Re: Forming a new linux Distrbution

2007-10-15 Thread Andreas Tille

On Mon, 15 Oct 2007, nithi saro wrote:


planning to build new linux
distribution.We don't have any idea how to start and how to
proceed.Soplease give detailed
steps to build a new one from scratch (LFS).


The first thing what would be really interesting is what your are
missing in an existing distribution (for instance Debian) so hardly
that you want to do the grunt work that more than 1000 people are
currently doing for you voluntarily.  Just name three valid reasons
to start a distribution from scratch.

Kind regards

   Andreas.

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Re: Bits from the Testing Security team

2007-10-15 Thread Francesco P. Lovergine
On Sun, Oct 14, 2007 at 11:38:35PM +0200, Stefan Fritsch wrote:
> 
> Embedded code copies
> 
> 
> There are a number of packages including source code from external
> libraries, for example poppler is included in xpdf, kpdf and others.  To
> ensure that we don't miss any vulnerabilities in packages that do so we
> maintain a list[6] of embedded code copies in Debian. It is preferable
> that you do not embed copies of code in your packages, but instead link
> against packages that already exist in the archive. Please contact us
> about any missing items you know about.
> 

Unfortunately this is not always viable, because in some cases embedded
libraries are de facto forks of the original ones, or the program
depends on a specific version (and API) of the library.
I wonder if in those special cases an Embed:  tag could be added in
debian/control to help tracking things.



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Re: Bits from the Testing Security team

2007-10-15 Thread Nico Golde
Hi Francesco,
* Francesco P. Lovergine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-10-15 11:08]:
> On Sun, Oct 14, 2007 at 11:38:35PM +0200, Stefan Fritsch wrote:
> > 
> > Embedded code copies
> > 
> > 
> > There are a number of packages including source code from external
> > libraries, for example poppler is included in xpdf, kpdf and others.  To
> > ensure that we don't miss any vulnerabilities in packages that do so we
> > maintain a list[6] of embedded code copies in Debian. It is preferable
> > that you do not embed copies of code in your packages, but instead link
> > against packages that already exist in the archive. Please contact us
> > about any missing items you know about.
> > 
> 
> Unfortunately this is not always viable, because in some cases embedded
> libraries are de facto forks of the original ones, or the program
> depends on a specific version (and API) of the library.

Yes true but in most cases the code base is nearly the same 
and we can check this without knowing ;)

> I wonder if in those special cases an Embed:  tag could be added in
> debian/control to help tracking things.

That would be a nice thing, also if this would include 
information if the code is really included or just 
statically linked against it.
Kind regards
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Re: Bits from the Testing Security team

2007-10-15 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Sun, Oct 14, 2007 at 11:38:35PM +0200, Stefan Fritsch wrote:
> Embedded code copies
> 
> There are a number of packages including source code from external
> libraries, for example poppler is included in xpdf, kpdf and others.  To
> ensure that we don't miss any vulnerabilities in packages that do so we
> maintain a list[6] of embedded code copies in Debian. It is preferable
> that you do not embed copies of code in your packages, but instead link
> against packages that already exist in the archive. Please contact us
> about any missing items you know about.
>
> [6]: 
> http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/secure-testing/data/embedded-code-copies?op=file&rev=0&sc=0

After a first reading of this, I though you didn't care about statically
linked libraries as that can be spotted by looking at build-depends.
However, looking at [6] I noticed that some of the embeddings are
reported as "(link statically)" or similar.

So, question, do you want to have reports also of missing pieces of
statically linked code snippets in that list?

If so I've recently uploaded (still in NEW) OCaml bindings for syck
which statically links parts of libsyck-dev. ATM it is not possible to
do any better, since a shared version of libsyck is not produces by the
syck source package.

I think syck is potentially security risky, since it is often used to
parse third party data. You might want to look at syck bindings for
other languages; for sure in Debian we also have Python and Perl syck
bindings ...

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Re: Bits from the Testing Security team

2007-10-15 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Mon, Oct 15, 2007 at 11:06:32AM +0200, Francesco P. Lovergine wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 14, 2007 at 11:38:35PM +0200, Stefan Fritsch wrote:
> > 
> > Embedded code copies
> > 
> > 
> > There are a number of packages including source code from external
> > libraries, for example poppler is included in xpdf, kpdf and others.  To
> > ensure that we don't miss any vulnerabilities in packages that do so we
> > maintain a list[6] of embedded code copies in Debian. It is preferable
> > that you do not embed copies of code in your packages, but instead link
> > against packages that already exist in the archive. Please contact us
> > about any missing items you know about.
> 
> Unfortunately this is not always viable, because in some cases embedded
> libraries are de facto forks of the original ones, or the program
> depends on a specific version (and API) of the library.

