Re: The debian boot dependency graph image

2006-09-09 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Petter Reinholdtsen wrote:

> The scripts listed in the upper right corner are all those scripts
> without dependency information available.  This is the complete list
> for my installation:
> 
>   hwclockfirst.sh ifupdown-clean modutils hwclock.sh libdevmapper1.01
>   libdevmapper1.02 lvm hibernate ifupdown nviboot xserver-xorg vbesave
>   sysklogd klogd acct acpid apmd apt-index-watcher atftpd cupsys
>   dbus-1 nullmailer openbsd-inetd rsync snmpd ssh uml-utilities
>   snmptrapfmt anacron binfmt-support acpi-support libnss-ldap

syslog-ng also lacks information.  (We should be getting rid of sysklogd and
klogd in favor of syslog-ng or metalog; I don't know why we haven't yet.)

The udev dependency information is not really accurate:
a lot of things depend upon udev running first, and don't say so.  This is
partly because the long-term plan is to run udev in the chroot, but I think
for now probably the dependency should be specified.

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Re: Upgrade problems for sysvinit 2.86.ds1-16 -> 2.86.ds1-18

2006-09-09 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
Sorry for the noise.  Here is yet another script fragment, this time
to extract the list of installed and upgraded packages in the
dangerous period.  I did not know about the /var/log/dpkg.log file
before this morning.

sed -n "/installed sysvinit 2.86.ds1-16/,/installed sysvinit 2.86.ds1-18/p" 
/var/log/dpkg.log |
   awk '/ upgrade / { print $4 } / installed / { print $5 }' | sort -u

These packages, if they contain an init.d script, are the ones needing
a reinstall.

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Re: so many applications wake up so often

2006-09-09 Thread Gabor Gombas
On Fri, Sep 08, 2006 at 12:36:17PM -0500, John Goerzen wrote:

> I have no idea what Gnome, KDE, etc. are doing to my disk -- all I know
> is that they seem to have business with it all the time, and it makes it
> very difficult for the disk to spin down.

FYI, kernel 2.6.17 has support for tracing all block device events from
userspace.

Gabor

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Bug#386706: ITP: hellanzb -- Nzb downloader and post processor

2006-09-09 Thread Le_Vert
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: "Adam Cécile (Le_Vert)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

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* Package name: hellanzb
  Version : 0.9
  Upstream Author : Philip Jenvey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Ben Bangert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
* URL : http://www.hellanzb.com/
* License : BSD
  Description : Nzb downloader and post processor

Python application designed for *nix environments that retrieves nzb files and 
fully processes them. The goal being to make getting files from Usenet as 
hands-free as possible. Once fully installed, all thats required is moving an 
nzb file to the queue directory. The rest; fetching, par-checking, un-raring, 
etc. is taken care of by hellanzb.

- -- System Information:
Debian Release: testing/unstable
  APT prefers testing
  APT policy: (900, 'testing'), (300, 'unstable')
Architecture: i386 (i686)
Kernel: Linux 2.6.17-2-686
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Re: Bug#386706: ITP: hellanzb -- Nzb downloader and post processor

2006-09-09 Thread Ben Pfaff
Adam Cécile (Le_Vert) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>   Description : Nzb downloader and post processor
>
> Python application designed for *nix environments that
> retrieves nzb files and fully processes them. The goal being to
> make getting files from Usenet as hands-free as possible. Once
> fully installed, all thats required is moving an nzb file to
> the queue directory. The rest; fetching, par-checking,
> un-raring, etc. is taken care of by hellanzb.

I believe it would be appropriate to briefly explain what an nzb
file is.

I also don't think that it's too interesting that the program is
written in Python or that it is designed for *nix environments.
The former isn't of much interest to most potential users, and
the latter is not much of a surprise.  At any rate, I don't think
that they belong at the very beginning of the description.
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Meeting/ Cesana: "Cl non promuovera i circoli della liberta. E Don Giussani non e il volantino di Berlusconi"

2006-09-09 Thread Jody Rudolph
L'Iran e sempre piu forte  
http://www.geocities.com/latasha1310773624
Sat, 9 Sep 2006 15:31:39 -0500


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Re: Bug#386706: ITP: hellanzb -- Nzb downloader and post processor

2006-09-09 Thread Kevin Mark
On Sat, Sep 09, 2006 at 10:22:42AM -0700, Ben Pfaff wrote:
> Adam Cécile (Le_Vert) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> >   Description : Nzb downloader and post processor
> >
> > Python application designed for *nix environments that
> > retrieves nzb files and fully processes them. The goal being to
> > make getting files from Usenet as hands-free as possible. Once
> > fully installed, all thats required is moving an nzb file to
> > the queue directory. The rest; fetching, par-checking,
> > un-raring, etc. is taken care of by hellanzb.
> 
> I believe it would be appropriate to briefly explain what an nzb
> file is.
> 
> I also don't think that it's too interesting that the program is
> written in Python or that it is designed for *nix environments.
> The former isn't of much interest to most potential users, and
> the latter is not much of a surprise.  At any rate, I don't think
> that they belong at the very beginning of the description.

