Re: Spending Debian money for porter boxes [Was: The archive now supports xz compression]

[Martin Zobel-Helas]

Hi, 

On Sat Aug 20, 2011 at 20:45:18 +0200, Mike Hommey wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 09:19:02PM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
> > On 11/08/11 at 19:52 +, Philipp Kern wrote:
> > > On 2011-08-11, Adam Borowski  wrote:
> > > >> Think of both user systems and the Debian buildds which will waste more
> > > >> time - an especially bad problem on slower architectures.
> > > > The gain is especially meaningful for slower architectures, as they 
> > > > tend to
> > > > have less disk space and slower network links (arm tends to be used in
> > > > phones).  No extra memory is needed -- decompression is not done in 
> > > > parallel
> > > > with memory-hungry stages of dpkg's work.  The decompression, merely 2.5
> > > > times slower than with gzip, is a tiny fraction of what dpkg takes.
> > > 
> > > It takes a lot longer to compress on slower architectures (i.e. on the
> > > buildds), though.  You could've built a whole package in that time.  
> > > (Resorting
> > > to your style of argument.)
> > 
> > Wouldn't it be better to get more buildds for those archs, then?
> > That would be a totally appropriate use of Debian money...

_Personaly_ i think, Debian has more than enough machines. Adding more
machines just to have packages build faster is not a proper solution.
Please keep in mind you need someone to admin those machines.

Also please keep in mind that most hardware for architectures like arm,
mips, mipsel we got are not 'end user hardware' but development boards
and thus have other specs than the end user hardware. The kernel team in
the past and in the present denied to build yet another kernel flavour
for those machines, and this way DSA needs to take care of having up to
date kernels for those machines. This is a no-option.

IF you want to have more hardware, find boards that are/will be
supported by the kernel team and ship them to existing hosting places.
Yet another hosting in someones basement is not an option for a project
machines.


Just my 2¢,

Martin
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Re: Bug#638808: ITP: daimonin -- Daimonin is a fantasy MMORPG (Massively Multiplayer Online Role-playing Game) which features a large gameworld with engaging background, and is developing many fun and

[Evgeni Golov]

Hi,

On 08/22/2011 04:02 AM, Franklin Barnett wrote:

> * Package name: daimonin
>   Version : 0.10.5
>   Upstream Author : Michael Toennies 
> * URL : http://www.daimonin.org/
>   Description : Daimonin is a fantasy MMORPG (Massively Multiplayer Online
> Role-playing Game) which features a large gameworld with engaging background,
> and is developing many fun and unique features. It has a 2D-isometric
> perspective.
> 
> Daimonin is open-source and accepts user-contributed content such as maps,
> music, art, code, and writing. It is currently in its fifth stable beta stage
> in which many new features are being added.

Are you interested in joining the Debian Games Team [1,2] and
maintaining your package there? You would have the benefit of
experienced sponsors and other help and we would welcome every helping
hand that could help on other packages too :)

Regards
Evgeni

[1] https://alioth.debian.org/projects/pkg-games/
[2] http://wiki.debian.org/Games


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Re: /usr/share/doc/ files and gzip/xz/no compression

[Colin Watson]

On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 05:39:08PM +0200, Iustin Pop wrote:
> Since liblzmaX exists, would it be a simple matter of using it in order
> to make mandb handle such compressed man pages without having to fork?

I don't want to add more linkage, especially in light of Adam's point
about xz not being worth it for most manual pages anyway.

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Re: Spending Debian money for porter boxes [Was: The archive now supports xz compression]

[Alexander Reichle-Schmehl]

Hi!

Am 21.08.2011 18:59, schrieb Stefano Zacchiroli:

[ more powerful hardware needed ]

> What is missing is rather a bit of coordination of people that:
[..]
> Any taker?

Well, according to [1] and [2], we have some hardware donations
coordinators, and at [3] we have a list of needed hardware.

