Re: Bug#701585: marked as done (general: Can't select other languages)

[David Banks]

On 27/02/13 05:50, Paul Wise wrote:
> There is some info about Unicode coverage in Debian on this wiki page,
> at one point we had all of Unicode except Chinese (which has many
> thousands of characters) but Unicode moved on since then.
> 
> http://wiki.debian.org/Fonts/UnicodeCoverage

Is there anywhere on the wiki a table of recommended font packages,
arranged by language or script?  This would be really useful, as the
recommended package seems to change fairly often.

Cheers,
Dave


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Re: arm64 Debian/Ubuntu port image available

[Marcin Juszkiewicz]

W dniu 27.02.2013 03:10, Wookey pisze:
> State of the Debian/Ubuntu arm64 port
> =
> 
> *** Arm64 lives! ***

Congratulations Wookey (and everyone involved)!


>  * There is now a bootable (raring) image to download and run

> Once you've created a tarball chroot builds are simply done with 
> sbuild -c quantal-amd64-sbuild -d quantal --host=arm64  or 
> sbuild -c quantal-amd64-sbuild -d quantal --host=arm64 _  
> (I'd love it 

s/quantal/raring/ I think.



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Re: Bug#701585: marked as done (general: Can't select other languages)

[Paul Wise]

"recommended" is in the eye of the beholder, I personally like DejaVu
for latin characters but others detest it.

There is a page about fonts for the Debian installer though:

http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/GUIFonts

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Re: Bug#688772: [CTTE #688772] Dependency of meta-gnome on network-manager

[Neil McGovern]

On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 06:50:51PM -0500, Chris Knadle wrote:
> Instead the next suggestion was documenting this issue in the Wheey
> errata [2], but I don't see network- manager or wicd mentioned there,
> nor mentioned in the Installation Guide [3] for Wheezy.
> 

I'm guessing that's because no one has produced a patch, or stepped up
to help with the release notes (see
https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2013/01/msg5.html)

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Re: arm64 Debian/Ubuntu port image available

[Ian Campbell]

On Wed, 2013-02-27 at 02:10 +, Wookey wrote:
> 
> Setting up an arm64 build environment is very simple. Use sbuild-createchroot 
> or mk-sbuild
> and point at the bootstrap repo, with a bit of config and some updated tools 
> packages from
> the repo (amd64 only supplied). Details are given on
> https://wiki.linaro.org/Platform/DevPlatform/CrossCompile/arm64bootstrap 

I think these are missing a "dpkg --add-architecture arm64" at some
point before apt-get update / install crossbuild-essential-arm64 ?

I tried to adjust those instructions to something similar for Sid + the
debian-bootstrap repo but there were unmet dependencies of
crossbuild-essential-arm64 (libc, pkgbinarymangler), but I get the
impression that is to be expected at this stage?

Ian.
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Re: Bug#701585: marked as done (general: Can't select other languages)

[Guillem Jover]

On Tue, 2013-02-26 at 16:57:48 -0800, Russ Allbery wrote:
> Let alone http://www.columbia.edu/~fdc/utf8/ where I'm still missing:
> 
> Vietnamese (nôm) (only some characters)
> Mongolian (Classic)
> 
> These may actually be covered by fonts in Debian, but I don't know how to
> find them.

I think these should be covered somehow by fonts-freefont-ttf and
ttf-unifont.

Thanks,
Guillem


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Re: Bug#701585: marked as done (general: Can't select other languages)

[Guillem Jover]

On Wed, 2013-02-27 at 13:50:59 +0800, Paul Wise wrote:
> When we finally implement DEP-11, we will have the means to implement
> automatic font installation based on needed characters. Hopefully for
> jessie we will be able to catch up with Fedora, who have had this for
> a while now:
> 
> http://wiki.debian.org/DEP-11
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/AutomaticFontInstallation
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/AutoFontsAndMimeInstaller

Debtags already covers the fonts case, see the iso15924 and culture
facets. And as I've said in another thread, I don't agree DEP-11
as currently drafted, should be implemented, although I do agree
some other solution to that problem would be worthwhile.

