Re: Uploads without the architecture-dependant binary packages.

2010-07-30 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Charles Plessy  writes:

> Le Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 05:10:57PM +0200, Julien Cristau a écrit :
>> On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 23:58:29 +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
>> 
>> > Unfortunately, no binary package shows up on packages.debian.org. There 
>> > must be
>> > something else broken in the changelog file I uploaded…
>> > 
>> packages.debian.org is not where packages show up.
>> 
>> $ lftp -c 'open ftp.debian.org; cd debian/pool/main/e/emboss; ls 
>> *_6.3.1-3_*.deb'

I prefer "rmadison emboss".

emboss |6.3.1-3 |  unstable | source, alpha, amd64, armel, i386, 
ia64, kfreebsd-amd64, kfreebsd-i386, mips, mipsel, powerpc, s390, sparc

MfG
Goswin


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Re: GUI packaging

2010-07-30 Thread Xavier Oswald
On 22:39 Thu 29 Jul , Markus Schulz wrote:
> Hello,

Hi,

> as far as I know nobody is working on a GUI for packaging (like a IDE
> but for packaging). If someone is please let me know, because I want to
> develop something in this area for Debian and than I would like to help.
> If not I may start something as long as there are no objections. The
> main idea is to put the Debian policy into a interactive wizard that
> helps building basic packages with normal Debian quality. No command and
> only valid selection etc... like lintian at configuration time and not
> just after- a guide that walks you through only lets you enter valid things.

We will not do any objection as everybody is free to develop what he want.

A small suggestion if you start doing this... Please try to have 2 or 3 layers
so you could have the basics calls and then be able to develop a GUI with Qt,
GTK, ... frontends.

I don't know how deep you want to go.. like having devscripts tool calls,
pbuilder integration or such, but before starting this you should carefuly think
of what you want, the data structures and the language you will use..

I think this kind of tool will be huge amont of work. I wish you good luck and
happy hacking doing this.

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Re: When and how can we migrate out of CVS and WML ?

2010-07-30 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen

[Craig Small]
> The problem with replacing WML is; what do you replace it with? and
> will it bring any real benefit?

What about using XHTML and po4a to handle translations using .po
files?  The original english versions would be written in XHTML,
translators would work on .po files, and the site could be generated
regularly or when the source or .po files changes.

For an english XHTML page index.html.en, this command will generate a
.pot file:

  po4a-gettextize -M UTF-8 -f xhtml -m index.html.en -p index.pot

So, when a .po file is around (say nb.po), this command can be used to
generate the translated XHTML version:

  po4a-translate -f xhtml -M UTF-8 -m index.html.en -p nb.po -l index.HTML.nb

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Re: aptitude (priority important) depends on libboost-iostreams (priority optional)

2010-07-30 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen

[Steve Langasek]
> Not only is apt-get now strong enough to handle the cases for which we
> recommended aptitude in the sarge timeframe (with much better resolution of
> upgrades, installation of Recommends by default, and tracking of
> auto-installed packages), but aptitude has also had several deplorable
> regressions since etch.  I don't know which of these made it into the lenny
> release or which are still present in squeeze, but:
>
>   - When I type 'aptitude install foo', *removing* foo instead of upgrading
> is not a valid solution and should never be offered.
>   - When I type 'aptitude install foo', installing 5 packages, removing 3
> others, and upgrading 7 more *without installing foo* is not a valid
> solution and should never be offered.

If these are present, they sound like good arguments for changing
tasksel to use apt-get instead of aptitude.

> I believe the correct recommendations would be:
>
>   - apt-get for all commandline operations, including package installation
> and removal, and dist-upgrades

I assume you mean all over debian-installer too?  The apt-install
script would have to change, as well as tasksel.  I suspect those two
are the only ones using apt-get or aptitude directly in
debian-installer.

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Re: When and how can we migrate out of CVS and WML ?

2010-07-30 Thread Alexander Reichle-Schmehl
Hi!

Am 30.07.2010 11:38, schrieb Petter Reinholdtsen:

> [Craig Small]
>> The problem with replacing WML is; what do you replace it with? and
>> will it bring any real benefit?
> What about using XHTML and po4a to handle translations using .po
> files?

And how come common headers and styles or in wml embedded scripts into
this scenario?


Best regards,
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Re: When and how can we migrate out of CVS and WML ?

2010-07-30 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Alexander Reichle-Schmehl]
> And how come common headers and styles or in wml embedded scripts
> into this scenario?

I have no idea.  I do not know WML.