I'm not involved in that area, but what you describe sounds actually
pretty much like what they do / could do.  So it would be interesting to
know, why that approach currently doesn't work, and how that can be
improved.

 1: http://www.debian.org/intro/organization
 2: http://www.debian.org/donations#equipment_donations
 3: http://www.debian.org/misc/hardware_wanted


Best regards,
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Re: Spending Debian money for porter boxes [Was: The archive now supports xz compression]

[Stefano Zacchiroli]

On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 10:51:02AM +0200, Alexander Reichle-Schmehl wrote:
> > What is missing is rather a bit of coordination of people that:
> [..]
> > Any taker?
> 
> Well, according to [1] and [2], we have some hardware donations
> coordinators, and at [3] we have a list of needed hardware.
> 
> I'm not involved in that area, but what you describe sounds actually
> pretty much like what they do / could do.  So it would be interesting to
> know, why that approach currently doesn't work, and how that can be
> improved.

I think that I've explained it in the "[..]" you have snipped, actually
:). But let me briefly outline the difference among a "donation contact
point" (which is what we have now, even though the name is slightly
different) and an "hardware coordination team".

The former act as a contact point for external vendors that, without us
reaching out to them, wants to ask Debian "we have that, are you
interested?". According to some feedback I got from people who are
behind that alias, it seems to be pretty useless. The kind of mails it
gets is "I've an hold 486 dx with mouse and keyboard, do you need it?".

The hardware *coordination* team do actual coordination and tracking of
what we need — which tends to be rather specific hardware. Additionally,
the team should reach out to potential donors proactively, and fall back
to prepare buy orders via interaction with the DPL.

Again, I'm a bit outside of my territory here and I lack first-hand
experience. People from -admin and DSA can be more precise and helpful
than me.

Cheers.
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Re: Bug#638720: ITP: openerp6-server -- Enterprise Resource Management (server)

[W. Martin Borgert]

Quoting "Charles Plessy" :

I think that it would help to understand that the package contains if the
acronyms ERP, CRM, POS were expanded (and maybe also GUI and *-RPC).


I thought exactly the same when sending the bug :~) Will do!


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Re: Buildd vs. Cowbuilder: broken symlink in procps dev package on one architecture

[Cyril Brulebois]

Michael Prokop  (22/08/2011):
> 1) What's the proper way to address this issue in squeeze?
>a) Build a i386 package with broken symlink?
>b) Build whatever-arch package with working symlink?

Stop using basename on what's in /lib, and do that on what's under
debian/tmp.
 
> 2) How can we make sure such a bug doesn't happen again
>(besides working towards source-only uploads :))?
>Bugreport against buildd.debian.org?

Same answer as for 1).

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Re: Buildd vs. Cowbuilder: broken symlink in procps dev package on one architecture

[Cyril Brulebois]

Cyril Brulebois  (22/08/2011):
> Michael Prokop  (22/08/2011):
> > 1) What's the proper way to address this issue in squeeze?
> >a) Build a i386 package with broken symlink?
> >b) Build whatever-arch package with working symlink?
> 
> Stop using basename on what's in /lib, and do that on what's under
> debian/tmp.

More to the point now that I played a bit with it:

 a) One could try moving PROCLIB's definition to the
override_dh_auto_build target, but then one can see there's no
libproc-*.so at this point. (This could be a variable expansion
issue, after all…)

 b) One could try replacing it with a `basename proc/libproc-*.so`
in the (cd … && ln …) call but there's still no libproc-*.so
at this point.

 c) One could check it appears when override_dh_auto_build is called,
and add the ln -s call after the .so is available under proc/, and
profit. That should fix the issue.

 d) To confirm the difference between procps installed and missing,
add an “exit 42” at the end of the build target, and notice the
presence of the libproc-….so file when procps is installed.
Fixing the difference in behaviour here might be a more elegant
solution, but I'll leave that to the maintainer to decide.