Or in rare cases, the shared libraries are forks of embedded code, eg
the case of Xpdf which has been forked to make libpoppler.


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Re: Bits from the Testing Security team

2007-10-15 Thread Francesco P. Lovergine
On Mon, Oct 15, 2007 at 11:20:02AM +0200, Nico Golde wrote:
> 
> Yes true but in most cases the code base is nearly the same 
> and we can check this without knowing ;)
> 
> > I wonder if in those special cases an Embed:  tag could be added in
> > debian/control to help tracking things.
> 
> That would be a nice thing, also if this would include 
> information if the code is really included or just 
> statically linked against it.
> Kind regards
> Nico

Well, I would consider statically linking a non embedded (i.e. a packaged) 
library a bug... Are there known cases where this is a required condition?

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Re: Bits from the Testing Security team

2007-10-15 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Mon, Oct 15, 2007 at 11:29:16AM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
> So, question, do you want to have reports also of missing pieces of
> statically linked code snippets in that list?

On request of Steffen Joeris I'm following up here with a chat log
between we two:

  (15:34:40) white: hi
  (15:36:11) white: i read your mail, can you maybe elaborate it a bit?
 i am not quite sure, if i get your case of code duplication right
  (15:36:47) zack: my point is: ocaml-syck (but is just an example) is
 now statically linked with libsyck
  (15:37:04) zack: is the security team aware that they need to rebuild
 ocaml-syck if they found a security bug in libsyck?
  (15:40:34) white: no, at least i would not think about it
  (15:40:59) white: that is an interesing (and unfortunate) point
  (15:41:04) zack: ok, so we actually need a list also of statically
 linked stuff
  (15:41:13) zack: please reply on list with this reasoning of ours
  (15:41:57) white: please do me a favour and paste this log into an
 email and mail it to the list
  (15:42:03) white: i will look into it tomorrow
  (15:42:11) zack: ok
  (15:42:17) white: thanks

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Re: Bits from the Testing Security team

2007-10-15 Thread Nico Golde
Hi Francesco,
* Francesco P. Lovergine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-10-15 16:05]:
> On Mon, Oct 15, 2007 at 11:20:02AM +0200, Nico Golde wrote:
> > 
> > Yes true but in most cases the code base is nearly the same 
> > and we can check this without knowing ;)
> > 
> > > I wonder if in those special cases an Embed:  tag could be added 
> > > in
> > > debian/control to help tracking things.
> > 
> > That would be a nice thing, also if this would include 
> > information if the code is really included or just 
> > statically linked against it.
> 
> Well, I would consider statically linking a non embedded (i.e. a packaged) 
> library a bug... Are there known cases where this is a required condition?

Yes, dpkg for example links statically against libbz2 and zlib just to 
pick a famous example.
Kind regards
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Bug#446766: ITP: qavimator -- a BVH animation editor for 3D virtual worlds such as secondlife

2007-10-15 Thread robin cornelius
Package: wnpp
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* Package name: qavimator
  Version : 0.0.193
  Upstream Author : Zi Ree <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
* URL : http://www.qavimator.org
* License : GPL
  Programming Lang: C++
  Description : a BVH animation editor for 3D virtual worlds such as 
secondlife

qavimator is a QT, BVH animation editor and allows the creation and editing of 
BVH avatar animations. These are 
commonly used in the 3D metaverse Secondlife (SL) for the in-world animation of 
avatars. The application allows full 
control of each joint but is supplied with default SL joint movement 
limitations. Key frames can be specified and 
animations interpolated between them. Basic props may also be used to aid the 
correct positioning of your animations 
with respect to objects. qavimator is tuned specificly for generation of 
animations for Secondlife.

