Sidux?
Hi, Are some DDs or -devel@ readers involved into Sidux development? What's their exact technical model? They duplicate the whole archive, or just change a few packages and use the normal Debian archive for the rest of the packages? (what does /etc/apt/* look like?) Are there opportunities to collaborate with them on some things? Thank you, -- | Lucas Nussbaum | [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.lucas-nussbaum.net/ | | jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG: 1024D/023B3F4F | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sidux?
On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 2:21 PM, Lucas Nussbaum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What's their exact technical model? They duplicate the whole archive, or > just change a few packages and use the normal Debian archive for the > rest of the packages? (what does /etc/apt/* look like?) >From what I could tell when trying out Ubuntu's merge-o-matic, they use the Debian sid archive, add a bunch of branding and other packages (inc a kernel) and then add a few changes to some of the packages from sid. -- bye, pabs http://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sidux?
On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 08:21:16AM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > Are some DDs or -devel@ readers involved into Sidux development? I'm not involved, I just had a look... > What's their exact technical model? They duplicate the whole archive, or > just change a few packages and use the normal Debian archive for the > rest of the packages? (what does /etc/apt/* look like?) As of http://sidux.com/index.php?module=pnWikka&tag=APTsources a common sources.list looks like , | # Debian Unstable | deb http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free | deb-src http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free | | # Sidux | deb http://sidux.com/debian/ sid main contrib non-free fix.main fix.contrib fix.non-free vdr ` Cheers, Hauke signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Sidux?
On 2008-10-16, Lucas Nussbaum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > Are some DDs or -devel@ readers involved into Sidux development? > > What's their exact technical model? They duplicate the whole archive, or > just change a few packages and use the normal Debian archive for the > rest of the packages? (what does /etc/apt/* look like?) > > Are there opportunities to collaborate with them on some things? I got a bit scared once I visited sidux (or the thing they forked from, kanotix) irc channel and in topic there was suggestions to do as root wget -q -O - http://some/path/...sh | sh - and evil perl oneliners to mock with configuration files. /Sune -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#502424: ITP: libmoosex-emulate-class-accessor-fast-perl -- Emulate Class::Accessor::Fast using Moose attributes
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: "Krzysztof Krzyżaniak (eloy)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: libmoosex-emulate-class-accessor-fast-perl Version : 0.00300 Upstream Author : Guillermo Roditi (groditi) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://search.cpan.org/dist/MooseX-Emulate-Class-Accessor-Fast/ * License : Dual: GPL/Artistic Programming Lang: Perl Description : Emulate Class::Accessor::Fast using Moose attributes MooseX::Emulate::Class::Accessor::Fast attempts to emulate the behavior of Class::Accessor::Fast as accurately as possible using the Moose attribute system. The public API of Class::Accessor::Fast is wholly supported, but the private methods are not. If you are only using the public methods (as you should) migration should be a matter of switching your use base line to a with line. -- System Information: Debian Release: lenny/sid APT prefers unstable APT policy: (500, 'unstable'), (1, 'experimental') Architecture: i386 (i686) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#502402: ITP: xtables-addons -- Extensions for iptables
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Pierre Chifflier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: xtables-addons Version : 1.5.7 Upstream Author : Jan Engelhardt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://jengelh.medozas.de/projects/xtables/ * License : GPLv2 Programming Lang: C Description : Extensions for iptables The xtables userspace code is an ongoing development effort to bring new ideas to the iptables, ip6tables, arptables and ebtables userspace programs. It provides a lot of patches for new features in Linux kernels 2.6.25 that have not yet gone upstream into the official “iptables” package. It contains new targets for iptables, such as TARPIT, CHAOS, TEE, geoip, etc. -- System Information: Debian Release: lenny/sid APT prefers unstable APT policy: (500, 'unstable'), (1, 'experimental') Architecture: amd64 (x86_64) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sidux?