> > 2) How can we make sure such a bug doesn't happen again
> >(besides working towards source-only uploads :))?
> >Bugreport against buildd.debian.org?
> 
> Same answer as for 1).

That part still holds.

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Re: Buildd vs. Cowbuilder: broken symlink in procps dev package on one architecture

[Michael Prokop]

* Cyril Brulebois [Mon Aug 22, 2011 at 12:02:17PM +0200]:
> Michael Prokop  (22/08/2011):

> > 1) What's the proper way to address this issue in squeeze?
> >a) Build a i386 package with broken symlink?
> >b) Build whatever-arch package with working symlink?

> Stop using basename on what's in /lib, and do that on what's under
> debian/tmp.

So 1b, thanks.

> > 2) How can we make sure such a bug doesn't happen again
> >(besides working towards source-only uploads :))?
> >Bugreport against buildd.debian.org?

> Same answer as for 1).

Hehe sure. But that the procps package is non-essential but
seems to be installed on (some?) buildds is irrelevant?

regards,
-mika-


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Re: /usr/share/doc/ files and gzip/xz/no compression

[Iustin Pop]

On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 09:27:25AM +0100, Colin Watson wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 05:39:08PM +0200, Iustin Pop wrote:
> > Since liblzmaX exists, would it be a simple matter of using it in order
> > to make mandb handle such compressed man pages without having to fork?
> 
> I don't want to add more linkage, especially in light of Adam's point
> about xz not being worth it for most manual pages anyway.

Indeed, with that context, agreed.

iustin


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Re: Bug#638808: ITP: daimonin -- Daimonin is a fantasy MMORPG (Massively Multiplayer Online Role-playing Game) which features a large gameworld with engaging background, and is developing many fun and

[Karl Goetz]

On Sun, 21 Aug 2011 20:02:59 -0600
Franklin Barnett <_pers...@live.com> wrote:

> Package: wnpp
> Severity: wishlist
> Owner: Franklin Barnett <_pers...@live.com>
> 
> * Package name: daimonin
>   Version : 0.10.5
>   Upstream Author : Michael Toennies 
> * URL : http://www.daimonin.org/
> * License : GPL
>   Programming Lang: C
>   Description : Daimonin is a fantasy MMORPG (Massively
> Multiplayer Online Role-playing Game) which features a large
> gameworld with engaging background, and is developing many fun and
> unique features. It has a 2D-isometric perspective.

Are you planning to package the server or just the client? Will it
include the extra data packs?

> Daimonin is open-source and accepts user-contributed content such as
> maps, music, art, code, and writing. It is currently in its fifth
> stable beta stage in which many new features are being added.

The file 'Artistic License' in the daimonin_mapmaker package (which
includes the server?) makes me worry about the dfsg freeness of some
parts. Could you get games team/legal list to offer their thoughts?
(Note neither is able to speak on behalf of the project, and ftpmasters
say of what gets in is final :)).
thanks,
kk

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Bug#638838: ITP: cocot -- Wraps and converts charset encoding of program input/output.

[Taisuke Yamada]

Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Taisuke Yamada 


* Package name: cocot
  Version : 20100903
  Upstream Author : IWAMURO Motonori 
* URL : http://vmi.jp/software/cygwin/cocot.html
* License : BSD
  Programming Lang: C
  Description : Wraps and converts charset encoding of program input/output.

Cocot stands for "COde COnverter on Tty".
This tool wraps specified program and converts charset encoding of
its input/output. By this conversion, cocot allows you to run any
program that may not support tty charset encoding. For example,
running non-UTF-8 editor on UTF-8 terminal.



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Re: Spending Debian money for porter boxes

[Tollef Fog Heen]

]] Mike Hommey 

| Speaking of which. It would also totally be an appropriate use of Debian
| money to get new porter boxes that fit the buildds. Most of the non x86
| porter boxes are pathetically slow, which is even sadder when you know
| the buildd boxes for the same architectures are an order of magnitude
| faster (and I'm almost not exagerating).