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Re: Bits from the Testing Security team

2007-10-15 Thread Luis Matos

Nico Golde escreveu:

Hi Francesco,
* Francesco P. Lovergine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-10-15 16:05]:
  

On Mon, Oct 15, 2007 at 11:20:02AM +0200, Nico Golde wrote:

Yes true but in most cases the code base is nearly the same 
and we can check this without knowing ;)


  

I wonder if in those special cases an Embed:  tag could be added in
debian/control to help tracking things.

That would be a nice thing, also if this would include 
information if the code is really included or just 
statically linked against it.
  
Well, I would consider statically linking a non embedded (i.e. a packaged) 
library a bug... Are there known cases where this is a required condition?



Yes, dpkg for example links statically against libbz2 and zlib just to 
pick a famous example.

Kind regards
Nico
  


So ... do as i say, don't do as i do !!!

kind regards

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Re: Bits from the Testing Security team

2007-10-15 Thread Francesco P. Lovergine
On Mon, Oct 15, 2007 at 04:17:35PM +0200, Nico Golde wrote:
> > > > I wonder if in those special cases an Embed:  tag could be 
> > > > added in
> > > > debian/control to help tracking things.
> > > 
> > > That would be a nice thing, also if this would include 
> > > information if the code is really included or just 
> > > statically linked against it.
> > 
> > Well, I would consider statically linking a non embedded (i.e. a packaged) 
> > library a bug... Are there known cases where this is a required condition?
> 
> Yes, dpkg for example links statically against libbz2 and zlib just to 
> pick a famous example.
> Kind regards
> Nico
> 

So two different fields would be useful, the static related one would
be probably better depending on the right -dev package instead of the source
package. Maybe something like

Embedded-Sources: , ...
Static-Build-Depends: , ...

with usual version relationships.

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ITP: nedi -- A lightweight network management framework

2007-10-15 Thread Hendrik Frenzel
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  Description : A lightweight network management framework

NeDi is a lightwheight network management framework, which is based on a
scheduled discovery, a SQL backend and a web based user interface.

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Re: Bits from the Testing Security team

2007-10-15 Thread Ian Jackson
Nico Golde writes ("Re: Bits from the Testing Security team"):
> Yes, dpkg for example links statically against libbz2 and zlib just to 
> pick a famous example.

IMO this is a mistake, and I hope it will be reversed soon ...

Ian.


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Bug#446791: ITP: python-pycg -- NVIDIA's Cg 1.4 for Python

2007-10-15 Thread Sandro Tosi
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* Package name: python-pycg
  Version : 0.14.1
  Upstream Author : Calle Lejdfors <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
* URL : http://www.cs.lth.se/home/Calle_Lejdfors/pygpu/
* License : ?
  Programming Lang: Python
  Description : NVIDIA's Cg 1.4 for Python


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Bug#446790: ITP: python-pyglew -- GLEW bindings for Python

2007-10-15 Thread Sandro Tosi
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* Package name: python-pyglew
  Version : 0.1.2
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  Description : GLEW bindings for Python

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Re: Bits from the Testing Security team

2007-10-15 Thread Nico Golde
Hi Ian,
* Ian Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-10-15 19:59]:
> Nico Golde writes ("Re: Bits from the Testing Security team"):
> > Yes, dpkg for example links statically against libbz2 and zlib just to 
> > pick a famous example.
> 
> IMO this is a mistake, and I hope it will be reversed soon ...

quoting Adam Heath from #debian-devel:
2007-10-15 18:07  dpkg's configure has an option for using shared 
libraries or static linking
2007-10-15 18:08  for gzip, it can do a static library link, a dynamic 
library link, or a  runtime fork/exec of gzip
2007-10-15 18:08  afaicr, when I did the patch
2007-10-15 18:10  the real reason, is dpkg used to only fork/exec gzip
2007-10-15 18:11  for efficiency, I gave it an option to link to zlib
2007-10-15 18:11  however, I didn't want to introduce another 
dependency into the base system
2007-10-15 18:11  so I made it link statically

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Re: Bits from the Testing Security team

