Re: Popular packages in Ubuntu that is missing in Debian/main
Le dimanche 30 novembre 2008 à 20:59 -0600, Gunnar Wolf a écrit : > However, I find it > quite inferior both in usability and on quality to evince - Even now > that evince does properly(?) support provisions disallowing copying > from or printing a PDF. This “support” is disabled by default. Cheers, -- .''`. : :' : We are debian.org. Lower your prices, surrender your code. `. `' We will add your hardware and software distinctiveness to `-our own. Resistance is futile. signature.asc Description: Ceci est une partie de message numériquement signée
Need news for DeveloperNews
Hello, it's been a long time since I have been able to send out the last issue of "Misc devel news". I would like all developers to (regularly) make the effort to share some words about the cool stuff they are doing or are planning to do so that we can have something at least twice a month or so. The bar is not very high, I need 5 news and they can be as short as one paragraph. You can also use the DeveloperNews to post call for helps. Random ideas of stuff that would be (IMO) ok but that nobody has added yet: - packages.debian.org web interface runs on two hosts (round-robin DNS) - ftpmasters accept AGPL 3.0 in main - switch to mono 2.0 in preparation - important changes to debian-cd, hence tester needed - security team meeting results - lintian 2.X important changes - any nice new devscripts tool (or important improvement) - any important stuff that goes on in your team Basically when you post an important announce on a dedicated list, it can make sense to write a paragraph in DeveloperNews and point to that announce. I currently need 2 news: http://wiki.debian.org/DeveloperNews Cheers, -- Raphaël Hertzog Le best-seller français mis à jour pour Debian Etch : http://www.ouaza.com/livre/admin-debian/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Popular packages in Ubuntu that is missing in Debian/main
On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 08:59:31PM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > But anyway, and knowing this is not an Ubuntu list... Does anybody > know why on Earth is Acroread popular? Do you know any alternative PDF viewer which can be used to fill out PDF forms? My employer uses them quite a lot for things like travel expense reports... -- c u henning -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Popular packages in Ubuntu that is missing in Debian/main
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Gunnar Wolf wrote: > But anyway, and knowing this is not an Ubuntu list... Does anybody > know why on Earth is Acroread popular? Why isn't a PDF regularly > handled in a saner way with Evince (or kde-based lookalike) in some > distributions? Zillions of websites promote acroread via links and thumbnails. I've yet failed to find a site with a pdf and that 'download envince|kpdf|okular for free' button. Don't forget that many people use an inferior OS just out of convenience/marketing/whatever. Support for comments, forms and better rendering have also been rather recent additions of okular et al. At least up to the release of etch, acroread was just better in many ways. DRM has been mentioned before. FWIW, the German system of academic inter-library loan has recently started to ship pdfs with additional DRM meant to allow only two printouts of the pdf and invalidating the pdf after 30 days. (The pdf requires a proprietary plugin within acroread, IMHO has some serious security flaws, e.g. crashing on amd64, but what could I do? ). Johannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkkzuKcACgkQC1NzPRl9qEW74wCfcISw3YsvEWC6DIHQO7aITd9E 040Anj5Tt7Ka8mNNcYnsiQhBnLdTN8nV =+6iY -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [php-maint] Bug#341420: marked as done (code in exts/dbase is not DFSG-free)
On Mon, December 1, 2008 08:52, Thomas Viehmann wrote: > Mind you, acknowledging the fact that someone else took the trouble of > looking at your package might be an idea if you want to set an example > instead of just demanding politeness. So to conclude this thread, both sides could have done things better, and we're now going back to our development activities. thanks, Thijs -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Popular packages in Ubuntu that is missing in Debian/main
Hi Dne Mon, 1 Dec 2008 10:26:51 + Tzafrir Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> napsal(a): > nvidia-settings > Maybe this one belongs in contrib? This one already is in contrib: http://packages.debian.org/sid/nvidia-settings -- Michal Čihař | http://cihar.com | http://blog.cihar.com signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Popular packages in Ubuntu that is missing in Debian/main
On Mon, 01 Dec 2008, Henning Glawe wrote: > On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 08:59:31PM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > > But anyway, and knowing this is not an Ubuntu list... Does anybody > > know why on Earth is Acroread popular? > > Do you know any alternative PDF viewer which can be used to fill out PDF > forms? My employer uses them quite a lot for things like travel expense > reports... pdftk. pdftk foo.pdf generate_fdf foo.fdf; sensible-editor foo.fdf; pdftk foo.pdf fill_form foo.fdf output filled_foo.pdf; or pdf2ps foo.pdf; flpsed foo.ps You can also do this for non-form pdfs using xournal or similar. Don Armstrong -- Quite the contrary; they *love* collateral damage. If they can make you miserable enough, maybe you'll stop using email entirely. Once enough people do that, then there'll be no legitimate reason left for anyone to run an SMTP server, and the spam problem will be solved. -- Craig Dickson in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.donarmstrong.com http://rzlab.ucr.edu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#507436: ITP: jalview -- multiple alignment editor
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Vincent Fourmond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: jalview Version : 2.4 Upstream Author : Andrew Waterhouse; Jim Procter; David Martin; Geoff Barton * URL : http://www.jalview.org * License : GPL (v2 or later) Programming Lang: Java Description : multiple alignment editor JalView is a Java alignement editor that can work with sequence alignement produced by programs implementing alignment algorithms such as clustalw and kalign. . It has lots of features, and can be considered a decent BioEdit replacement for Debian systems. This program is in java and therefore comes with the standard bunch of java-related problems: binary jars in the source and the like. I haven't checked yet wether all dependencies are truly free of if they are packaged for Debian. I intend to place this package under the juridiction of the debian-java team, but I am aware it could also belong to the Debian Med Team... Cheers, Vincent -- System Information: Debian Release: lenny/sid APT prefers unstable APT policy: (500, 'unstable'), (500, 'testing'), (500, 'stable') Architecture: amd64 (x86_64) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Need news for DeveloperNews
On Mon, 1 Dec 2008 10:52:01 +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > Random ideas of stuff that would be (IMO) ok but that nobody has added > yet: > [..] > - switch to mono 2.0 in preparation Added a short paragraph to the wiki page :) Kindly, David -- . ''`. Debian maintainer | http://wiki.debian.org/DavidPaleino : :' : Linuxer #334216 --|-- http://www.hanskalabs.net/ `. `'` GPG: 1392B174 | http://snipr.com/qa_page `- 2BAB C625 4E66 E7B8 450A C3E1 E6AA 9017 1392 B174 signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Popular packages in Ubuntu that is missing in Debian/main
Hi
On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 04:05:09PM +0100, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote:
>
> This is how I made the list:
>
> GET http://popcon.ubuntu.com/by_vote.gz | gunzip > ubuntu-by_vote-all
> GET http://popcon.debian.org/main/by_vote.gz | gunzip > debian-by_vote-main
> grep -v '#' ubuntu-by_vote-all |awk '$4 > 1 {print $2}' | \
> sort > ubuntu-popular
> awk '{print $2}' debian-by_vote-main | sort > debian-main
> comm -23 ubuntu-popular debian-main
To focus the discussion a bit, here is the list after some manual
processing. Feel free to correct me.