Thanks,
Guillem


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Re: Bug#688772: [CTTE #688772] Dependency of meta-gnome on network-manager

[Michael Biebl]

On 27.02.2013 00:50, Chris Knadle wrote:
> When this was brought up in the bug report, the response was "network-manager 
> can be installed, then disabled", but how to do that wasn't documented 
> anywhere in the network-manager package.  Instead the next suggestion was 
> documenting this issue in the Wheey errata [2], but I don't see network-
> manager or wicd mentioned there, nor mentioned in the Installation Guide [3] 
> for Wheezy.
> 
> Suggestions?

I will try to add a section to README.Debian which should be re-usable
for the release notes / errata.

Neil, who should I contact getting those changes into the release notes?
If anyone is willing to review the text, even better.

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Re: Bug#688772: [CTTE #688772] Dependency of meta-gnome on network-manager

[Niels Thykier]

On 2013-02-27 13:39, Michael Biebl wrote:
> On 27.02.2013 00:50, Chris Knadle wrote:
>> When this was brought up in the bug report, the response was 
>> "network-manager 
>> can be installed, then disabled", but how to do that wasn't documented 
>> anywhere in the network-manager package.  Instead the next suggestion was 
>> documenting this issue in the Wheey errata [2], but I don't see network-
>> manager or wicd mentioned there, nor mentioned in the Installation Guide [3] 
>> for Wheezy.
>>
>> Suggestions?
> 
> I will try to add a section to README.Debian which should be re-usable
> for the release notes / errata.
> 
> Neil, who should I contact getting those changes into the release notes?
> If anyone is willing to review the text, even better.
> 
> Michael
> 

File a bug against "release-notes" should work[1]

~Niels

[1]
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=release-notes;dist=unstable



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Re: Bug#688772: [CTTE #688772] Dependency of meta-gnome on network-manager

[Neil McGovern]

On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 01:39:44PM +0100, Michael Biebl wrote:
> On 27.02.2013 00:50, Chris Knadle wrote:
> > When this was brought up in the bug report, the response was 
> > "network-manager 
> > can be installed, then disabled", but how to do that wasn't documented 
> > anywhere in the network-manager package.  Instead the next suggestion was 
> > documenting this issue in the Wheey errata [2], but I don't see network-
> > manager or wicd mentioned there, nor mentioned in the Installation Guide 
> > [3] 
> > for Wheezy.
> > 
> > Suggestions?
> 
> I will try to add a section to README.Debian which should be re-usable
> for the release notes / errata.
> 
> Neil, who should I contact getting those changes into the release notes?
> If anyone is willing to review the text, even better.
> 

The release-notes pseudopackage, and the debian-doc mailing list are
good places to start.
http://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/ddp/manuals/trunk/release-notes/
contains the actual source.

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Re: arm64 Debian/Ubuntu port image available

[Wookey]

+++ Ian Campbell [2013-02-27 12:00 +]:
> On Wed, 2013-02-27 at 02:10 +, Wookey wrote:
> > 
> > Setting up an arm64 build environment is very simple. Use 
> > sbuild-createchroot or mk-sbuild
> > and point at the bootstrap repo, with a bit of config and some updated 
> > tools packages from
> > the repo (amd64 only supplied). Details are given on
> > https://wiki.linaro.org/Platform/DevPlatform/CrossCompile/arm64bootstrap 
> 
> I think these are missing a "dpkg --add-architecture arm64" at some
> point before apt-get update / install crossbuild-essential-arm64 ?

Yes, good point. Now fixed on the wiki page, along with some
s/quantal/raring/ 

Sbuild will do this for you before updating/installing, but when doing
stuff manually in the chroot (as those instructions suggest for
pre-installing crossbuild-essential-arm64) you do indeed need to add
the foreign architecture(s).

> I tried to adjust those instructions to something similar for Sid + the
> debian-bootstrap repo but there were unmet dependencies of
> crossbuild-essential-arm64 (libc, pkgbinarymangler), but I get the
> impression that is to be expected at this stage?

You won't get anywhere in Sid at the moment: No prebuilt
cross-toolchain, and some of the multiarch info missing. If you
actually want to _use_ this (as opposed to fix it) then it has to be
raring. 

