Re: Emdebian links in Debian pages and local mirrors

2010-10-23 Thread Philip Hands
On Fri, 22 Oct 2010 23:18:09 +0100, Neil Williams  wrote:
...
> I'm also looking for volunteers who could support the Emdebian
> archive with local mirrors to reduce the load on the current machine.
> (Standard mirroring tools should work, albeit on a pull method rather
> than a push, please.) 

I'm happy to mirror.  I'm also happy to help with getting push mirroring
setup (or if that's an issue, I'm happy to pull once and then push other
mirrors if that helps).

Cheers, Phil.
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Re: Emdebian links in Debian pages and local mirrors

2010-10-23 Thread Neil Williams
On Sat, 23 Oct 2010 11:38:44 +0100
Philip Hands  wrote:

> On Fri, 22 Oct 2010 23:18:09 +0100, Neil Williams
>  wrote: ...
> > I'm also looking for volunteers who could support the Emdebian
> > archive with local mirrors to reduce the load on the current
> > machine. (Standard mirroring tools should work, albeit on a pull
> > method rather than a push, please.) 
> 
> I'm happy to mirror.  I'm also happy to help with getting push
> mirroring setup (or if that's an issue, I'm happy to pull once and
> then push other mirrors if that helps).

Many thanks, Phil - I'll follow up off-list.

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Re: Emdebian links in Debian pages and local mirrors

2010-10-23 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 11:18:09PM +0100, Neil Williams wrote:
> 3: Separate translation packages for those embedded installations which
> actually might need to present translated strings from the base system.

Shameless plug, what is the status of "DEP-4: Translation packages in
Debian (TDebs)" http://dep.debian.net/deps/dep4/ ?

Cheers.

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bind runs apt-cache during shutdown????

2010-10-23 Thread Mike Bird
Seen in Lenny.  Is it really necessary to run apt-cache in order
to shut down BIND?

10852 ?Ss 0:00 /bin/sh /etc/init.d/rc 6
11470 ?S  0:00  \_ /bin/sh /etc/rc6.d/K85bind9 stop
11471 ?S  0:00  \_ /bin/sh /etc/rc6.d/K85bind9 stop
11472 ?S  0:00  
\_ /usr/bin/python /usr/bin/lsb_release -is
11474 ?S  0:00  \_ sh -c { apt-cache policy 
2>/dev/null;
11475 ?D  0:00  \_ apt-cache policy

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Re: bind runs apt-cache during shutdown????

2010-10-23 Thread Julien Cristau
On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 05:46:38 -0700, Mike Bird wrote:

> Seen in Lenny.  Is it really necessary to run apt-cache in order
> to shut down BIND?
> 
Is it really necessary to send your bug reports to debian-devel?

Cheers,
Julien


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Re: Emdebian links in Debian pages and local mirrors

2010-10-23 Thread Neil Williams
On Sat, 23 Oct 2010 14:59:50 +0200
Stefano Zacchiroli  wrote:

> On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 11:18:09PM +0100, Neil Williams wrote:
> > 3: Separate translation packages for those embedded installations
> > which actually might need to present translated strings from the
> > base system.
> 
> Shameless plug, what is the status of "DEP-4: Translation packages in
> Debian (TDebs)" http://dep.debian.net/deps/dep4/ ?

Implemented in Emdebian, testing continues and development continues.
The Debian side has really stalled but I plan to do more with this once
Squeeze is released.

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Bug#601114: ITP: ffms2 -- An FFmpeg based source library and Avisynth plugin for easy frame accurate access

2010-10-23 Thread Reinhard Tartler
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Reinhard Tartler 

* Package name: ffms2
  Version : 2.13
  Upstream Author : Fredrik Mellbin, Mike Matsnev
* URL : http://code.google.com/p/ffmpegsource
* License : MIT (but debian packages will be GPL'ed because of linking 
against ffmpeg)
  Programming Lang: C++
  Description : An FFmpeg based source library and Avisynth plugin for easy 
frame accurate access

FFmpegSource (usually known as FFMS or FFMS2) is a cross-platform
wrapper library around FFmpeg, plus some additional components to deal
with file formats FFmpeg's libavformat has (or used to have) problems
with. It gives you an easy, convenient way to say "open and decompress
this media file for me, I don't care how you do it" and get frame- and
sample-accurate access (usually), without having to bother with the
sometimes less than straightforward and less than perfectly documented
FFmpeg API.

The library is written in C++, but the public API is C-friendly and
it's easy to simply include and link directly with a pure C
application.



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Re: bind runs apt-cache during shutdown????

2010-10-23 Thread Mike Bird
On Sat October 23 2010 06:21:35 Julien Cristau wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 05:46:38 -0700, Mike Bird wrote:
> > Seen in Lenny.  Is it really necessary to run apt-cache in order
> > to shut down BIND?
>
> Is it really necessary to send your bug reports to debian-devel?

