.0.x scheme?

2013-06-17 Thread Christoph Berg
Re: Neil McGovern 2013-06-17 <20130617111457.gg22...@halon.org.uk>
> On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 04:32:47PM +0530, Praveen A wrote:
> > Many were curious on diaspora about the change[1]. There is no
> > rationale given in release news[2] about this change. Was there some
> > major change in this release or did we change the version scheme? Any
> > pointers would be welcome.
> > 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Given that the middle '0' was redundant, and we now do X.0 for all
> major releases, it was simply removed.

#712586

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Re: 7.0-> 7.1: any reasons for switching from {4,5,6}.0.x scheme?

2013-06-17 Thread Neil McGovern
On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 05:17:32PM +0200, Christoph Berg wrote:
> Re: Neil McGovern 2013-06-17 <20130617111457.gg22...@halon.org.uk>
> > On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 04:32:47PM +0530, Praveen A wrote:
> > > Many were curious on diaspora about the change[1]. There is no
> > > rationale given in release news[2] about this change. Was there some
> > > major change in this release or did we change the version scheme? Any
> > > pointers would be welcome.
> > > 
> > 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > Given that the middle '0' was redundant, and we now do X.0 for all
> > major releases, it was simply removed.
> 
> #712586
> 

So... why is postgres relying on an undocumented numbering schema, and
breaking when it doesn't match what it expects?

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Re: RFH: two base wheezy bugs

2013-06-17 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 11:22:50AM +0200, Daniel Pocock wrote:
> Being able to systematically link bugs to hardware would be useful, then
> other owners of the same hardware would (a) be able to check for outstanding
> bugs before upgrading (b) try to reproduce and confirm bugs

And if one uses more than one computer, then it's easy as a submitter to
forget on which machine you experienced the bug, later on down the line.
I did try to address this once using a usertags scheme as part of work on
'debgtd' which I've since abandoned (or at least parked for a long time.)


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Re: 7.0-> 7.1: any reasons for switching from {4,5,6}.0.x scheme?

2013-06-17 Thread Игорь Пашев
2013/6/17 Neil McGovern :
>> #712586
>>
>
> So... why is postgres relying on an undocumented numbering schema, and
> breaking when it doesn't match what it expects?


Why it checks for version at all? Isn't package dependencies should be used?

What about Debian derivatives?


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Re: 7.0-> 7.1: any reasons for switching from {4,5,6}.0.x scheme?

2013-06-17 Thread Marc Haber
On Mon, 17 Jun 2013 12:14:57 +0100, Neil McGovern 
wrote:
>Given that the middle '0' was redundant, and we now do X.0 for all
>major releases, it was simply removed.
>
>(additionally, there were never any 4.0.x releases...)

So sarge was a point release of woody?

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Re: 7.0-> 7.1: any reasons for switching from {4,5,6}.0.x scheme?

2013-06-17 Thread Simon McVittie
On 17/06/13 17:33, Marc Haber wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Jun 2013 12:14:57 +0100, Neil McGovern 
> wrote:
>> Given that the middle '0' was redundant, and we now do X.0 for all
>> major releases, it was simply removed.
> 
> So sarge was a point release of woody?

Neil did say "now". sarge was 8 years ago.

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Re: 7.0-> 7.1: any reasons for switching from {4,5,6}.0.x scheme?

2013-06-17 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Mon, June 17, 2013 18:03, Neil McGovern wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 05:17:32PM +0200, Christoph Berg wrote:
>> Re: Neil McGovern 2013-06-17 <20130617111457.gg22...@halon.org.uk>
>> > Given that the middle '0' was redundant, and we now do X.0 for all
>> > major releases, it was simply removed.
>> #712586
> So... why is postgres relying on an undocumented numbering schema, and
> breaking when it doesn't match what it expects?

Call it "undocumented" if you will, it is one of the prominent identifiers
of a Debian release and doesn't explain to me why this change couldn't
have been announced on d-d-a beforehand so people could adapt. The change
was also omitted from the point release announcement.

Our users have learned to understand that 3.0.0r1 means a point release.
This was changed with Lenny, so they've now learned that 5.0.1 is a point
release. And with Wheezy they suddenly are confronted with 7.1, yet
another change, and which means something vastly different from what 3.1
meant to them.

To add to the confusion the Release Team refers to Wheezy as "7.0" and
Jessie as "8.0". So 8.1 may or may not be "Jessie"? Who knows.

I'm really not sure what it buys us to change the scheme twice in the span
of four releases. For now I see churn in packages and confusion with our
users.


Cheers,
Thijs


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Re: 7.0-> 7.1: any reasons for switching from {4,5,6}.0.x scheme?

2013-06-17 Thread Adam D. Barratt

On 2013-06-17 17:51, Thijs Kinkhorst wrote:
Call it "undocumented" if you will, it is one of the prominent 
identifiers
of a Debian release and doesn't explain to me why this change 
couldn't
have been announced on d-d-a beforehand so people could adapt. The 
change

was also omitted from the point release announcement.