I had to choose between getting this working in vaguely finite time
and keeping both Debian and Ubuntu bootstraps in sync, so unstable
just got stuck at the 'toolchain bootstrap needed' stage. Is raring
useful to you or do you need sid? Once the toolchain is done it
shouldn't be _too_ much work to get Debian uptodate although there
will be a _lot_ of patched packages. 

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Re: arm64 Debian/Ubuntu port image available

[Ian Campbell]

On Wed, 2013-02-27 at 13:37 +, Wookey wrote:
> I had to choose between getting this working in vaguely finite time
> and keeping both Debian and Ubuntu bootstraps in sync, so unstable
> just got stuck at the 'toolchain bootstrap needed' stage.

That's quite reasonable

> Is raring useful to you or do you need sid? Once the toolchain is done it
> shouldn't be _too_ much work to get Debian uptodate although there
> will be a _lot_ of patched packages. 

Raring is fine, just reached for Debian out of habit etc.

To be honest I'm probably getting a little bit ahead of myself anyway --
I'm working on aarch64 guest support for Xen at the minute and your mail
prompted me to wonder how hard it would be to build the Xen tools for
arm64 in a multiarch environment, to some extent the toolchain is the
least of my worries ;-).

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Bug#701822: ITP: websockify -- WebSockets support for any application/server

[Thomas Goirand]

Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Thomas Goirand 

* Package name: websockify
  Version : 0.3.0
  Upstream Author : Joel Martin 
* URL : https://github.com/kanaka/websockify
* License : GPL-3
  Programming Lang: Python
  Description : WebSockets support for any application/server

 websockify was formerly named wsproxy and was part of the noVNC project.
 .
 At the most basic level, websockify just translates WebSockets traffic to
 normal socket traffic. Websockify accepts the WebSockets handshake, parses it,
 and then begins forwarding traffic between the client and the target in both
 directions.
 .
 Websockify supports all versions of the WebSockets protocol (Hixie and HyBi).
 The older Hixie versions of the protocol only support UTF-8 text payloads. In
 order to transport binary data over UTF-8 an encoding must used to encapsulate
 the data within UTF-8.
 .
 With Hixie clients, Websockify uses base64 to encode all traffic to and from
 the client. This does not affect the data between websockify and the server.
 .
 With HyBi clients, websockify negotiates whether to base64 encode traffic to
 and from the client via the subprotocol header (Sec-WebSocket-Protocol). The
 valid subprotocol values are 'binary' and 'base64' and if the client sends
 both then the server (the python implementation) will prefer 'binary'. The
 'binary' subprotocol indicates that the data will be sent raw using binary
 WebSocket frames. Some HyBi clients (such as the Flash fallback and older
 Chrome and iOS versions) do not support binary data which is why the
 negotiation is necessary.


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Re: Bug#701585: marked as done (general: Can't select other languages)

[Russ Allbery]

Guillem Jover  writes:
> On Tue, 2013-02-26 at 16:57:48 -0800, Russ Allbery wrote:

>> Let alone http://www.columbia.edu/~fdc/utf8/ where I'm still missing:

>> Vietnamese (nôm) (only some characters)
>> Mongolian (Classic)

>> These may actually be covered by fonts in Debian, but I don't know how
>> to find them.

> I think these should be covered somehow by fonts-freefont-ttf and
> ttf-unifont.

ttf-unifont did indeed cover Mongolian (Classic).  Thank you!  Alas, it's
still missing some characters in Vietnamese (nôm).  There's a note on the
page that the sample "Includes Unicode 3.1 (or later) characters beyond
Plane 0."

Some poking around Wikipedia reveals that what this page is referring to
is Chữ Nôm:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ch%E1%BB%AF_N%C3%B4m.  I suspect
the fonts I have installed have all of the borrowed Chinese characters but
are missing some of the additional characters unique to Chữ Nôm.  (It
doesn't appear to be particularly widely used.)

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Bug#701829: ITP: matlab2tikz -- converter of Octave plots to TikZ figures for integration into LaTeX

[Sébastien Villemot]

Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: "Sébastien Villemot" 

* Package name: matlab2tikz
  Version : 0.3.1
  Upstream Author : Nico Schlömer
* URL : https://github.com/nschloe/matlab2tikz
* License : BSD-2-clause
  Programming Lang: Octave
  Description : converter of Octave plots to TikZ figures (for integration 
into LaTeX)

matlab2tikz is an Octave script for converting Octave figures into native
TikZ/Pgfplots figures, which can then easily be incorporated into a LaTeX
document. It supports the conversion of most Octave figures, including 2D and
3D plots.

