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Re: Permission to NMU gcc-mingw32

2010-06-09 Thread Fathi Boudra
On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 3:11 PM, Bill Allombert
 wrote:
> Well, mingw32 has not been updated since 2007 and is barely usable now.
> The license issues looks more like a pretext to stall it than anything else
> since it is still possible to use gcc 4.3 anyway.

I fully agree. You're welcome to provide a working mingw32 cross-compiler.

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Bug#585125: ITP: build -- script to build .rpm and .deb packages

2010-06-09 Thread Fathi Boudra
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Fathi Boudra 

* Package name: build
  Version : 1.0+git.20100504
  Upstream Author : Novell Inc. / SUSE Linux Products GmbH.
* URL : http://www.gitorious.org/opensuse/build
* License : GPL2+
  Programming Lang: Perl
  Description : script to build .rpm and .deb packages

This package provides a script for building .rpm or .deb for various Linux
distributions in a chroot environment.

It enhances osc package and make 'osc build' command available.



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Re: Bug#585125: ITP: build -- script to build .rpm and .deb packages

2010-06-09 Thread Mehdi Dogguy

On 06/09/2010 01:50 PM, Fathi Boudra wrote:


It enhances osc package and make 'osc build' command available.



Isn't "osc-build" a better name then? (less generic)

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Re: Bug#585125: ITP: build -- script to build .rpm and .deb packages

2010-06-09 Thread Fathi Boudra
On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 3:02 PM, Mehdi Dogguy  wrote:
> On 06/09/2010 01:50 PM, Fathi Boudra wrote:
>>
>> It enhances osc package and make 'osc build' command available.
>>
>
> Isn't "osc-build" a better name then? (less generic)

discussion started, I opened a thread for renaming build on upstream
mailing list.


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Re: Bug#585125: ITP: build -- script to build .rpm and .deb packages

2010-06-09 Thread Michal Čihař
Hi

Dne Wed, 09 Jun 2010 14:02:48 +0200
Mehdi Dogguy  napsal(a):

> On 06/09/2010 01:50 PM, Fathi Boudra wrote:
> >
> > It enhances osc package and make 'osc build' command available.
> >
> 
> Isn't "osc-build" a better name then? (less generic)

I don't think so because it is usable without osc as well. But sure,
build is way too generic.

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Bug#585135: ITP: zyn -- ZynAddSubFX engines converted to LV2 plugin format

2010-06-09 Thread Alessio Treglia
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Alessio Treglia 

* Package name: zyn
  Version : 1
  Upstream Author : Nedko Arnaudov 
* URL : http://home.gna.org/zyn/
* License : GPL
  Programming Lang: C, C++
  Description : ZynAddSubFX engines converted to LV2 plugin format

 The zyn project main goal is to extract synth engines from ZynAddSubFX
 and pack them in LV2 plugin format. Resulting plugins are heavily
 based on work made by Nasca Octavian Paul. If you like the amazing
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MAKEDEV, postinst and udev

2010-06-09 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hello,

what should package that require a specific device file do in their postinst ?

Many packages verify that the device does not exist and verify that
/dev/MAKEDEV exists and do "cd /dev && ./MAKEDEV something" only in
that case.

This works well in most cases but if you're using udev when installing the
package, MAKEDEV will not be called and the device has no chance to be
created on the on-disk filesystem. If you later remove udev, you will have
a broken system since the device won't be present.

Note that MAKEDEV has code to create the device in /dev/.static/dev/ if
that's a mount point and if udev is used.

Fixing this requires:
1/ udev to keep mounting the on-disk /dev on /dev/.static/dev
2/ fix packages to always call /dev/MAKEDEV if it exists (udev ensures it
   exists either as symlink to the real one or to /bin/true if makedev is
   not installed)

Should we do this?

In any case, I would like the result of this discussion to be summarized
in a README.Debian in makedev at the very least and possibly in the Debian
policy too. In that case, it should be mentionned that depending on
makedev is not necessary but that calling it on systems that have it
should always be done to support users that don't use udev.


