Re: Spam on the BTS

[Francesco P. Lovergine]

On Sat, Sep 03, 2005 at 08:47:21PM -0700, Blars Blarson wrote:
> spamscan is single-threaded, and the latency of DNSBL lookups is the
> main delay.  We have less than 1 second to process each message on
> average. Any good recomendations for a perl inter-process
> communications library?  Once it becomes multi-threaded CPU usage
> could become an issue, especially if we upgrade to spamassassin 3.

What's wrong with using native perl threads and mutexes ?

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Bug#326710: ITP: wammu -- Mobile Phone Manager

[Michal Čihař]

Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: "Michal Čihař" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

* Package name: wammu
  Version : 0.10
  Upstream Author : Michal Čihař <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
* URL : http://www.cihar.com/gammu/wammu
* License : GPL
  Description : Mobile Phone Manager

Mobile phone manager using Gammu as it's backend. It works with any
phone Gammu supports - many Nokias, Siemens, Alcatel, ... Written using
wxGTK.

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Bug#326711: ITP: python-gammu -- Python module to communicate with mobile phones

[Michal Čihař]

Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: "Michal Čihař" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

* Package name: python-gammu
  Version : 0.10
  Upstream Author : Michal Čihař <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
* URL : http://www.cihar.com/gammu/python
* License : GPL
  Description : Python module to communicate with mobile phones

This provides gammu module, that can work with any phone Gammu supports
- many Nokias, Siemens, Alcatel, ...

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Re: KDE non-installable sarge/stable powerpc

[Sven Luther]

On Sun, Sep 04, 2005 at 08:32:05PM +1000, Brian May wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> According to http://packages.debian.org/stable/libs/libkscan1>,
> this package requires "kdelibs4 (>= 4:3.3.2-6.2)" on the powerpc,
> however the latest version in stable appears to be 4:3.3.2-6.1.
> 
> Many other KDE applications in sarge also depend on this kdelibs4
> which isn't available in sarge.
> 
> Is this a known problem?

Yes, the security updates are broken. Known problem, no idea if a fix is
considered though. Just remove security when doing the install, and then add
it again when upgrading.

Friendly,

Sven Luther


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Re: migrating wiki content from twiki (w.d.net) to moinmoin (w.d.org)

[Jon Dowland]

On Sat, Sep 03, 2005 at 01:34:29AM +0200, Andreas Schuldei wrote:
> The wiki markup languages of twiki and moin-moin are not
> compatible. Still it would be nice to have some content moved
> from the old .net wiki to the new .org one.

This is the first I've heard of plans for a wiki under the official
domain, and I haven't seen any discussion about moin-moin either.
Could you please point me at the relevant discussion so I can play
catch-up?

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Re: migrating wiki content from twiki (w.d.net) to moinmoin (w.d.org)

[Jon Dowland]

On Sat, Sep 03, 2005 at 10:41:40AM +0200, Andreas Fester wrote:
> I thought that the wiki was to be moved to mediawiki?
> 
> http://wiki.debian.net/?HelpMoveDebianWikiToMediaWiki
> 
> Will w.d.org be a replacement for w.d.net? With the latter
> leading to the same page once the migration is done?

On the mediawiki front, I finally (as promised) setup a mediawiki
installation for debian-people to play with, to evaluate it. It's up at
.

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Re: Spam on the BTS

[Filippo Giunchedi]

Blars Blarson wrote:
[snip]
> 
> I've been working on the spam filtering for the BTS.  We are getting
> over 100,000 spams/day and about 50/day get through the filters.

are these numbers available somewhere? (the spam/day ratio for example)
it would be interesting to graph the data.

filippo


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Re: Bug#326648: libsqlite3-0: database handles can't be shared among threads any more

[Francesco P. Lovergine]

On Sun, Sep 04, 2005 at 10:07:56PM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote:
> * Florian Weimer:
> 
> > * Adeodato Simó:
> >
> >>   Also, I have no idea what's the case for Debian: "On some versions of
> >>   Linux, a thread is not able to override locks created by a different
> >>   thread in the same process." Does this depend on the kernel, on libc,
> >>   or on something else?
> >
> > This is probably the same problem as the svnserve problem described
> > here:
> >
> >   
> >
> > IIRC, NPTL is fine, but LinuxThreads aren't.
> 
> I intended to write the opposite: file locks are a per-process
> resource in NPTL, so NPTL probably has the problems, and LinuxThreads
> doesn't.