But we do use po4a when generating web pages in the debian-edu-config
package, and we also use it to generate translated version of
debian-edu-doc, where the master document is fetched as docbook from
wiki.debian.org, passed to translators as .po files and in the end
both HTML and PDF versions of the documentation is generated. :)

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Re: The number of popcon.debian.org-submissions is falling

2010-07-30 Thread Benjamin Drung
Am Montag, den 26.07.2010, 10:30 +0200 schrieb Raphael Hertzog:
> Hi,
> 
> On Thu, 22 Jul 2010, Benjamin Drung wrote:
> > Am Donnerstag, den 22.07.2010, 10:20 +0200 schrieb Yves-Alexis Perez:
> > > On 21/07/2010 10:25, Paul Wise wrote:
> > > > They also currently have almost 20 times as many popcon submissions as
> > > > Debian and continuing growth:
> > > > 
> > > > http://popcon.ubuntu.com/
> > > > http://popcon.ubuntu.com/stat/sub-i386.png
> > > 
> > > Is it enabled by default without asking the user? (I didn't do an ubuntu
> > > install since warty or hoary so I wouldn't know)
> > 
> > No. You have to enable it in a submenu.
> 
> I could not find that "submenu" while installing 10.04. It's quite
> possibly only in the alternate installer image nowadays (that is used
> for the server edition AFAIK).

On the last step (7 of 7), there is the "Advanced..." button.

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Re: The number of popcon.debian.org-submissions is falling

2010-07-30 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Fri, 30 Jul 2010, Benjamin Drung wrote:
> > I could not find that "submenu" while installing 10.04. It's quite
> > possibly only in the alternate installer image nowadays (that is used
> > for the server edition AFAIK).
> 
> On the last step (7 of 7), there is the "Advanced..." button.

Yes, and there's nothing about popcon there. There's stuff for grub and
a Network proxy IIRC:
http://i1-news.softpedia-static.com/images/extra/LINUX/large/ubuntu1004installation-large_008.jpg

OTOH Karmic seems to have the checkbox:
http://i1-news.softpedia-static.com/images/extra/LINUX/large/ubuntu910installation-large_010.jpg

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Re: aptitude (priority important) depends on libboost-iostreams (priority optional)

2010-07-30 Thread Frans Pop
Petter Reinholdtsen wrote:
> [Steve Langasek]
>> Not only is apt-get now strong enough to handle the cases for which we
>> recommended aptitude in the sarge timeframe (with much better resolution
>> of upgrades, installation of Recommends by default, and tracking of
>> auto-installed packages), but aptitude has also had several deplorable
>> regressions since etch.  I don't know which of these made it into the
>> lenny release or which are still present in squeeze, but:
>>
>>   - When I type 'aptitude install foo', *removing* foo instead of
>> upgrading is not a valid solution and should never be offered.
>>   - When I type 'aptitude install foo', installing 5 packages, removing
>> 3 others, and upgrading 7 more *without installing foo* is not a
>> valid solution and should never be offered.
> 
> If these are present, they sound like good arguments for changing
> tasksel to use apt-get instead of aptitude.

Not really as these issues generally only occur when packages are being 
*upgraded* using 'aptitude install ', not when they are being 
newly installed.
When upgrading the issues will also occur more frequently if packages are 
broken (e.g. when upgrading in unstable) than when they are installable.

I don't think these issues are all that relevant in the D-I context.

>> I believe the correct recommendations would be:
>>
>>   - apt-get for all commandline operations, including package
>>   installation and removal, and dist-upgrades
> 
> I assume you mean all over debian-installer too?  The apt-install
> script would have to change, as well as tasksel.

For tasksel that would destroy the option to review which packages get 
installed, which is an important option when tasksel is invoked manually 
(I've used it for example to determine task sizes for the Installation 
Guide).

Please make very sure you don't introduce regressions or loss of 
functionality when considering such changes.

> I suspect those two are the only ones using apt-get or aptitude
> directly in debian-installer.

I suspect you are wrong. apt-install does not use aptitude, but pkgsel 
does. Is it really so hard to check (grep) the D-I source before writing 
such mails, especially when pretending to be a D-I developer?

