Re: Bug#362584: ITP: xindy -- a flexible indexing system

[Frank Küster]

Joerg Sommer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>> Here comes the usual comment:  Please make sure to follow the Debian TeX
>> Policy Draft in /usr/share/tex-common/.
>
> Xindy does not provide any tex, style or class files. 

Aren't there any index style files (like the ones passed to traditional
makeindex with the -s option)?  And aren't those searched using
kpathsea? 

> Are there any
> other files covered by the TeX policy?

The documentation should be made available to texdoc.

Regards, Frank
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Re: So we got caught, so what? But we did the right thing.

[Ron Johnson]

On Tue, 2006-04-18 at 22:11 -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
> Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> >> Still, regardless of whether the state of Utah recognizes a marriage,
> >> that is surely a different question from whether the marriage has, in
> >> fact, occurred.
> >
> > Making that distinction is, IMO, cracking open a very large barrel
> > of very nasty monkeys.
> 
> Not really.  Suppose we have two seventeen-year-olds, whose parents
> are opposed to their marriage.  In Utah, you can only get married
> without parental consent if you are eighteen.  But these happy folks
> of seventeen are in Mississippi, where their marriage is legal even
> without parental consent.  

Suppose Mississippi allows bigamy...

Or, more in keeping with the traditions of the region (remember
Jerry Lee Louis?), drops the age of consent to 12, and a 35yo man
marries a 12yo girl.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/inatl/longterm/africanlives/ivory/ivory.htm
The practice of forcing girls into marriage took hold decades
ago throughout sub-Saharan Africa and is especially widespread
in countries there with large Muslim populations. 

The marriages typically occur within clans, the girl compelled 
to wed a distant relative—often two or three times he

Is a man with a child bride who immigrate from Ivory still legally
married in the US?

> Then, they move to Utah, and enroll in BYU.  Would BYU say "ah, in
> Utah, you cannot be married until you are eighteen, so, sorry, no, you
> are expelled"?!  Of course not.  BYU would say, "While you cannot
> marry in Utah at your age, you can in Mississippi, and you did, and
> God bless, you are married."
> 
> So the rule BYU would invoke would not be "we only recognize marriages
> that would be legal under the laws of Utah".  The rule would be "we
> recognize different-sex marriages no matter where performed, provided
> they are legal under the local laws where performed, and same sex
> marriages, never, no matter what."

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Re: So we got caught, so what? But we did the right thing.

[Martin Michlmayr]

You are completely off-topic and you know it.  Please continue this
discussion somewhere else, e.g. debian-curiosa or, better yet, in
private mail.  Thank you.
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Philipp Matthias Hahn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> MIA?

[Olaf van der Spek]

Hi,

Does anyone know whether Philipp Matthias Hahn is MIA?

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Philipp Matthias Hahn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> MIA?

[Florian Ernst]

On Wed, Apr 19, 2006 at 10:19:58AM +0200, Olaf van der Spek wrote:
> Does anyone know whether Philipp Matthias Hahn is MIA?

Tue, 10 Jan 2006 09:26:13 +0100:
"I'm very busy at the moment (univertity work), had deveral hardware
failures and had a problem getting my new PGP key into the Debian
keyring last year, since the old one expired. I hope to find more time
for Debian very soon."


HTH,
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Bug#363466: ITP: xfce4-verve-plugin -- Verve (command line) plugin for Xfce 4.4 panel

[Yves-Alexis Perez]

Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Debian Xfce Maintainers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


* Package name: xfce4-verve-plugin
  Version : 0.3.0
  Upstream Author : Jannis Pohlmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
* URL : http://xfce-goodies.berlios.de
* License : GPLv2
  Programming Lang: C
  Description : Verve (command line) plugin for Xfce 4.4 panel

Verve plugin is a command line plugin for 4.4 Xfce panel, with 
autocompletion and command history

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  APT prefers unstable
  APT policy: (500, 'unstable'), (500, 'testing'), (500, 'stable')
Architecture: powerpc (ppc)
Shell:  /bin/sh linked to /bin/bash
Kernel: Linux 2.6.16
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Bug#363467: ITP: xfce4-dev-tools -- Script to help building Xfce from svn

[Yves-Alexis Perez]

Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Debian Xfce Maintainers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


* Package name: xfce4-dev-tools
  Version : 4.3.90.1
  Upstream Author : Benedikt Meurer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
* URL : 
http://foo-projects.org/~benny/projects/xfce4-dev-tools/index.html
* License : GPL
  Programming Lang: C and shell
  Description : Script to help building Xfce from svn

xfce4-dev-tools provide an easy way to handle the setup and maintenance of a 
projects build framework. It's required to build Xfce applications from svn.
 

