Re: Dependencies on shared libs, news and difference between archs

[Steve Langasek]

On Fri, Aug 31, 2007 at 06:09:42AM +0300, Guillem Jover wrote:

> On Wed, 2007-08-22 at 15:19:02 +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> > I think my work is mostly ready for unstable as it is. The last step is to
> > convince Guillem Jover, the main dpkg maintainer, to merge that in the
> > master branch. He believes that supporting odd cases encourages bad
> > practice on library management. I don't think so. On the contrary I'd like
> > to promote sane library management and I made some efforts in the included
> > documentation to promote that.

> First, thanks for your work on this!

> For libraries with versioned symbols, just checking for the needed
> version nodes should be enough, and I'd say that adding symbols to
> a previously existing version node or breaking their ABI is broken,
> and something that we should not tolerate.

Huh?  Adding new symbols without adding new version nodes doesn't break
anything of substance, so why would you say this is "broken"?

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Re: many packages FTBFS, if $TAPE is set

[Andre Majorel]

On 2007-08-28 12:22 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:

> I don't have any time to work on this, but it occurred to me
> reading this that it might be useful for QA purposes to have a
> version of debuild that *unsanitizes* the environment to test
> robustness.  An evil-debuild that sets every problematic
> environment variable that it can think of (TAPE, QUILT_PATCHES,
> LANG, LC_ALL, PWD, etc.), builds the source in a directory name
> containing a space, and otherwise tries all the environmental
> things that have broken packages in the past.

Setting POSIXLY_CORRECT is an easy way to break lots of scripts.

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Re: what happened to social contract?

[Brett Parker]

On Thu, Aug 30, 2007 at 12:35:22PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>  One issue is that only a few programs appear in the IceWM menu. The  
> rest you need to know the names of and type in by hand. I can of  
> course create a menu if I have a prepackaged selection of software,  
> which is what I am working on.

Err, well, I just fired up icewm in an Xnest session to check - weirdly
it's got all the programs installed in the menu (under the Programs
entry), so I have no idea where your getting this idea from.

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Re: Bugfix/hardware support updates to stable releases?

[Charles Plessy]

Le Fri, Aug 31, 2007 at 01:45:40AM +0100, Ben Hutchings a écrit :
> 
> Only release-critical bugs are fixed in a stable release.  You can get
> non-critical fixes for some packages by selective use of backports.org.
> 

Actually, I would be happy to hear opinions (in private if you think the
question was trivial) on the follwing bug :

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=425508

Basically, IBM does not distribute anymore the tarballs supported by
Etch's `java-package', wich means that the package becomes much less
useful on powerpc. Would this kind of problem be enough for a stable
update? My gut feeling is that if in order to use Etch one has to know
how to use backports.net, it is not really Etch anymore...

Have a nice say,

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Bug#440279: ITP: op -- sudo like controlled privilege escalation

[Michael Prokop]

Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Michael Prokop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


* Package name: op
  Version : 1.32
  Upstream Author : Alec Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
* URL : http://swapoff.org/wiki/op
* License : BSD
  Programming Lang: C
  Description : sudo like controlled privilege escalation

 The op tool provides a flexible means for system administrators
 to grant access to certain root operations without having to
 give them full superuser privileges. Different sets of users may
 access different operations, and the security-related aspects of
 each operation can be carefully controlled.
 .
  Homepage: http://swapoff.org/wiki/op

Notice: a preliminary Debian package is available at
http://deb.grml.org/pool/main/o/op/

regards,
-mika-


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Re: what happened to social contract?

[Ben Hutchings]

On Fri, 2007-08-31 at 08:39 +0100, Brett Parker wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 30, 2007 at 12:35:22PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >  One issue is that only a few programs appear in the IceWM menu. The  
> > rest you need to know the names of and type in by hand. I can of  
> > course create a menu if I have a prepackaged selection of software,  
> > which is what I am working on.
> 
> Err, well, I just fired up icewm in an Xnest session to check - weirdly
> it's got all the programs installed in the menu (under the Programs
> entry), so I have no idea where your getting this idea from.

Maybe he didn't install the menu package.

Ben.

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Bug#440290: ITP: phamm -- Phamm (PHP LDAP Virtual Hosting Manager) is a front-end written in PHP to manage virtual service's using a LDAP directory backend.