2007-10-15 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Mon, Oct 15, 2007 at 08:48:02PM +0200, Nico Golde wrote:
> Hi Ian,
> * Ian Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-10-15 19:59]:
> > Nico Golde writes ("Re: Bits from the Testing Security team"):
> > > Yes, dpkg for example links statically against libbz2 and zlib just to 
> > > pick a famous example.
> > 
> > IMO this is a mistake, and I hope it will be reversed soon ...
> 
> quoting Adam Heath from #debian-devel:
> 2007-10-15 18:07  dpkg's configure has an option for using shared 
> libraries or static linking
> 2007-10-15 18:08  for gzip, it can do a static library link, a 
> dynamic library link, or a  runtime fork/exec of gzip
> 2007-10-15 18:08  afaicr, when I did the patch
> 2007-10-15 18:10  the real reason, is dpkg used to only fork/exec gzip
> 2007-10-15 18:11  for efficiency, I gave it an option to link to zlib
> 2007-10-15 18:11  however, I didn't want to introduce another 
> dependency into the base system
> 2007-10-15 18:11  so I made it link statically

Current priority required pacakges having a (pre) depends on zlib1g:
- util-linux

Priority important:
- gnupg
- gpgv
- libgnutls13
- libopencdk10
- libopencdk8
- libssl0.9.8
- man-db

Standard:
- libmagic1
- openssh-client
- pciutils
- w3m

I don't think you'll add much to base.


Kurt


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Re: Forming a new linux Distrbution

2007-10-15 Thread Dirk Neumann
On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 09:46:40 +0200 (CEST)
Andreas Tille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Just name three valid reasons
> to start a distribution from scratch.

1. It is the home exercise in "Operating Systems" until next week.
2. Why do you want to have all the fun?
3. For any other reason, see 1.)

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Re: Bits from the Testing Security team

2007-10-15 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Mon, Oct 15, 2007 at 09:08:06PM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 15, 2007 at 08:48:02PM +0200, Nico Golde wrote:
> > Hi Ian,
> > * Ian Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-10-15 19:59]:
> > > Nico Golde writes ("Re: Bits from the Testing Security team"):
> > > > Yes, dpkg for example links statically against libbz2 and zlib just to 
> > > > pick a famous example.
> > > 
> > > IMO this is a mistake, and I hope it will be reversed soon ...
> > 
> > quoting Adam Heath from #debian-devel:
> > 2007-10-15 18:07  dpkg's configure has an option for using shared 
> > libraries or static linking
> > 2007-10-15 18:08  for gzip, it can do a static library link, a 
> > dynamic library link, or a  runtime fork/exec of gzip
> > 2007-10-15 18:08  afaicr, when I did the patch
> > 2007-10-15 18:10  the real reason, is dpkg used to only fork/exec 
> > gzip
> > 2007-10-15 18:11  for efficiency, I gave it an option to link to 
> > zlib
> > 2007-10-15 18:11  however, I didn't want to introduce another 
> > dependency into the base system
> > 2007-10-15 18:11  so I made it link statically
> 
> Current priority required pacakges having a (pre) depends on zlib1g:
> - util-linux
> 
> Priority important:
> - gnupg
> - gpgv
> - libgnutls13
> - libopencdk10
> - libopencdk8
> - libssl0.9.8
> - man-db
> 
> Standard:
> - libmagic1
> - openssh-client
> - pciutils
> - w3m

The same for libbz2-1.0 only returns gnupg.


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Re: Forming a new linux Distrbution

2007-10-15 Thread Ron Johnson
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On 10/15/07 14:11, Dirk Neumann wrote:
> On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 09:46:40 +0200 (CEST)
> Andreas Tille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> Just name three valid reasons
>> to start a distribution from scratch.
> 
> 1. It is the home exercise in "Operating Systems" until next week.

If I'm paying University US$5,000/semester for my progeny pun
intended?) to learn how to build a distro, then I'm one more-than-
slightly upset parent...

> 2. Why do you want to have all the fun?
> 3. For any other reason, see 1.)

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Re: Bug#446791: ITP: python-pycg -- NVIDIA's Cg 1.4 for Python

2007-10-15 Thread Guus Sliepen
On Mon, Oct 15, 2007 at 08:15:32PM +0200, Sandro Tosi wrote:

> Package: wnpp
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> Owner: Sandro Tosi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> * Package name: python-pycg
>   Version : 0.14.1
>   Upstream Author : Calle Lejdfors <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> * URL : http://www.cs.lth.se/home/Calle_Lejdfors/pygpu/
> * License : ?

You must specify the license that governs this package.

>   Programming Lang: Python
>   Description : NVIDIA's Cg 1.4 for Python

You also must write a long description. Please reply to this message
with the missing information, so we can have a look at it. The same goes
for the PyGLEW package.