A question: why using file locking instead of thread mutexes (which is the 
proper
answer to syncronization issues in a thread-safe architecture)? 
"It's more easy" is not a decent answer, of course.

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Re: Spam on the BTS

[Blars Blarson]

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>Blars Blarson wrote:
>> I've been working on the spam filtering for the BTS.  We are getting
>> over 100,000 spams/day and about 50/day get through the filters.
>
>are these numbers available somewhere? (the spam/day ratio for example)
>it would be interesting to graph the data.

Not easily.  There are tons of spam archives on spohr, as well as the
spam I deleted archives.  The latter includes historical spam recently
deleted.

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Re: Bug#326648: libsqlite3-0: database handles can't be shared among threads any more

[Florian Weimer]

* Francesco P. Lovergine:

>> I intended to write the opposite: file locks are a per-process
>> resource in NPTL, so NPTL probably has the problems, and LinuxThreads
>> doesn't.
>
> A question: why using file locking instead of thread mutexes (which
> is the proper answer to syncronization issues in a thread-safe
> architecture)?

SQLite databases (and Subversion repositories) are intended to be
opened concurrently by multiple processes.


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Re: Bug#326648: libsqlite3-0: database handles can't be shared among threads any more

[Francesco P. Lovergine]

On Mon, Sep 05, 2005 at 03:34:42PM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote:
> * Francesco P. Lovergine:
> 
> >> I intended to write the opposite: file locks are a per-process
> >> resource in NPTL, so NPTL probably has the problems, and LinuxThreads
> >> doesn't.
> >
> > A question: why using file locking instead of thread mutexes (which
> > is the proper answer to syncronization issues in a thread-safe
> > architecture)?
> 
> SQLite databases (and Subversion repositories) are intended to be
> opened concurrently by multiple processes.
> 

That's obvious, Florian pointed a limit on a per-thread locking,
not a per-thread one. So what?

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Re: Bug#326648: libsqlite3-0: database handles can't be shared among threads any more

[Francesco P. Lovergine]

On Mon, Sep 05, 2005 at 03:42:54PM +0200, Francesco P. Lovergine wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 05, 2005 at 03:34:42PM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote:
> > * Francesco P. Lovergine:
> > 
> > >> I intended to write the opposite: file locks are a per-process
> > >> resource in NPTL, so NPTL probably has the problems, and LinuxThreads
> > >> doesn't.
> > >
> > > A question: why using file locking instead of thread mutexes (which
> > > is the proper answer to syncronization issues in a thread-safe
> > > architecture)?
> > 
> > SQLite databases (and Subversion repositories) are intended to be
> > opened concurrently by multiple processes.
> > 
> 
> That's obvious, Florian pointed a limit on a per-thread locking,
> not a per-thread one. So what?

Err, I meant 'not per-process one'...

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Re: Bug#326648: libsqlite3-0: database handles can't be shared among threads any more

[Francesco P. Lovergine]

On Mon, Sep 05, 2005 at 03:34:42PM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote:
> * Francesco P. Lovergine:
> 
> >> I intended to write the opposite: file locks are a per-process
> >> resource in NPTL, so NPTL probably has the problems, and LinuxThreads
> >> doesn't.
> >
> > A question: why using file locking instead of thread mutexes (which
> > is the proper answer to syncronization issues in a thread-safe
> > architecture)?
> 
> SQLite databases (and Subversion repositories) are intended to be
> opened concurrently by multiple processes.
> 

To be more clear: programs which use ordinary file locking to
syncronize threads need to be fixed. That's not a problem of 
library version, that's POSIX. That was wrong also when it
incidentally worked. A thread is not a process, that's all.