Chris Lamb wrote: > There already have been and will be even more for squeeze. > Can't remember what > they did with live-initramfs though. they redone it properly from scratch by pulling out every unnecessary crap (which we inherited from ubuntu). once we do the same in debian after lenny, at least grml.org, sidux and debian can then use identical base live-initramfs and divert only in the sysvinit parts of it (rather than in the initramfs parts). -- Address:Daniel Baumann, Burgunderstrasse 3, CH-4562 Biberist Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Internet: http://people.panthera-systems.net/~daniel-baumann/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sidux?
Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > Are there opportunities to collaborate with them on some things? There already have been; Sidux's liveCD used to be built by the Debian Live CD creation tools - they contributed patches, ideas and support to live-helper until they reimplemented it in Python. Can't remember what they did with live-initramfs though. Regards, -- ,''`. : :' : Chris Lamb `. `'` [EMAIL PROTECTED] `- signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Bug#502402: ITP: xtables-addons -- Extensions for iptables
Pierre, hi again,
Pierre Chifflier wrote:
> Package: wnpp
> Severity: wishlist
> Owner: Pierre Chifflier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> * Package name: xtables-addons
> Version : 1.5.7
> Upstream Author : Jan Engelhardt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> * URL : http://jengelh.medozas.de/projects/xtables/
> * License : GPLv2
> Programming Lang: C
> Description : Extensions for iptables
>
> The xtables userspace code is an ongoing development effort to bring new
> ideas to the iptables, ip6tables, arptables and ebtables userspace
> programs. It provides a lot of patches for new features in Linux kernels
> 2.6.25 that have not yet gone upstream into the official “iptables”
> package.
> It contains new targets for iptables, such as TARPIT, CHAOS, TEE, geoip,
> etc.
Instead of creating an alioth project for ulogd as we dicussed
yesterday, perhaps it would make sense to create a common alioth project
and team, say pkg-netfilter, to maintain ulogd, xtables, iptables,
ebtables, arptables, conntrackd, libnfnetlink,
libnetfilter-{conntrack,log,queue}, nufw?
The involved people would be:
Pierre Chifflier(xtables*, ulogd2, nufw)
Laurence J. Lane(iptables)
Jochen Friedrich(arptables & ebtables)
Jan Christoph Nordholz (ebtables)
Max Kellermann ("netfilter maintainers", libnf*)
Alexander Wirt ("netfilter maintainers", libnf*)
Hilko Bengen(ulog-acctd)
Achilleas Kotsis(ulogd)
myself :) (ulogd, I'd be interested to work on
other packages, if needed)
There are many similarities and/or cross-dependencies between those and
AFAIK there are going to be more -- I've read that in the latest
Netfilter workshop there was a proposal for nftables, an iptables
replacement (perhaps ebtables and arptables too).
Correct me if I'm wrong; Pierre you told me you were at the workshop,
perhaps you know more.
Alexander and Max already began such an effort but perhaps it's a good
idea expanding the team and organizing it better (use alioth, a VCS etc.)
What do you all think?
