Re: How can the OS autodetect that a user is a newbie and offer help?
On Wed, Oct 18, 2006 at 08:36:06AM +0200, Sander Marechal wrote: > > If something happens to X then a user can end up in the terminal. Even a > faulty application can trash X. > I don't believe that an application can trash X so badly that it won't start anymore. Misconfiguring X can certainly cause it not to start. But an application? That doesn't sound right. Now, I've had applications lock up X before. I usually ssh in from another machine and kill the rogue process or just restart X remotely. I'm not sure a newbie would have the wherwithal to do that, so he would probably just power cycle the machine (which is what I used to do before I knew any better). If apps are trashing X so bad that it won't restart, even after a power cycle, we have more serious issues. > Maybe all what is needed is a small script and a warning. Suppose we > write a script called "desktop" or "start-desktop" that can start X, > Gnome, KDE or whatever is installed on the system - with safe values for > e.g. the X config. Sort of like Windows' rescue mode. > Umm, you mean like startx? Windows needs a rescue mode because they hosed their nice architecture and fused the GUI into the kernel. I'd be more interested in something that starts automatically when it detects that X is hosed. No need to tell the user to do it, just do it. > Then have a message appear when the terminal starts (not the virtual > terminals that you can start from your desktop, but the terminal you get > when X is dead) that reads something like: > > "If your desktop accidentally died, type "start-desktop" and hit the > return key or type "reboot" to restart your computer." > > If it can be made so that this message only appears when X is installed > but not running on the system, then even better. > Again, not necessary. Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: How can the OS autodetect that a user is a newbie and offer help?
On Tue, Oct 17, 2006 at 09:01:16PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > > We who used MS-DOS in 1985 were not appreciably smarter than people > are now, yet we figured out DIR & COPY & DEL & CD. A HELP command > and a set of DOS-friendly aliases (and/or scripts) would/should be > adequate. > Yes, but much of today's generation created a conception of using computers based on the movie "Hackers" (and no, I am not kidding). The concept of using a command line to "gasp" type in commands is intensely frightening to people. Of course, I personally find it humorous since people are condescending about Linux not being ready for the desktop or the enterprise and then don't bat an eyelash when the instructions to something start: "click Start->Run and type regedit". I agree that a help command and a set of DOS-friendly aliases *should* be enough, but since MS neutered the command.com interface a long time ago to the point where it ceased to be useful, I don't see how having such things would be helpful to any but a diminishingly small minority of users. Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
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Re: Bug#393411: Source package contains non-free IETF RFC/I-D's
Simon Josefsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Goswin von Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Note what packages fixed the problem in unstable, file an RC bug for >> the testing version and close it for the unstable version. That then >> reflects the reality and will keep track of the problem. > > Hm, I know how to submit a bug for the version in testing (this is > what I've done), but I don't know how to close it for the unstable > version. How do I do that? You have to add a version pseudo header to the done message. Check the docs on bugs.debian.org for the exact syntax. MfG Goswin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Looking for Debian Packaging expert
On Tue, Oct 17, 2006 at 04:26:04PM -0700, Mahmood Sheikh wrote: > Hi all, > I work for ACCESS, Inc. here in Sunnyvale, California. We are looking > for someone who is adept in Debian Packaging. This person would deliver > 3 or 4 hourly sessions to our employees just to educate them on benefits > of using Debian Packaging and answer any questions that our employees > (internal developers) might have. > > It would not be training sessions but it would be semi technical talks > on how to use and deploy Debian packages mechanism and discussing the > advantages of using Debian packages for distribution of software > internally. > > Regards, Hi Mahmood, thanks for considering Debian! your employees can browser the Debian.org web site for information about packaging. Look at the Debian policy manual and the Debian developers reference as the place to start. You can ask questions on various lists, check lists.debian.org for the complete list. There is also an irc channel on irc.debian.org for real time help. You can also consider Debian books like 'the Debian system' for help or check the books section of our site. You can also download and examine any package to explore how others do it. Its Free Software with the 4 freedoms that Richard Stallman wanted. cheers, Kev -- | .''`. == Debian GNU/Linux == | my web site: | | : :' : The Universal | debian.home.pipeline.com | | `. `' Operating System| go to counter.li.org and | | `-http://www.debian.org/ |be counted! #238656 | | my keysever: pgp.mit.edu | my NPO: cfsg.org | signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: your mail