Cheers,
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Re: The number of popcon.debian.org-submissions is falling

2010-07-30 Thread Benjamin Drung
Am Freitag, den 30.07.2010, 14:24 +0200 schrieb Raphael Hertzog:
> On Fri, 30 Jul 2010, Benjamin Drung wrote:
> > > I could not find that "submenu" while installing 10.04. It's quite
> > > possibly only in the alternate installer image nowadays (that is used
> > > for the server edition AFAIK).
> > 
> > On the last step (7 of 7), there is the "Advanced..." button.
> 
> Yes, and there's nothing about popcon there. There's stuff for grub and
> a Network proxy IIRC:
> http://i1-news.softpedia-static.com/images/extra/LINUX/large/ubuntu1004installation-large_008.jpg
> 
> OTOH Karmic seems to have the checkbox:
> http://i1-news.softpedia-static.com/images/extra/LINUX/large/ubuntu910installation-large_010.jpg

Ok, then it was dropped.

software-properties-gtk has an easy way to enable popcon. In Ubuntu
there is a description what popcon does and what it is used for, but
software-properties-gtk in squeeze doesn't have it.

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Re: Problem with gfortran and pkg-config

2010-07-30 Thread Ian Jackson
Hendrik Sattler writes ("Re: Problem with gfortran and pkg-config"):
> Am Donnerstag 29 Juli 2010, 19:23:40 schrieb Tollef Fog Heen:
> > The reason for stripping -I is so you can
> > have in-tree include files that get included correctly even if their
> > names overlap the files in /usr/include.
> 
> This is not the case with current gcc. From "man gcc":
> "Directories named by -I are searched before the standard system
> include directories.  If the directory dir is a standard system include 
> directory, the option is ignored to ensure that the default search order for
> system directories and the special treatment of system headers are not 
> defeated."

Boggle.  As if our build systems weren't complicated enough without
the compiler and the makefiles playing Core Wars !

I guess we'll soon enough see -I/./usr/include ...

Ian.


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Bug#590949: ITP: r-cran-evd -- GNU R Functions for extreme value distributions

2010-07-30 Thread Steffen Moeller
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Steffen Moeller 

* Package name: r-cran-evd
* URL : http://cran.r-project.org/web/packages/evd/index.html
* License : GPL-2
  Programming Lang: R
  Description : GNU R Functions for extreme value distributions

 Extends simulation, distribution, quantile and density functions to
 univariate and multivariate parametric extreme value distributions, and
 provides fitting functions which calculate maximum likelihood estimates
 for univariate and bivariate maxima models, and for univariate and
 bivariate threshold models.



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Bug#590960: ITP: libglobalhotkeys-ruby1.8 -- Ruby binding to define global hotkeys.

2010-07-30 Thread Vincent Carmona
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Vincent Carmona 


* Package name: libglobalhotkeys-ruby1.8
  Version : 0.1.1
  Upstream Author : Vincent Carmona 
* URL : http://zik.rubyforge.org/rghk
* License : GPL v2+
  Programming Lang: Ruby C
  Description : Ruby binding to define global hotkeys.

 Aims to provide easy global hotkeys setting for ruby applications so users 
 can interact with an application even if it does not have the focus.



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Re: less is somehow in a sour state

2010-07-30 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 07:26:06PM +0900, Norbert Preining wrote:
> One of the most used programs for me at least is less, but it is
> in a sour state. Since ages no updates, the BTS contains patches for
> eg supporting xz.

> Is there any plan to update less sooner or later, or is an NMU including
> the patch for #572228 acceptable?

I don't think you should NMU for a wishlist bug without explicit consent of
the maintainer.

Otherwise, 5.11.1 of the devref applies.

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Re: aptitude (priority important) depends on libboost-iostreams (priority optional)

2010-07-30 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen

[Frans Pop]
> Not really as these issues generally only occur when packages are
> being *upgraded* using 'aptitude install ', not when they
> are being newly installed.

Sure, they might not happen a lot, but they also happen from within
debian-installer.  With Debian Edu/Squeeze, I recently noticed one
example, where jackd fail to install using aptitude, but install just
fine with apt-get, because the latter seem to do a better job at
finding a installable set based on the packages tasksel want to
install. :)

> For tasksel that would destroy the option to review which packages
> get installed, which is an important option when tasksel is invoked
> manually (I've used it for example to determine task sizes for the
> Installation Guide).

How come?  I would expect the method described in
http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/Calling_tasksel_like_the_installer__while_still_getting_useful_output.html
 >
would work with both apt-get and aptitude.

> I suspect you are wrong. apt-install does not use aptitude, but
> pkgsel does.

OK.  I trust you to know this better than me, but it is a bit besides
my point, which is that it is fairly small change to replace aptitude
with apt-get in d-i.  I would believe it would be better for d-i to
use the same tool in the installer, for predictability and
consistency, as well as to keep the dependencies down.