In experimental:
kdebase-workspace-bin
kde-window-manager
libplasma2
Stuff that will not be in main. It's great stuff for off-topic threads:
Non-free "commercial":
acroread
acroread-escript
adobe-flashplugin
opera
picasa
rar
skype
sun-java5-bin
sun-java5-jre
sun-java6-bin
sun-java6-jdk
sun-java6-jre
unrar
virtualbox
virtualbox-2.0
(As opposed to virtualbox-ose?)
Non-free "patented":
avidemux
dvdrip
gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad-multiverse
gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly-multiverse
lame
transcode
vlc-plugin-pulse
non-free/contrib:
gstreamer0.10-pitfdll
mencoder
mjpegtools
nspluginwrapper
nvidia-173-modaliases
nvidia-177-kernel-source
nvidia-177-modaliases
nvidia-71-modaliases
nvidia-96-modaliases
nvidia-common
nvidia-glx
nvidia-glx-177
nvidia-glx-new
w32codecs
Obsolete?: No longer in latest Ubuntu
displayconfig-gtk
hwdb-client-common
hwdb-client-gnome
sessreg
volumeid
Different Packaging:
bluez
busybox-initramfs
system-config-printer-common
system-config-printer-gnome
Ubuntu's split is better here, per Sune's message.
firefox-2
firefox-3.0
firefox-3.0-branding
firefox-3.0-gnome-support
iceauth
language-pack-de
language-pack-de-base
language-pack-en
language-pack-en-base
language-pack-es
language-pack-es-base
language-pack-fr
language-pack-fr-base
libbluetooth3
libcamel1.2-14
libgnome-desktop-2-7
libgucharmap7
libltdl7
(We have different versions of those libraries. But then again, in most
cases a different library version is a different version of the same
package, and normally end users don't need the library itself)
linux-firmware
linux-headers-2.6.24-21
linux-headers-2.6.24-21-generic
linux-headers-2.6.27-7
linux-headers-2.6.27-7-generic
linux-image-2.6.22-14-generic
linux-image-2.6.22-15-generic
linux-image-2.6.24-16-generic
linux-image-2.6.24-19-generic
linux-image-2.6.24-21-generic
linux-image-2.6.27-7-generic
linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24-19-generic
linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24-21-generic
linux-restricted-modules-common
linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-19-generic
linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-21-generic
openoffice.org-l10n-common
openoffice.org-style-human
soprano-daemon
sysvutils
Or rather: really part of upstart
xdpyinfo
xkbutils
xmodmap
xorg-driver-fglrx
xrdb
xset
xsetroot
xvinfo
The following strike me at first as a bit Ubuntu-specific. That is not
to say that that they are not interesting. Please don't flame here but
point out those interesting packages for Debian.
Ubuntu-specific?:
hwtest
hwtest-gtk
landscape-common
kubuntu-artwork-usplash
language-selector
language-selector-common
launchpad-integration
liblaunchpad-integration1
onboard
powermanagement-interface
python-launchpad-bugs
python-launchpad-integration
restricted-manager
restricted-manager-core
ufw
usb-creator
usplash-theme-ubuntu
Others:
apparmor
apparmor-utils
Any work on that?
apport
apturl
Debian has aptlinex instead?
binutils-static
What's the point of that one?
bluez-gstreamer
compiz-wrapper
dkms
emerald
example-content
gdebi-kde
inputattach
jockey-common
jockey-gtk
jockey-kde
kio-umountwrapper
libcanberra-gnome
libcryptui0
libdca0
libebackend1.2-0
libedataserver1.2-11
libemeraldengine0
libfaac0
libgp11-0
nvidia-settings
Maybe this one belongs in contrib?
pxljr
python-apport
python-bittorrent
python-cupshelpers
python-gconf
python-gnomecanvas
python-problem-report
python-virtkey
python-xkit
seahorse-plugins
smartdimmer
system-config-printer-kde
Planned on next KDE major version, per Sune's message.
update-motd
upstart
upstart-compat-sysv
upstart-logd
A large number of those are lib* and python*. Those are not interesting
as-is to users, but may be pre-requirements for packaging other stuff.