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Re: migrating wiki content from twiki (w.d.net) to moinmoin (w.d.org)

[Andreas Schuldei]

* Jon Dowland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-09-05 10:04:54]:

> On Sat, Sep 03, 2005 at 01:34:29AM +0200, Andreas Schuldei wrote:
> > The wiki markup languages of twiki and moin-moin are not
> > compatible. Still it would be nice to have some content moved
> > from the old .net wiki to the new .org one.
> 
> This is the first I've heard of plans for a wiki under the official
> domain, and I haven't seen any discussion about moin-moin either.
> Could you please point me at the relevant discussion so I can play
> catch-up?

as far as i know there was no discussion about that, and it is
not just a plan anymore.

And i actually welcome that, since it most likely would be a
rehash of all the "my favourit wiki is better then yours!" and
"it has notification, it is insecure, it is written in php, it is
not in python, ...". I have wittnessed only two such discussions
so far, and those two still have not agreed on a solution but are
stalled, still.

on the frontpage of the new wiki it says that DavidRichardBell
works on a migration of the content now. (anyone has his email,
so that he could coordinate with others?) I am quite happy with
that solution so far.



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Re: Spam on this list

[Michelle Konzack]

Am 2005-09-01 20:20:39, schrieb Petter Reinholdtsen:
> [Allyn, MarkX A]
> > I have been noticing (and a bit irritated) at the spam I am seeing
> > on this and some other email lists. The latest was a bit offensive
> > for me in my work environment.
> 
> The debian lists are not doing a great job in blocking spam.  You

Are you happy ?

If the SPAM-Filter of Debian fails, you will shot yourself...
I think, the filter trash around 99% of the SPAM.

Greetings
Michelle

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Re: Bug#326578: ITP: bashpodder -- Easy to use RSS aggregator bas h script

[Humberto Massa Guimarães]

* Hamish Moffatt ::

> I just packaged podracer last week, which is a derivative of 
> bashpodder.
> Is there any benefit to having both?
> 
> The podracer license is MIT/BSD-style, so if the bashpodder license is
> GPL, something's not quite right!

Does a 14-line bash script (*) contains enough creative work to be
copyrightable? Anyway, podracer does not seem a derivative work, having
a big piece of python included.


(*) bashpodder in all its glory, sans comments:

cd $(dirname $0)
datadir=$(date +%Y-%m-%d)
test -d $datadir || mkdir $datadir || exit 1
rm -f temp.log
while read podcast; do
file=$(wget -q $podcast -O - | xsltproc parse_enclosure.xsl - 2> 
/dev/null) || file=$(wget -q $podcast -O - | tr '\r' '\n' | tr \' \" | sed -n 
's/.*url="\([^"]*\)".*/\1/p')
for url in $file; do
grep -q "$url" podcast.log || wget -q -P $datadir "$url" && 
echo $url >> temp.log
done
done < bp.conf
cat podcast.log >> temp.log
sort temp.log | uniq > podcast.log
rm temp.log
ls $datadir | grep -v m3u > $datadir/podcast.m3u

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REMOVE ME FROM CALL WAVE

[Dover2]

I notified you, electronically a month or more ago to cancel my subscription to CALL WAVE.
This billing has continued on my VISA bill for two or more months.
 
Will you acknowledge receipt of this current message?  I would like a credit memo for the last month or two, but I know this action will not be done on your part.  Kill my account if you do nothing else.
 
Harold C. Fisher
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Re: Spam on this list

[Matthew Garrett]

Michelle Konzack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> If the SPAM-Filter of Debian fails, you will shot yourself...
> I think, the filter trash around 99% of the SPAM.

That should be "spam" - "SPAM" is a trademark of Hormel Foods
Corporation.

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Re: REMOVE ME FROM CALL WAVE

[Frans Pop]

On Monday 05 September 2005 16:34, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I notified you, electronically a month or more ago to cancel my
> subscription to CALL WAVE.
> This billing has continued on my VISA bill for two or more months.
>
> Will you acknowledge receipt of this current message?  I would like a
> credit memo for the last month or two, but I know this action will not
> be done on your part.  Kill my account if you do nothing else.

Hey! Please get your facts straight.

You are sending your message to an address that _HAS NOTHING TO DO AT ALL_ 
with call wave. So, please look elsewhere and stop spamming us.