On Tue, Oct 17, 2006 at 03:21:39PM -0400, Jason Spiro wrote: > retitle 376431 RFP: openwatcom -- C/C++ compiler/IDE that make > efficient, portable code > submitter 376431 [EMAIL PROTECTED] > severity 376431 wishlist > thanks > > It looks unlikely I will manage to package this. It's too big a > package to deal with as my first package ever. Open Watcom is complex; > it does not use autoconf; and nobody has ever packaged the Linux port > of Open Watcom before. Main issues include: > Cheers, Hi Jason, you can join the debian-mentors list for help with packaging and you can join the debian-women list for mentorship/packaging help IIUC. cheers, Kev -- | .''`. == Debian GNU/Linux == | my web site: | | : :' : The Universal | debian.home.pipeline.com | | `. `' Operating System| go to counter.li.org and | | `-http://www.debian.org/ |be counted! #238656 | | my keysever: pgp.mit.edu | my NPO: cfsg.org | signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Looking for Debian Packaging expert
Kevin Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Oct 17, 2006 at 04:26:04PM -0700, Mahmood Sheikh wrote: >> Hi all, >> I work for ACCESS, Inc. here in Sunnyvale, California. We are looking >> for someone who is adept in Debian Packaging. This person would deliver >> 3 or 4 hourly sessions to our employees just to educate them on benefits >> of using Debian Packaging and answer any questions that our employees >> (internal developers) might have. >> >> It would not be training sessions but it would be semi technical talks >> on how to use and deploy Debian packages mechanism and discussing the >> advantages of using Debian packages for distribution of software >> internally. >> >> Regards, > Hi Mahmood, > thanks for considering Debian! > your employees can browser the Debian.org web site for information about > packaging. I don't think that this will help Mahmood very much. But nobody so far has pointed out two interesting points of information: - There's a debian-jobs mailing list which has been created specifically for such offers. Mahmood, you should probably resend your request to that list - I think there used to be a list of companies that provide Debian support and training, but I can't find it - can somebody help? Regards, Frank -- Dr. Frank Küster Single Molecule Spectroscopy, Protein Folding @ Inst. f. Biochemie, Univ. Zürich Debian Developer (teTeX/TeXLive)
Re: Looking for Debian Packaging expert
Bas Zoetekouw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Frank! > > You wrote: > >> - I think there used to be a list of companies that provide Debian >> support and training, but I can't find it - can somebody help? > > Did you mean this list? > http://www.us.debian.org/consultants/ Yes - yow do I get to it from the main page? TIA, Frank -- Dr. Frank Küster Single Molecule Spectroscopy, Protein Folding @ Inst. f. Biochemie, Univ. Zürich Debian Developer (teTeX/TeXLive)
Re: Looking for Debian Packaging expert
* Frank Küster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-10-18 12:35]: > - I think there used to be a list of companies that provide Debian > support and training, but I can't find it - can somebody help? http://www.debian.org/consultants/ -- Martin Michlmayr http://www.cyrius.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Looking for Debian Packaging expert
* Frank Küster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-10-18 13:03]: > > Did you mean this list? > > http://www.us.debian.org/consultants/ > > Yes - yow do I get to it from the main page? debian.org -> Support -> Consultants -> Consultants -- Martin Michlmayr http://www.cyrius.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
gcc-4.2 build-depends?
Hello, can anyone explain why gcc-4.2 build-depends on libgconf2-dev, libxul-dev, libart-2.0-dev, libgtk2.0-dev, lib32asound2-dev, libcairo2-dev, libqt4-dev and several others? It seems quite strange (well, even more) to me. Regards Jiri Palecek -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Help] Please compile clustalw on architectures ia64, mips, mipsel, s390 and m68k
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you write: >Dear all, > >Clustal W and Clustal X are the most popular software for multiple >alignment of biological sequences. Their source package was NMUed during >the lesstif transition, but not built on enough architectures, and was >therefore removed from testing. > >http://packages.qa.debian.org/c/clustalw.html > >Can some DD help clustalw to get back into Etch as we still have the >opportunity ? I just entered the NM queue and therefore can not do this >kind of work by myself. Mips built and uploaded, I'll do ia64 tonight when I get that machine up and running again. -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.[EMAIL PROTECTED] "I've only once written 'SQL is my bitch' in a comment. But that code is in use on a military site..." -- Simon Booth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Looking for Debian Packaging expert
Martin Michlmayr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > * Frank Küster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-10-18 13:03]: >> > Did you mean this list? >> > http://www.us.debian.org/consultants/ >> >> Yes - yow do I get to it from the main page? > > debian.org -> Support -> Consultants -> Consultants Ah. I find it misleading that it looks as if the items below "Support" on the main page are a submenu, while in fact they are just a subset of the things you can find when you klick on "support". Well, what's the opposite of "once upon a time", in the future? Regards, Frank -- Dr. Frank Küster Single Molecule Spectroscopy, Protein Folding @ Inst. f. Biochemie, Univ. Zürich Debian Developer (teTeX/TeXLive)
Fwd: How can the OS autodetect that a user is a newbie and offer help?