Hi,
debtags is the place for package metadata like 'python'. And IIRC,
package maintainers will soon have a place to add this in /debian from
what Enrico said.
cheers,
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Re: inet-superserver virtual package

2006-09-09 Thread Marco d'Itri
This is my revised plan, where update-inetd will be moved to its own
package to be depended on by the inetds which want it (the others will
need to provide their own version of the command).
Please comment now, because I want to upload the package ASAP.


 sarge 
netbase
Depends: openbsd-inetd, tcpd, lots of other stuff
openbsd-inetd
Depends: netbase
random-daemon
Depends: netbase


/usr/sbin/update-inetd is moved from netbase to update-inetd.
Daemons can continue depending on netbase or switch to depend on
inet-superserver, no distribution-wide changes are needed.
Regressions should not be a concern since I maintain the three packages
involved.

 etch 
netbase
Depends: inet-superserver, lots of other stuff
update-inetd
Conflicts: netbase (<< etch)
Replaces: netbase [needed?]
random-inetd
Depends: update-inetd [if needed], tcpd [if needed]
Conflicts: netbase (<< etch)
Provides: inet-superserver
random-daemon
Depends: netbase [deprecated, but will work too. Or else:]
Depends: inet-superserver [better]


After every package that needs an inetd will have switched to depending on
inet-superserver it will be possible to remove the dependency from netbase.
netbase should have important priority because it will be tiny and it is
needed by every program which uses getservbyname(3) or getprotobyname(3).

 etch+1 
netbase
Depends: [nothing!]
[...]
random-daemon
Depends: inet-superserver

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Re: Upgrade problems for sysvinit 2.86.ds1-16 -> 2.86.ds1-18

2006-09-09 Thread Kevin Mark
Hi Petter,
On Fri, Sep 08, 2006 at 07:22:53PM +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote:
> 
> In version 2.86.ds1-16 of the sysv-rc package released 2006-09-06, the
> update-rc.d script was broken.  When used to to update symlinks it
> would remove all symlinks for a init.d script if such symlinks
> existed, and add them if they were missing.  This broke all packages
> being upgraded after the new version was installed, as their init.d
> scripts will no longer be executed.  This problem was fixed in version
> 2.86.ds1-18, but the broken packages will stay broken until their
> postinst scripts are executed again.
  
> 
> Those with packages being broken from this bug can fix it by using
> 'apt-get --reinstall install package' on the affected packages.  A
> quick way out is to reinstall all the packages with scripts in
> /etc/init.d/.
> 
>   for p in `dpkg -S /etc/init.d/*|cut -d: -f1|sort -u`; do
> apt-get --reinstall install -y $p
>   done
> 
> I'm sorry for the problems I have caused.
> 
> Friendly,
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As a test, on my working unstable system, I did this: 
I made a note of the current links for 'cron'
ran 'rm /etc/rc*.d/*cron'
ran '/etc/init.d/cron stop'
ran 'bash /var/lib/dpkg/info/cron.postinst'
and found it to restore the default setup.
I thought that 'reinstall' seems very time consuming and thought that
there may be a diffent way to do it. Would this work for (most|all)?
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Re: inet-superserver virtual package

2006-09-09 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sun, Sep 10, 2006 at 01:47:21AM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote:
> /usr/sbin/update-inetd is moved from netbase to update-inetd.
> Daemons can continue depending on netbase or switch to depend on
> inet-superserver,

[...]

>  etch 
> netbase
>   Depends: inet-superserver, lots of other stuff
> update-inetd
>   Conflicts: netbase (<< etch)
>   Replaces: netbase [needed?]
> random-inetd
>   Depends: update-inetd [if needed], tcpd [if needed]

I think it needs to be explicit that "if needed" means "if it doesn't
provide its own implementation".

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Re: Debian ISOs

2006-09-09 Thread Patrick Ruckstuhl
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Hi,
>>> One thing I'd definitely like to do is get aria2
>>> (http://aria2.sourceforge.net/) included in Debian.
>> http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/2006/08/msg00197.html
>>
>> I'm not sure why it hasn't appeared in Unstable yet. [but it
>> looks like Patrick does :-]
>
> Perfect, looking forward to that.
It's now in unstable :)

Patrick
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economic disadvantage of closed-source software and patents

2006-09-09 Thread Mashilamani Sambasivam
Hello,
   Since many debian developers would possibly at
some point of time have worked in closed-source
software industry, I wanted to get their views
on 10 slides:

Brief Analysis And Generalisation of Closed-Source
Software Business Models to All Maximum Profit Based
Businesses 

http://www.archive.org/download/profitAndPoverty/slide1.html

I know I emailed these slides to this group before;
but I have added some stuff like proving that changing
bank reserves from 100% to x% does NOT change the
amount of money in the system.

Thanks,
Mashi

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Re: BTS wars

2006-09-09 Thread Brian May
> "Christian" == Christian Perrier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Christian> In short, as first approximation, I support the removal
Christian> and I would consider any other further action by anyone
Christian> else not involved in the pkg development as rude
Christian> action.

So... umm... when you closed the very same bug report (#372685),
should I consider it as "rude action"?

Or maybe I should consider it yet another mistake?

I really doubt that the new version of localization-config fixed the
bug in kpasswd.

Please tell me if I am mistaken... Maybe adding the Nepali translation
to localization-config really did fix this bug ;-).
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