Re: Re: The mingw* mess in Debian

[Fabian Greffrath]

gcc-mingw32 is no longer a build-dependency of any package in Debian
so I'll probably dispose of it with the next gcc-mingw-w64 upload (which
will include a transition package).


That's great news!


I was thinking more along the lines of mingw-w64-win32 and mingw-w64-win64 so
that the API names appear in the package names. For people who know about


The mingw-w64 project page's headline announces "GCC for both x64 & 
x86 Windows", in the FAQ section they insist on using the GNU tuples 
or talk about "32bit or 64bit windows" and in the Download section 
they offer "Toolchains targetting Win32" and "Toolchains targetting 
Win64". So it seems even upstream also lacks a consistent naming sheme. :/



32-bit packages (lots of people don't realise mingw-w64 targets 32-bit
Windows too; it seems the package description isn't sufficient).


Yes, the package descriptions might need some improvement. This is how 
mingw-w64 introduces itself on its own project home page:


"The project's goal is to deliver runtime, headers, and libs for 
developing 64 bit (x64), as well as 32 bit (x86), windows applications 
using gcc-4.6 or newer versions."



i think that pretty much hits it. ;)

 - Fabian


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Re: Re: The mingw* mess in Debian

[Fabian Greffrath]

gcc-mingw32 is no longer a build-dependency of any package in Debian
so I'll probably dispose of it with the next gcc-mingw-w64 upload (which
will include a transition package).


That's great news!


I was thinking more along the lines of mingw-w64-win32 and mingw-w64-win64 so
that the API names appear in the package names. For people who know about


The mingw-w64 project page's headline announces "GCC for both x64 & 
x86 Windows", in the FAQ section they insist on using the GNU tuples 
or talk about "32bit or 64bit windows" and in the Download section 
they offer "Toolchains targetting Win32" and "Toolchains targetting 
Win64". So it seems even upstream also lacks a consistent naming sheme. :/



32-bit packages (lots of people don't realise mingw-w64 targets 32-bit
Windows too; it seems the package description isn't sufficient).


Yes, the package descriptions might need some improvement. This is how 
mingw-w64 introduces itself on its own project home page:


"The project's goal is to deliver runtime, headers, and libs for 
developing 64 bit (x64), as well as 32 bit (x86), windows applications 
using gcc-4.6 or newer versions."



i think that pretty much hits it. ;)

 - Fabian


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Bug#649897: ITP: horizon -- OpenStack Dashboard

[Julien Danjou]

Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Julien Danjou 

* Package name: horizon
  Version : 2012.1~e1
  Upstream Author : 2011 OpenStack, LLC.
* URL : http://launchpad.net/horizon
* License : Apache-2
  Programming Lang: Python
  Description : OpenStack Dashboard

Horizon is the official OpenStack Dashboard. It is based on a Django module
called django-openstack.



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Bug#649903: ITP: php-xml-beautifier -- Beautify XML code and make it easier to read

[Mathias Ertl]

Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Mathias Ertl 

* Package name: php-xml-beautifier
  Version : 1.2.2
  Upstream Author : Chuck Burgess 
* URL : http://pear.php.net/package/XML_Beautifier
* License : BSD
  Programming Lang: PHP
  Description : Beautify XML code and make it easier to read

XML_Beautifier will add indentation and linebreaks to you XML files, replace all
entities, format your comments and makes your document easier to read.
You can influence the way your document is beautified with several options,
ranging from indentation to changing the case of tags and normalizing your
comments.



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daily build 24/11/11

[Richard]

Hi
I noticed that it was unable to find a network and obtain an address with dhcp.

the build on 20/11/11 was OK
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users& groups

[Richard]

Hi
the app users & groups is missing on the daily build 20/11/11, is this to added 
 later ?
I can always grab it from squeeze if needed.
thanks
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users and groups

[Richard]

Hi please ignore my previous mail.

It wasn't where or what I expected, but logical once located.

Sorry for the wasted bandwidth
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Re: Re: Want to become a DM and co-maintainer

[Svante Signell]

Replying to the list archive mail, since I'm currently not subscribed to
debian-devel.
 
> From: Thomas Weber 
> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 21:43:40 +0100
> On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 08:54:24PM +0100, Svante Signell wrote:
> > Where/how to apply to become a co-maintainer and a maintainer? The
> > packages I'm interested into start with are: gnuradio and octave.
> 
> Octave is group-maintained, the group's list is at 
> http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-octave-devel/2011-November/thread.html
> 
> If you want to join, create an account on alioth and request to join the
> group.

