Re: discussion with the FSF: GPLv3, GFDL, Nexenta

[Kevin Mark]

On Tue, May 22, 2007 at 03:15:28PM +0200, Sam Hocevar wrote:
> On Tue, May 22, 2007, Lars Wirzenius wrote:
> > On ti, 2007-05-22 at 13:30 +0200, Sam Hocevar wrote:
> > > 1. The GPLv3: the latest draft did not raise major objections from
> > >  -legal and despite its concerns with the strategies developed in some
> > >  sections, Debian does consider it DFSG-free. Debian will however not
> > >  push for its adoption, mainly because we still have much software that
> > >  is GPLv2-only in the distribution.
> > 
> > Why it that a valid, or even relevant reason to avoid pushing GPLv3?
> 
>Because software under the GPLv3 is incompatible with GPLv2-only
> software, while "GPLv2 or above" software is compatible with both.
Could someone make a page with GPLv2-only software, I'd be curious what
would be affected. Maybe the easiest way would be to dump and format a
page on the Wiki so that it could be commented upon?
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Re: Handling of (inactive) Debian Accounts

[Stefano Zacchiroli]

On Sat, Feb 10, 2007 at 02:34:39AM +0100, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
> To reduce the security risk an unused open account has, and also to get
> the number of Developers to reflect the reality, we, the Debian Account
> Managers, decided to do regular "WaT"[2] runs.
> 
> Selection of the people included in those runs will be done in a way
> that we avoid sending out such mails to active people. As a good start
> we will take the upcoming DPL vote as an input source, everyone who doesn't
> vote this year will be included in the first run.

> To get into the Emeritus state you voluntarily retire from the project,
> following [1] or by replying to a WaT mail.

Hi DAMs,
  I'm wondering what actually happened with this, so flow of questions
follows :)

- do you actually performed a first WaT run with the now past DPL vote?

- if yes can you please give some figures? (not names of course, but
  number of sent mail inquiries, number of replies, number of DDs who
  entered the Emeritus status after receiving the email, )
  
  If it's too time consuming and if the data are publicly available
  somewhere I'll be glad to collect the numbers by myself, but I doubt
  the second assumption is correct.

- if no ... why?

Many thanks for the initiative!
Cheers.

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Re: Mandatory -dbg packages for libraries?

[paddy]

On Tue, May 22, 2007 at 11:26:38PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> On Tue, May 22, 2007 at 04:10:06PM -0500, Steve Greenland wrote:
> [...]
> > Those are good reasons. Those are different reasons than "static
> > libraries are faster", which was the previous argument for keeping them. 
> 
> No, that was "one" argument for keeping them, and the only one that I
> could come up with in a short time frame about a subject that I don't
> care much about.
> 
> Since you forced me to think more about it, I came up with two more
> reasons in an equally short timeframe.
> 
> Of course, that begs the question why I seem to be the only one giving
> reasons that seem quite obvious to me, but then again...

It only needs one person to voice them, but thank you for doing so.

Regards,
Paddy


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Re: discussion with the FSF: GPLv3, GFDL, Nexenta

[Bernhard R. Link]

* Kevin Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070523 11:00]:
> Could someone make a page with GPLv2-only software, I'd be curious what
> would be affected. Maybe the easiest way would be to dump and format a
> page on the Wiki so that it could be commented upon?

Given the current drafts for the GPLv3, I think GPLv2-only software
will not go away. At least if that "everyone is allowed to make this
non-free by combining with code under the Affero GPL, and you are not
allowed to make this copyleft by forbidding that", I'm stronly
considering making new software GPLv2 only in the future, too.

Hochachtungsvoll,
Bernhard R. Link


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Re: discussion with the FSF: GPLv3, GFDL, Nexenta

[Sam Hocevar]

On Wed, May 23, 2007, Kevin Mark wrote:
> >Because software under the GPLv3 is incompatible with GPLv2-only
> > software, while "GPLv2 or above" software is compatible with both.
> Could someone make a page with GPLv2-only software, I'd be curious what
> would be affected. Maybe the easiest way would be to dump and format a
> page on the Wiki so that it could be commented upon?

   I have started working on such a page, based on /usr/share/doc
copyright files rather than source code. There is simply too much
software for now to do anything else than semi-automatic skimming:

 http://people.zoy.org/~sam/gpl/

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Re: Re: discussion with the FSF: GPLv3, GFDL, Nexenta

[Josh Triplett]

Sam Hocevar wrote:
>I have started working on such a page, based on /usr/share/doc
> copyright files rather than source code. There is simply too much
> software for now to do anything else than semi-automatic skimming:
> 
>  http://people.zoy.org/~sam/gpl/

This helps greatly.  A quick skim of the first few copyright files that don't
mention "version 2 or later" suggests that some of them mention "version 2"
explicitly but some of them just don't mention a version; the latter may occur
due to incorrect construction of the copyright file, or because the software
itself didn't specify a version, but software which doesn't specify a version
of the GPL seems rare.  Could you perhaps divide the software which doesn't
mention "version 2 or later" into three groups: those mentioning "version 2",
those mentioning "version 1", and those not mentioning either?

Thanks,
Josh Triplett



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Troubles on Sparc

[Camilo Nova]

Hello, thanks for your support, i have debian etch installed on a SunFire
T2000 sparc64, and i want to configure sun-java for my machine but i cannot
get a package for sparc

The uname -a throws:
Linux axiacore 2.6.18-4-sparc64-smp #1 SMP Tue May 1 22:54:26 UTC 2007
sparc64 GNU/Linux

Can you help me?, its very important

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Re: Troubles on Sparc

[Bernd Zeimetz]

Camilo Nova wrote:
> Hello, thanks for your support, i have debian etch installed on a SunFire
> T2000 sparc64, and i want to configure sun-java for my machine but i cannot
> get a package for sparc

> Can you help me?, its very important
> 

no, because Sun does not provide Java for Linux on Sparc, only for
Solaris. I hope this will change as Java is under GPL, would be very
useful for us, too.