In general this is not a very important scenario but I just stumbled on
the problem indirectly because I have a customized debian-installer where
chroots/virtual-machines are created during install and debian-installer
mount --bind his own udev-based /dev on /target/dev during initial
installation. When I reboot on the target system (that does not have
udev), the vtun service was not working properly (because its postinst
does not run MAKEDEV since /dev/net/tun was already existing).

Note that debian-installer was trying to do well and was mounting
the underlying /target/dev as /target/dev/.static/dev but the current code
is not working (see #585133).

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Re: status of circulars dependencies in unstable

2010-06-09 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen

[Bill Allombert]
> Here the list of current circular dependencies:
[...]
> * perl perl-modules

Heh, I suspect this one just caused a test upgrade I did of a KDE
desktop from Lenny to Squeeze to fail.

Upgrading perl-modules failed with this error message (in Norwegian,
sorry about that):

  dpkg: Kravproblem hindrer oppsettet av perl-modules:
   perl-modules krever perl (>= 5.10.1-1). Men:
Versjon av perl på systemet er 5.10.0-19lenny2.
  dpkg: Feil ved behandling av perl-modules (--configure):
   kravproblem - setter ikke opp pakken

This is while trying to upgrade 725 packages.  dpkg is complaining
that perl-modules require perl (>= 5.10.1-1), while only perl version
5.10.0-19lenny2 is available and aptitude end up failing to set up
perl-modules.

In the same upgrade, several KDE packages fail to upgrade because of a
missing conflict (#584861), so this is not the only issue left to fix
for upgrades to work, but thought it best to mention it here and ask
if this is caused by the perl<->perl-modules dependency loop or
something else.  Anyone know?

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Re: MAKEDEV, postinst and udev

2010-06-09 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Jun 09, Raphael Hertzog  wrote:

> This works well in most cases but if you're using udev when installing the
> package, MAKEDEV will not be called and the device has no chance to be
> created on the on-disk filesystem. If you later remove udev, you will have
> a broken system since the device won't be present.
Patient: Doctor, it hurts when I do this.
Doctor: Then stop doing it.

If you remove udev then you are on your own.

> 1/ udev to keep mounting the on-disk /dev on /dev/.static/dev
I removed this in 0.124-1, before lenny, and it will not be back.

> In any case, I would like the result of this discussion to be summarized
> in a README.Debian in makedev at the very least and possibly in the Debian
makedev has extra priority and is not installed by default, it does not
matter anymore.

> Note that debian-installer was trying to do well and was mounting
> the underlying /target/dev as /target/dev/.static/dev but the current code
> is not working (see #585133).
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Bug#585183: general: .deb packages open with Archive Manager by default, not Package Installer

2010-06-09 Thread di
Package: general
Severity: normal
Tags: squeeze

In GNOME the default open action for when double-clicking on a .deb package is
to open with Archive Manager, which then complains 'Could not create the
archive: Archive type not supported.'

The context menu shows as the second option 'Open with GDebi Package
Installer', and I think it would be hard to argue against this being a better
default, especially seeing as archive manager can't understand .debs itself
from a clean install...



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Re: MAKEDEV, postinst and udev

2010-06-09 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Wed, 09 Jun 2010, Marco d'Itri wrote:
> On Jun 09, Raphael Hertzog  wrote:
> If you remove udev then you are on your own.

There are still cases where not using udev is fine: chroots or in
openvz containers.

I would still want the packages requiring a device file to properly setup
it in those cases. So it's still worth to document what they should do
to support all use-cases...

> > 1/ udev to keep mounting the on-disk /dev on /dev/.static/dev
> I removed this in 0.124-1, before lenny, and it will not be back.

Why? Except for the additional mount point showing up in /proc/mounts it
did not hurt IMO.

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Re: Possible Mass Bug Filing: String Exceptions Removed in Python 2.6

2010-06-09 Thread Sandro Tosi
On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 04:43, Scott Kitterman  wrote:
> Without examining each package in detail, it's difficult to know the impact of
> this error on each package.  I expect to file the bugs at normal severity and
> leave it to maintainers to adjust it up or down.