This package is also compatible with the (nonfree) MATLAB software.


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Re: Bug#701585: marked as done (general: Can't select other languages)

[Adam Borowski]

On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 01:50:59PM +0800, Paul Wise wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 8:57 AM, Russ Allbery wrote:
> 
> > Amen to this.  I care a lot about having fairly complete Unicode coverage
> > in my display fonts, and I've often had to trawl through aptitude to try
> > to guess at which font packages I need to install just to, for example,
> > see the front page of Wikipedia without annoying empty squares.
> ...
> > These may actually be covered by fonts in Debian, but I don't know how to
> > find them.
> 
> When we finally implement DEP-11, we will have the means to implement
> automatic font installation based on needed characters. Hopefully for
> jessie we will be able to catch up with Fedora, who have had this for
> a while now:

This seems wrong to me.  Adding complex schemes to text-drawing backends
sounds like something fragile.  It will slow stuff down, and add surprising
modes of failure as well.

ttf-unifont covers all of Plane 0 (with a lag for new additions) while
taking 6.9MB.  It doesn't look great, but it at least gets rid of those
empty squares.  You can then install better fonts for any ranges you'd want
to use -- it may even be good to install them by default for any popular
languages.  Unlike the minimal installation that's best kept slim, any
device that has a GUI and uses tasksel won't even notice the disk space
taken by several additional fonts.

It'd leave fringe scripts like, say, Tifinagh (used by some Berber activists
in northern Africa, but not for everyday communications) or Futhark (dead
since middle ages, used in Old English, Old Norse and my .sig) which will
have to do with unifont until the user takes a manual action.

Installing ttf-unifont seems like a no-brainer to me: 6.9MB for coverage of
all live scripts.  It'd break your proposal, though: font installation won't
trigger since there's a working, legible (but ugly) character already
available.

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Re: Bug#688772: [CTTE #688772] Dependency of meta-gnome on network-manager

[Chris Knadle]

On Wednesday, February 27, 2013 07:39:44, Michael Biebl wrote:
> On 27.02.2013 00:50, Chris Knadle wrote:
> > When this was brought up in the bug report, the response was
> > "network-manager can be installed, then disabled", but how to do that
> > wasn't documented anywhere in the network-manager package.  Instead the
> > next suggestion was documenting this issue in the Wheey errata [2], but
> > I don't see network- manager or wicd mentioned there, nor mentioned in
> > the Installation Guide [3] for Wheezy.
> > 
> > Suggestions?
> 
> I will try to add a section to README.Debian which should be re-usable
> for the release notes / errata.

Thanks much.

> Neil, who should I contact getting those changes into the release notes?
> If anyone is willing to review the text, even better.

I'd certainly be willing to help with that.

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Re: Bug#701585: marked as done (general: Can't select other languages)

[Guillem Jover]

On Wed, 2013-02-27 at 09:17:05 -0800, Russ Allbery wrote:
> Guillem Jover  writes:
> > I think these should be covered somehow by fonts-freefont-ttf and
> > ttf-unifont.
> 
> ttf-unifont did indeed cover Mongolian (Classic).  Thank you!

You're welcome, I also get bothered by this. :)

> Alas, it's still missing some characters in Vietnamese (nôm).  There's
> a note on the page that the sample "Includes Unicode 3.1 (or later)
> characters beyond Plane 0."
> 
> Some poking around Wikipedia reveals that what this page is referring to
> is Chữ Nôm:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ch%E1%BB%AF_N%C3%B4m.  I suspect
> the fonts I have installed have all of the borrowed Chinese characters but
> are missing some of the additional characters unique to Chữ Nôm.  (It
> doesn't appear to be particularly widely used.)

Right, I checked the URL you pointed out, and the unifont site seemed
to indicate it provides some glyphs for nôm, but was not sure if it was
complete, and found  (from
your URL), although I'm not sure about the license, so didn't bother
downloading it. Might be worth taking a look, and possibly contacting
the project for clarification or a possible relicense.