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Architecture: powerpc (ppc)
Shell:  /bin/sh linked to /bin/bash
Kernel: Linux 2.6.16
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Re: Philipp Matthias Hahn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> MIA?

[Olaf van der Spek]

On 4/19/06, Florian Ernst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 19, 2006 at 10:19:58AM +0200, Olaf van der Spek wrote:
> > Does anyone know whether Philipp Matthias Hahn is MIA?
>
> Tue, 10 Jan 2006 09:26:13 +0100:
> "I'm very busy at the moment (univertity work), had deveral hardware
> failures and had a problem getting my new PGP key into the Debian
> keyring last year, since the old one expired. I hope to find more time
> for Debian very soon."
> 

I wonder what very soon now (tm) means. :)
I assume NMUs can be done (on the mytop package)?

Re: Bug#363250: general: Custom PAGER gives error on sid, but works on sarge

[Miles Bader]

Henning Makholm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Policy does not really specify how to handle $PAGER and its friends,
> but I have always assumed that it was OK for a package to do things
> like (error checking omitted for clarity):
...
> In that case, PAGER has to be set to just the name of a program, with
> no parameters or metacharacters embedded.

I don't think this agrees very well with historical practice though --
I've had PAGER set to something like "less -s" for _decades_, and never
had any problems, on more unix variants than I care to think about...

If a program doesn't allow this, I think it's buggy.

If debian specifies PAGER more exactly, the specification should _at
least_ allow for space-separated options and require PATH searching.

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Bug#363447: ITP: libactiveldap-ruby -- An ActiveRecord inspired object-oriented interface to LDAP for Ruby

[Nick Barkas]

Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Nick Barkas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


* Package name: libactiveldap-ruby
  Version : 0.6.0
  Upstream Author : Will Drewry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
* URL : http://dataspill.org/pages/projects/ruby-activeldap
* License : Ruby's License
  Description : An ActiveRecord inspired object-oriented interface to LDAP 
for Ruby

Ruby/ActiveLDAP is an object-oriented interface to LDAP written in Ruby. It is a
wrapper around Ruby/LDAP with its interface inspired by ActiveRecord.
.
Ruby/ActiveLDAP dynamically parses the LDAP server's schema based on the
objectClasses an entry has. It then exposes the LDAP attributes as methods on
the object. This means that if you update the objectClass on an object, the
methods/attributes available for changing are automatically updated. 

-- System Information:
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  APT policy: (500, 'unstable')
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Re: Philipp Matthias Hahn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> MIA?

[Christoph Berg]

Re: Olaf van der Spek 2006-04-19 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Does anyone know whether Philipp Matthias Hahn is MIA?

Hi,

please Cc: the person in question when asking about MIAness. At the
same time, Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] to make sure the MIA tracking team is
aware, we might miss your message on -devel.

Philipp, are you around? xosd as a (fairly new) RC bug, do you think
you'll be able to address that in the near future?

> > Tue, 10 Jan 2006 09:26:13 +0100:
> > "I'm very busy at the moment (univertity work), had deveral hardware
> > failures and had a problem getting my new PGP key into the Debian
> > keyring last year, since the old one expired. I hope to find more time
> > for Debian very soon."
> > 
> 
> I wonder what very soon now (tm) means. :)
> I assume NMUs can be done (on the mytop package)?

You can always NMU any package when you think it is necessary. We have
a procedure for that :)

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Re: Bug#363250: general: Custom PAGER gives error on sid, but works on sarge

[Loïc Minier]

On Wed, Apr 19, 2006, Henning Makholm wrote:
> Policy does not really specify how to handle $PAGER and its friends

 Feel free to clone against policy, I agree that it would be cleaner to
 define how it should be called in policy (but it would still be nice to
 have man man document how $PAGER is invoked too, or link to policy).

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Re: Philipp Matthias Hahn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> MIA?