Forwarding to the list. -- Forwarded message -- From: Yves Junqueira <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Oct 17, 2006 2:42 PM Subject: Re: How can the OS autodetect that a user is a newbie and offer help? To: Jason Spiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On 10/17/06, Jason Spiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 2006-10-17, Mario Iseli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We could start together a project which does this shell scripts, I think > it's not really a lot of work. Don't file a bug, first we can do a > "linuxnewbie" program and someone (maybe myself) will build a debian > package one day. It may be much cleaner to include help links /etc/motd, adivising the user to read a hipothetical "/usr/share/doc/linux-beginners/new-users", or enter a help-mode by typing a certain command. -- Yves Junqueira [EMAIL PROTECTED] / nictuku [IRC] http://www.cetico.org -- Yves Junqueira [EMAIL PROTECTED] / nictuku [IRC] http://www.cetico.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Looking for Debian Packaging expert
Hi Frank! You wrote: > - I think there used to be a list of companies that provide Debian > support and training, but I can't find it - can somebody help? Did you mean this list? http://www.us.debian.org/consultants/ -- ++ | Bas Zoetekouw | GPG key: 0644fab7 | || Fingerprint: c1f5 f24c d514 3fec 8bf6 | | [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] | a2b1 2bae e41f 0644 fab7 | ++ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: gcc-4.2 build-depends?
"Jiri Palecek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello, > > can anyone explain why gcc-4.2 build-depends on libgconf2-dev, > libxul-dev, libart-2.0-dev, libgtk2.0-dev, > lib32asound2-dev, libcairo2-dev, libqt4-dev and several others? It > seems quite strange (well, even > more) to me. Well, it builds a couple of binary packages that might well need such libraries. Without looking at the source, names like gappletviewer-4.2 Standalone application to execute Java (tm) applets gcjwebplugin-4.2 Web browser plugin to execute Java (tm) applets sound like good candidates. Regards, Frank -- Dr. Frank Küster Single Molecule Spectroscopy, Protein Folding @ Inst. f. Biochemie, Univ. Zürich Debian Developer (teTeX/TeXLive)
Re: How can the OS autodetect that a user is a newbie and offer help?
+++ Roberto C. Sanchez [17/10/06 20:27 -0400]: IIRC, the majority of the "I ended up at a text prompt, what do I do now?" questions we see on d-u are not X configuration problems. They are newbies who pick all the defaults and up without X on their systems entirely. Yes. And this type of problem doesn't stop with X, its also, "how do I get my sound card working". Both of which would be solved using tasksel. However, after a user ignores tasksel the first time, they never know how to get back there. It seems like tasksel is both under utilized and under advertised. We need to figure out how to get more people to know about it, and we need more tasks. Why don't we have a "lamp-server" task? or a xfce-desktop task? I think the idea of adding a "helpme" script which is advertised somewhere like motd or /etc/issue or root's .bashrc for interactive shells is one that should be explored. I'd be happy to help work on this. stew signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: The Debian cyrus-sasl2 team is in need of your help!
On Sun, Oct 15, 2006 at 04:09:32PM -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > Greetings fellow Debian users and developers, > > The Debian Cyrus SASL Team is working at a breakneck pace to try and get > the new upstream version ready in time for Etch. For that to happen, we Hello again everyone. We have updated the packages to ~pre03. These include quite a few fixes: * symbol versioning is back * these actually install without wanting to remove apt (yay!) * provide dummy packages with the old names to provide upgrade path Unfortunately, LDAP support is still disabled, but we are working on that issue. If you are able, please test these packages, especially if you maintain a package which builds against cyrus-sasl. I am currently building everything that depends on any of the cyrus-sasl packages and will post another updated with the results as soon as I am able (no premature RC bug filing this time). Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Bug#393946: ITP: jd -- gtk+ based 2ch browser for Linux
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: "Hideki Yamane (Debian-JP)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: jd Version : 1.8.0-beta061009 Upstream Author : JD Project * URL : http://jd4linux.sourceforge.jp/ * License : GPL Programming Lang: C Description : gtk+ based 2ch browser for Linux JD is useful to view "2ch-style BBS" that uses "bbs.cgi" and "read.cgi" For example, 2 channel (http://www.2ch.net, largest BBS in Japan), Shitaraba (http://rentalbbs.livedoor.com/jbbs/), Machi-BBS (http://www.machi.to/) and so on. . For more detail see http://jd4linux.sourceforge.jp/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New cyrus-sasl2 packages