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Re: Popular packages in Ubuntu that is missing in Debian/main
Le lundi 01 décembre 2008 à 10:26 +, Tzafrir Cohen a écrit : > libcamel1.2-14 > libgnome-desktop-2-7 > libgucharmap7 Already in experimental or soon to be. > libcryptui0 Different packaging. > libebackend1.2-0 > libedataserver1.2-11 New versions, soon to be in experimental. > python-cupshelpers Called python-cupsutils for the moment, will be renamed. > python-gconf > python-gnomecanvas We’ll probably split gnome-python* more thoroughly to help deprecate a number of modules. > seahorse-plugins Soon in experimental. Cheers, -- .''`. : :' : We are debian.org. Lower your prices, surrender your code. `. `' We will add your hardware and software distinctiveness to `-our own. Resistance is futile. signature.asc Description: Ceci est une partie de message numériquement signée
Re: Popular packages in Ubuntu that is missing in Debian/main
On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 10:26:51AM +, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: > Stuff that will not be in main. It's great stuff for off-topic threads: > Non-free "patented": > avidemux > dvdrip > gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad-multiverse > gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly-multiverse > lame > transcode > vlc-plugin-pulse There's nothing patented about the pulseaudio plugin for VLC. It's in multiverse because that's where vlc lives in Ubuntu. > non-free/contrib: > gstreamer0.10-pitfdll > mencoder > mjpegtools > nspluginwrapper I'm not clear on why this one is in multiverse in the first place, it appears to be licensed under the GPL. > Different Packaging: > bluez Mainly because Debian is behind a release on this, I think. > Ubuntu-specific?: > launchpad-integration > liblaunchpad-integration1 > python-launchpad-bugs > python-launchpad-integration Not specific to Ubuntu; whether there'll be interest in having these in Debian is another matter. > onboard Also not specific to Ubuntu, just not packaged for Debian yet. > powermanagement-interface Not likely to be useful per se, but only if someone finds it useful to have other packages using the interface. > ufw Not specific to Ubuntu, though I'm not sure whether the implementation is in a state currently where it warrants entertaining in Debian. > binutils-static > What's the point of that one? Providing a minimal binutils package that can be used for linking non-free kernel modules. Cheers, -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Popular packages in Ubuntu that is missing in Debian/main
On Dec 01, Gunnar Wolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > But anyway, and knowing this is not an Ubuntu list... Does anybody > know why on Earth is Acroread popular? Why isn't a PDF regularly I need it to view some large/complex PDF files with reasonable performace. Developers of free PDF viewers feel free to contact me for a copy... -- ciao, Marco signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Bug#507447: ITP: python-simplecouchdb -- simple library for working with Apache CouchDB
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Noah Slater <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: python-simplecouchdb Version : 0.9.1 Upstream Author : Benoit Chesneau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://www.example.org/ * License : Apache 2.0 Programming Lang: Python Description : simple library for working with Apache CouchDB Provides a simple high-level client library for Apache CouchDB, allowing you to model documents as Python classes. . Apache CouchDB is a distributed document database system with bi-directional replication. It makes it simple to build collaborative applications that can be replicated offline by users, with full interactivity (query, add, update, delete), and later "synced up" with everyone else's changes when back online. -- System Information: Debian Release: lenny/sid APT prefers testing APT policy: (990, 'testing'), (500, 'unstable'), (500, 'stable'), (1, 'experimental') Architecture: i386 (i686) -- Noah Slater, http://tumbolia.org/nslater -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Popular packages in Ubuntu that is missing in Debian/main
Gunnar Wolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Does anybody know why on Earth is Acroread popular? it is the only pdf viewer I know of that features full text search over several PDFs. An increadibly useful feature if you have a heap of PDFs and you don't know in what file exactly the information is you are looking for -- Gruesse/greetings, Reinhard Tartler, KeyID 945348A4 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: qmail and related packages in NEW
Hi Moritz, > Neil Williams wrote: > > It isn't just about choosing not to install it, it causes work for the > > various teams in Debian - security, release, QA. > > We've discussed this at the Security Team meeting in Essen and we don't > have a problem with qmail being included in Lenny. > > Cheers, > Moritz Thanks, Moritz! That's great news from the Security Team. So, the Security Team has no problem supporting qmail. Does anyone from the Release Team or the QA Teams have any objection to qmail being included in Lenny? Thanks, -dave -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#507451: ITP: iptux -- IP Messenger client for Linux
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: LI Daobing <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: iptux Version : 0.4.1 Upstream Author : Jally <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://code.google.com/iptux * License : GPLv2+ Programming Lang: C++ Description : IP Messenger client for Linux iptux is an IP Messenger client for Linux. . It support: - auto detect other clients in the intranet. - send message to other clients. - send file to other clients. -- System Information: Debian Release: lenny/sid APT prefers unstable APT policy: (500, 'unstable') Architecture: i386 (i686) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: qmail and related packages in NEW
[resending, b/c I still didn't see my last message make it to the list] Hi Moritz, "Moritz Muehlenhoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote > > Neil Williams wrote: > > It isn't just about choosing not to install it, it causes work for the > > various teams in Debian - security, release, QA. > > We've discussed this at the Security Team meeting in Essen and we don't > have a problem with qmail being included in Lenny. > > Cheers, > Moritz Thanks, Moritz! That's great news from the Security Team. So, the Security Team has no problem supporting qmail. Does anyone from the Release Team or the QA Teams have any objection to qmail being included in Lenny? Thanks, -dave -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Popular packages in Ubuntu that is missing in Debian/main
On Mon, 1 Dec 2008 10:26:51 +, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: > The following strike me at first as a bit Ubuntu-specific. That is not > to say that that they are not interesting. Please don't flame here but > point out those interesting packages for Debian. > > Ubuntu-specific?: > [..] > kubuntu-artwork-usplash > [..] > launchpad-integration > liblaunchpad-integration1 > [..] > python-launchpad-bugs > python-launchpad-integration These are all Ubuntu-specific to me. > restricted-manager > restricted-manager-core I was kinda working on it, and had something ready, but seems like I lost my sources :(. If someone else wants to do it before I do... > [..] > usplash-theme-ubuntu This is and must be Ubuntu-specific, I believe. > [..] > dkms I'm working on it already, pkg-dkms on Alioth. > [..] > upstart > upstart-compat-sysv > upstart-logd $ LANG=C apt-cache policy upstart upstart: Installed: 0.3.9-1 Candidate: 0.3.9-1 Version table: *** 0.3.9-1 0 1 http://debian.fastweb.it experimental/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status Kindly, David -- . ''`. Debian maintainer | http://wiki.debian.org/DavidPaleino : :' : Linuxer #334216 --|-- http://www.hanskalabs.net/ `. `'` GPG: 1392B174 | http://snipr.com/qa_page `- 2BAB C625 4E66 E7B8 450A C3E1 E6AA 9017 1392 B174 signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: qmail and related packages in NEW