The ones you mentioned on IRC were sparc and powerpc.  PowerPC is
getting an extra debian.net porterbox as we speak, this one being a quad
2.5GHz G5 with 6G memory and 500G disk.  (It'll run a buildbot for
Varnish so it won't be a DSA machine.)

Thanks a lot to Jan Ingvoldstad and Domainnameshop.com for giving me
the machine so I can make it available as a porter box.

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Re: Bug#638838: ITP: cocot -- Wraps and converts charset encoding of program input/output.

[Jakub Wilk]

* Taisuke Yamada , 2011-08-20, 15:29:

* Package name: cocot
 Version : 20100903
 Upstream Author : IWAMURO Motonori 
* URL : http://vmi.jp/software/cygwin/cocot.html
* License : BSD
 Programming Lang: C
 Description : Wraps and converts charset encoding of program input/output.

Cocot stands for "COde COnverter on Tty".
This tool wraps specified program and converts charset encoding of its 
input/output. By this conversion, cocot allows you to run any program 
that may not support tty charset encoding. For example, running 
non-UTF-8 editor on UTF-8 terminal.


How is it better than luit (from x11-utils)?

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Re: Spending Debian money for porter boxes

[David Bremner]

On Mon, 22 Aug 2011 13:44:08 +0200, Tollef Fog Heen  wrote:

> The ones you mentioned on IRC were sparc and powerpc.  PowerPC is
> getting an extra debian.net porterbox as we speak, this one being a quad
> 2.5GHz G5 with 6G memory and 500G disk.  (It'll run a buildbot for
> Varnish so it won't be a DSA machine.)

Thanks to everyone involved with this. Lack of a G5 porterbox has been a
thorn in my side for about a year now. Just this morning I noticed
another powerpc build failure that I am pretty sure won't be
reproducible on the G4 porter box. 

Thanks again,

David


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Re: /usr/share/doc/ files and gzip/xz/no compression

[Eduard Bloch]

#include 
* Colin Watson [Mon, Aug 22 2011, 09:27:25AM]:
> On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 05:39:08PM +0200, Iustin Pop wrote:
> > Since liblzmaX exists, would it be a simple matter of using it in order
> > to make mandb handle such compressed man pages without having to fork?
> 
> I don't want to add more linkage, especially in light of Adam's point
> about xz not being worth it for most manual pages anyway.

Would you consider additional linkage to libdl? That is less than 15kB
size and brings possibility to load liblzma as needed.

In fact, I have an almost complete patch for man-db which dlopens
on-the-fly. Let me know if I should proceed with that.

Regards,
Eduard.


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Bug#638859: ITP: python-flufl.lock -- An NFS-safe file-based lock with timeouts

[Barry Warsaw]

Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Barry Warsaw 


* Package name: python-flufl.lock
  Version : 2.1.1
  Upstream Author : Barry Warsaw 
* URL : https://launchpad.net/flufl.lock
* License : LGPLv3
  Programming Lang: Python
  Description : An NFS-safe file-based lock with timeouts



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Re: Bug#638720: ITP: openerp6-server -- Enterprise Resource Management (server)

[Florian Reitmeir]

Hi,

W. Martin Borgert wrote:
> Quoting "Charles Plessy" :
>> I think that it would help to understand that the package contains if the
>> acronyms ERP, CRM, POS were expanded (and maybe also GUI and *-RPC).
> 
> I thought exactly the same when sending the bug :~) Will do!

Is there now an upgrade path for all the OpenERP v5 users in Debian?
Is there an upgrade tool planned for the version 7?

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=619576

I have an openerp with a lot of data in it (version 5), and the company
(=OpenERP) states, i need to purchase their "upgrade tool" to transfer
my data to version 6.