Regards,
Faidon
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Bug#502482: ITP: xplot-xplot.org -- fast tool to graph and visualize lots of data
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Noah Meyerhans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: xplot-xplot.org Version : 0.90.7.1 Upstream Author : Tim Shepard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://www.xplot.org/ * License : MIT Programming Lang: C, Perl Description : fast tool to graph and visualize lots of data xplot is a fast visualization tool for examining multiple data sets in parallel plots. It supports easy zoom-in and zoom-out capabilities, and synchronized views into multiple data sets (with the -x, -y, and -tile options). The upstream package is named simply "xplot", but this conflicts with a different (incompatible) package already in the archive and is thus being packaged under a different name. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bug#502482: ITP: xplot-xplot.org -- fast tool to graph and visualize lots of data
On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 03:42:59PM -0400, Noah Meyerhans wrote: > * Package name: xplot-xplot.org > Version : 0.90.7.1 > Upstream Author : Tim Shepard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > * URL : http://www.xplot.org/ > * License : MIT > Programming Lang: C, Perl > Description : fast tool to graph and visualize lots of data > > xplot is a fast visualization tool for examining multiple data sets in > parallel plots. It supports easy zoom-in and zoom-out capabilities, and > synchronized views into multiple data sets (with the -x, -y, and -tile > options). > > The upstream package is named simply "xplot", but this conflicts with a > different (incompatible) package already in the archive and is thus > being packaged under a different name. Looks like the last release was in 2003, is this still maintained upstream? If not, what make it stand out beyond the other plotting apps we have already? cheers, Michael -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: Bug#502482: ITP: xplot-xplot.org -- fast tool to graph and visualize lots of data
On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 10:02:00PM +0200, Michael Banck wrote: > > * Package name: xplot-xplot.org > > > > xplot is a fast visualization tool for examining multiple data sets in > > parallel plots. It supports easy zoom-in and zoom-out capabilities, and > > synchronized views into multiple data sets (with the -x, -y, and -tile > > options). > > Looks like the last release was in 2003, is this still maintained > upstream? If not, what make it stand out beyond the other plotting apps > we have already? Fast zoom-in, zoom-out and panning on multiple plots on large datasets is something very little plotting apps do. The only good app that can do that that I've used is kst. I haven't tried xplot, but if it can do this then it would stand out (especially since it's a very small tool). -- Met vriendelijke groet / with kind regards, Guus Sliepen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Sidux?
Hi Lucas, On Thursday 16 October 2008 16:21:16 Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > Hi, > > Are some DDs or -devel@ readers involved into Sidux development? No Developers afaik. A couple of readers though. > > What's their exact technical model? They duplicate the whole archive, or > just change a few packages and use the normal Debian archive for the > rest of the packages? Distribute an installable live media which is based on software from the Debian sid archive at any given point in time, plus the necessary packages required for the live media to become possible (a live initramfs, some live media only initscripts, installation infrastructure) as well as our own linux image/module packages, some artwork and desktop preseed data. We try to adhere to the DFSG as close as possible [0]. Our distributable media contains only software which is in Debian main, or the main component of the sidux software archive (software existing in sidux/main adheres to same guidelines as Debian/main). No firmware, 3rd party multimedia stuff or other proprietary software or drivers are provided on the distributed media. There are a couple of home grown softwares included, such as a multi-lingual 'sidux' manual, a (K)control centre module for administrative tasks and an application for writing basic /etc/network/interfaces stanzas for standard desktop networking situations. Support requests and bugs are proxied by the sidux forums and irc channel. The community of sidux users make use of the infrastructure to discuss things desktop users usually discuss, and occasionally they report problems with broken packages which pop up in the sid archive. These problems can be dealt with a couple of ways, someone can cook up some crackful sed/perl one-liner to hack system files in ways not understood by the person executing them (thanks pusling for pointing this out in another reply, but we do not do that) or the bug report can be taken to the Debian BTS so that the problem may be addressed in a packaging update or enhancement. We choose the latter method. A lot of times a problem reported in the forum or on