"Neil Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Joerg Jaspert wrote: >>> Aside from these technical - and possibly fixable - problems, we >>> (as in the ftpteam) have discussed the issue, and we are all of >>> the opinion that qmail should die, and not receive support from >>> Debian. As such we *STRONGLY* ask you to reconsider uploading >>> those packages. So the "we" in the above statement includes the *entire* FTP Team? The Security Team has responded that it has no objections to adding qmail to Lenny. Who speaks for the QA and Release Teams (or for that matter, the *entire* Debian Developer community, and the user community??) >>> Qmail is dead upstream It may be your opinion that qmail is "dead upstream". My opinion (that of the qmail user community, and the original author) is that it works just as great now as it did in 1998 and has not needed an update! >>>and requires a whole set of patches to even begin to work in >>> the manner expected of a modern MTA. It needs configuration certainly. That is what this Debian package would provide. > Packages that are dead upstream are always going to be a headache for > the security team and the release team. Bit rot is a constant source of > new bugs as all the packages around the dead one(s) continue to be > developed and improved. The Security Team has met and announced that they have no objections to adding qmail to Lenny. Do you offer any other logical (not emotional) reasons that it should not be included? -dave -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: qmail and related packages in NEW
[resending, didn't see my last message make it to the list] Hi Moritz, "Moritz Muehlenhoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote > > Neil Williams wrote: > > It isn't just about choosing not to install it, it causes work for the > > various teams in Debian - security, release, QA. > > We've discussed this at the Security Team meeting in Essen and we don't > have a problem with qmail being included in Lenny. > > Cheers, > Moritz Thanks, Moritz! That's great news from the Security Team. So, the Security Team has no problem supporting qmail. Does anyone from the Release Team or the QA Teams have any objection to qmail being included in Lenny? Thanks, -dave -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: qmail and related packages in NEW
* Joerg Jaspert: > On 11583 March 1977, Gerrit Pape wrote: > > As i got asked for the complete text of the rejection mail, as the > thread start only had a partial quote, here it is. Thanks! > First - the packaging is nowhere near the standard Debian aspires to in the > archive: > > Qmail is an MTA and as such should follow Debian Policy (for example Section > 11.6). It's therefore not a very good start that an MTA package needs > additional packages (qmail-run) installed to perform the minimal tasks > required of mail-transport-agent, and yet another package (fastforward) to > support /etc/aliases. Yuck. I wasn't aware of that. So the security discussion was kind of a red herring, after all. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: qmail and related packages in NEW
* Joerg Jaspert: >>> It isn't just about choosing not to install it, it causes work for the >>> various teams in Debian - security, release, QA.=20 >> We've discussed this at the Security Team meeting in Essen and we don't >> have a problem with qmail being included in Lenny. > > Are you aware that qmail and its related packages do have a LOT of code > duplication? Personally, I'm more concerned about manual constant propagation in some parts of the code base (like using the integer literal 4 for the size of an IPv4 address), and similar coding style issues. But this is certainly not restricted to qmail (Bernstein's DNS code suffers from that to a higher degree, and it's in the archive). We have such issues in many, many packages, including recent additions to the archive. Like Moritz, I don't see issues with security support, provided that the number of additional patches is rather small. (To my knowledge, badly patched qmail with a SMTP AUTH bypass vulnerability was one of the few MTAs which were actually exploited to send spam in recent times.) I'm also not sure if upstream can be considered dead, and arguments along that line are not very convincing because similar criticism could be brought against our default MTA. I can understand that people have strong feelings. I'm willing to provide security support, but it's extremely unlikely that I'll run qmail on production MTAs ever again. 8-/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: qmail and related packages in NEW
* David Kaufman: > The Security Team has responded that it has no objections to adding > qmail to Lenny. Just to clarify, there are no objections with regard to security support. This does NOT mean that we want to see qmail in the archive while there are other open issues (as outlined in the rejection messaged Jörg forwarded). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Popular packages in Ubuntu that is missing in Debian/main
Marco d'Itri a écrit : > On Dec 01, Gunnar Wolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> But anyway, and knowing this is not an Ubuntu list... Does anybody >> know why on Earth is Acroread popular? Why isn't a PDF regularly > I need it to view some large/complex PDF files with reasonable > performace. > Developers of free PDF viewers feel free to contact me for a copy... I also have files that are too complex to render in short time when zooming. I also found a bug for the rendering of Axial Shadings in all free renderers. The details are here: http://jean-christophe.dubacq.fr/post/Why-do-I-prefer-Acrobat-Reader-to-other-free-PDF-readers I remember giving these details to some developers on irc at the beginning of the xpdf development, but I was too lazy to find the correct bugzilla and enter a minimal example file. I usually use xpdf for daily work. But sometimes, xpdf does not cut the mustard. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#507472: ITP: hunspell-gl-es -- Galician dictionary for hunspell
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Agustin Martin Domingo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Package name: hunspell-gl-es Version : 2.2 Upstream Author : Mar Castro Pereiro ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) for mancomun URL : http://wiki.mancomun.org/index.php/Corrector_ortográfico_para_OpenOffice.org License : GPLv2 Description : Galician dictionary for hunspell This is the Galician dictionary for hunspell spellchecker which is currently used within OpenOffice.org and the mozilla variants. It uses the official RAG (Real Academie Galega) standard. As opposed to dictionaries currently in Debian for ispell, aspell or myspell, which follow the minimos convention (before this dictionary, the closest to the official one), this dictionary is build to match the official convention. Because of the rules complexity this needs to be done for hunspell. -- Agustin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Popular packages in Ubuntu that is missing in Debian/main
* Marco d'Itri: > On Dec 01, Gunnar Wolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> But anyway, and knowing this is not an Ubuntu list... Does anybody >> know why on Earth is Acroread popular? Why isn't a PDF regularly > I need it to view some large/complex PDF files with reasonable > performace. Have you tried evince? For some reason, it used to be faster than the other free viewers (including xpdf itself). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why is acroread so popular?