[Olaf van der Spek]

On 4/19/06, Christoph Berg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I wonder what very soon now (tm) means. :)
> > I assume NMUs can be done (on the mytop package)?
>
> You can always NMU any package when you think it is necessary. We have
> a procedure for that :)

I think it's necessary for net-tools, but others didn't agree. :)
The maintainer is semi-MIA.

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Installation is FANTASTIC!!!

[Barry Drake]

Hi there ..

It's about five or six years since I made an installation of Debian.  It 
was not easy and took simply ages.  This Easter, I wanted to test 
BibleTime, and decided to make a fresh start.  Congratulations on your 
install system.  The stable version installed so easily and well I just 
couldn't believe it.  It is now far easier to install Debian than 
Windows XP - yes - really.  And I'm not a regular Linux user.


Congrtaulations.

God bless,
Barry

-- From Barry Drake (The Revd) minister of the Netherfield United Reformed 
church, Nottingham see http://www.jesusinnetherfield.org.uk for our church 
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Re: Bug#363250: general: Custom PAGER gives error on sid, but works on sarge

[Manoj Srivastava]

On 18 Apr 2006, Loïc Minier uttered the following:

> reassign 363250 man retitle 363250 Please clarify how $PAGER is
> invoked in the man manpage stop
>
> Hi,
>
> On Tue, Apr 18, 2006, Rohan Dhruva wrote:
>> export PAGER="col -b | view -c 'set ft=man nomod nolist
>> titlestring=MANPAGE' -"
>
> This $PAGER definition makes the assumption that it's passed to sh
> -c (you use pipes and quotes).  The man manpage doesn't say that
> $PAGER is passed to sh -c, it says it will use $PAGER as the program
> to display the manual page.
>
> I suggest you use: export PAGER="sh -c \"col -b | view -c 'set
> ft=man nomod nolist titlestring=MANPAGE' -\""
>
> which explicitely calls sh -c to handle pipes and quotes in the
> expected way.

I expect to be able to pipe stuff to $PAGER, or invoke $PAGER
 on a text file, like so:

 % cat~/.bash_profile | $PAGER
 % $PAGER ~/.bash_profile

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Build failure when autotools are installed (Was: Bug#362584: ITP: xindy -- a flexible indexing system)

[Frank Küster]

Joerg Sommer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>> I wanted to try out myself whether there are any issues, but it fails
>> to build with 
>
> Can you send me the whole build log? Do you have automake or autoconf
> installed? I've noticed that the build process fails if they are,
> because the configure files get recreated and overwrite my changes. 

That sounds like a problem with timestamps.  

> I
> solved this with
>
> % export ACLOCAL=/bin/true AMTAR=/bin/true AUTOCONF=/bin/true \
> AUTOHEADER=/bin/true AUTOMAKE=/bin/true MAKEINFO=/bin/true
> % dpkg-buildpackage ...
>
> but this looks more like a hack. I don't know why they get recreated and
> how to prevent this. I don't want to patch the .am files, because this is
> not needed.

I'm not a autotools wizard, but maybe someone on the list can help.  

Regards, Frank
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Re: Installation is FANTASTIC!!!

[Paul Johnson]

On Wednesday 19 April 2006 01:37, Barry Drake wrote:
> It is now far easier to install Debian than Windows XP - yes - really.  And 
> I'm not a regular Linux user.

And to all those who disagreed with me on this point about two years ago: I 
told you so...

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Re: Build failure when autotools are installed (Was: Bug#362584: ITP: xindy -- a flexible indexing system)

[Stephen Gran]

This one time, at band camp, Frank Küster said:
> Joerg Sommer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> >> I wanted to try out myself whether there are any issues, but it fails
> >> to build with 
> >
> > Can you send me the whole build log? Do you have automake or autoconf
> > installed? I've noticed that the build process fails if they are,
> > because the configure files get recreated and overwrite my changes. 
> 
> That sounds like a problem with timestamps.  
> 
> I'm not a autotools wizard, but maybe someone on the list can help.  

AM_MAINTAINER_MODE is your friend.  If you need a cut-n-pasteable
example, I think the one in clamav should be easily reusable.
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Re: Is Jose Luis Tallon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> MIA?

[Christoph Berg]

Re: Oleksandr Moskalenko 2006-04-18 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> I wonder if anyone has knowledge of the whereabouts of Jose Luis Tallon as far
> as his Debian involvement is concerned. His packages have several RC bugs,
> have not been updated for while, and some of them have been NMUed a while ago.