Thanks,
Guillem


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Re: arm64 Debian/Ubuntu port image available

[Cláudio Sampaio]

On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 11:10 PM, Wookey  wrote:

> State of the Debian/Ubuntu arm64 port
> =
>
> *** Arm64 lives! ***
>

Hi,

Is there any device with Aarch64 on sale? I couldn't find any, only some
mentions from Calxeda.
Would you mind to provide suggestions of any seller which sells through the
internet?

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Re: Bug#701585: marked as done (general: Can't select other languages)

[Jonas Smedegaard]

Quoting Guillem Jover (2013-02-27 22:14:39)
> On Wed, 2013-02-27 at 09:17:05 -0800, Russ Allbery wrote:
> > Guillem Jover  writes:
> > > I think these should be covered somehow by fonts-freefont-ttf and 
> > > ttf-unifont.
> > 
> > ttf-unifont did indeed cover Mongolian (Classic).  Thank you!
> 
> You're welcome, I also get bothered by this. :)
> 
> > Alas, it's still missing some characters in Vietnamese (nôm).  
> > There's a note on the page that the sample "Includes Unicode 3.1 (or 
> > later) characters beyond Plane 0."
> > 
> > Some poking around Wikipedia reveals that what this page is 
> > referring to is Chữ Nôm: 
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ch%E1%BB%AF_N%C3%B4m.  I suspect the 
> > fonts I have installed have all of the borrowed Chinese characters 
> > but are missing some of the additional characters unique to Chữ Nôm.  
> > (It doesn't appear to be particularly widely used.)
> 
> Right, I checked the URL you pointed out, and the unifont site seemed 
> to indicate it provides some glyphs for nôm, but was not sure if it 
> was complete, and found  
> (from your URL), although I'm not sure about the license, so didn't 
> bother downloading it. Might be worth taking a look, and possibly 
> contacting the project for clarification or a possible relicense.

I contacted a vietnamese friend of mine - Hong Phuc, the organiser of 
FossAsia - about this, and she will try locate a Free nôm font.


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Re: arm64 Debian/Ubuntu port image available

[Lennart Sorensen]

On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 06:38:55PM -0300, Cláudio Sampaio wrote:
> Is there any device with Aarch64 on sale? I couldn't find any, only some
> mentions from Calxeda.
> Would you mind to provide suggestions of any seller which sells through the
> internet?

There are none for sale yet.  I believe some prototype chips exist,
as does an emulator from ARM.

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Re: Bug#701585: marked as done (general: Can't select other languages)

[Paul Wise]

On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 1:17 AM, Russ Allbery wrote:

> Some poking around Wikipedia reveals that what this page is referring to
> is Chữ Nôm:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ch%E1%BB%AF_N%C3%B4m.  I suspect
> the fonts I have installed have all of the borrowed Chinese characters but
> are missing some of the additional characters unique to Chữ Nôm.  (It
> doesn't appear to be particularly widely used.)

I get zero squares from that wikipedia page, because:

爫 is supported by ttf-wqy-zenhei
𧘇 is supported by fonts-arphic-ukai
𡗶 is supported by fonts-hanazono
𠀧 is supported by fonts-hanazono

And I have several other CJK fonts installed for the borrowed characters.

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Re: Bug#701585: marked as done (general: Can't select other languages)

[Paul Wise]

On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 2:17 AM, Adam Borowski wrote:

> This seems wrong to me.  Adding complex schemes to text-drawing backends
> sounds like something fragile.  It will slow stuff down, and add surprising
> modes of failure as well.

The schemes have already been implemented in PackageKit and added to
Debian, we are just missing the metadata (which would be provided by
DEP-11 support in font packages). I'm not in a position to be able to
judge how well it works, haven't tried Fedora at all. You might want
to install it on a spare computer and visit some Wikipedia language
pages.

Personally I would not inflict ttf-unifont on other people.

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Re: Bug#701585: marked as done (general: Can't select other languages)

[Russ Allbery]

Paul Wise  writes:

> I get zero squares from that wikipedia page, because:

> 爫 is supported by ttf-wqy-zenhei
> 𧘇 is supported by fonts-arphic-ukai
> 𡗶 is supported by fonts-hanazono
> 𠀧 is supported by fonts-hanazono

fonts-hanazono did it.  Thanks!

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