The MBF just happened (result: 188 bugs sent). Given the current setup
of the machine where it was executed, it might take some time for all
the bugs to be on BTS. We decided for 'minor' as severity. Bugs are
usertagged and are/will be visible on this[1] page.

[1] 
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?users=debian-pyt...@lists.debian.org;tag=python2.6

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A lot of pending packages

2010-06-09 Thread Lorenzo De Liso
Hi all,

I'm a simple debian contributor: I'm trying to get my work in debian
through a sponsor [1] [2]. The problem is that I'm waiting for a sponsor
since 7 days+ (and not only me, in mentors.debian.net there are 20+
pending packages) [3]. Why are they in pending status and nobody wants
to upload them? I know, we all are busy with the real life things, but a
bit of attention should be given to that situation. The most important
questions are: if nobody wants to upload the pending packages, how can
you encourage the people which is trying to contribute for debian? If
that's not happening then it means you aren't doing a good work (yes and
I'm sorry to say that). How can we ask ubuntu prospective developers to
get their work in debian if their packages will not be sponsorized? [4]
My wish (for me and other contributors) is to see the list of the
pending uploads clean, with no pending packages. In case of
inconsistence with the debian packages and the debian policy I'd suggest
to use this mailing list as help for new contributions (someone is
already doing that), but from many time I see just "RFS" first of the
e-mail with few answer e-mail (not for all packages). 

[1] http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/2010/06/msg4.html 
[2] http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/2010/06/msg5.html
[3] http://mentors.debian.net/cgi-bin/sponsor-pkglist
[4]
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2010-April/030716.html 

Kind regards,

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Re: MAKEDEV, postinst and udev

2010-06-09 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Wed, 2010-06-09 at 17:04 +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> what should package that require a specific device file do in their postinst ?
> 
> Many packages verify that the device does not exist and verify that
> /dev/MAKEDEV exists and do "cd /dev && ./MAKEDEV something" only in
> that case.
[...]

They should do nothing.  The device driver will generate a uevent when
the device is created, and udev or other userland agent will create the
device node.  Since new device drivers do not get static device number
assignments, there is no way to create their device nodes statically.

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Re: MAKEDEV, postinst and udev

2010-06-09 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Jun 09, Raphael Hertzog  wrote:

> There are still cases where not using udev is fine: chroots or in
> openvz containers.
chroots can bind-mount the original /dev if needed and openvz containers
generally do not need other devices than the ones which come in the
template.

> > > 1/ udev to keep mounting the on-disk /dev on /dev/.static/dev
> > I removed this in 0.124-1, before lenny, and it will not be back.
> Why? Except for the additional mount point showing up in /proc/mounts it
> did not hurt IMO.
Too much pain, not enough gain. The details are in the changelog.
Every feature has a cost in terms of development and support time.

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Re: A lot of pending packages

2010-06-09 Thread Lorenzo De Liso
Hello,

Il giorno mer, 09/06/2010 alle 22.44 +, Sune Vuorela ha scritto:
> When I'm sponsoring packages, which happens from time to time, it is
> normally packages that I somehow have a interest in.
> I think that many other sponsors feel it the same way.

Sure and I'm agree about that.

> For example, my interests is mostly around KDE, and I really try to
> avoid python stuff. That kind of rules your two packages out for me.

That's right, everyone has its own skills, but if nobody will do that
the packages will be never uploaded in debian and some contributors can
feel themselves discouraged.

> I browsed quickly thru those 20+ packages,  and a lot of them hasn't
> been presented on debian-mentors. If they are just uploaded to mentors.dn
> and then left silent, then no one with notice.
> I have also seen discussions in other forums about some of the specific
> packages not presented on this list, so some people also just use
> mentors.dn to share the work with their 'normal' sponsors, and do the
> discussions outside this list, so that's also not a good metric.

You're right, but I was talking for packages which has been presented in
the debian-mentors mailing list.

> A recommended strategy is to package some apps that are interesting
> enough to get some DDs to work with you, and then you can also most
> likely get them to look at other of your stuff.

That's the most commonly situation, in this case, if the package will
look OK it will be uploaded soon. But the problem is that the people
can't find always free DDs to work with they.