* Petter Reinholdtsen: > [Gunnar Wolf] >> But anyway, and knowing this is not an Ubuntu list... Does anybody >> know why on Earth is Acroread popular? Why isn't a PDF regularly >> handled in a saner way with Evince (or kde-based lookalike) in some >> distributions? > > It is also popular in Debian. I asked the same question over at > debian-edu@, and got a lot of replies. I recommend looking at > http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg13528.html> > for that thread. For the record, I don't want Debian to be associated with Adobe Reader, even if it's only through non-free. It's very hard to provide any security support for Adobe software whatsoever because of their absurd distribution policy (which may not be directly their fault because they might have patent licenses with per-copy royalties, but still). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bug#507451: ITP: iptux -- IP Messenger client for Linux
On 12/01/08 07:43, LI Daobing wrote: Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: LI Daobing <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: iptux Version : 0.4.1 Upstream Author : Jally <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://code.google.com/iptux Google Error Not Found The requested URL /iptux was not found on this server. * License : GPLv2+ Programming Lang: C++ Description : IP Messenger client for Linux iptux is an IP Messenger client for Linux. . It support: - auto detect other clients in the intranet. - send message to other clients. - send file to other clients. How does this relate to IM, or to older protocols like "talk"? -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA How does being physically handicapped make me Differently-Abled? What different abilities do I have? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#507480: ITP: libclass-unload-perl -- unload a Perl class
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Damyan Ivanov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: libclass-unload-perl Version : 0.03 Upstream Author : Dagfinn Ilmari Mannsåker * URL : http://search.cpan.org/dist/Class-Unload/ * License : same as Perl (GPL-1+|Aeristic) Programming Lang: Perl Description : unload a Perl class Unloads the given class by clearing out its symbol table and removing it from %INC Package is a dependency of Padre and will be maintained under te pkg-perl umbrella. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Chdir to / in cron job for selinux
> > reassign 261213 ntp > Bug#261213: ntp-server: Chdir to / in cron job for selinux I don't see why you reassign it back to the ntp package. I'm not sure what you think has changed that it should be reassigned. I'm also not sure why it got cloned in the first place. We still need a general way to deal with this. Kurt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bug#507451: ITP: iptux -- IP Messenger client for Linux
On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 11:18:24 -0600 Ron Johnson wrote: > Google Error > Not Found > The requested URL /iptux was not found on this server. http://code.google.com/p/iptux/ is the right URL -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Popular packages in Ubuntu that is missing in Debian/main
Le lundi 01 décembre 2008 à 14:02 +0100, Reinhard Tartler a écrit : > > Does anybody know why on Earth is Acroread popular? > > it is the only pdf viewer I know of that features full text search over > several PDFs. An increadibly useful feature if you have a heap of PDFs > and you don't know in what file exactly the information is you are > looking for We also have tracker and beagle, which do that and much more. -- .''`. : :' : We are debian.org. Lower your prices, surrender your code. `. `' We will add your hardware and software distinctiveness to `-our own. Resistance is futile. signature.asc Description: Ceci est une partie de message numériquement signée
Re: [php-maint] Bug#341420: marked as done (code in exts/dbase is not DFSG-free)
* Raphael Geissert: > Also, the issue affects all versions of php from php3 to php5. So in > case you are interested in "fixing" the whole problem then deal with > the copies at archive.d.o, snapshot.d.n, and master. AFAIK, this is only the case for things that are non-distributable. Mere DFSG violations are not sufficient. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: qmail and related packages in NEW
David Kaufman wrote: > Hi Moritz, > >> Neil Williams wrote: >>> It isn't just about choosing not to install it, it causes work for the >>> various teams in Debian - security, release, QA. >> We've discussed this at the Security Team meeting in Essen and we don't >> have a problem with qmail being included in Lenny. >> >> Cheers, >> Moritz > > Thanks, Moritz! That's great news from the Security Team. > > So, the Security Team has no problem supporting qmail. Does anyone > from the Release Team or the QA Teams have any objection to qmail > being included in Lenny? We are in a freeze, having the latest release preparations, so introducing completely new packages in the release is not an option. I'm also not convinced that introducing yet another MTA which seems inferior compared to the existing ones in the archive is a very good idea. Cheers Luk -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Chdir to / in cron job for selinux
[Kurt Roeckx] > I don't see why you reassign it back to the ntp package. I'm not > sure what you think has changed that it should be reassigned. I guess you did not read the message in the reassign email then: ntp-server was merged with ntp. Reassign there instead of general. Not sure if it is the right package, but general obviously is the wrong one. It was assigned from the non-existing ntp-server to general by Martin Michlmayr, probably automatically because it was assigned to an non-existing package. As I knew where ntp-server went (into the ntp package), I reassigned it there. Happy hacking, -- Petter Reinholdtsen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: qmail and related packages in NEW
On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 03:33:43PM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote: > * Joerg Jaspert: > > First - the packaging is nowhere near the standard Debian aspires to in the > > archive: > > > > Qmail is an MTA and as such should follow Debian Policy (for example Section > > 11.6). It's therefore not a very good start that an MTA package needs > > additional packages (qmail-run) installed to perform the minimal tasks > > required of mail-transport-agent, and yet another package (fastforward) to > > support /etc/aliases. > > Yuck. I wasn't aware of that. So the security discussion was kind of > a red herring, after all. Hi, how exactly is that a policy violation? Please see the answer to that paragraph in my reply (including full quote) to the rejection mail http://lists.debian.org/debian-wnpp/2008/09/msg00055.html On Mon, Sep 01, 2008 at 10:36:07PM +, Gerrit Pape wrote: > Hmm, the MTA package actually is qmail-run, as can be read from the > README.Debian's in the qmail-run and qmail packages. And qmail-run > needs the qmail package, which provides the qmail programs and queue > structure, as well as the fastforward package, which provides support > for the /etc/aliases database. I can't see anything wrong with this, to > the contrary, the modularity of the packages provides more flexibility, > e.g.: > > o users can install the qmail package without the qmail-run package to >configure qmail as MTA manually, next to another MTA package already >installed on the system > o users can install the qmail package without the qmail-run package if >they wish to use some programs from the qmail package, e.g. >qmail-popup and qmail-pop3d, and wish to have a different default >MTA installed, such as postfix > o users can disable the /etc/aliases support, and switch to a different >alias handling if they like; the package providing the /etc/aliases >database support can then be removed from the system I still think this is a good thing, providing valuable flexibility to the users. What problem do you see? Is it that the packages are modularised, and not a single monolithic qmail package? Is it the name?, should the 'qmail-run' MTA package named 'qmail', and the current 'qmail' package 'qmail-core' or so? BTW, I maintain several packages in the Debian archive already that do just the same, a package containing the programs, and a separate package that provides the service. So I can happily run bincimap next to dovecot, and twoftpd next to some other ftp server, on the same machine. Users repeatedly request such thing, e.g. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/08/msg01308.html I know about that opinion http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/08/msg01329.html but actually nothing came up within three years http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=500176 Regards, Gerrit. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: qmail and related packages in NEW