irc is already reported to the Debian BTS and we can supply a transient package NMU via our repository (fix.main section) to fix the immediate breakage, or we can put up a big warning sign in the forum/irc so that people restrain from upgrading their system during problematic periods and wait for the problem to be fixed within Debian. If the problem is not yet reported, we try to get a bug report + patch if possible to the BTS. As a rule, we hardly ever maintain a delta to software existing in Debian archive, except in the following situations: * we require modifications to achieve particular needs/persuits/goals: - linux kernel packages (using same packaging as Debian, with a maintained delta) - kernel module packages which compile against these new Linux versions, or are not yet in Debian - gfxboot patches for legacy grub, to enhance user experience with live media - our live media infrastructure, which existed before live-initramfs/helper was forked from casper and we don't particularly want to throw away just now (we never used live-helper, as lamby's reply suggests, just shared some knowledge) * it is severely broken and the Debian maintainer doesn't do anything for long periods (eg, sysvinit + libata shutdown, xserver-xorg-video-vesa) * one of us is heavily involved in Debian maintenance of the software, giving us a pool of users to test changes before going to Debian with them (eg, wpasupplicant, insserv, lirc) > (what does /etc/apt/* look like?) etc/apt/ |-- apt.conf.d | |-- 01autoremove | |-- 70debconf | `-- 80sidux |-- secring.gpg |-- sources.list |-- sources.list.d | |-- debian.list | `-- sidux.list |-- trustdb.gpg |-- trusted.gpg `-- trusted.gpg~ $ cat etc/apt/apt.conf.d/80sidux | grep -v '^//' APT::Get::AutomaticRemove "0"; APT::Get::HideAutoRemove "1"; APT::Install-Recommends "0"; APT::Install-Suggests "0"; Debug::pkgAutoRemove "0"; $ cat etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ sid main #deb-src http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ sid main deb http://sidux.com/debian/ sid main fix.main #deb-src http://sidux.com/debian/ sid main fix.main > > Are there opportunities to collaborate with them on some things? We collaborate on a few things already, none of them particularly major with respect to Debian's normal ongoings, but never the less, we try to exert our influences in areas we care about if we have the opportunity and ability: * maintain a few packages in Debian * submit patches to enhance packages in Debian, or create packages which are later adopted by a Debian Developer * report bugs in software distributed by Debian The people who do this work do so on their own accord, and do not particularly claim their allegiance to the sidux group or whatever by way of email address or some footnote on bottom of every communication. Therefore, our
Re: Bug#502482: ITP: xplot-xplot.org -- fast tool to graph and visualize lots of data
On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 10:08:49PM +0200, Guus Sliepen wrote: > > Looks like the last release was in 2003, is this still maintained > > upstream? If not, what make it stand out beyond the other plotting apps > > we have already? > > Fast zoom-in, zoom-out and panning on multiple plots on large datasets is > something very little plotting apps do. The only good app that can do that > that I've used is kst. I haven't tried xplot, but if it can do this then it > would stand out (especially since it's a very small tool). The real reason I want to upload this is because it's useful for the tcptrace package, which has finally seen some maintainer attention after a long period of neglect. While tcptrace does include a script for converting its output to a format usable by gnuplot, it was written with the xplot.org tool in mind and works better with it. noah signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Bug#502402: ITP: xtables-addons -- Extensions for iptables
On 2008/10/16 20:36, Faidon Liambotis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There are many similarities and/or cross-dependencies between those and > AFAIK there are going to be more -- I've read that in the latest > Netfilter workshop there was a proposal for nftables, an iptables > replacement (perhaps ebtables and arptables too). > Correct me if I'm wrong; Pierre you told me you were at the workshop, > perhaps you know more. > > Alexander and Max already began such an effort but perhaps it's a good > idea expanding the team and organizing it better (use alioth, a VCS etc.) > > What do you all think? +1 from me. We are already maintaining our packages in a (private) subversion repository which we could (and should) move to Alioth. Of course it's a good idea to have a bigger team, since I am an unofficial Debian maintainer, and sometimes Alexander doesn't have enough time to sponsor my package uploads, leading to unnecessary delays. Max -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Work-needing packages report for Oct 17, 2008