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Re: REMOVE ME FROM CALL WAVE

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On Sep 05, 2005 at 15:34, [EMAIL PROTECTED] praised the llamas by saying:
>I notified you, electronically a month or more ago to cancel my
>subscription to CALL WAVE.
>This billing has continued on my VISA bill for two or more months.
> 
>Will you acknowledge receipt of this current message?  I would like a
>credit memo for the last month or two, but I know this action will not be
>done on your part.  Kill my account if you do nothing else.
> 
>Harold C. Fisher
>Phone No. 662-755-8726
>E Mail:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
>512 Kings Row
>Yazoo City, MS  39194
> 
This list is for developers of Debian GNU/Linux (http://www.debian.org)
and are not related to Callwave in any way.

Please view http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/01/msg01444.html
for information on how to remove yourself from Callwave.

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Re: Spam on this list

[Petter Reinholdtsen]

[Michelle Konzack]
> Are you happy ?

Sure, I am happy. :)

> If the SPAM-Filter of Debian fails, you will shot yourself...  I
> think, the filter trash around 99% of the SPAM.

I will?  I do not know if gmane uses the debian spamfilters, but it
seem to do quite a good job filtering out spam. :)

I wish the debian mail server would do an equally good job. :)

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Re: Spam on this list

[John Hasler]

Matthew Garrett writes:
> That should be "spam" - "SPAM" is a trademark of Hormel Foods
> Corporation.

Only when used to sell food (in which case "spam" would also infringe the
mark).
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Re: REMOVE ME FROM C4LL W4VE

[John Hasler]

Please do not follow up to these messages.  These idiots apparently Google
the phrase and then spam all the addresses they find.  Posting about the
subject here just creates more hits.
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Bug#326768: ITP: libscriptalicious-perl -- Make scripts more delicious to SysAdmins

[Florian Ragwitz]

Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Florian Ragwitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

* Package name: libscriptalicious-perl
  Version : 1.10
* License : Perl (GPL/Artistic)
  Description : Make scripts more delicious to SysAdmins

 This module helps you write scripts that conform to best common
 practices, quickly.

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Re: Spam on this list

[Matthew Garrett]

John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Matthew Garrett writes:
>> That should be "spam" - "SPAM" is a trademark of Hormel Foods
>> Corporation.
> 
> Only when used to sell food (in which case "spam" would also infringe the
> mark).

No, Hormel only claim the capitalised form. In capitalised form it's a
clear reference to the food product, and as such is potentially
infringing under various circumstances. See
http://www.spam.com/ci/ci_in.htm

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Re: REMOVE ME FROM C4LL W4VE

[David Pashley]

On Sep 05, 2005 at 16:31, John Hasler praised the llamas by saying:
> Please do not follow up to these messages.  These idiots apparently Google
> the phrase and then spam all the addresses they find.  Posting about the
> subject here just creates more hits.

I believe it is far more useful to follow up to these emails providing
useful information how to remove themselves and in particular link to
the rather informative email from Josh Metzler[0] so that they might
find out how to do it themselves rather than emailing the list.

On a side note, I believe that if you are going to follow up, you should
at least be polite. Whilst we may get annoyed with the number of people
asking to be removed, they may not know the extent of the problem and
they will not understand why they get an abusive response. I don't
belive it does the image of Debian any good by sending such replies.

[0] http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/01/msg01444.html

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Re: REMOVE ME FROM C4LL W4VE

[John Hasler]

David Pashley writes:
> I believe it is far more useful to follow up to these emails providing
> useful information how to remove themselves and in particular link to the
> rather informative email from Josh Metzler[0] so that they might find out
> how to do it themselves rather than emailing the list.

Don't follow up.  Reply to them privately.

> On a side note, I believe that if you are going to follow up, you should
> at least be polite.

Unless you cc them they are not going to see the follow up.  They are not
subscribed.
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Re: Spam on this list

[John Hasler]

Matthew Garrett writes:
> No, Hormel only claim the capitalised form. In capitalised form it's a
> clear reference to the food product, and as such is potentially
> infringing under various circumstances.