On Mon, Oct 16, 2006 at 01:18:02AM -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > Greetings all, > > As part of the transition to the new cyrus-sasl packages I have built > all the package which expressed some sort of dependency on any of the > cyrus-sasl2 packages. These were built in a clean Sid pbuilder. I have OK. We have fixed a number of standing issues with the first batch of packages. I have attached a new status chart. The short version is that now every single package which is an rdepend of a sasl package builds clean (in relation to sasl, at least) with the new version. Please note, that packages are available here for the time being: http://pkg-cyrus-sasl2.alioth.debian.org/prerelease/ Hopefully and experimental upload is impending. Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com Package nameDepend status Build status - asteriskbogus OK asterisk-oh323 bogus OK beepcore-c OK OK cyrus-imapd-2.2 OK OK cyrus21-imapd OK OK etpan-ngbogus OK exim4 OK OK gnugk bogus OK hotway OK OK kdebase OK OK kdelibs OK OK (insufficient disk space) kdepim OK OK (insufficient disk space) kolab-cyrus-imapd bogus OK kolabd OK OK libauthen-sasl-cyrus-perl OK OK libetpanOK OK mail-notification OK OK muttOK OK nmh OK OK nufwOK OK ohphone bogus OK opalbogus OK openam bogus OK openh323bogus OK openldap2 OK OK openldap2.3 OK OK openmcu bogus OK postfix OK OK pstngw bogus OK pwlib OK OK python-ldap bogus OK sendmailOK OK squid3 OK OK sylpheed-claws-gtk2 OK OK sylpheed-claws-gtk2-extra-plug OK OK t38modembogus OK signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: How can the OS autodetect that a user is a newbie and offer help?
On Wed, Oct 18, 2006 at 03:57:26AM -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > I agree that a help command and a set of DOS-friendly aliases *should* > be enough, but since MS neutered the command.com interface a long time > ago to the point where it ceased to be useful, I don't see how having > such things would be helpful to any but a diminishingly small minority > of users. You are confusing "interface" and "content". Let me explain how 'ayuda' worked again, maybe that can help see why Jason's idea. 'Ayuda' had two things: - a shell script using dialog(1) to display a set of menu options - newbie-oriented documentation (some of it Debian-specific) in /usr/share/ The shell-script read the documentation and provided the interface when 'ayuda' was written in the CLI. Now, considering the *need* to have newbie-oriented Debian-specific documentation for users (regardless of their environment) how about a package that provides: [1] newbie-oriented documentation (most of it Debian-specific) in /usr/share (Of course, i18n/l10nized) [2] an integration layer (an index file pointing to the HTML files?) with GNOME's yelp and KDE's 'khelpcenter' so that the information is show along the main Help topics and can be browsed when people go to their Desktop and select 'Help' [3] a stand-alone 'helpme' program that, when executed, would detect if the user was running in a console (no $DISPLAY) or not and provide an interface to the topics in the provided documentation. The 'Newbiedoc' package does not cut it, it just does [1] and it is not even Debian-specific. The 'doc-debian' (the Debian FAQ), 'debian-reference' or 'quick-reference' packages do not cut it either, they do most of the things needed for [1] but they only integrate with doc-central/dwww/dhelp which most (newbie) users will not even be aware they exist. There is no (easy?) way to access that documentation (if installed locally) from the Desktop (i.e. no [2]). For Bonus points, the user (if in an Internet-connected system) using [3] should be able to send "questions" not covered in the documentation through the same UI that could be collected somewhere and used by the maintainer(s) to decide which unwritten topics should be taken care of since they are most demanded by users. If someone wrote the package providing [1], [2] and [3] and it was made part of a standard installation we could ask Santiago (base-files' maintainer) to change /etc/motd and point to it. How does that sound? Anyone up to the challenge? Regards Javier signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: How can the OS autodetect that a user is a newbie and offer help?
Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > On Wed, Oct 18, 2006 at 08:36:06AM +0200, Sander Marechal wrote: >> If something happens to X then a user can end up in the terminal. Even a >> faulty application can trash X. >> > I don't believe that an application can trash X so badly that it won't > start anymore. True, but I meant that an app can kill X, requiring it to be restarted. Newbies get very confused at that point. Hence my suggestion of a friendly message on how to restart the desktop or how to reboot the PC from the command line. -- Sander Marechal http://www.gnome-hearts.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Bug#394042: ITP: dnshistory -- Translating and storing of IP addresses from log files
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Matthias Julius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: dnshistory Version : 1.2 Upstream Author : Stephen McInerney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://www.stedee.id.au/dnshistory/ * License : GPL Programming Lang: C Description : Translating and storing of IP addresses from log files Provide a means for storing a history of DNS/Name changes for the IP Addresses extracted from web log files. The major target being that multiple analyses of older log files do not require re-lookups of IP Address to FQDNs, and additionally maintain the accuracy of the lookup as it was then and not as it is now. Matthias -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