> And another often recommended strategy is to help with existing
> packages, rather than introducing new.

Yes, I'm agree but if someone can't find the right package? if they want
their own packages uploaded into debian?

Until now I have always uploaded my work in ubuntu (the reason? I can't
find a sponsor for my debian work). 

Kind regards,

Lorenzo De Liso



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Re: A lot of pending packages

2010-06-09 Thread Lorenzo De Liso
Il giorno mer, 09/06/2010 alle 18.12 -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ha
scritto:
> I don't think you are going to get a lot of traction for any proposal that 
> removes a DD from the upload process.
> 
> So, lack of free DDs will always be a potential issue.  I suggest you 
> encourage people to become a DD.

I know few DDs which are busy and sometimes they can't sponsor packages.
Become a DD would be great but without a previous work for debian I
don't think you can become a DD. Am I wrong?


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Re: A lot of pending packages

2010-06-09 Thread Lorenzo De Liso
Hello,

Il giorno gio, 10/06/2010 alle 09.31 +1000, Craig Small ha scritto:

> That's exactly how I work when sponsoring packages.  I look after 7 of
> them and all 7 have a reason for being there. There is only 9 packages
> that are asking for sponsors.
>
> Whereas for me that would be my worst nightmare. A gui toolkit I don't
> use and haven't got install and a language I don't understand.  However,
> the variety of interests and skills is a good thing.
> 
> What Sune said is pretty good advice, you may also be able to ask people
> who look after similiar packages.  I sponsored purple-plugin-pack
> because I maintaint pidgin-musictracker.

Yes, what Sune said is right. But if it's supposed to be so then new
uploads will be processed slowly or never.

Kind regards,

Lorenzo De Liso



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Bug#585183: general: .deb packages open with Archive Manager by default, not Package Installer

2010-06-09 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mercredi 09 juin 2010 à 22:20 +0100, di a écrit :
> In GNOME the default open action for when double-clicking on a .deb package is
> to open with Archive Manager, which then complains 'Could not create the
> archive: Archive type not supported.'

That’s because currently it requires ar, for which you have to install
the whole binutils, which is 12 MiB. So we don’t do that.

> The context menu shows as the second option 'Open with GDebi Package
> Installer', and I think it would be hard to argue against this being a better
> default, especially seeing as archive manager can't understand .debs itself
> from a clean install...

This is clearly not an acceptable solution since GDebi will not check
whether the package has been signed by a trusted source before
installing it. Because of that the presence of gdebi by default has
already been questioned and I’m still not convinced.

Acceptable solutions include:
  * splitting ar out of binutils;
  * writing a new backend for file-roller that uses dpkg-deb for
debs instead of ar/tar.

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Bug#585383: ITP: xemacs-chise -- character prossessing based on CHISE Chaon model by xemacs

2010-06-09 Thread NIIBE Yutaka
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: NIIBE Yutaka 
Owner: NIIBE Yutaka 


* Package name: xemacs-chise
  Version : 0.23
  Upstream Author : MORIOKA Tomohiko 
* URL : http://www.kanji.zinbun.kyoto-u.ac.jp/projects/chise/xemacs/
* License : GPL
  Programming Lang: C, Emacs Lisp
  Description : character prossessing based on CHISE Chaon model by xemacs

The goal of CHISE (CHaracter Information Service Environment) project
is to organize a Knowledge-Base about characters in the world,
especially Kanji characters.

Chaon model is an architecture for text processing with character
objects, instead of coded characters.

XEmacs CHISE is a text editor implementation of CHISE Chaon model,
which can handle various Kanji characters.



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Bug#585385: general: Package GTK+3

2010-06-09 Thread Javier Jardón
Package: general
Severity: wishlist

GTK+ 3 development has begun.
There are already some tarballs of the actual development, take a look here: 
http://ftp.acc.umu.se/pub/GNOME/sources/gtk+/2.90/

This new version breaks ABI and API, so a new package should be created.


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Re: A lot of pending packages

2010-06-09 Thread Paul Wise
Firstly, 7 days is a very short period of time to be waiting for
sponsorship, some have been waiting since 2006.