That was an oversight on my part, for which I apologise. The change had 
been planned for a while and I was sure that it had been announced 
(outside of being mentioned on #debian-release several times); I was 
obviously mistaken.


To add to the confusion the Release Team refers to Wheezy as "7.0" 
and

Jessie as "8.0". So 8.1 may or may not be "Jessie"? Who knows.


We're trying to stop doing so. Old habits die hard, as this thread 
demonstrates. (To the extent that we still tend to refer to a release as 
"r0", even though that scheme hasn't been used for years now.)


Regards,

Adam


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Re: 7.0-> 7.1: any reasons for switching from {4,5,6}.0.x scheme?

2013-06-17 Thread Clint Adams
On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 06:51:30PM +0200, Thijs Kinkhorst wrote:
> I'm really not sure what it buys us to change the scheme twice in the span
> of four releases. For now I see churn in packages and confusion with our
> users.

It buys us a non-stupid versioning scheme for once.


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Re: Bug#712539: ITP: encuentro -- Access the content of the Encuentro channel, and others

2013-06-17 Thread Thomas Koch
On Monday, June 17, 2013 12:57:34 AM Maximiliano Curia wrote:
> Package: wnpp
> Severity: wishlist
> Owner: Maximiliano Curia 
> 
> * Package name: encuentro
>   Version : 1.0
>   Upstream Author : Facundo Batista 
> * URL : http://encuentro.taniquetil.com.ar/
> * License : GPL-3
>   Programming Lang: Python
>   Description : Access the content of the Encuentro channel, and others
> 
> Encuentro is a small program that allows you to search, download and watch
> videos from the Encuentro argentinian channel. Since the content of the
> channel is completely in Spanish, so is this program.

We already have a few video download programs in the archive. Maybe upstream 
could be convinced to contribute to the upstream of one of the following 
packages instead of writing its own program:
cclive, clive, get-flash-videos, nomnom, youtube-dl, nicovideo-dl, get-iplayer, 
mediathekview

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Debian naming scheme

2013-06-17 Thread Nikolas Kallis

Hello,



I think Debian should stop releasing products as I.E 'Debian 7.0', and 
instead release them simply as I.E 'Debian 7', where its Debian version 
would be 7.0.


It makes it hard for me writing documentation for applications that run 
on Debian when I have to write it supports I.E 'Debian (7.0, 7.1)'.


Debian 7.0 and Debian 7.1 are the same operating system in essence 
anyhow. As is Windows 'XP BUILD 1XXX' and 'Windows XP BUILD 2XXX'.




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Re: Debian naming scheme

2013-06-17 Thread Matt Zagrabelny
On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 12:59 PM, Nikolas Kallis  wrote:
> Hello,
>
>
>
> I think Debian should stop releasing products as I.E 'Debian 7.0', and
> instead release them simply as I.E 'Debian 7', where its Debian version
> would be 7.0.
>
> It makes it hard for me writing documentation for applications that run on
> Debian when I have to write it supports I.E 'Debian (7.0, 7.1)'.

Could your documentation state, 'Debian 7.X' ?

-mz


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Re: Bug#712539: ITP: encuentro -- Access the content of the Encuentro channel, and others

2013-06-17 Thread Maximiliano Curia
¡Hola thomas!

El Monday, June 17, 2013 a las 19:14 escribiste:
> On Monday, June 17, 2013 12:57:34 AM Maximiliano Curia wrote:
> > * Package name: encuentro
> >   Version : 1.0
> >   Description : Access the content of the Encuentro channel, and
> >   others

> We already have a few video download programs in the archive. Maybe upstream
> could be convinced to contribute to the upstream of one of the following
> packages instead of writing its own program:
> cclive, clive, get-flash-videos, nomnom, youtube-dl, nicovideo-dl,
> get-iplayer, mediathekview

Most of them are are command line downloaders. encuentro is closer to miro, 
but instead of regular podcast the "conectate" network uses its own 
distribution protocol.

By looking at the packages' descriptions mediathekview is specific to the 
German public internet television, encuentro would be a similar thing but for 
Argentinian public television.

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Re: jessie release goal: verbose build logs

2013-06-17 Thread gregor herrmann
On Fri, 14 Jun 2013 14:14:39 +0200, Jakub Wilk wrote:

> >- File and track issues for packages not enabling verbose builds.
> >https://buildd.debian.org/~brlink/bytag/W-compiler-flags-hidden.html
> 
> I attached a dd-list for the lazy. But note that "false positives
> are possible, especially when building in parallel".
> 
> Debian Perl Group 
>libconvert-binary-c-perl

Fixed and uploaded.

>libhtml-template-pro-perl

False positive.

>libwx-scintilla-perl

Fixed in git. 