I'm quite certain that if you brought out a brand of canned pork under the
label "spam" that US courts would find it "confusingly similar" to Hormel's
"SPAM" mark.  While the canonical form of a word trademark is all caps,
changing the capitalization or typeface won't save you from infringement.
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Re: REMOVE ME FROM C4LL W4VE

[David Pashley]

On Sep 05, 2005 at 17:13, John Hasler praised the llamas by saying:
> David Pashley writes:
> > I believe it is far more useful to follow up to these emails providing
> > useful information how to remove themselves and in particular link to the
> > rather informative email from Josh Metzler[0] so that they might find out
> > how to do it themselves rather than emailing the list.
> 
> Don't follow up.  Reply to them privately.

No, because that doesn't help the next person that searches on Google.
> 
> > On a side note, I believe that if you are going to follow up, you should
> > at least be polite.
> 
> Unless you cc them they are not going to see the follow up.  They are not
> subscribed.

I believe I did reply to them.

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Re: REMOVE ME FROM C4LL W4VE

[Bob Proulx]

David Pashley wrote:
> > Don't follow up.  Reply to them privately.
> 
> No, because that doesn't help the next person that searches on Google.

That is exactly the point.  We DO NOT WANT people to find the Debian
mailing lists in any relation to that search.  Every time someone
references it in a Debian mailing list it increases the page range on
Google.  That is the problem.

By referencing it here and keeping the Google page rank pointing here
you are actually hurting the users searching Google in the future.

What would help the user would be to increase the page range of
(avoding the name here) in Google so that when they search for it that
Google actually points them to the right place.

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Re: REMOVE ME FROM C4LL W4VE

[David Pashley]

On Sep 05, 2005 at 18:14, Bob Proulx praised the llamas by saying:
> David Pashley wrote:
> > > Don't follow up.  Reply to them privately.
> > 
> > No, because that doesn't help the next person that searches on Google.
> 
> That is exactly the point.  We DO NOT WANT people to find the Debian
> mailing lists in any relation to that search.  Every time someone
> references it in a Debian mailing list it increases the page range on
> Google.  That is the problem.
> 
> By referencing it here and keeping the Google page rank pointing here
> you are actually hurting the users searching Google in the future.
> 
> What would help the user would be to increase the page range of
> (avoding the name here) in Google so that when they search for it that
> Google actually points them to the right place.

Which is exactly why my reply included the link to
http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/01/msg01444.html so that page
ranks higher than the individual posts from people asking to be removed.
If every time some asks to be removed, we link to that email
in the archive, it will be considered more important than the current
emails that come out top.
> 
> Bob



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Re: REMOVE ME FROM C4LL W4VE

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Bob Proulx wrote:

> David Pashley wrote:
>
>>> Don't follow up. Reply to them privately.
>>
>> No, because that doesn't help the next person that searches on
>> Google.
>
>
> That is exactly the point. We DO NOT WANT people to find the
> Debian mailing lists in any relation to that search. Every time
> someone references it in a Debian mailing list it increases the
> page range on Google. That is the problem.
>
> By referencing it here and keeping the Google page rank pointing
> here you are actually hurting the users searching Google in the
> future.
>
> What would help the user would be to increase the page range of
> (avoding the name here) in Google so that when they search for it
> that Google actually points them to the right place.
>
> Bob


I wonder if it would be possible to appeal to google to have them
manually edit that search so that l.d.o doesn't appear. (Same for
dueling banjo's)

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Re: Spam on this list

[Michelle Konzack]

Hi Matt,

Am 2005-09-05 15:54:47, schrieb Matthew Garrett:
> Michelle Konzack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > If the SPAM-Filter of Debian fails, you will shot yourself...
> > I think, the filter trash around 99% of the SPAM.
> 
> That should be "spam" - "SPAM" is a trademark of Hormel Foods
> Corporation.

???

Sorry, I am Extraterrest and live in France :-)

Greetings
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Re: REMOVE ME FROM C4LL W4VE

[John Hasler]

David Pashley writes:
> No, because that doesn't help the next person that searches on Google.

If these people read the messages they find with their searches they
wouldn't post here.  They don't.  They just grab the address and spam us.

And helping people get off C4LL W4VE is not our job.

> I believe I did reply to them.