About your two packages:

autotrash: sounds like the functionality should be part of GNOME/KDE,
please talk to upstream about moving it there.

ardentryst: seems like a good fit for the Debian games team:

http://wiki.debian.org/Games/Team

We would definitely welcome new people, especially if they want to
work on other games than their own. Please note the games team is
having slight sponsorship issues too.

On to your mail

The fact is that there just aren't enough people who have time and are
interested in sponsoring. Reviewing packages takes up a lot of time to
do properly, especially for new packages. It has been this way for as
long as I can remember. To fix this situation, we need:

More interest from DDs in sponsoring packages both within and outside
their areas of interest.

More motivation from DDs to spend more of their time on Debian and
less on other things like work, personal life, etc.

More interest from maintainers in putting effort into their packages.

More interest from maintainers in keeping the packages on mentors.d.n
up to date and automatic removal of mentors.d.n packages that haven't
been updated in more than X months.

More automated QA stuff for mentors.d.n and more visibility for that
info so maintainers actually notice issues.

Ways for maintainers to give answers to common sponsor questions along
with their upload so that the overhead for sponsors is reduced.

Some of the above is part of the proposed design for debexpo, which
really needs folks to step up and work on it (hint hint). Other parts
can be helped by sending DDs to DebConf, I've found that a big
motivator.

On a regular basis I look back through the -mentors archives for RFS
threads with no replies and do a review of a few that look
interesting. Most of the packages I look at during those reviews are
definitely not of sufficient quality to make me comfortable uploading
them. Many contain non-free stuff, lack source, FTBFS etc etc blah.
After I review them, often there are no replies, followups or updates
to the package at all. People posting RFS mails don't seem to put in
the effort to make good packages, which reduces my motivation to deal
with -mentors. And if I actually do an upload, then usually the
maintainer looses interest in Debian or in the package and it sits
there on my QA page gathering bugs and reducing my motivation.
Sometimes the package is beyond my skill level (such as Java or
complicated maintainer scripts) or written in languages I strongly
dislike (PHP), which means I review part of the package and will not
sponsor it.

Personally I won't be actually sponsoring packages on a regular basis
until debexpo is in better shape and gets deployed. The exceptions are
the occasional QA upload, RC bug fix, team upload or (much less
likely) when I'm actually impressed with the quality of the initial
RFS of a package.

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Processed: reassign 585385 to wnpp, retitle 585385 to RFP: gtk+3.0 -- the GTK+ 3.0 user interface library

2010-06-09 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
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Bug#585183: marked as done (general: .deb packages open with Archive Manager by default, not Package Installer)

2010-06-09 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
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Package: general
Severity: normal
Tags: squeeze

In GNOME the default open action for when double-clicking on a .deb package is
to open with Archive Manager, which then complains 'Could not create the
archive: Archive type not supported.'

The context menu shows as the second option 'Open with GDebi Package
Installer', and I think it would be hard to argue against this being a better
default, especially seeing as archive manager can't understand .debs itself
from a clean install...



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Le jeudi 10 juin 2010 à 01:56 +0200, Josselin Mouette a écrit :
> Acceptable solutions include:
>   * splitting ar out of binutils;
>   * writing a new backend for file-roller that uses dpkg-deb for
> debs instead of ar/tar.

You can thank my insomnia; I just implemented the latter.

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Re: Bug#585183: general: .deb packages open with Archive Manager by default, not Package Installer

2010-06-09 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen

[Josselin Mouette]
> That’s because currently it requires ar, for which you have to
> install the whole binutils, which is 12 MiB. So we don’t do that.

How many percent of the disk footprint of a Gnome desktop installation
is 12 MiB?

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Re: A lot of pending packages

2010-06-09 Thread أحمد المحمودي
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 10:13:35AM +0800, Paul Wise wrote:
> Sometimes the package is beyond my skill level (such as Java or
> complicated maintainer scripts) or written in languages I strongly
> dislike (PHP), which means I review part of the package and will not
> sponsor it.
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It would be nice to have a page on mentors.d.n to advice uploaders to 
actually seek sponsorship from relevant Debian teams (Gnome/Java/PHP...) 


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