Thank you for your reply. How can I obtain an alioth account? Are these
only available for DMs, or for wannabes too?

> The above is a bit terse, so feel free to ask me if you need further
> information.

Will do, thanks!


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Re: Re: Want to become a DM and co-maintainer

[Samuel Thibault]

Svante Signell, le Thu 24 Nov 2011 22:31:25 +0100, a écrit :
> > If you want to join, create an account on alioth and request to join the
> > group.
> 
> Thank you for your reply. How can I obtain an alioth account? Are these
> only available for DMs, or for wannabes too?

See alioth.debian.org: anybody can get one. It's getting added to a
group which is more difficult :) (but in your case, we'll probably just
do it for the porting group).

Samuel


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Re: Re: Want to become a DM and co-maintainer

[Samuel Thibault]

Svante Signell, le Thu 24 Nov 2011 23:27:00 +0100, a écrit :
> On Thu, 2011-11-24 at 22:55 +0100, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> > Svante Signell, le Thu 24 Nov 2011 22:31:25 +0100, a écrit :
> > > > If you want to join, create an account on alioth and request to join the
> > > > group.
> > > 
> > > Thank you for your reply. How can I obtain an alioth account? Are these
> > > only available for DMs, or for wannabes too?
> > 
> > See alioth.debian.org: anybody can get one. It's getting added to a
> > group which is more difficult :) (but in your case, we'll probably just
> > do it for the porting group).
> 
> Are you referring to the Debian GNU/Hurd port project? Looking at that
> one there does not seem to be many activities in the mailing lists,
> patches or bug reports lately.

Indeed, the activity usually happens on debian-hurd, simply.

> I'm interested in contributing to (packaging) GNU/Octave too. Is there a
> porting group for Octave? Otherwise I'll apply to join the Debian Octave
> group: .../project/pkg-octave/

That's probably it.

Samuel


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Re: Re: Want to become a DM and co-maintainer

[Svante Signell]

On Thu, 2011-11-24 at 22:55 +0100, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> Svante Signell, le Thu 24 Nov 2011 22:31:25 +0100, a écrit :
> > > If you want to join, create an account on alioth and request to join the
> > > group.
> > 
> > Thank you for your reply. How can I obtain an alioth account? Are these
> > only available for DMs, or for wannabes too?
> 
> See alioth.debian.org: anybody can get one. It's getting added to a
> group which is more difficult :) (but in your case, we'll probably just
> do it for the porting group).

Are you referring to the Debian GNU/Hurd port project? Looking at that
one there does not seem to be many activities in the mailing lists,
patches or bug reports lately.

I'm interested in contributing to (packaging) GNU/Octave too. Is there a
porting group for Octave? Otherwise I'll apply to join the Debian Octave
group: .../project/pkg-octave/


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Re: daily build 24/11/11

[Martin Bagge / brother]

On Thu, 24 Nov 2011, Richard wrote:


I noticed that it was unable to find a network and obtain an address with dhcp.

the build on 20/11/11 was OK


Either you do proper bug reports or you stop sending these things to 
debian-devel@.
The proper bug reports you are planning to do; do not send them to 
debian-devel@, they will get here if needed be. Send them straight to the 
bug tracker.


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Re: Increasing minimum 'i386' processor

[Kurt Roeckx]

On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 08:48:08PM +, Ben Hutchings wrote:
> /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/i486/libcrypto.so.1.0.0: cpuid
> /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/i486/libcrypto.so.1.0.0: rdtsc

I should probably drop that i486 variant anyway, since i486
is already the default.  I should also consider dropping the
i586 variant.


Kurt


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Work-needing packages report for Nov 25, 2011

[wnpp]

The following is a listing of packages for which help has been requested
through the WNPP (Work-Needing and Prospective Packages) system in the
last week.

Total number of orphaned packages: 390 (new: 1)
Total number of packages offered up for adoption: 140 (new: 0)
Total number of packages requested help for: 65 (new: 0)

Please refer to http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/ for more information.



The following packages have been orphaned:

   shorlfilter (#649628), orphaned 2 days ago
 Description: Text filter to shorten long URLs using online
   redirection database
 Installations reported by Popcon: 26

389 older packages have been omitted from this listing, see
http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/orphaned for a complete list.



No new packages have been given up for adoption, but a total of 140 packages
are awaiting adoption.  See http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/rfa_bypackage
for a complete list.