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Bug#638860: ITP: libnews-article-nocem-perl -- a module to generate accurate nocem notices

[Florian Schlichting]

Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Florian Schlichting 

* Package name: libnews-article-nocem-perl
  Version : 0.08
  Upstream Author : Yen-Ming Lee 
* URL : http://search.cpan.org/~leeym/News-Article-NoCeM-0.08/
* License : GPL-1+ / Artistic
  Programming Lang: Perl
  Description : a module to generate accurate nocem notices

An extension to News::Article allowing the easy generation of pgp-signed
NoCeM notices. NoCeM is a mechanism to cryptographically authenticate
cancel (hide) control messages on usenet.



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Bug#638861: ITP: python-flufl.bounce -- Email bounce detectors

[Barry Warsaw]

Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Barry Warsaw 


* Package name: python-flufl.bounce
  Version : 1.0
  Upstream Author : Barry Warsaw 
* URL : https://launchpad.net/flufl.bounce
* License : LGPLv3
  Programming Lang: Python
  Description : Email bounce detectors

flufl.bounce is a library providing a set of heuristics and an API for
detecting the original bouncing email addresses from a bounce message.
Many formats found in the wild are supported, as are VERP and RFC 3464
(DSN).



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Bug#638862: ITP: pdfrw -- PDF file manipulation library.

[Chris Lamb]

Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Chris Lamb 
X-Debbugs-Cc: debian-devel@lists.debian.org

* Package name: pdfrw
  Upstream Author : Patrick Maupin
* URL : http://code.google.com/p/pdfrw/
* License : MIT
  Programming Lang: Python
  Description : PDF file manipulation library.

 pdfrw is a basic PDF file manipulation library.

 [It is being packaged as rst2pdf currently ships an embedded code copy
 of this library and intrigeri would like to package something requiring
 it too - see #638507.]


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Bug#638865: ITP: libcdb-file-perl -- Perl interface to Dan Berstein's cdb package.

[Florian Schlichting]

Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Florian Schlichting 

* Package name: libcdb-file-perl
  Version : 0.97
  Upstream Author : Tim Goodwin  et al.
* URL : http://search.cpan.org/~toddr/CDB_File-0.97/
* License : GPL-1 / Artistic
  Programming Lang: Perl
  Description : Perl interface to Dan Berstein's cdb package.

"cdb is a fast, reliable, lightweight package for creating and
reading constant databases."

libcdb-file-perl used to be in Debian until it was removed in a Q&A
effort in 2005 (bug report at
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=328806).

As can be seen from the bug report, the removal had little to do with
the functionality of libcdb-file-perl but a lot with its maintenance
(upstream or in Debian). Users only noticed once the package had been
removed, but nobody stepped up to provide it again.

Upstream maintenance has changed and there seems to be a steady trickle
of new versions. I think it's time to reintroduce this package into
Debian under the umbrella of pkg-perl. (And I'm sure my boss would love
that, too...)



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Re: Buildd vs. Cowbuilder: broken symlink in procps dev package on one architecture

[Julien Cristau]

On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 12:19:13 +0200, Michael Prokop wrote:

> But that the procps package is non-essential but seems to be installed
> on (some?) buildds is irrelevant?
> 
Yes.

Cheers,
Julien


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Re: Buildd vs. Cowbuilder: broken symlink in procps dev package on one architecture

[Adam D. Barratt]

On Mon, 2011-08-22 at 12:19 +0200, Michael Prokop wrote:
> * Cyril Brulebois [Mon Aug 22, 2011 at 12:02:17PM +0200]:
> > Michael Prokop  (22/08/2011):
> 
> > > 1) What's the proper way to address this issue in squeeze?
> > >a) Build a i386 package with broken symlink?
> > >b) Build whatever-arch package with working symlink?
> 
> > Stop using basename on what's in /lib, and do that on what's under
> > debian/tmp.
> 
> So 1b, thanks.

Looking at the procps source package in unstable, it appears to have the
same issue.  If that's the case, then I'm afraid your question should
really have been "what's the proper way to address this issue in
unstable and subsequently in squeeze".