Hi Alex,

please Cc: people when posting about them on public lists.

You can inquire the MIA status of someone yourself, ssh to merkel, cd
/org/qa.debian.org/mia, ./mia-query [EMAIL PROTECTED] There's also a
README.

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Common Position on RubyGems, stupid? what about /usr/local/ ?

[Antony Lesuisse]

Reading http://pkg-ruby-extras.alioth.debian.org/rubygems.html was
disappointing.

I might be completely wrong but i would like to know what you think about
this idea. I noticed that the ruby1.8 install supports the directory:

/usr/local/lib/site_ruby/1.8

So what about packaging a version of rubygems with its files in:

/usr/lib/ruby/1.8/rubygems.rb
/usr/lib/ruby/1.8/rubygems/*
/usr/bin/gem
...

BUT this version would be configured to install and consume downloaded gems 
into:

/usr/local/lib/site_ruby/1.8/gems

The package is compliant (at installation only it only add an empty dir in
/usr/local).

Admin takes full reponsabilty about rubygem. On purge rubygem only remove its
files in /usr/lib.

I consider rubygem as package similar to wget. I don't expect dpkg -P wget
to remove files i have downloaded when i typed:

wget -O /usr/local/somefile http://some/url

What do you think about that ?

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[MEETINGS] Next D-I team meeting on Saturday April 29th 16:00 UTC

[Christian Perrier]

The next Debian Installer team opened meeting is scheduled for
Saturday Apr 29th 16:00 UTC.

This meeting will be focused on the beta3 release. 

The Wiki page is opened for the meeting agenda.

http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Meetings

I will add timings to the agenda at the last minute, as usual, so
probably on Saturday morning UTC. Expect a meeting duration of about
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Delft Debian Booth, May 17th, @ SANE 2006

[J.A. Bezemer]

  Invitation / Call For Help

  Debian Booth at SANE2006 Free Software Bazaar
  Delft, The Netherlands, TUDelft Aula Congress Centre
  Wednesday, May 17th 2006, 18:30 - 22:00 (local time = CEST)
  25+ projects/communities represented; free entrance, free parking!


Hi all,

Debian has been offered a booth at the Free Software Bazaar, which is part
of the week-long System Administration and Network Engineering Conference
(SANE), 2006 edition, in Delft, The Netherlands.

So, we need.. YOU! to staff the booth, and.. YOU! to visit us.

It's only a single evening, so you don't even need to take a day off.
And it's free; also travel expenses of booth staff will be reimbursed.

Debian developers AND users in the Netherlands and Belgium: please contact
me if you are willing to help -- but also if you can _not_ be present.
Otherwise I might just fail to resist the temptation and start pestering
you personally ;-)


Further things we need:

* Equipment on which to show off our splendid distribution. Anything will
  do. The weirder, the better.

  Apart from your own things:
  - For anyone with some free time: there is a HP 9000 system offered for
showing at the Bazaar, to be collected in Eindhoven. May or may not
run, should have a Woody install, needs serial console (or minicom).
  - And to accompany the above: a nice original VGB11 serial terminal, to
be collected in Papendrecht.
  Contact me if you're interested in playing around with these things.

* Posters and flyers. Currently I don't have any available.

* A WiFi to wired gateway. There will be 802.11b/g, but I'm still
  wired-only...

* We have a video projector ("beamer"), but nothing special to show.
  We need either a dedicated system/laptop, or some (long) VGA cables
  (projector has VGA pass-through).
  [Or, in case someone happens to have a nice presentation in MPEG or
  DivX, I can hook up my DVD player.]

* Ideas on _what_ to show on the equipment that you bring. Of course
  there's the "interesting" stuff like Firefox and OOo, but past
  experience has shown that "fun" stuff gives a much livelier booth.
  So, what (graphical!) games are playable with arrow keys only, have a
  learning curve <2sec and play time 1-5min, run on modest hardware, and
  are fun to show off?

More info and (links to) pictures:
http://www.opensourcepartners.nl/~costar/sane2006delft/


See you in Delft,

  Anne Bezemer


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Re: Common Position on RubyGems, stupid? what about /usr/local/ ?

[Lucas Nussbaum]

On 19/04/06 at 12:33 +0200, Antony Lesuisse wrote:
> Reading http://pkg-ruby-extras.alioth.debian.org/rubygems.html was
> disappointing.