For the following packages help is requested:

   apache2 (#646208), requested 33 days ago
 Description: Apache HTTP Server
 Reverse Depends: aegis-web apache2 apache2-dbg apache2-mpm-event
   apache2-mpm-itk apache2-mpm-prefork apache2-mpm-worker
   apache2-prefork-dev apache2-suexec apache2-suexec-custom (179 more
   omitted)
 Installations reported by Popcon: 60071

   apt-xapian-index (#567955), requested 661 days ago
 Description: maintenance tools for a Xapian index of Debian packages
 Reverse Depends: adept ept-cache fuss-launcher packagesearch
 Installations reported by Popcon: 48866

   ara (#450876), requested 1474 days ago
 Description: utility for searching the Debian package database
 Installations reported by Popcon: 104

   asymptote (#517342), requested 1000 days ago
 Description: script-based vector graphics language inspired by
   MetaPost
 Installations reported by Popcon: 2910

   athcool (#278442), requested 2585 days ago
 Description: Enable powersaving mode for Athlon/Duron processors
 Installations reported by Popcon: 97

   balsa (#642906), requested 60 days ago
 Description: An e-mail client for GNOME
 Reverse Depends: balsa-dbg debreaper
 Installations reported by Popcon: 274

   bastille (#592137), requested 474 days ago
 Description: Security hardening tool
 Installations reported by Popcon: 270

   boinc (#511243), requested 1050 days ago
 Description: BOINC distributed computing
 Reverse Depends: boinc boinc-app-milkyway boinc-app-seti boinc-dbg
 Installations reported by Popcon: 1870

   cardstories (#624100), requested 213 days ago
 Description: Find out a card using a sentence made up by another
   player
 Installations reported by Popcon: 7

   chromium-browser (#583826), requested 543 days ago
 Description: Chromium browser
 Reverse Depends: chromium chromium-browser chromium-browser-dbg
   chromium-browser-inspector chromium-browser-l10n chromium-dbg
   chromium-l10n gecko-mediaplayer mozplugger
 Installations reported by Popcon: 9387

   cryptsetup (#600777), requested 400 days ago
 Description: configures encrypted block devices
 Reverse Depends: cryptsetup cryptsetup-udeb libcryptsetup-dev
   libguestfs0 libpam-mount ltsp-client mandos-client partman-crypto-dm
   rescue-mode systemd
 Installations reported by Popcon: 7143

   cvs (#354176), requested 2100 days ago
 Description: Concurrent Versions System
 Reverse Depends: cvs-autoreleasedeb cvs-buildpackage cvs2cl cvs2html
   cvschangelogbuilder cvsconnect cvsd cvsps cvsservice cvssuck (8 more
   omitted)
 Installations reported by Popcon: 18227

   dctrl-tools (#448284), requested 1489 days ago
 Description: Command-line tools to process Debian package
   information
 Reverse Depends: aptfs debian-goodies debtree dlocate
   haskell-devscripts javahelper libsbuild-perl linux-patch-debianlogo
   postgresql-server-dev-all simple-cdd (1 more omitted)
 Installations reported by Popcon: 14783

   debtags (#567954), requested 661 days ago
 Description: Enables support for package tags
 Reverse Depends: goplay packagesearch
 Installations reported by Popcon: 2638

   doc-central (#566364), requested 670 days ago
 Description: web-based documentation browser
 Installations reported by Popcon: 233

   dpkg (#282283), requested 2559 days ago
 Description: dselect: a user tool to manage Debian packages
 Reverse Depends: a2ps acct ace-gperf acl2-doc
   ada-reference-manual-info adacontrol advi advi-examples alien
   alqalam (651 more omitted)
 Installations reported by Popcon: 118589

   elvis (#432298), requested 1599 days ago
 Description: powerful clone of the vi/ex text ed

Re: The mingw* mess in Debian

[Stephen Kitt]

On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 16:17:32 +0100, Fabian Greffrath 
wrote:
> > 32-bit packages (lots of people don't realise mingw-w64 targets 32-bit
> > Windows too; it seems the package description isn't sufficient).
> 
> Yes, the package descriptions might need some improvement. This is how 
> mingw-w64 introduces itself on its own project home page:
> 
> "The project's goal is to deliver runtime, headers, and libs for 
> developing 64 bit (x64), as well as 32 bit (x86), windows applications 
> using gcc-4.6 or newer versions."
> 
> 
> i think that pretty much hits it. ;)

What I meant originally was more along the lines of "the package description
isn't sufficient, the package name has to be made clearer". Currently the
mingw-w64 package's description is

"MinGW-w64 provides a development and runtime environment for 32- and 64bit
Windows applications using the GNU Compiler Collection (gcc)."

which seems to me quite similar to the description you quote - the only
missing information is the x86/x64 nomenclature. It might also make sense to
mention the "Windows API" as it is now known (see
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/Aa383723 for details).