If I've missed a reason why unstable isn't affected, then great.

Regards,

Adam


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Re: Spending Debian money for porter boxes

[Tollef Fog Heen]

]] Tollef Fog Heen 

| The ones you mentioned on IRC were sparc and powerpc.  PowerPC is
| getting an extra debian.net porterbox as we speak, this one being a quad
| 2.5GHz G5 with 6G memory and 500G disk.  (It'll run a buildbot for
| Varnish so it won't be a DSA machine.)

The machine is now live and accessible as
shooreinet.err.no. https://db.debian.org/machines.cgi?host=shooreinet
has SSH keys and such.

DSA and the PPC porter group has sudo on the host (they need to set an
explicit sudo password since it's not a DSA machine and so doesn't get
the sudo password exported to *.).

It also has a sid chroot available using schroot.

Enjoy,
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Re: /usr/share/doc/ files and gzip/xz/no compression

[Colin Watson]

On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 03:49:04PM +0200, Eduard Bloch wrote:
> #include 
> * Colin Watson [Mon, Aug 22 2011, 09:27:25AM]:
> > I don't want to add more linkage, especially in light of Adam's point
> > about xz not being worth it for most manual pages anyway.
> 
> Would you consider additional linkage to libdl? That is less than 15kB
> size and brings possibility to load liblzma as needed.
> 
> In fact, I have an almost complete patch for man-db which dlopens
> on-the-fly. Let me know if I should proceed with that.

Given that it apparently doesn't gain much in the way of size
improvements, I don't really see the point.  But I'd look at a patch if
it doesn't make the code significantly less portable or significantly
harder to maintain.

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Re: /usr/share/doc/ files and gzip/xz/no compression

[Eduard Bloch]

#include 
* Colin Watson [Mon, Aug 22 2011, 09:35:14PM]:
> On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 03:49:04PM +0200, Eduard Bloch wrote:
> > #include 
> > * Colin Watson [Mon, Aug 22 2011, 09:27:25AM]:
> > > I don't want to add more linkage, especially in light of Adam's point
> > > about xz not being worth it for most manual pages anyway.
> > 
> > Would you consider additional linkage to libdl? That is less than 15kB
> > size and brings possibility to load liblzma as needed.
> > 
> > In fact, I have an almost complete patch for man-db which dlopens
> > on-the-fly. Let me know if I should proceed with that.
> 
> Given that it apparently doesn't gain much in the way of size
> improvements, I don't really see the point.  But I'd look at a patch if
> it doesn't make the code significantly less portable or significantly
> harder to maintain.

Agreed. I stopped coding after realizing that you don't gain anything if
the typical file size is within one or two filesystem blocks.

A copy is stored on 
http://alioth.debian.org/~blade/mandb_dlopens_liblzma.diff , feel free
to add it or ignore it.

Regards,
Eduard.
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Re: Buildd vs. Cowbuilder: broken symlink in procps dev package on one architecture

[Michael Prokop]

* Adam D. Barratt [Mon Aug 22, 2011 at 07:11:08PM +0100]:
> On Mon, 2011-08-22 at 12:19 +0200, Michael Prokop wrote:
> > * Cyril Brulebois [Mon Aug 22, 2011 at 12:02:17PM +0200]:
> > > Michael Prokop  (22/08/2011):

> > > > 1) What's the proper way to address this issue in squeeze?
> > > >a) Build a i386 package with broken symlink?
> > > >b) Build whatever-arch package with working symlink?

> > > Stop using basename on what's in /lib, and do that on what's under
> > > debian/tmp.

> > So 1b, thanks.

> Looking at the procps source package in unstable, it appears to have the
> same issue.  If that's the case, then I'm afraid your question should
> really have been "what's the proper way to address this issue in
> unstable and subsequently in squeeze".