The correct place to express your disappointment about this "stupid"
page is the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing
list, since this is a web page written by the Debian/Ruby Extras team.
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ip access pemit

[Murilo Bernardes]

hello,
i've got a email server and i'd like to permit access only to a few ip numbers. can anyone help with this?

Re: Common Position on RubyGems, stupid? what about /usr/local/ ?

[Eric Dorland]

* Antony Lesuisse ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Reading http://pkg-ruby-extras.alioth.debian.org/rubygems.html was
> disappointing.
> 
> I might be completely wrong but i would like to know what you think about
> this idea. I noticed that the ruby1.8 install supports the directory:
> 
>   /usr/local/lib/site_ruby/1.8
> 
> So what about packaging a version of rubygems with its files in:
> 
>   /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/rubygems.rb
>   /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/rubygems/*
>   /usr/bin/gem
>   ...
> 
> BUT this version would be configured to install and consume downloaded gems 
> into:
> 
>   /usr/local/lib/site_ruby/1.8/gems
> 
> The package is compliant (at installation only it only add an empty dir in
> /usr/local).

Indeed, this is the right approach. Only dpkg should be installing
things into /usr/lib. 
 
> Admin takes full reponsabilty about rubygem. On purge rubygem only remove 
> its
> files in /usr/lib.
> 
> I consider rubygem as package similar to wget. I don't expect dpkg -P wget
> to remove files i have downloaded when i typed:
> 
>   wget -O /usr/local/somefile http://some/url
> 
> What do you think about that ?
> 

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Re: ip access pemit

[Christoph Haas]

On Wed, Apr 19, 2006 at 04:06:40PM -0300, Murilo Bernardes wrote:
> i've got a email server and i'd like to permit access only to a few ip 
> numbers.
> can anyone help with this?

Depends on the mail server (exim? postfix? sendmail?). Also please direct
your questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks and good luck with
your mail server.

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Re: ip access pemit

[Murilo Bernardes]

thanks!!! christoph
by the way, i'm using postfix
can you help anyway?

;' )))
2006/4/19, Christoph Haas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
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Bug#363568: ITP: [RFS] lingot -- accurate and easy to use musical instrument tuner

[Niv Sardi]

Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Niv Sardi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

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* Package name: lingot
  Version : 0.6.1
  Upstream Authors : Ibán Cereijo Graña <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Jairo Chapela Martínez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
* URL : http://www.nongnu.org/lingot/
* License : GPL
  Programming Lang: C++
  Description : accurate and easy to use musical instrument tuner
 Lingot is a musical instrument tuner. It's accurate, easy to use, and
 highly configurable. Originally conceived to tune electric guitars,
 it can now be used to tune any instrument.
 .
 It looks like an analogic tuner, with a gauge indicating the relative
 shift to a certain note indicating that note and its frequency.


 packages are made and ready to be sponsored on debian.cxhome.ath.cx/lingot

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Re: Bug#363250: general: Custom PAGER gives error on sid, but works on sarge

[Steve Langasek]

On Wed, Apr 19, 2006 at 09:12:04AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> > which explicitely calls sh -c to handle pipes and quotes in the
> > expected way.

> I expect to be able to pipe stuff to $PAGER, or invoke $PAGER
>  on a text file, like so:

>  % cat~/.bash_profile | $PAGER
>  % $PAGER ~/.bash_profile

That seems to be an awfully user-specific expectation, given that you can't
assume that PAGER is set *at all* by default.

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Re: ip access pemit

[Paul Johnson]

On Wednesday 19 April 2006 12:06, Murilo Bernardes wrote:
> i've got a email server and i'd like to permit access only to a few ip
> numbers. can anyone help with this?

Please don't ask to ask a question, just ask the question.  What MTA do you 
use?  What is the desired end result?

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Re: Bug#362584: ITP: xindy -- a flexible indexing system

[Agustin Martin]

On Tue, Apr 18, 2006 at 05:43:12PM +, Joerg Sommer wrote:
> Hi Frank,
> > I wanted to try out myself whether there are any issues, but it fails
> > to build with 
> 
> Can you send me the whole build log? Do you have automake or autoconf
> installed? I've noticed that the build process fails if they are,
> because the configure files get recreated and overwrite my changes. I
> solved this with
> 
> % export ACLOCAL=/bin/true AMTAR=/bin/true AUTOCONF=/bin/true \
> AUTOHEADER=/bin/true AUTOMAKE=/bin/true MAKEINFO=/bin/true
> % dpkg-buildpackage ...
> 
> but this looks more like a hack. I don't know why they get recreated and
> how to prevent this. I don't want to patch the .am files, because this is
> not needed.