But I did not cc them.  That was my point (I replied privately with an
entirely different message).
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Re: Spam on this list

[Wouter Verhelst]

On Mon, Sep 05, 2005 at 07:42:47PM +0200, Michelle Konzack wrote:
> Hi Matt,
> Am 2005-09-05 15:54:47, schrieb Matthew Garrett:
> > Michelle Konzack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > > If the SPAM-Filter of Debian fails, you will shot yourself...
> > > I think, the filter trash around 99% of the SPAM.
> > 
> > That should be "spam" - "SPAM" is a trademark of Hormel Foods
> > Corporation.
> 
> ???
> 
> Sorry, I am Extraterrest and live in France :-)

"spam", as in, unsolicited bulk email, was named after a particular
brand of corned beef. See http://www.spam.com/

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Re: KDE non-installable sarge/stable powerpc

[Sven Luther]

On Sun, Sep 04, 2005 at 05:59:47PM +0200, Adeodato Simó wrote:
> * Brian May [Sun, 04 Sep 2005 20:32:05 +1000]:
> 
> > Is this a known problem?
> 
>   Yes, and the Security Team is aware of it (#325254).

It would be great if we would get an official errata or otherwise a
recomendation on how to fix this though. My current recomendation is to remove
the security line for the install, and after the install is done put it there
again.

This is another instance of the braindead single desktop task and KDE breaking
the install. KDE packager should all die :)

Friendly,

Sven Luther


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Re: KDE non-installable sarge/stable powerpc

[Adeodato Simó]

* Sven Luther [Mon, 05 Sep 2005 20:02:12 +0200]:

> This is another instance of the braindead single desktop task and KDE breaking
> the install. KDE packager should all die :)

  Watch your typos.

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Re: KDE non-installable sarge/stable powerpc

[Thomas Bushnell BSG]

Adeodato Simó <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> * Sven Luther [Mon, 05 Sep 2005 20:02:12 +0200]:
>
>> This is another instance of the braindead single desktop task and KDE 
>> breaking
>> the install. KDE packager should all die :)
>
>   Watch your typos.

Yes, it should be "packagers".  :)

::duck::

Thomas

Re: KDE non-installable sarge/stable powerpc

[Sven Luther]

On Mon, Sep 05, 2005 at 08:35:41PM +0200, Adeodato Simó wrote:
> * Sven Luther [Mon, 05 Sep 2005 20:02:12 +0200]:
> 
> > This is another instance of the braindead single desktop task and KDE 
> > breaking
> > the install. KDE packager should all die :)
> 
>   Watch your typos.

Indeed, it should have read packages.

Anyway, any idea of when this will be fixed, and if it takes long, maybe we
should inform our users about it. This affects all sarge installs, or only
powerpc and some other minority arches ? 

Friendly,

Sven Luther


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Debian OpenSolaris port, exchange with Sun folks in webforum/MailingList

[Andreas Schuldei]

I just chatted with Sun's FOSS embassador Simon Phillips and i
asked if Sun would switch to a LGPL compatible license even for
openSolaris in the course of the recent announcement.

However he said it would stay with the CDDL and was not aware how
that would hinder a debian port of openSolaris. Could the
people who are interested in working on this please head over to
http://www.opensolaris.org/os/discussions/ and more specifically
to  http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/forum.jspa?forumID=32 for the
GNU-Solaris discussion to work on a way to resolve the issues (or
clarify the problems, first)?

Aparently there is even a mailling list interface to those
formums. Feel free to figure it out yourself and mail here once
you found out. (c:

The Sun folks understand full well the power of a debian port of
openSolaris and the lift they would get from it. (c:

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Re: Spam on this list

[Jesús M. Navarro]

Hi, Wouter:

El Lunes, 05 Septiembre 2005 19:52, Wouter Verhelst escribió:
[...]