Sure, but fixing the package in unstable doesn't modify the
behaviour within the stable release, which was the rationale behind
my question towards the issue in squeeze. :) Since there are no
objections against solution 1b we'll provide a working package for
squeeze.

Craig, maybe you could contact Christian and me regarding the
package for unstable so we avoid duplicate efforts?

Thanks to everyone,
regards,
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Re: Buildd vs. Cowbuilder: broken symlink in procps dev package on one architecture

[Cyril Brulebois]

Michael Prokop  (22/08/2011):
> * Adam D. Barratt [Mon Aug 22, 2011 at 07:11:08PM +0100]:
> > Looking at the procps source package in unstable, it appears to have the
> > same issue.  If that's the case, then I'm afraid your question should
> > really have been "what's the proper way to address this issue in
> > unstable and subsequently in squeeze".
> 
> Sure, but fixing the package in unstable doesn't modify the
> behaviour within the stable release, which was the rationale behind
> my question towards the issue in squeeze. :)

The way to fix packages in stable is to fix them in unstable, wait for
the fix to be tested well enough (reaching testing is usually a good
indicator), polished if needed; then backported to stable. Hence Adam's
reply.

Mraw,
KiBi.


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Re: Buildd vs. Cowbuilder: broken symlink in procps dev package on one architecture

[Christian Hofstaedtler]

* Cyril Brulebois  [110822 23:51]:
> Michael Prokop  (22/08/2011):
> > * Adam D. Barratt [Mon Aug 22, 2011 at 07:11:08PM +0100]:
> > > Looking at the procps source package in unstable, it appears to have the
> > > same issue.  If that's the case, then I'm afraid your question should
> > > really have been "what's the proper way to address this issue in
> > > unstable and subsequently in squeeze".
> > 
> > Sure, but fixing the package in unstable doesn't modify the
> > behaviour within the stable release, which was the rationale behind
> > my question towards the issue in squeeze. :)
> 
> The way to fix packages in stable is to fix them in unstable, wait for
> the fix to be tested well enough (reaching testing is usually a good
> indicator), polished if needed; then backported to stable. Hence Adam's
> reply.

I don't see us going to fix this in stable; I'll see if I can come
up with a reliable patch for unstable, but that's it.

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Re: emacs on a text console - please help me overcome the shock

[jidanni]

> "r" == rdiezmail-emacs   writes:
r> The console mode has been a shock. There is no mouse at all. I cannot
r> navigate the menus as usual, menu-bar-open is weird and unfriendly.
r> But, worst of all, some key combinations do not work well.
But that's the way it must be here on Debian, if you are root.
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=633652
My question is how do all those high powered Debian Developers cope?
Don't tell me they don't use emacs.
Or not as root.
Not even
when
administering their system?


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Re: emacs on a text console - please help me overcome the shock

[Kenyon Ralph]

On 2011-08-23T08:35:58+0800, jida...@jidanni.org wrote:
> > "r" == rdiezmail-emacs   writes:
> r> The console mode has been a shock. There is no mouse at all. I cannot
> r> navigate the menus as usual, menu-bar-open is weird and unfriendly.
> r> But, worst of all, some key combinations do not work well.
> But that's the way it must be here on Debian, if you are root.
> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=633652
> My question is how do all those high powered Debian Developers cope?
> Don't tell me they don't use emacs.
> Or not as root.
> Not even
> when
> administering their system?

I use emacs under X to administer my Debian systems. I don't run it as
root though. I use emacs TRAMP to use sudo to edit files as root on
the local machine. On remote machines I do the same but in an ssh
session in xterm (I don't use mouse or menu bars in emacs in X
anyway).

Looking at bug 633652, have you tried running X programs as root with
sux or gksu instead of su? http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/sux
http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/gksu

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Re: emacs on a text console - please help me overcome the shock

[jidanni]

> "KR" == Kenyon Ralph  writes:
KR> I use emacs under X to administer my Debian systems. I don't run it as
KR> root though. I use emacs TRAMP to use sudo to edit files as root on
KR> the local machine. On remote machines I do the same but in an ssh
KR> session in xterm (I don't use mouse or menu bars in emacs in X
KR> anyway).
I'm a safe sex fan myself, however there are limits to how much I am
willing to sacrifice that raw feel.