[Alessandro De Zorzi]

Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Alessandro De Zorzi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


* Package name: phamm
  Version : 0.4.13
  Upstream Author : Alessandro De Zorzi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
* URL : http://www.phamm.org/
* License : GPL v2
  Programming Lang: PHP, Perl, Bash
  Description : Phamm (PHP LDAP Virtual Hosting Manager) is a front-end 
written in PHP to manage virtual service's using a LDAP directory backend.

Phamm provide a web interface to manage virtual mail account, DNS
setting, FTP account, proxy account and other using LDAP as backend. ISP
use phamm for their customers. Phamm provide a valid phamm.schema with
own OID provide by IANA.

-- System Information:
Debian Release: 4.0
  APT prefers stable
  APT policy: (500, 'stable')
Architecture: powerpc (ppc)
Shell:  /bin/sh linked to /bin/bash
Kernel: Linux 2.6.18-4-powerpc
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Re: Bugfix/hardware support updates to stable releases?

[Peter Samuelson]

[Charles Plessy]
> Actually, I would be happy to hear opinions (in private if you think the
> question was trivial) on the follwing bug :
> 
> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=425508
> 
> Basically, IBM does not distribute anymore the tarballs supported by
> Etch's `java-package', wich means that the package becomes much less
> useful on powerpc.

If the package is totally broken because it can't download an external
file it needs, then that would be an RC bug, appropriate to fix in an
etch point release.  It looks as though only part of the functionality
is broken, though, in that there are multiple tarballs you can download
with java-package and only one fails, so the situation is less clear.

I'd still consider it something fixable in etch, but I'm neither a RM
nor a java-package maintainer.
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Re: Bug#399892: nepenthes_0.2.0-1(hppa/experimental): FTBFS: tries to use static library compiled without -fPIC

[Frank Lichtenheld]

On Wed, Aug 29, 2007 at 02:53:01PM -0300, Luciano Bello wrote:
> El Mar 17 Jul 2007, Jan Wagner escribió:
> > Hi Luciano,
> >
> > On Wednesday 20 June 2007 19:15, Luciano Bello wrote:
> > >   I need your opinion and comments about: http://bugs.debian.org/399892
> > >   Nepenthes has a module (modulehoneytrap.so) linked with libipq (IPQ
> > > library for userspace), which is part of iptables-dev. Libipq looks like
> > > it only comes in a static form, and hence isn't built PIC.
> > >   Frank Lichtenheld <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> proposed to ask here.
> > >
> > > Please CC to the bug if you think is proper.
> >
> > Any process with the issue?
> 
> Sorry for the delay..
> 
> No.. nothing new.

Have you asked the iptables-dev maintainer whether he would provide a
version of libipq compiled with PIC?

Gruesse,
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Re: Why no Opera?

[Jon Dowland]

On Thu, Aug 30, 2007 at 05:15:50PM +0200, Maarten Verwijs wrote:
> > The documentation I have found about the different versions  and
> > process is somewhat vague.
> 
> I'm sure that the Debian Documentation guys would like to receive your
> patches.

Even identifying the troublesome documentation would be useful.


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Bug#440298: ITP: original -- Original is a set of scripts to get your digital photos on the web.

[Alessandro De Zorzi]

Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Alessandro De Zorzi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


* Package name: original
  Version : 0.11.2
  Upstream Author : Jakub Steiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Tuomas Kuosmanen <[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]> Larry Ewing <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
* URL : http://jimmac.musichall.cz/original.php
* License : GPL v2
  Programming Lang: PHP, Bash, Perl, Ruby
  Description : Original is a set of scripts to get your digital photos on 
the web.

Original consist of two parts: a client side to scale the images to
different side and a set of PHP script to render html pages of the
picture gallery.