Sure, it will give change the behaviour of d-i, but that is also the
point, if the aptitude behaviour is worse than that of apt-get. :)

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Bug#590985: ITP: cipux-passwd -- simple XML-RPC client to set your own password

2010-07-30 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Jonas Smedegaard 

* Package name: cipux-password
  Version : 3.4.0.2
  Upstream Author : Christian Kuelker 
* URL : http://www.cipux.org/
* License : GPL-2+
  Programming Lang: Perl
  Description : simple XML-RPC client to set your own password

 CipUX is a modular framework for information abstraction and
 administration, primarily aimed at administration of users, groups and
 organisational resources stored in a central LDAP database.
 .
 This package contains the command-line tool cipux-passwd to change your
 password via CipUX XML-RPC protocol.



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Bug#590990: ITP: jffi -- Java Foreign Function Interface

2010-07-30 Thread Torsten Werner
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Torsten Werner 

* Package name: jffi
  Version : 1.0.2
  Upstream Author : Wayne Meissner
* URL : http://github.com/wmeissner/jffi
* License : LGPL-3 (only)
  Programming Lang: Java, C
  Description : Java Foreign Function Interface

JFFI is a wrapper for libffi, the foreign function interface library. A foreign
function interface is the popular name for the interface that allows code
written in one language to call code written in another language.

The package is needed by JRuby.

Torsten



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Bug#590997: ITP: kephra -- GUI-Texteditor along Perl alike Paradigms

2010-07-30 Thread Jozef Kutej
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Jozef Kutej 


* Package name: kephra
  Version : 0.4.3
  Upstream Author : Herbert Breunung 
* URL : http://search.cpan.org/perldoc?Kephra
* License : GPL
  Programming Lang: Perl
  Description : GUI-Texteditor along Perl alike Paradigms

--- cut ---

Main Goals

A visually harmonic and beautiful, sparing and elegantly programed Editor, 
that helpes you with all you tasks. It should be also able to 
operate in the way you prefer and be not afraid to try new things.

In Depth

My ideal is a balance of:

* low entrance / easy to use
* rich feature set (CPAN IDE)
* highly configurable / adaptable to personal preferences
* beauty / good integration on GUI, code and config level

That sounds maybe generic but we go for the grail of editing, nothing 
lesser.

Details

I believe that Kephra's agenda is very similar to Perl's. Its common wisdom 
that freedom means not only happiness but also life works most 
effective in freedom. So there should not only be more than one way to write a 
programm, but also more than one way use an editor. You could:

* select menu items
* make kombinations of keystrokes
* point and click your way with the mouse
* type short edit commands

So the question should not be vi or emacs, but how to combine the different 
strengths (command input field and optional emacs-like keymap 
possibilities). Perl was also a combination of popular tools and concepts into 
a single powerful language.

Though I don't want to just adopt what has proven to be mighty. There are a 
lot of tools (especially in the graphical realm) that are still 
waiting to be discovered or aren't widely known. In Perl we write and rewrite 
them faster and much more dense than in C or Java. Some function 
that help me every day a lot, I written were in very few lines.

But many good tools are already on CPAN and Kephra should just be the glue 
and graphical layer to give you the possibilities of these module 
to your fingertips in that form you prefer. This helpes also to improve these 
modules, when they have more users that can give the authors 
feedback. It motivates the community, when we can use our own tools and the 
perl ecosystem does not depend on outer software like eclipse, even 
if it's sometimes useful.

Perl's second slogan is "Keep easy things easy and make hard things 
possible". To me it reads "Don't scare away the beginners and grow as you 
go". And like Perl I want to handle the complex things with as least effort as 
possible. From the beginning Kephra was a useful programm and will 
continue so.

--- cut ---

Needs only File::UserConfig to be packaged in addition.



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Bug#590999: ITP: libfile-userconfig-perl -- Get a user's existing config directory, or copy in defaults

2010-07-30 Thread Jozef Kutej
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Jozef Kutej 


* Package name: libfile-userconfig-perl
  Version : 0.06
  Upstream Author : Adam Kennedy 
* URL : http://search.cpan.org/perldoc?File::UserConfig
* License : GPL and Artistic
  Programming Lang: Perl
  Description : Get a user's existing config directory, or copy in defaults

Many modules or applications maintain a user-spec configuration data directory. 
And the implementation pattern is generally the same.

A directory like /home/myuser/.application is created and populating by a set 
of default files the first time an application runs, and from there 
on, the files in that directory are modified.

File::UserConfig provides standard, light and sub-classable default 
implementation of this concept that Does The Right Thing with the directory 
names.