On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 08:51:01PM +0100, Neil Williams wrote: > On Fri, 28 Nov 2008 18:12:42 + > Gerrit Pape <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Lacking any response, I can only guess what the reason for the delay > > is. > > IMHO, the response has been given and your replies have not provided > sufficient grounds to change the response. Personally, I think that is > entirely fair. > > > >From my point of view this reason is questionable, and I stated so > > >in my > > response to the reject mail. Receiving no response within eight weeks > > tells me that discussing doesn't work. > > Discussions only work when new information is available. Rehashing the > same points in the hope that repetition wins the day is just boring. Hi, surely new information was made available, see my reply to the rejection mail http://lists.debian.org/debian-wnpp/2008/09/msg00055.html Additionally to addressing technical issues, I took the advise from ftpmasters and reconsidered re-uploading the packages. After two months, and receiving several mails from users asking about the progress of the inclusion into Debian main after qmail was placed into the public domain, I re-read some public mails like http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=457318#35 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=457318#50 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=457318#111 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=457318#121 http://lists.debian.org/debian-wnpp/2008/03/msg00149.html http://lists.debian.org/debian-publicity/2008/07/msg3.html This made me think there're people interested in having the packages included, so here we are. > > On Mon, Sep 01, 2008 at 10:36:07PM +, Gerrit Pape wrote: > > > On Sun, Jul 06, 2008 at 02:19:30PM +, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > > > > Aside from these technical - and possibly fixable - problems, we > > > > (as in the ftpteam) have discussed the issue, and we are all of > > > > the opinion that qmail should die, and not receive support from > > > > Debian. As such we *STRONGLY* ask you to reconsider uploading > > > > those packages. > > > > > > > > Qmail is dead upstream and requires a whole set of patches to even > > > > begin to work in the manner expected of a modern MTA. Given > > > > this, the fact that this means there is also no upstream security > > > > support, and the fact that Debian already contains at least three > > > > reasonable MTAs, we see no need to add qmail to the archive. So - > > > > please reconsider if it really helps Debian to have those > > > > packages. Also feel free to start a public discussion on > > > > debian-devel@lists.debian.org about the issue, including any > > > > relevant information from this email, in order to gather opinions > > > > from other project members. > > To me, that sounds like a perfectly reasonable and calm response to > your original question. > > Packages that are dead upstream are always going to be a headache for > the security team and the release team. Bit rot is a constant source of > new bugs as all the packages around the dead one(s) continue to be > developed and improved. > > > > We all know, I guess, that there's lots of different opinions on the > > > quality and usability of qmail. There're people thinking like you, > > > and other people, including me, that have a different opinion. I > > > respect your opinion, please respect ours too. You're free to not > > > install/use the packages. I've been contacted by several people > > > since I announced my intention to package qmail, speaking in favor > > > of the inclusion into Debian. > There are always different opinions. What matters is whether there is > any new information to bring to the discussion. >From my experience, starting a discussion about what the ftpmasters wrote above leads to nowhere, so I refrained from doing so and talked about opinions. To me it's clear that upstream isn't dead, I see signs of him doing development on dnscurve for example. Also qmail has security support, not only that, it has a security guarantee. And it doesn't need a whole set of patches, I know that, I use my packages since years. Finally, the source package is netqmail, which is created by a team of valuable qmail contributors, maintained and supported by them. This information is included in debian/copyright and the README file. Regards, Gerrit. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bug#507451: ITP: iptux -- IP Messenger client for Linux
On 12/01/08 11:50, Evgeni Golov wrote: On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 11:18:24 -0600 Ron Johnson wrote: Google Error Not Found The requested URL /iptux was not found on this server. http://code.google.com/p/iptux/ is the right URL Thanks. But still: How does this relate to IM, or to older protocols like "talk"? (The Google Translation of the URL doesn't make much sense.) -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA How does being physically handicapped make me Differently-Abled? What different abilities do I have? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Popular packages in Ubuntu that is missing in Debian/main
On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 06:04:50PM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote: > * Marco d'Itri: > > On Dec 01, Gunnar Wolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> But anyway, and knowing this is not an Ubuntu list... Does anybody > >> know why on Earth is Acroread popular? Why isn't a PDF regularly > > > I need it to view some large/complex PDF files with reasonable > > performace. > > Have you tried evince? For some reason, it used to be faster than the > other free viewers (including xpdf itself). Did evince ever get support for PDF annotations? I found myself having to install Adobe Reader to try and get shared document review working, which seems to use the annotation with XML files feature. J. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Popular packages in Ubuntu that is missing in Debian/main
Henning Glawe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 08:59:31PM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote: >> But anyway, and knowing this is not an Ubuntu list... Does anybody >> know why on Earth is Acroread popular? > Do you know any alternative PDF viewer which can be used to fill out PDF > forms? My employer uses them quite a lot for things like travel expense > reports... Evince. (Since lenny, etch's version is too old.) cu andreas -- `What a good friend you are to him, Dr. Maturin. His other friends are so grateful to you.' `I sew his ears on from time to time, sure' -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Popular packages in Ubuntu that is missing in Debian/main
* Jonathan McDowell: > On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 06:04:50PM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote: >> * Marco d'Itri: >> > On Dec 01, Gunnar Wolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > >> >> But anyway, and knowing this is not an Ubuntu list... Does anybody >> >> know why on Earth is Acroread popular? Why isn't a PDF regularly >> >> > I need it to view some large/complex PDF files with reasonable >> > performace. >> >> Have you tried evince? For some reason, it used to be faster than the >> other free viewers (including xpdf itself). > > Did evince ever get support for PDF annotations? No one doubts that nothing is as feature-laden as Adobe Reader. Evince probably lacks video, Flash and Javascript support as well. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: qmail and related packages in NEW
* Gerrit Pape: > On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 03:33:43PM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote: >> * Joerg Jaspert: >> > First - the packaging is nowhere near the standard Debian aspires to in the >> > archive: >> > >> > Qmail is an MTA and as such should follow Debian Policy (for example >> > Section >> > 11.6). It's therefore not a very good start that an MTA package needs >> > additional packages (qmail-run) installed to perform the minimal tasks >> > required of mail-transport-agent, and yet another package (fastforward) to >> > support /etc/aliases. >> >> Yuck. I wasn't aware of that. So the security discussion was kind of >> a red herring, after all. > > Hi, how exactly is that a policy violation? If the MTA package is qmail-run, it must depend on fastforward, in order to comply with Policy 11.6 (a Recommends: is not sufficient, IMHO). Using a homegrown init system by default seems in conflict with Policy 9.3, in particular 9.3.2. > I still think this is a good thing, providing valuable flexibility to > the users. What problem do you see? Is it that the packages are > modularised, and not a single monolithic qmail package? Is it the > name?, should the 'qmail-run' MTA package named 'qmail', and the current > 'qmail' package 'qmail-core' or so? I guess qmail-run is fine for a package which does not integrate well with the standard Debian init system. However, my comment in response to Jörg's email was mainly intended to put the security team's response into perspective (given that arguments based on software security concerns are often used to back quite different goals). I did not want to focus on specific rejection reasons per se. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Popular packages in Ubuntu that is missing in Debian/main
On Dec 01, Florian Weimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Have you tried evince? For some reason, it used to be faster than the > other free viewers (including xpdf itself). Yes. Nowadays it's better indeed: after freezing the UI for 30 seconds while the CPU spins at full speed and reaching a RSS of 150 MB I can scroll over the whole document without other delays, which is almost acceptable for my purpose. Too bad it does not support a zoom level over 400%. -- ciao, Marco signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Popular packages in Ubuntu that is missing in Debian/main
On Mo, 01 Dez 2008, Marco d'Itri wrote: > Yes. Nowadays it's better indeed: after freezing the UI for 30 seconds > while the CPU spins at full speed and reaching a RSS of 150 MB I can Agreed, it is an overloaded something, unfortunately still xpdf is the only decent replacement, but it lacks s many things. To the guy who was rejecting annotations, please come back to real world, often I get back my articles from the publisher as pdf with annotations, and I have to add the changes with annotations. Umpf yes, that *is* real world. Still I have to have acroread hanging around, without it it is still in many cases a no-go. Ciao Norbert --- Dr. Norbert Preining <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Vienna University of Technology Debian Developer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Debian TeX Group gpg DSA: 0x09C5B094 fp: 14DF 2E6C 0307 BE6D AD76 A9C0 D2BF 4AA3 09C5 B094 --- GRIMMET (n.) A small bush from which cartoon characters dangle over the edge of a cliff. --- Douglas Adams, The Meaning of Liff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why is acroread so popular?