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Bug#425756: ITP: memchan -- Tcl extension, which implements in-memory channels

[Sergei Golovan]

Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Sergei Golovan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


* Package name: memchan
  Version : 2.2.1
  Upstream Author : Andreas Kupries <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
* URL : http://memchan.sourceforge.net/
* License : BSD-type
  Programming Lang: (Tcl, C)
  Description : Tcl extension, which implements in-memory channels

 Allows to create I/O channels, which store the data placed into them
 in memory, not on disk. Several channel types are implemented: fifo,
 null, random and zero channels. Also, C API is provided for creating
 custom memory channels.

 This software can be used by tclvfs package (without it tclvfs can only
 browse filesystems and can't open files).

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Re: Intention to drop sparc32 support for Lenny

[Ludovic Courtès]

Hi,

Frans Pop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> The problem is, and that has been mentioned before, that *there is no 
> upstream maintainer* for sparc32. Unless some people step up and ensure 
> that upstream issues _are_ fixed in a timely manner, sparc32 is 
> effectively dead.

"Upstream" should really read "kernel", right?

> Kernel development moves too fast for that.

Or does it wander too fast?  ;-)

Thanks,
Ludovic.


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Bug#425761: ITP: decoratortools -- version-agnostic decorators support for Python

[Gustavo Noronha Silva]

Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Gustavo Noronha Silva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

* Package name: decoratortools
  Version : 1.4
  Upstream Author : Phillip J. Eby 
* URL : http://cheeseshop.python.org/pypi/DecoratorTools
* License : ZPL or PSF
  Programming Lang: Python
  Description : version-agnostic decorators support for Python

DecoratorTools provides decorator facilities for Python 2.3 and
above. It provides classes and functions decorators.
.
DecoratorTools is part of the PEAK (Python Enterprise Architecture
Kit) framework and provides the peak.util.decorators module.

This source package will generate the python-decoratortools binary package.
I am packaging this because new version of software I maintain need it, but
I'm happy to share the load, or even give up on the package if someone wants
to take it.

Thanks,

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Bug#425759: ITP: tcltrf -- Tcl data transformations library (Tcl-Trf)

[Sergei Golovan]

Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Sergei Golovan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


* Package name: tcltrf
  Version : 2.1p2-20060125
  Upstream Author : Andreas Kupries <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
* URL : http://tcltrf.sourceforge.net/
* License : BSD-type
  Programming Lang: (Tcl, C)
  Description : Tcl data transformations library (Tcl-Trf)

 This package contains an extension to Tcl, which provides various
 data transformations. The collection of provided transformation
 procedures includes:
  * generation of message digests (hash values, checksums): MD2,
MD5, SHA/SHS, SHA-1, HAVAL, RIPEMD-128, -160, CRC (polynomial
used by PGP), ADLER (based upon zlib);
  * conversion from and to various data encodings: dual, octal,
hexadecimal representation, uuencoding, base64-encoding,
ASCII85-encoding;
  * a Reed-Solomon error correcting coder;
  * compression/decompression based on zlib and libbz2.


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Re: Bug#425761: ITP: decoratortools -- version-agnostic decorators support for Python

[Ron Johnson]

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On 05/23/07 14:42, Gustavo Noronha Silva wrote:
> Package: wnpp
> Severity: wishlist
> Owner: Gustavo Noronha Silva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> * Package name: decoratortools
>   Version : 1.4
>   Upstream Author : Phillip J. Eby 
> * URL : http://cheeseshop.python.org/pypi/DecoratorTools
> * License : ZPL or PSF
>   Programming Lang: Python
>   Description : version-agnostic decorators support for Python
> 
> DecoratorTools provides decorator facilities for Python 2.3 and
> above. It provides classes and functions decorators.
> .
> DecoratorTools is part of the PEAK (Python Enterprise Architecture
> Kit) framework and provides the peak.util.decorators module.
> 
> This source package will generate the python-decoratortools binary package.
> I am packaging this because new version of software I maintain need it, but
> I'm happy to share the load, or even give up on the package if someone wants
> to take it.

It would be useful to add a short blurb describing what decorators are.

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Re: discussion with the FSF: GPLv3, GFDL, Nexenta

[Kevin Mark]

On Wed, May 23, 2007 at 06:27:22PM +0200, Sam Hocevar wrote:
> On Wed, May 23, 2007, Kevin Mark wrote:
> > >Because software under the GPLv3 is incompatible with GPLv2-only
> > > software, while "GPLv2 or above" software is compatible with both.
> > Could someone make a page with GPLv2-only software, I'd be curious what
> > would be affected. Maybe the easiest way would be to dump and format a
> > page on the Wiki so that it could be commented upon?
> 
>I have started working on such a page, based on /usr/share/doc
> copyright files rather than source code. There is simply too much
> software for now to do anything else than semi-automatic skimming:
> 
>  http://people.zoy.org/~sam/gpl/
> 
To that point, I wondered why there was not some kind simplified symbol
table created for the licenses used: either a numeric or alphanumeric
string. Like 'GPLV1','BSD', etc. with some master table that can be used
and added to when needed. With the intention to create an easily
parsible field so that ascertaining statistics is do-able. And also to
determine how many distinct licenses Debian contains?
Mr. Zoy, Thanks for the license page.
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