Hi Joerg,

For the records, I get the same problem and I have both autoconf and
automake1.{4,7,9} installed, automake alternative pointing to automake1.9.

Somebody fluent with the autotools might give a clue here.

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Interesting article about flamewars

[Enrico Zini]

Hello,

I was reading this:

  http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,70179-0.html?tw=wn_index_2

And I'm pondering how to extract some useful suggestions for the Debian
Community Guidelines[1] out of this.  I think the "Read messages
smartly" part[2] almost gets it already, but can that article bring
improvements to it?

I quote the beginning of the Wired article:

 "The Secret Cause of Flame Wars

   'Don't work too hard,' wrote a colleague in an e-mail today. Was she
   sincere or sarcastic? I think I know (sarcastic), but I'm probably
   wrong.
 
   According to recent research published in the Journal of Personality
   and Social Psychology, I've only a 50-50 chance of ascertaining the
   tone of any e-mail message. The study also shows that people think
   they've correctly interpreted the tone of e-mails they receive 90
   percent of the time.?
   
   [...]"

I could also link the article from that part of the DCG, but the page
looks like a link that's going to break: how does one respect the
license of the content AND survive bitrot?  Should I ask wired for
permission to mirror or quote it?

WikiNews also mentions this:
  
http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Study_says_people_don't_understand_the_emotional_tone_of_emails,_but_think_they_do
Other related articles:
  http://www.apa.org/monitor/feb06/egos.html
  http://gsbwww.uchicago.edu/fac/nicholas.epley/EpleyKruger.pdf


Ciao,

Enrico

[1] http://people.debian.org/~enrico/dcg
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Re: Interesting article about flamewars

[Marco d'Itri]

On Apr 20, Enrico Zini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>According to recent research published in the Journal of Personality
>and Social Psychology, I've only a 50-50 chance of ascertaining the
>tone of any e-mail message. The study also shows that people think
>they've correctly interpreted the tone of e-mails they receive 90
>percent of the time.?
News at 11.


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Re: Guidelines for packaging projects on Alioth

[Simon Huggins]

On Wed, Apr 19, 2006 at 11:13:13PM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> * All existing packaging projects should use svnmailer to send SVN diffs
>   to the Package Tracking System. A sample configuration file is provided
>   and I can help if you have troubles installing it. 

Are you proposing that existing projects that send to a project mailing
list should change and send to the PTS and if so can you put forward
some reasons?

I'm just curious really.

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Re: Bug#363598: udev should conflict with ifrename

[Marco d'Itri]

If you have not noticed yet, the latest udev release by default
automatically generates rules to have persistent names for network
interfaces.

I am inclined to agree with the bug reporter, but I want to double check
and ask if anybody has other arguments.

On Apr 20, Michael Biebl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Besides the fact that ifrename is more of a hack, now that udev enables
> persistent naming of interfaces (z25_persistent-net.rules) udev should
> conflict with ifrename. Otherwise the user could get unexpected results
> if /etc/iftab still exists and the ifrename init script tries to rename the
> interfaces (again) with possibly different names than the ones set in
> z25_persistent-net.rules.

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Bug#363539: ITP: menhir -- Parser generator for OCaml

[Samuel Mimram]

Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Samuel Mimram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

* Package name: menhir
  Version : 20060412
  Upstream Author : François Pottier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Yann Régis-Gianas 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
* URL : http://pauillac.inria.fr/~fpottier/menhir/
* License : modified QPL (as OCaml) + LGPL
  Programming Lang: OCaml
  Description : Parser generator for OCaml

Menhir is a LR(1) parser generator for OCaml. It is mostly compatible
with the standard ocamlyacc and has the following enhancements:
 * it accepts LR(1) grammars,
 * it offers parameterized nonterminal symbols as well as a library of
   standard definitions,
 * it explains conflicts in terms of the grammar,
 * it allows grammar specifications to be split over multiple files and
   parametrized by OCaml modules,
 * it produces reentrant parsers.