(1) It's a question, not a bug report.

(2) Please don't CC the sender unless requested to do so.

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Re: bind runs apt-cache during shutdown????

2010-10-23 Thread Jordan Metzmeier
On 10/23/2010 11:55 AM, Mike Bird wrote:
> On Sat October 23 2010 06:21:35 Julien Cristau wrote:
>> On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 05:46:38 -0700, Mike Bird wrote:
>>> Seen in Lenny.  Is it really necessary to run apt-cache in order
>>> to shut down BIND?
>>
>> Is it really necessary to send your bug reports to debian-devel?
> 
> (1) It's a question, not a bug report.

Likely a question for the maintainer, not the entire dev community, in
which most have nothing to do with bind9. The bug report comment was
probably because your "question" looked an awful lot like a complaint.

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Re: [RFC] disabled root account / distinct group for users with administrative privileges

2010-10-23 Thread Arthur de Jong
On Thu, 2010-10-21 at 16:48 +0100, Philip Hands wrote:
> If we decide to reject 'admin', I think we should use sudo.  I find the
> argument that admin is confusing given the presence of adm fairly
> convincing -- It's all too easy to say something like "could you add
> fred to the adm group" over the phone and pronounce 'adm' as 'admin'.

At work we use "admin" to hold all administrative staff (think
paperwork) so I would vote against that.

> Sadly, we are not the first to make this decision though, and having
> admin on Ubuntu and sudo on Debian would be a pain for people that have
> mixed sites, or even for admins that just have access to some of each.

The admin group is already used in update-notifier though (#502392) and
perhaps also other software coming from Ubuntu.

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Re: bind runs apt-cache during shutdown????

2010-10-23 Thread Mike Bird
On Sat October 23 2010 10:58:54 Jordan Metzmeier wrote:
> On 10/23/2010 11:55 AM, Mike Bird wrote:
> > On Sat October 23 2010 06:21:35 Julien Cristau wrote:
> >> On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 05:46:38 -0700, Mike Bird wrote:
> >>> Seen in Lenny.  Is it really necessary to run apt-cache in order
> >>> to shut down BIND?
> >>
> >> Is it really necessary to send your bug reports to debian-devel?
> >
> > (1) It's a question, not a bug report.
>
> Likely a question for the maintainer, not the entire dev community, in
> which most have nothing to do with bind9. The bug report comment was
> probably because your "question" looked an awful lot like a complaint.

Maybe someone here would care to address the actual question?

A bug report may or may not be warranted further down the line,
but at this stage it's far from clear where the bug lies even
if it exists.

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Re: bind runs apt-cache during shutdown????

2010-10-23 Thread Brian May
On 24 October 2010 11:30, Mike Bird  wrote:
> Maybe someone here would care to address the actual question?

My /etc/init.d/bind9 has:

DISTRO=$(lsb_release -is 2>/dev/null || echo Debian)

 lsb_release seems to call apt-cache policy.

On one hand, the value of $DISTRO doesn't seem to be used anywhere. So
I am not sure why this is needed.

On the other hand, so what if it calls apt-cache policy - does that
matter? Maybe apt-cache policy is broken on Mike's system?
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Re: bind runs apt-cache during shutdown????

2010-10-23 Thread Bob Proulx
Mike Bird wrote:
> Seen in Lenny.  Is it really necessary to run apt-cache in order
> to shut down BIND?

The Lenny package's /etc/init.d/bind9 script calls 'lsb_release -is'
to determine the distribution and if the 'lsb-release' package is
installed then the lsb_release script calls 'apt-cache policy'.  The
result of which was not used.  I believe you could comment out that
line without any ill effects although I didn't test it.  Or
alternatively you could remove the 'lsb-release' package.

The current Sid version of bind9's /etc/init.d/bind9 script does not
call 'lsb_release' and therefore this issue seems to have been
addressed in the latest Squeeze.

Bob

P.S. On my 2004 1.8GHz Pentium M laptop:

  $ time lsb_release -is
  Debian

  real0m0.135s
  user0m0.116s
  sys 0m0.016s


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Re: bind runs apt-cache during shutdown????

2010-10-23 Thread Mike Bird
On Sat October 23 2010 18:20:11 Brian May wrote:
> On the other hand, so what if it calls apt-cache policy - does that
> matter? Maybe apt-cache policy is broken on Mike's system?

It takes about fifteen seconds for apt-cache to run on a system
that hasn't previously accessed those files.  That's a significant
fraction of the overall reboot time.

On Sat October 23 2010 18:32:55 Bob Proulx wrote:
> The current Sid version of bind9's /etc/init.d/bind9 script does not
> call 'lsb_release' and therefore this issue seems to have been
> addressed in the latest Squeeze.

In that case I won't press this question any further.

Thank you both.

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