On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 18:16:03 +0100 Florian Weimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >For the record, I don't want Debian to be associated with Adobe >Reader, even if it's only through non-free. It's very hard to provide >any security support for Adobe software whatsoever because of their >absurd distribution policy (which may not be directly their fault >because they might have patent licenses with per-copy royalties, but >still). This is why it was removed from Ubuntu several releases ago. Scott K -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi all, mentor searching
Hi. I'm Alessandro Galli, an italian engeneer with the passion for open source. I'm cofounder of MontelLUG. Some time ago I've written a program to help sysadmin administering their servers. It's a wrapper for vnc and rdesktop: it's called krd and hosted in sourceforge. I've already made deb packages: there is someone that can help me adding this program in the debian repositories? Tks. Bye! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Hi all, mentor searching
Hello Alessandro, such an email, would have been better addressed to debian mentors mailing list (CCed). On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 22:23, Alessandro Galli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm Alessandro Galli, an italian engeneer with the passion for open source. > I'm cofounder of MontelLUG. > > Some time ago I've written a program to help sysadmin administering their > servers. It's a wrapper for vnc and rdesktop: it's called krd and hosted in > sourceforge. > > I've already made deb packages: there is someone that can help me adding > this program in the debian repositories? First of all, let me thank you for your interest in Debian. Debian packages need to respect many rules, all codified in Debian Policy, Developers Reference and New Maintainers Guide, that we suppose you've already read (if not, please do it as soon as you can). Once you believe you respect all those rules, please upload the proposed package to mentors.debian.net (instruction on that site) and the send an RFS (Request For Sponsors, template on mentors.d.n) to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Feel free to ask in case of any doubt. Regards, -- Sandro Tosi (aka morph, Morpheus, matrixhasu) My website: http://matrixhasu.altervista.org/ Me at Debian: http://wiki.debian.org/SandroTosi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Popular packages in Ubuntu that is missing in Debian/main
Marco d'Itri a écrit : > On Dec 01, Florian Weimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Have you tried evince? For some reason, it used to be faster than the >> other free viewers (including xpdf itself). > Yes. Nowadays it's better indeed: after freezing the UI for 30 seconds > while the CPU spins at full speed and reaching a RSS of 150 MB I can > scroll over the whole document without other delays, which is almost > acceptable for my purpose. > Too bad it does not support a zoom level over 400%. That would be because Evince (as does xpdf, and probably others) render the whole file, even though the display window shows only a small part of the file. I often zoom at 800%, sometimes 1600%, on a A0 map. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Popular packages in Ubuntu that is missing in Debian/main
On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 08:10:36PM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote: > * Jonathan McDowell: > > > On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 06:04:50PM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote: > >> * Marco d'Itri: > >> > On Dec 01, Gunnar Wolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > > >> >> But anyway, and knowing this is not an Ubuntu list... Does anybody > >> >> know why on Earth is Acroread popular? Why isn't a PDF regularly > >> > >> > I need it to view some large/complex PDF files with reasonable > >> > performace. > >> > >> Have you tried evince? For some reason, it used to be faster than the > >> other free viewers (including xpdf itself). > > > > Did evince ever get support for PDF annotations? > > No one doubts that nothing is as feature-laden as Adobe Reader. That wasn't the point I was trying to make; I was asking a genuine question about the status of evince (and would have been delighted to have been pointed at a repo with experimental code I could try out). J. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: qmail and related packages in NEW
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you wrote: > Personally, I'm more concerned about manual constant propagation in > some parts of the code base (like using the integer literal 4 for the > size of an IPv4 address), and similar coding style issues. But this > is certainly not restricted to qmail (Bernstein's DNS code suffers > from that to a higher degree, and it's in the archive). Well, do you think the size of ipv4 addresses ever will change? :) Gruss Bernd -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Game servers in /usr/games or /usr/sbin
Christian Perrier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Quoting Magnus Holmgren ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): >> Game executables should be installed in /usr/games, but what about game >> servers that are designed to be long-running (in contrast to ones that just >> manage a single game) and to run as a system daemon, and doesn't work if >> executed by an ordinary user? I don't think either Policy or the FHS >> mentions >> this explicitly, possibly because there are very few such executables. > > > #506811, right? > > Looking quickly at the existing ones, it seems that most of them do > not have the server executables placed in /usr/games. > > Whatever the answer is, I don't really see #506811 as an RC bug. The > user was misusing the package as he is not launching the game server > the way it is intended to be launched. > > So, whatever the answer to your question is, the bug should IMHO be > closed. > > Maybe another can be opened for moving the binary to /usr/sbin, > depending on what this discussion gives Why should the server be in roots path? Games should never be run as root. If the server is to be started by a user then /usr/games. Otherwise I would go for /usr/lib/package/. MfG Goswin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Popular packages in Ubuntu that is missing in Debian/main
On Mo, 01 Dez 2008, Jean-Christophe Dubacq wrote: > That would be because Evince (as does xpdf, and probably others) render > the whole file, even though the display window shows only a small part Right, and that is a pain. A friend has programmed a Windows version using fltk, texlua (lua interpreter with TeX bindings) and we ship it in TeX Live, but it works only on Windows (till now). The point is that it can zoom in arbitrarily, I mean *really* deep, examining the single curves of letters ... That would be something I *really* would like to have. Best wishes Norbert --- Dr. Norbert Preining <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Vienna University of Technology Debian Developer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Debian TeX Group gpg DSA: 0x09C5B094 fp: 14DF 2E6C 0307 BE6D AD76 A9C0 D2BF 4AA3 09C5 B094 --- ABERBEEG (vb.) Of amateur actors, to adopt a Mexican accent when called upon to play any variety of foreigner (except Pakistanis - from whom a Welsh accent is considered sufficient). --- Douglas Adams, The Meaning of Liff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Popular packages in Ubuntu that is missing in Debian/main