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Re: Bug#363598: udev should conflict with ifrename

[Peter Palfrader]

On Thu, 20 Apr 2006, Marco d'Itri wrote:

> On Apr 20, Michael Biebl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > Besides the fact that ifrename is more of a hack, now that udev enables
> > persistent naming of interfaces (z25_persistent-net.rules) udev should
> > conflict with ifrename. Otherwise the user could get unexpected results
> > if /etc/iftab still exists and the ifrename init script tries to rename the
> > interfaces (again) with possibly different names than the ones set in
> > z25_persistent-net.rules.

> If you have not noticed yet, the latest udev release by default
> automatically generates rules to have persistent names for network
> interfaces.
> 
> I am inclined to agree with the bug reporter, but I want to double check
> and ask if anybody has other arguments.

I use ifrename to give useful names to interfaces and just because udev
may be able to do this now as well does not mean they should conflict.

Peter
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Re: Common Position on RubyGems, stupid? what about /usr/local/ ?

[Antony Lesuisse]

Isn't that list for subversion commit messages ? I also saw that debian-ruby
was very quiet that's why i posted to devel.

I didn't say this is the official policy, nor that the page was stupid (the
page is actually well done). I'm just asking a question, isn't it stupid not
to support gem officially. I'm not yet sure of the answer.

My intention wasn't to offend anyone. I'm sorry if it's what it did. Probably 
the word stupid shouldn't have been there.


A few points:

	I think ruby will be an important part of debian, mostly because of its 
killer app ruby on rails.


	I also think that using unique namespace is a growing trend in computing. By 
unique namespace i mean path that includes versions and that allow multiple 
version to coexists. for example for global frameworks


perl /usr/lib/perl/5.8.8
ruby /usr/lib/ruby/1.8
python /usr/lib/python2.3

for individual components the MS dotnet gac implemented by mono

/usr/lib/mono/gac/System/1.0.5000.0__b77a5c561934e089/System.dll
ruby gems of course
python eggs more recently

I think it's FHS compliant, under /usr/lib/mono /usr/lib/ruby or 
/usr/lib/python2.3/ there are no restrictions.


I don't know if it's good or bad, but i think upstream frameworks will 
probably use more often that kind naming scheme.


Debian should probably make it easy to mix components from debian (/usr), and 
locally installed package (/usr/local/ and $HOME) such as perl cpan, ruby gems 
and python easy_install eggs. While keeping both sides clean (i.e. avoid the 
installation of any non-deb in /usr).


The support is already good (see /usr/local/share/*), but i think this should 
be extended to those news naming deployments schemes.


Antony

Lucas Nussbaum wrote:

On 19/04/06 at 12:33 +0200, Antony Lesuisse wrote:

Reading http://pkg-ruby-extras.alioth.debian.org/rubygems.html was
disappointing.


The correct place to express your disappointment about this "stupid"
page is the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing
list, since this is a web page written by the Debian/Ruby Extras team.



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Bug#363581: ITP: tremulous -- Team based FPS game with elements of an RTS

[Damien Laniel]

Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Damien Laniel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


* Package name: tremulous
  Version : 1.1.0
  Upstream Author : Name <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
* URL : http://tremulous.net/
* License : GPL, CC
  Programming Lang: C, Asm
  Description : Team based FPS game with elements of an RTS

 Tremulous is a free, open source game that blends a team based FPS with
 elements of an RTS. Players can choose from 2 unique races, aliens and humans.
 Players on both teams are able to build working structures in-game like an RTS.
 These structures provide many functions, the most important being spawning.
 The designated builders must ensure there are spawn structures or other players
 will not be able to rejoin the game after death. Other structures provide
 automated base defense (to some degree), healing functions and much more...
 .
 Player advancement is different depending on which team you are on. As a
 human, players are rewarded with credits for each alien kill. These credits
 may be used to purchase new weapons and upgrades from the "Armoury". The alien
 team advances quite differently. Upon killing a human foe, the alien is able
 to evolve into a new class. The more kills gained the more powerful the classes
 available.
 .
 The overall objective behind Tremulous is to eliminate the opposing team. This
 is achieved by not only killing the opposing players but also removing their
 ability to respawn by destroying their spawn structures.