-- System Information:
Debian Release: 4.0
  APT prefers stable
  APT policy: (500, 'stable')
Architecture: powerpc (ppc)
Shell:  /bin/sh linked to /bin/bash
Kernel: Linux 2.6.18-4-powerpc
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Re: Thoughts about including scsiaddgui

[Bernd Zeimetz]

Reid Priedhorsky wrote:
> On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 22:00:13 +0200, Bernd Zeimetz wrote:
>> Steinar H. Gunderson wrote:
>>> Has there ever been a case where an RFP bug has actually stimulated anyone
>>> into packaging a given piece of software?
>> Yes, I've closed three RFPs during the last month or so, and retitle
>> another one which is now on the todo list for the coming days.
> 
> ... one of which was mine (viking), so perhaps now is a good time to
> express my personal thanks for Bernd's work on that particular RFP. :)

you're welcome :)


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Re: Bug#440298: ITP: original -- Original is a set of scripts to get your digital photos on the web.

[Gaudenz Steinlin]

On Fri, Aug 31, 2007 at 01:15:57PM +0200, Alessandro De Zorzi wrote:
> Package: wnpp
> Severity: wishlist
> Owner: Alessandro De Zorzi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> 
> * Package name: original

IMHO this should be renamed to something less general like
original-webgallery.

Gaudenz

>   Version : 0.11.2
>   Upstream Author : Jakub Steiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Tuomas Kuosmanen 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Larry Ewing <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> * URL : http://jimmac.musichall.cz/original.php
> * License : GPL v2
>   Programming Lang: PHP, Bash, Perl, Ruby
>   Description : Original is a set of scripts to get your digital photos 
> on the web.
> 
> Original consist of two parts: a client side to scale the images to
> different side and a set of PHP script to render html pages of the
> picture gallery.
> 
> -- System Information:
> Debian Release: 4.0
>   APT prefers stable
>   APT policy: (500, 'stable')
> Architecture: powerpc (ppc)
> Shell:  /bin/sh linked to /bin/bash
> Kernel: Linux 2.6.18-4-powerpc
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> 
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Re: menu policy & use of doc-base for programming documentation

[Stefano Zacchiroli]

On Thu, Aug 30, 2007 at 03:19:43PM -0400, Eric Cooper wrote:
> The Debian OCaml maintenance team is looking at how to organize the
> HTML documentation provided by the various OCaml packages.  Our first

Right, to add some details to that:
- each library we have (will) ship an HTML documentation of the API,
  generated with ocamldoc (the equivalent of javadoc). Such
  documentation will be installed as /usr/share/doc/PACKAGE/html/api/
- we just want to have a global HTML index which contain a listing of
  all the library we ship as simple HTML links to the above pieces of
  documentation

If possible we would like to avoid reinventing the wheel, and doc-base
seems to be the right tool; it's just to restrictive: why should its
categories be tight to the menu categories?

Cheers.

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Bug#440359: ITP: ganeti -- cluster-based virtualization management software

[Iustin Pop]

Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Iustin Pop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

* Package name: ganeti
  Version : 1.2~b1
  Upstream Author : Google Inc. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
* URL : http://code.google.com/p/ganeti/
* License : GPL
  Programming Lang: Python
  Description : cluster-based virtualization management software

Ganeti is a virtual server management software tool built on top of Xen
virtual machine monitor and other Open Source software.

Once installed, the tool will take over the management part of the
virtual instances (Xen DomU), e.g. disk creation management, operating
system installation for these instances (in co-operation with
OS-specific install scripts), and startup, shutdown, failover between
physical systems.

It has been designed to facilitate cluster management of virtual servers
and to provide fast and simple recovery after physical failures using
commodity hardware.

-- System Information:
Debian Release: lenny/sid
  APT prefers unstable
  APT policy: (500, 'unstable'), (500, 'stable'), (1, 'experimental')
Architecture: amd64 (x86_64)

Kernel: Linux 2.6.22.5-teal (SMP w/2 CPU cores)
Locale: LANG=en_US.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8)
Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/bash


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Bug#440391: ITP: ganeti -- Virtual server cluster management platform

[Guido Trotter]

Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Ganeti Debian Team <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

* Package name: ganeti
  Version : 1.2~b1
  Upstream Author : Ganeti Team <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
* URL : http://code.google.com/p/ganeti/
* License : GPLv2
  Programming Lang: Python
  Description : Virtual server cluster management platform

Ganeti is a virtual server cluster management software tool built on top
of the Xen virtual machine monitor and other Open Source software. After
setting it up it will provide you with an automated environment to
manage highly available virtual machine instances.


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