(needed for Kephra)



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Re: Problem with gfortran and pkg-config

2010-07-30 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
]] Hendrik Sattler 

(Please don't Cc me, I read the list, as noted in my M-F-T header)

| Am Donnerstag 29 Juli 2010, 19:23:40 schrieb Tollef Fog Heen:
| > The reason for stripping -I is so you can
| > have in-tree include files that get included correctly even if their
| > names overlap the files in /usr/include.
| 
| This is not the case with current gcc.

pkg-config isn't gcc-specific, though.

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Bug#591007: ITP: jnr-x86asm -- Pure java x86 and x86_64 assembler

2010-07-30 Thread Torsten Werner
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Torsten Werner 

* Package name: jnr-x86asm
  Version : 0.1
  Upstream Author : Wayne Meissner
* URL : http://github.com/wmeissner/jnr-x86asm
* License : LGPL-3 (only)
  Programming Lang: C-ish Java
  Description : Pure java x86 and x86_64 assembler

This is a pure-java port of asmjit (http://code.google.com/p/asmjit/).

AsmJit is complete x86/x64 JIT-Assembler for C++ language. It supports
32/64-bit x86 processors including all usable extensions (FPU, MMX, 3dNow, SSE,
SSE2, SSE3 and SSE4) through type-safe API that mimics Intel assembler syntax
and eliminates nearly all common mistakes that can be done by developers.

AsmJit contains also high-level code generation classes that can be used as a
portable way to create JIT code that should run on all supported architectures.
High-level classes can handle various function calling-conventions, register
allocation and 32/64-bit mode differences.

AsmJit has been successfully tested by various C++ compilers (including MSVC,
GCC and BorlandC++) under all major operating systems (including Windows, Linux
and MacOS). AsmJit has been also ported to other programming languages
including Java, Delphi and Smalltalk (although these ports are not official
part of AsmJit and was developed outside).

The package is needed by jaffl which is needed by JRuby.



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Re: less is somehow in a sour state

2010-07-30 Thread Norbert Preining
On Fr, 30 Jul 2010, Steve Langasek wrote:
> > Is there any plan to update less sooner or later, or is an NMU including
> > the patch for #572228 acceptable?
> 
> I don't think you should NMU for a wishlist bug without explicit consent of
> the maintainer.

Yes, and? That is the reason why I asked in this email directed also
to the maintainer ...

Am I missing something here?

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Re: less is somehow in a sour state

2010-07-30 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 10:15:52AM +0900, Norbert Preining wrote:
> On Fr, 30 Jul 2010, Steve Langasek wrote:
> > > Is there any plan to update less sooner or later, or is an NMU including
> > > the patch for #572228 acceptable?

> > I don't think you should NMU for a wishlist bug without explicit consent of
> > the maintainer.

> Yes, and? That is the reason why I asked in this email directed also
> to the maintainer ...

It was not at all clear to me that you were asking the maintainer's
permission, as opposed to giving him notice.

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Re: less is somehow in a sour state

2010-07-30 Thread Norbert Preining
On Fr, 30 Jul 2010, Steve Langasek wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 10:15:52AM +0900, Norbert Preining wrote:
> > On Fr, 30 Jul 2010, Steve Langasek wrote:
> > > > Is there any plan to update less sooner or later, or is an NMU including
> > > > the patch for #572228 acceptable?
> 
> > > I don't think you should NMU for a wishlist bug without explicit consent 
> > > of
> > > the maintainer.
> 
> > Yes, and? That is the reason why I asked in this email directed also
> > to the maintainer ...
> 
> It was not at all clear to me that you were asking the maintainer's
> permission, as opposed to giving him notice.

Really??? I mean a sentence that ends in a question mark and contains
the words "...is ... acceptable ..." is not considered a question?

I guess I have to go back to English school, it seems that learning
Japanese destroys my ability to understand and write English.

Best wishes

Norbert

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Re: less is somehow in a sour state

2010-07-30 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 10:40:21AM +0900, Norbert Preining wrote:
> On Fr, 30 Jul 2010, Steve Langasek wrote:
> > On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 10:15:52AM +0900, Norbert Preining wrote:
> > > On Fr, 30 Jul 2010, Steve Langasek wrote:
> > > > > Is there any plan to update less sooner or later, or is an NMU 
> > > > > including
> > > > > the patch for #572228 acceptable?

> > > Yes, and? That is the reason why I asked in this email directed also
> > > to the maintainer ...

> > It was not at all clear to me that you were asking the maintainer's
> > permission, as opposed to giving him notice.

> Really??? I mean a sentence that ends in a question mark and contains
> the words "...is ... acceptable ..." is not considered a question?

No, *cc:ing* the maintainer on a mail sent to *debian-devel* does not make
it clear that the question is directed *at the maintainer*.

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