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nasty libgnutls11 bug still present (affects exim4 and libnss-ldap)

[Daniel Hermann]

Hi,

the nasty libgnutls11 bug described at

  http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=325971 

is still present in the newest Sarge version 1.0.16-13.2 just released
with Sarge 3.1r2, but the bug report is still closed. Already in
January, I wrote an e-mail to the bug report to reopen the bug or
(even better) to fix it for the next Sarge update, since this bug
renders the package essentially unusable for production environments
(e.g. exim4 connecting to LDAP over SSL, or libnss-ldap, see bug report).

I didn't get any response yet, nor has been any activity there to fix
the bug AFAIKS. Could someone please have a look at it. I doubt that
we are the only ones using exim4 with LDAP connections on a server
running Sarge.

The fix is contained in the 3rd mail to the bug report together with
some additional links where the problem is technically discussed. The
patch is simple (affects approx. 10 lines of code in one file) and it
still applies cleanly to 1.0.16-13.2.

At the very least, could you please reopen bug #325971 so that people
can find out what's wrong with their server.

best regards,

Daniel 

(There was a package in October 2005 in proposed-updates
(1.0.16-13.1sarge1) containing the fix, but it disappeared with the
sarge update 3.1r1 since there were additional changes in it rejected
by the release team.)

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Re: Bug#363250: general: Custom PAGER gives error on sid, but works on sarge

[Manoj Srivastava]

On 19 Apr 2006, Steve Langasek uttered the following:

> On Wed, Apr 19, 2006 at 09:12:04AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>>> which explicitely calls sh -c to handle pipes and quotes in the
>>> expected way.
>
>> I expect to be able to pipe stuff to $PAGER, or invoke $PAGER
>> on a text file, like so:
>
>> % cat~/.bash_profile | $PAGER
>> % $PAGER ~/.bash_profile
>
> That seems to be an awfully user-specific expectation, given that
> you can't assume that PAGER is set *at all* by default.

Err, if the PAGER is empty, default it to "more".  What does
 that have to do with the price of tea in china?

If I, as a user, set PAGER such that it meets the above
 expectations, I expect other programs to work with my setting. I do
 not expect other programs on my system to have more stringent
 requirements than the ones given above.

Having PAGER set to a value that can have stuff piped to it,
 to can be invoked on files, seems a reasonable requirement.

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Re: Guidelines for packaging projects on Alioth

[Raphael Hertzog]

On Thu, 20 Apr 2006, Simon Huggins wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 19, 2006 at 11:13:13PM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> > * All existing packaging projects should use svnmailer to send SVN diffs
> >   to the Package Tracking System. A sample configuration file is provided
> >   and I can help if you have troubles installing it. 
> 
> Are you proposing that existing projects that send to a project mailing
> list should change and send to the PTS and if so can you put forward
> some reasons?

No, I'm not proposing that. I'm just asking to send diffs to the PTS as
well as to the mailing list.

I even documented that configuration in the sample configuration file.
That's what I've done with python-modules recently. Some people subscribe
to the -commits list because they are very involved in the team and other
just use the PTS to follow the 2-3 packages that are of interest to them.

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Re: Bug#363250: general: Custom PAGER gives error on sid, but works on sarge

[Steve Langasek]

On Thu, Apr 20, 2006 at 12:05:16AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> >> I expect to be able to pipe stuff to $PAGER, or invoke $PAGER
> >> on a text file, like so:

> >> % cat~/.bash_profile | $PAGER
> >> % $PAGER ~/.bash_profile

> > That seems to be an awfully user-specific expectation, given that
> > you can't assume that PAGER is set *at all* by default.

> Err, if the PAGER is empty, default it to "more".  What does
>  that have to do with the price of tea in china?

$ echo $PAGER

$ $PAGER tea\ in\ china
bash: ./tea in china: Permission denied
$

If $PAGER isn't set, then you can't very well use it as you describe, can
you?

'Course, you can use the sensible-pager command this way.  And
sensible-pager does expect that $PAGER, if set, can take file names as
appended arguments.  So I guess your use cases do model the defacto policy
for use of $PAGER.

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Re: Bug#363598: udev should conflict with ifrename

[Raphael Hertzog]

On Thu, 20 Apr 2006, Peter Palfrader wrote:
> > I am inclined to agree with the bug reporter, but I want to double check
> > and ask if anybody has other arguments.
> 
> I use ifrename to give useful names to interfaces and just because udev
> may be able to do this now as well does not mean they should conflict.

It looks like a good case for a debconf note, which would be displayed
only if ifrename is installed.

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