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Re: Bug#712539: ITP: encuentro -- Access the content of the Encuentro channel, and others

2013-06-17 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Mon, 2013-06-17 at 22:30 +0200, Maximiliano Curia wrote:
> ¡Hola thomas!
> 
> El Monday, June 17, 2013 a las 19:14 escribiste:
> > On Monday, June 17, 2013 12:57:34 AM Maximiliano Curia wrote:
> > > * Package name: encuentro
> > >   Version : 1.0
> > >   Description : Access the content of the Encuentro channel, and
> > >   others
> 
> > We already have a few video download programs in the archive. Maybe upstream
> > could be convinced to contribute to the upstream of one of the following
> > packages instead of writing its own program:
> > cclive, clive, get-flash-videos, nomnom, youtube-dl, nicovideo-dl,
> > get-iplayer, mediathekview
> 
> Most of them are are command line downloaders. encuentro is closer to miro, 
> but instead of regular podcast the "conectate" network uses its own 
> distribution protocol.
> 
> By looking at the packages' descriptions mediathekview is specific to the 
> German public internet television, encuentro would be a similar thing but for 
> Argentinian public television.

Are any of these service-specific downloader/viewer programs endorsed by
the operators of the service that they work with?  If not, is there not
a risk of trademark infringement by including the service name in the
program and package names?

Ben.

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Re: wrong configuration in daemon

2013-06-17 Thread Salvo Tomaselli
In data domenica 16 giugno 2013 18.39.46, Luca Filipozzi ha scritto:
> On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 08:28:18PM +0200, Salvo Tomaselli wrote:
> > I have a question concerning a bugreport I got, but that could be quite
> > general.
> > 
> > Let's say a daemon provides POP and IMAP, and is configured to provide
> > both, in a pop.conf and imap.conf.
> > 
> > How should the daemon ideally fail in case one of the two configuration
> > files is incorrect but the other is fine?
> > 
> > Should it log the situation and start the service that it's able to start?
> > Or should it just not start at all?
> 
> If it's a single process that listens on two ports (POP & IMAP) then I would
> not start at all.

> 
> A system administrator is likely to interpret that a running process
> indicates success start.  What would trigger him to check that the process
> is listening on both ports.

Yes I thought so, but on the other hand, it might be better for the overall 
system to still run some services than none at all.

Anyway I guess I'll see the code and send a patch upstream for that, and see 
what happens.

> Also, in the start up script, how would you indicate that the daemon is
> 'half started'.
You couldn't, you would just hope that the administrator should go through the 
logs once he notices that one specific service is not working properly.

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Recommend documentation

2013-06-17 Thread Salvo Tomaselli
I have noticed that a number of packages tend to recommend documentation, 
which is then by default normally installed.
Is there a policy for that?

See for example #648443

Using dpkg I found a number of latex -doc packages installed with 
recommends for the total size of 694MB.


The policy states:
> Recommends
> This declares a strong, but not absolute, dependency.
> The Recommends field should list packages that would be found together 
with this one in all but 
> unusual installations.

Are they to be considered bugs? Which priority should they have?

Personally I find the practice of recommending packages without a strong 
reason to be bad, what it usually does is to lead people who don't have 
lots of space (such as me on some other machines) to disable the automatic 
installation of recommended packages, then leading to problems in the cases 
when the recommend actually had a reason to be there. But what I want to know 
is if there is a way those should be handled.

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Re: RFH: two base wheezy bugs

2013-06-17 Thread Don Armstrong
On Sun, 16 Jun 2013, Daniel Pocock wrote:
> Being able to systematically link bugs to hardware would be useful,
> then other owners of the same hardware would (a) be able to check for
> outstanding bugs before upgrading (b) try to reproduce and confirm
> bugs

The summary feature could be used to do this. As most hardware-specific
bugs are kernel bugs, whatever the kernel team finds most useful is what
should be done.[1]

1: Kernel team: if this means adding user-values or some other
additional feature to the BTS, please let me know.
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bet, you can't win.
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Bug#712630: ITP: pyqt5 -- Python bindings for Qt5

2013-06-17 Thread Scott Kitterman
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Scott Kitterman 

* Package name: pyqt5
  Version : 5.0
  Upstream Author : Riverbank Computing Limited
* URL : http://www.riverbankcomputing.com/software/pyqt/download5
* License : GPLv3
  Programming Lang: Python
  Description : Python bindings for Qt5

 PyQt5 exposes the Qt5 API to Python and Python3. The following modules are 
supported:
  * QtCore
  * QtDBus
  * QtGui
  * QtNetwork
  * QtXmlPatterns
  * QtSvg
  * QtTest
  * QtWebKit
  * QtPrintSupport
  * QtWidgets
  * QtWebKitWidgets
  * QtHelp
  * QtTest
  * QtDesigner
  * QtOpenGL
  * QtSql 
  * phonon 

This will have binaries for both python and python3 as both are
supported.  DPMT will be the maintainer and I'll be an uploader.  Anyone
who wants to work on putting this together, please let me know.


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