KR> Looking at bug 633652, have you tried running X programs as root with
KR> sux or gksu instead of su? http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/sux
KR> http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/gksu

Mmmm, sounds kinky, but at my age I don't think we can teach this old
dog new tricks. But I suppose that's what the younger generation will
use and just mark this bug wontfix. Alas, no family values.


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Re: emacs on a text console - please help me overcome the shock

[Bill MacAllister]

--On Tuesday, August 23, 2011 08:35:58 AM +0800 jida...@jidanni.org wrote:


"r" == rdiezmail-emacs   writes:

r> The console mode has been a shock. There is no mouse at all. I cannot
r> navigate the menus as usual, menu-bar-open is weird and unfriendly.
r> But, worst of all, some key combinations do not work well.
But that's the way it must be here on Debian, if you are root.
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=633652
My question is how do all those high powered Debian Developers cope?
Don't tell me they don't use emacs.
Or not as root.
Not even
when
administering their system?


If you are truly using the console then it is likely that some of the
issues have nothing to do with emacs and everything to do with the
console terminal emulation.  At a base level emacs is depending on
escape sequences to move the cursor around, but I expect it is doing
a lot fancier things that only a good terminal emulator will keep up
with.  And I would add that I don't really want anyone working on
improving console terminal emulation---there are too many other things
to do that need to be done and no one spends much time on the console
these days.

As a side note I really hate modal editors like vi and its decendents,
but I know enough of it to be able to work on consoles when emacs is
not installed yet or the terminal emulation is not up to it.  It is
just part of managing the system in my view.

Finally, when I am editing text I find that a mouse slows everything
down.  I do just fine with character cell xterms and no mouse.  I do
think it is worth getting color to work when possible.  The syntax
highlighting helps me spot stupid errors early.

Bill

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Looking for seconds to add the Amazon EC2 public certificate in ca-certificates.

[Charles Plessy]

severity 597537 normal
thanks

Dear all,

as per /usr/share/doc/ca-certificates/README.Debian, I am looking for
additional signed recommendations for the addition of the Amazon Elastic
Computer Cloud (EC2) public certificate to the ca-certificates packages.

In Ubuntu it is distributed in the euca2ools packages, that I co-maintain in
Debian, but for the following reasons I think that ca-certificates would be a
better place.
 
 - The original upstream sources of euca2ools do not contain the certificate.
 - The Upstream of euca2ools, Eucalyptus, and the provider of the EC2, Amazon,
   are not the same company.
 - The use of the certificate is not limited to euca2ools.

I attached a copy of the certificate.  It is used to bundle machine images
for the EC2.  I have not found a web page dedicated to its description.

SHA1 Fingerprint=D3:27:BA:A0:F8:D3:EE:9C:BB:3C:FB:FE:3B:52:65:A8:40:53:5D:0D

It was downloaded from http://s3.amazonaws.com/ec2-downloads/ec2-ami-tools.zip

Although the files in this archive are distributed under the non-free Amazon
Software License (http://aws.amazon.com/asl/), I think that public certificate
is not subject to a licence, since it is not the product of an intellectual
work.

Have a nice day,

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Re: Looking for seconds to add the Amazon EC2 public certificate in ca-certificates.

[Russ Allbery]

Charles Plessy  writes:

> as per /usr/share/doc/ca-certificates/README.Debian, I am looking for
> additional signed recommendations for the addition of the Amazon Elastic
> Computer Cloud (EC2) public certificate to the ca-certificates packages.

As someone not particularly familiar with the details of how certs work
inside EC2, my main question would be: what's the signing policy used by
the holder of the private key for this certificate?

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