On Dec 01, Jean-Christophe Dubacq <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That would be because Evince (as does xpdf, and probably others) render > the whole file, even though the display window shows only a small part > of the file. I often zoom at 800%, sometimes 1600%, on a A0 map. How? The user interface only allows me to zoom up to 400%. -- ciao, Marco signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Popular packages in Ubuntu that is missing in Debian/main
On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 10:19:42PM +, Jonathan McDowell wrote: > That wasn't the point I was trying to make; I was asking a genuine > question about the status of evince (and would have been delighted to > have been pointed at a repo with experimental code I could try out). Were you looking for http://svn.gnome.org? Michael -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bug#507451: ITP: iptux -- IP Messenger client for Linux
Hello, On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 2:50 AM, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 12/01/08 11:50, Evgeni Golov wrote: >> >> On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 11:18:24 -0600 Ron Johnson wrote: >> >>> Google Error >>> Not Found >>> The requested URL /iptux was not found on this server. >> >> http://code.google.com/p/iptux/ is the right URL > > Thanks. > > But still: How does this relate to IM, or to older protocols like "talk"? > (The Google Translation of the URL doesn't make much sense.) > 1. it has a friendly interface 2. it can auto detect all clients in the intranet 3. it does not need a center server. 4. it can add internet client by IP 5. the file transfer speed is very fast (MSN, gtalk only has several KB/s here) -- Best Regards, LI Daobing -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Popular packages in Ubuntu that is missing in Debian/main
On Mon, 2008-12-01 at 22:41 +0100, Jean-Christophe Dubacq wrote: > That would be because Evince (as does xpdf, and probably others) render > the whole file, even though the display window shows only a small part > of the file. Fixing this is on the roadmap[0] for Evince 2.26, but I don't know if anyone is really working on it. In the upstream bug report[1], it's described as "quite hard to fix". 0. http://live.gnome.org/Evince/Roadmap 1. http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=303365 -- Cheers, Sven Arvidsson http://www.whiz.se PGP Key ID 760BDD22 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Game servers in /usr/games or /usr/sbin
On Tue, 2008-12-02 at 00:08 +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > Christian Perrier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Quoting Magnus Holmgren ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > >> Game executables should be installed in /usr/games, but what about game > >> servers that are designed to be long-running (in contrast to ones that > >> just > >> manage a single game) and to run as a system daemon, and doesn't work if > >> executed by an ordinary user? I don't think either Policy or the FHS > >> mentions > >> this explicitly, possibly because there are very few such executables. > > > > > > #506811, right? > > > > Looking quickly at the existing ones, it seems that most of them do > > not have the server executables placed in /usr/games. > > > > Whatever the answer is, I don't really see #506811 as an RC bug. The > > user was misusing the package as he is not launching the game server > > the way it is intended to be launched. > > > > So, whatever the answer to your question is, the bug should IMHO be > > closed. > > > > Maybe another can be opened for moving the binary to /usr/sbin, > > depending on what this discussion gives > > Why should the server be in roots path? Games should never be run as > root. [...] This is just as true for many other network servers, but by convention they live in /usr/sbin. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings Klipstein's 4th Law of Prototyping and Production: A fail-safe circuit will destroy others. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Popular packages in Ubuntu that is missing in Debian/main
While not in official Debian repos, the ones that aren't in non-free are in the Debian-multimedia.org repo and quite a few are in backports.org. While a few are Ubuntu specific packages, that would have little to no value in Debian. LEGAL NOTICE Unless expressly stated otherwise, this message is confidential and may be privileged. It is intended for the addressee(s) only. Access to this E-mail by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not an addressee, any disclosure or copying of the contents of this E-mail or any action taken (or not taken) in reliance on it is unauthorized and may be unlawful. If you are not an addressee, please inform the sender immediately. Every reasonable precaution has been taken to ensure that any attachment to this email has been swept for viruses, I assume no liability for any damage sustained as a result of software viruses, and would advise that you carry out your own virus checks before opening any attachment.
Bug#507529: ITP: bauble -- Bauble is a biodiversity collection manager software application
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Giacomo Catenazzi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: bauble Version : 0.8.5 Upstream Author : Brett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://bauble.belizebotanic.org * License : GPL v2 Programming Lang: Python Description : Bauble is a biodiversity collection manager software application Bauble is a software application to help you (yes you) manage a collection of botanical specimens. It is intended to be used by botanic gardens, herbaria, arboreta, etc. to manage their collection information. It is a open, free, cross-platform alternative to BG-Base and similiar software. Features: - Bauble is designed to be simple, elegant and intuitive. - Bauble can use different database backends and is tested against SQLite and PostgreSQL. - Bauble can generate reports through an XSL formatter backend. - Bauble is transaction safe. - Bauble can export data in CSV or Access to Biological Collection Data (ABCD) format. In the future we hope to support other standard formats such as DarwinCore, ITF2, BioCASE, TAPIR, etc. - Bauble supports tagging. You can tag any arbitrary data stored in a Bauble managed database with arbitrary names. - and lots more. -- System Information: Debian Release: lenny/sid APT prefers unstable APT policy: (500, 'unstable') Architecture: amd64 (x86_64) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Popular packages in Ubuntu that is missing in Debian/main
Marco d'Itri a écrit : > On Dec 01, Jean-Christophe Dubacq <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> That would be because Evince (as does xpdf, and probably others) render >> the whole file, even though the display window shows only a small part >> of the file. I often zoom at 800%, sometimes 1600%, on a A0 map. > How? The user interface only allows me to zoom up to 400%. > I meant, with Acrobat Reader I do that. With Evince, I do not even try (the fact that my computer has a quite large RAM makes it possible to look at it at 400%, but it's a few minutes before the image is there). Evince also has the funny shading effect. -- JCD -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