The following is a listing of packages for which help has been requested through the WNPP (Work-Needing and Prospective Packages) system in the last week. Total number of orphaned packages: 441 (new: 3) Total number of packages offered up for adoption: 124 (new: 0) Total number of packages requested help for: 49 (new: 0) Please refer to http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/ for more information. The following packages have been orphaned: libnagios-object-perl (#501941), orphaned 5 days ago Description: Parse and represent Nagios configuration as objects in Perl Installations reported by Popcon: 48 nautilus-share (#501938), orphaned 5 days ago Description: Nautilus extension to share folder using Samba Installations reported by Popcon: 442 php-openid (#501946), orphaned 5 days ago Description: php openid library Installations reported by Popcon: 38 438 older packages have been omitted from this listing, see http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/orphaned for a complete list. No new packages have been given up for adoption, but a total of 124 packages are awaiting adoption. See http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/rfa_bypackage for a complete list. For the following packages help is requested: apache2 (#470795), requested 217 days ago Description: Co-maintainer wanted Reverse Depends: achims-guestbook ampache apache2 apache2-dbg apache2-mpm-event apache2-mpm-itk apache2-mpm-prefork apache2-mpm-worker apache2-prefork-dev apache2-suexec (154 more omitted) Installations reported by Popcon: 39393 ara (#450876), requested 340 days ago Description: utility for searching the Debian package database Installations reported by Popcon: 113 athcool (#278442), requested 1451 days ago Description: Enable powersaving mode for Athlon/Duron processors Installations reported by Popcon: 235 bash-completion (#472468), requested 206 days ago Description: programmable completion for the bash shell Installations reported by Popcon: 17071 cvs (#354176), requested 966 days ago Description: Concurrent Versions System Reverse Depends: crossvc cvs-autoreleasedeb cvs-buildpackage cvs2cl cvs2html cvschangelogbuilder cvsconnect cvsd cvsdelta cvsps (12 more omitted) Installations reported by Popcon: 21889 darcs (#486192), requested 124 days ago Description: an advanced revision control system Reverse Depends: arch2darcs darcs-buildpackage darcs-load-dirs darcs-monitor darcs-server darcsweb Installations reported by Popcon: 1366 dctrl-tools (#448284), requested 355 days ago Description: Command-line tools to process Debian package information Reverse Depends: aptfs debian-goodies dlocate feta haskell-devscripts hg-buildpackage ia32-archive ia32-libs-tools mlmmj sbuild (1 more omitted) Installations reported by Popcon: 8924 dpkg (#282283), requested 1426 days ago Description: dselect: a user tool to manage Debian packages Reverse Depends: alien alsa-source apt-build apt-cross apt-src backuppc build-essential bzr-builddeb cacao-oj6-dbg cacao-oj6-jdk (118 more omitted) Installations reported by Popcon: 77272 drscheme (#402589), requested 675 days ago Description: PLT scheme programming environment Reverse Depends: drscheme minlog proofgeneral-minlog Installations reported by Popcon: 345 elvis (#432298), requested 465 days ago Description: powerful clone of the vi/ex text editor (with X11 support) Reverse Depends: elvis elvis-console elvis-tools Installations reported by Popcon: 379 fglrx-driver (#454993), requested 313 days ago (non-free) Description: non-free AMD/ATI r5xx, r6xx display driver Reverse Depends: fglrx-amdcccle fglrx-atieventsd fglrx-control fglrx-driver fglrx-glx fglrx-glx-ia32 fglrx-kernel-src Installations reported by Popcon: 2125 flightgear (#487388), requested 117 days ago Description: Flight Gear Flight Simulator Installations reported by Popcon: 936 gentoo (#422498), requested 529 days ago Description: a fully GUI-configurable, two-pane X file manager Installations reported by Popcon: 275 gnat-4.3 (#475374), requested 189 days ago Description: help needed to execute test cases Reverse Depends: adabrowse adacontrol asis-programs ghdl gnade-bin gnat gnat-4.3 gnat-gps libadasockets-dev libahven13 (45 more omitted) Installations reported by Popcon: 469 gnat-gps (#496905), requested 49 days ago Description: co-maintainer needed Installations reported by Popcon: 117 grub (#248397), requested 1620 days ago De
Re: Sidux?
Quoting Kel Modderman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): (thanks for all details which, I think, are very welcomed by debian-devel readers) > There are a couple of home grown softwares included, such as a multi-lingual > 'sidux' manual, a (K)control centre module for administrative tasks and an About the multi-lingual manual, it could be interesting if the Debian i18n crowd is associated to it. At least, it could bring more localization work. My personal feeling is that it is very much welcomed to see derived distros participate in debian-i18n for their localization work, particularly when they entirely comply with the ground principles of Debian, which Sidux seems to (as far as I understand from your post). > * it is severely broken and the Debian maintainer doesn't do anything for long > periods (eg, sysvinit + libata shutdown, xserver-xorg-video-vesa) It would be interesting to have some interaction with debian-qa, here signature.asc Description: Digital signature