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Re: Bug#446791: ITP: python-pycg -- NVIDIA's Cg 1.4 for Python

2007-10-15 Thread Sandro Tosi
Hi Guus,

> > Package: wnpp
> > Severity: wishlist
> > Owner: Sandro Tosi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> > * Package name: python-pycg
> >   Version : 0.14.1
> >   Upstream Author : Calle Lejdfors <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > * URL : http://www.cs.lth.se/home/Calle_Lejdfors/pygpu/
> > * License : ?
>
> You must specify the license that governs this package.
>
> >   Programming Lang: Python
> >   Description : NVIDIA's Cg 1.4 for Python
>
> You also must write a long description. Please reply to this message
> with the missing information, so we can have a look at it. The same goes
> for the PyGLEW package.

Thanks for your reply. I know I have to provide licence and long
description, but as of now I still don't know them; I've contacted
upstream author (the same of pygpu, I'm packaging it and it depends on
pyglew and pycg provided by upstream) regarding the packages he
provides, since they are only a bunch of binary files (with no source)
and an installer python script.

I'll surely write down those information as soon as I'll be sure about that.

Thanks,
Sandro

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Re: Bug#446791: ITP: python-pycg -- NVIDIA's Cg 1.4 for Python

2007-10-15 Thread Guus Sliepen
On Mon, Oct 15, 2007 at 10:20:34PM +0200, Sandro Tosi wrote:

> > You also must write a long description. Please reply to this message
> > with the missing information, so we can have a look at it. The same goes
> > for the PyGLEW package.
> 
> Thanks for your reply. I know I have to provide licence and long
> description, but as of now I still don't know them; I've contacted

Maybe you don't know the license (although PyGPU is GPL version 2, it
says so in COPYRIGHT.txt), but you can already write a long description.

> upstream author (the same of pygpu, I'm packaging it and it depends on
> pyglew and pycg provided by upstream) regarding the packages he
> provides, since they are only a bunch of binary files (with no source)
> and an installer python script.

Well, the PyGLEW package should also be GPL version 2. If it has a
license incompatible with GPLv2, then you cannot link both that library
and PyGPU to an application, and the website says that PyGPU doesn't
work without PyGLEW.

While you're at it, tell upstream that they should include the full
license text in COPYRIGHT.txt, or ask if they really expect everyone to
write a letter to the Free Software Foundation :)

> I'll surely write down those information as soon as I'll be sure about that.

Ok, but next time explicitly mention that you are missing information
(and why) in the ITP.

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Re: Bug#446791: ITP: python-pycg -- NVIDIA's Cg 1.4 for Python

2007-10-15 Thread Sandro Tosi
> > I'll surely write down those information as soon as I'll be sure about that.
>
> Ok, but next time explicitly mention that you are missing information
> (and why) in the ITP.

Hi Guus,
I'm sorry if I did some mistakes; these ITP was meant as a "marker"
for the intention to package those libs, and I'll fill missing
information as soon as I got them in the deb packages themselves.

Thanks for pointing out that,
Sandro

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Re: Bits from the Testing Security team

2007-10-15 Thread Moritz Muehlenhoff
On 2007-10-15, Stefano Zacchiroli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
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> On Mon, Oct 15, 2007 at 11:29:16AM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
>> So, question, do you want to have reports also of missing pieces of
>> statically linked code snippets in that list?

Yes, this list has always included apps linking statically.

Cheers,
Moritz


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Re: Forming a new linux Distrbution

2007-10-15 Thread Shannon Peevey
> > 1. It is the home exercise in "Operating Systems" until next week.

Homework should be left up to the student, and not answered here...

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Re: Bits from the Testing Security team

2007-10-15 Thread Francesco P. Lovergine
On Mon, Oct 15, 2007 at 08:40:01PM +0200, Moritz Muehlenhoff wrote:
> On 2007-10-15, Stefano Zacchiroli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> So, question, do you want to have reports also of missing pieces of
> >> statically linked code snippets in that list?
> 
> Yes, this list has always included apps linking statically.
> 
> Cheers,
> Moritz
> 
Anyway having a way to distinguish source-embedded by statically-linked
would be useful. IMHO the second case is almost always an error, but
for special cases (static linked shell for instance).