I'm actually undecided regarding the -win32 and -win64 suffixes: while it's
probably a good thing to have at least win32 in the 32-bit package names,
using those two suffixes is restrictive at least in theory: the API itself is
pretty much the same, and Windows supports x86, x64 (x86_64), IA-64 (Itanium)
and presumably some form of ARM processors soon... So your original -i686 and
-x86_64 might be more future-proof. The MinGW-w64 project's site has links to
"WIN32" and "WIN64" downloads, but none of the packages use those terms. The
automated builds use "mingw-w32" for the 32-bit target package, "mingw-w64"
for the 64-bit target package, and i686/x86_64 is used to indicate the host
CPU! rubenvb's personal builds use i686-w64-mingw32/x86_64-w64-mingw32 to
specify the target, and sezero's follow the automated builds' naming
convention.

So there's precedent for using mingw-w32 and mingw-w64, but that would
probably generate more confusion with the similarity to mingw32. I'd vote for
mingw-w64-i686 and mingw-w64-x86_64 in the end, based on the following:
* the upstream project's name is MinGW-w64, hence the mingw-w64 name
* the target CPUs are currently i686 and x86_64
* we don't differentiate Win32 and Win64 because there's no real difference
  in the APIs
* this allows future support for ARM and/or IA-64 without renaming existing
  packages.
In the Windows world i?86 is known as x86 and x86_64 is x64, so those names
should appear in the description.

How about the following base description:

  MinGW-w64 provides a development and runtime environment for 32- and 64-bit
  (x86 and x64) Windows applications using the Windows API and the GNU
  Compiler Collection (gcc).

  This metapackage provides the full MinGW-w64 development environment.

(The binutils, gcc and gdb packages would be updated to suit.)

As far as the packages are concerned, the mingw-w64 source package would
produce mingw-w64, mingw-w64-i686, mingw-w64-x86_64, the corresponding three
-dev variants and a single -tools package (since that varies only by host
architecture); gcc-mingw-w64 would produce all the gcc-based packages
(gcc-mingw-w64, gcc-mingw-w64-i686, gcc-mingw-w64-x86_64; I'm also splitting
the package up into gcc, g++, gnat, gfortran etc.) including the transitional
gcc-mingw32 package; likewise binutils-mingw-w64 and gdb-mingw-w64.

Regards,

Stephen


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Re: daily build 24/11/11

[Richard]

On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 00:07:26 +0100 (CET)
Martin Bagge / brother  wrote:

> On Thu, 24 Nov 2011, Richard wrote:
> 
> > I noticed that it was unable to find a network and obtain an address with 
> > dhcp.
> >
> > the build on 20/11/11 was OK
> 
> Either you do proper bug reports or you stop sending these things to 
> debian-devel@.
> The proper bug reports you are planning to do; do not send them to 
> debian-devel@, they will get here if needed be. Send them straight to the 
> bug tracker.
> 
> Thanks!
> 

I was always under the impression it was worth checking with others before 
raising a bug, and keeping
the volume of bug request down.
I joined the list as I wanted to contribute something albeit regarded as a 
waste.
Maybe best to unsubscribe

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Re: armhf and s390x

[Mike Hommey]

On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 10:14:59PM +, Mark Hymers wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Earlier today, two new architectures had their base systems bootstrapped
> into unstable.  These new architectures are armhf and s390x.
> 
> armhf went onto the mirrors with the 1952 dinstall mirror pulse and
> s390x will follow in the 0152 dinstall mirror pulse.
> 
> Over the next days and weeks, the architectures will build the rest
> of the archive and the initial bootstrap packages will be rebuilt.
> 
> Migration of armhf and s390x into testing is up to the release team and
> will begin in due course.

Do we have porterboxes for these new architectures?

Mike


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Re: armhf and s390x

[Paul Wise]

On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 2:58 PM, Mike Hommey wrote:

> Do we have porterboxes for these new architectures?

http://db.debian.org/machines.cgi?host=harris

For s390x, according to the archive qualification page, there will be
a chroot on zelenka:

http://wiki.debian.org/ArchiveQualification/s390x
http://db.debian.org/machines.cgi?host=zelenka

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