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Re: Bug#446791: ITP: python-pycg -- NVIDIA's Cg 1.4 for Python

2007-10-15 Thread Steve Greenland
On 15-Oct-07, 15:44 (CDT), Sandro Tosi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> I'm sorry if I did some mistakes; these ITP was meant as a "marker"
> for the intention to package those libs, and I'll fill missing
> information as soon as I got them in the deb packages themselves.

ITPs serve as a marker, but also as way to get some of the package
basics right before you upload debs and people spend time translating
them. The sooner you find and fix a bug, the easier it is.

Steve

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Re: Bits from the Testing Security team

2007-10-15 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Tue, Oct 16, 2007 at 12:20:52AM +0200, Francesco P. Lovergine wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 15, 2007 at 08:40:01PM +0200, Moritz Muehlenhoff wrote:
> > On 2007-10-15, Stefano Zacchiroli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >> So, question, do you want to have reports also of missing pieces of
> > >> statically linked code snippets in that list?
> > 
> > Yes, this list has always included apps linking statically.
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > Moritz
> > 
> Anyway having a way to distinguish source-embedded by statically-linked
> would be useful. IMHO the second case is almost always an error, but
> for special cases (static linked shell for instance).
> 
Additionally, packages with embedded sources require patching, while
packages which statically link only require rebuilding.

Regards,

-Roberto

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why MIA database restricted only for DDs

2007-10-15 Thread Kamaraju S Kusumanchi
Hi

Is there any reason why the database containing maintainers MIA (missing
in action) is available only for DDs? The developers-reference.pdf tells to
use mia-query for this (chapter 7). But the command is on a Debian machine
which can only be accesses by DDs. Can this be changed?

thanks
raju

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Re: Bits from the Testing Security team

2007-10-15 Thread Jonas Meurer
On 15/10/2007 Francesco P. Lovergine wrote:
> > > I wonder if in those special cases an Embed:  tag could be added 
> > > in
> > > debian/control to help tracking things.
> > 
> > That would be a nice thing, also if this would include 
> > information if the code is really included or just 
> > statically linked against it.
> > Kind regards
> > Nico
> 
> Well, I would consider statically linking a non embedded (i.e. a packaged) 
> library a bug... Are there known cases where this is a required condition?

cryptsetup is statically linked against libgcrypt and libgpg-error, as
both are in /usr/lib, and relying on a mounted /usr is not an option for
cryptsetup.

...
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Re: why MIA database restricted only for DDs

2007-10-15 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Mon, Oct 15, 2007 at 09:15:27PM -0400, Kamaraju S Kusumanchi wrote:
> Is there any reason why the database containing maintainers MIA (missing
> in action) is available only for DDs? The developers-reference.pdf tells to
> use mia-query for this (chapter 7). But the command is on a Debian machine
> which can only be accesses by DDs. Can this be changed?

I think it is limited for privacy reasons. The same with vacation and
echelon information on db.debian.org.

As far as debian.org systems are concerned, maintainers who are non-DDs
are indistinguishable from the general public at present. Sorry about
that. Perhaps the new debian-maintainers system will allow access to
that information to participants.

Hamish
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Re: Bug#446656: ITP: libjbosscache1-java -- cache frequently accessed Java objects

2007-10-15 Thread Marcus Better
Torsten Werner wrote:
> * Package name: libjbosscache1-java

Are you aware of #386108 and the rest of the JBoss effort?

Regards,

Marcus



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Re: Bug#446656: ITP: libjbosscache1-java -- cache frequently accessed Java objects

2007-10-15 Thread Paul Wise
On 10/16/07, Marcus Better <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Torsten Werner wrote:
> > * Package name: libjbosscache1-java
>
> Are you aware of #386108 and the rest of the JBoss effort?

That bug has been closed and archived, perhaps it should be unarchived
and reopened if that effort is still active?

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Re: why MIA database restricted only for DDs

2007-10-15 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi,

On Mon, 15 Oct 2007, Kamaraju S Kusumanchi wrote:
> Is there any reason why the database containing maintainers MIA (missing
> in action) is available only for DDs? The developers-reference.pdf tells to
> use mia-query for this (chapter 7). But the command is on a Debian machine
> which can only be accesses by DDs. Can this be changed?

It's unlikely to change. If you need to make a query about a specific
developer, please join on #debian-qa on irc.debian.org and ask someone
there to check mia-query for you. They will tell you if he's already
recorded in the database or not.

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