>
> "spam", as in, unsolicited bulk email, was named after a particular
> brand of corned beef. See http://www.spam.com/

Not exactly.  Spam, as unsolicited bulk email, was named after a particular 
Monty Python's Flying Circus show.  It is Monty Python the ones that used 
spam after the canned meat.  It might probe to be a significant difference if 
held in court.
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Re: Bug#323227: new list: debian-planet to distribute planet.debian.org postings; archive to enable searching

[Benj. Mako Hill]

> I'd like to have a debian-planet list that would receive blog
> postings from planet.debian.org.
> 
> The main reason is that after postings expire on the planet website,
> it's very hard to find old postings if you cannot remember who wrote
> it. Think of "there was some nice sh script snippet" or "someone
> pointed to that great package". Now you have to manually browse all
> feeds or hope for google. Having a regular list archive on
> lists.debian.org would solve this.
> 
> Joey has already set up a list for that privately, but it is not
> archived publically. Providing that service from lists.debian.org
> would recognize the importance of planet.debian.org to Debian
> culture.

Is this private list available for other people to subscribe to? At
the very least, can we document this?

It sounds like a number of people would be happier with with this both
as an unofficial service and a non-public archived list. If Joey is
not happy with running this, I'm happy to set up the rss2email program
on a list at my own site. 

Of course, it's not clear to me if there is a name suggestion other
than "debian-planet" that would make an official list possible. I
still tend to think this would be the best situation.

Regards,
Mako

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Re: Debian OpenSolaris port, exchange with Sun folks in webforum/MailingList

[Sven Luther]

On Mon, Sep 05, 2005 at 08:59:10PM +0200, Andreas Schuldei wrote:
> I just chatted with Sun's FOSS embassador Simon Phillips and i
> asked if Sun would switch to a LGPL compatible license even for
> openSolaris in the course of the recent announcement.
> 
> However he said it would stay with the CDDL and was not aware how
> that would hinder a debian port of openSolaris. Could the
> people who are interested in working on this please head over to
> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/discussions/ and more specifically
> to  http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/forum.jspa?forumID=32 for the
> GNU-Solaris discussion to work on a way to resolve the issues (or
> clarify the problems, first)?
> 
> Aparently there is even a mailling list interface to those
> formums. Feel free to figure it out yourself and mail here once
> you found out. (c:
> 
> The Sun folks understand full well the power of a debian port of
> openSolaris and the lift they would get from it. (c:

Did you per chance mean this one :

  http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=1093&tstart=30

Where there is some mention about the CDDL ? I don't see so much of a problem
with the one you quoted about the mc, but then i may be missing something.

What is the legal CDDL status anyway ?

Friendly,

Sven Luther


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Re: KDE non-installable sarge/stable powerpc

[Thomas Bushnell BSG]

Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Anyway, any idea of when this will be fixed, and if it takes long, maybe we
> should inform our users about it. This affects all sarge installs, or only
> powerpc and some other minority arches ? 

FWIW, it's also blocking work on #325421, which affects more than just
minority arches.

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Bug#326797: ITP: pentagram -- Engine for Ultima VIII: Pagan

[Moritz Muehlenhoff]

Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Moritz Muehlenhoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

* Package name: pentagram
  Version : CVS snapshots
  Upstream Author : W. J. Palenstein, P. Burke, M. Horn, R. Nunn, D. Reichardt,
M. Jimenez
* URL : http://pentagram.sourceforge.net
* License : GPL
  Description : Engine for Ultima VIII: Pagan

Pentagram is a free engine for playing "Ultima VIII: Pagan" on modern operating
systems. Although there are reports of people having completed the game, the
engine still has rough edges and is not yet ripe for a stable release, but could
profit from more wide-spread testing.

Pentagram requires the original game data, so it's targeted at contrib.

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Re: migrating wiki content from kwiki (w.d.net) to moinmoin (w.d.org)

[Jeroen van Wolffelaar]

On Sat, Sep 03, 2005 at 02:10:57PM +0200, Jeroen van Wolffelaar wrote:
> But anyway, what's needed is someone who uses some perl (or whatever) magic
> on that tarball, to get moin-compatible data/pages files that can be
> unpacked in the wiki.debian.org installation by a DSA member. I wonder
> whether with moin moin, there needs to happen anything else too, for example
> (index files rebuild or something?). Unfortunately I'm familiar with kwiki
> nor moin moin.

I gave this a quick go, after finding the real location of the tarball. The
result is at wiki.wolffelaar.nl, and the simple formatting works reasonable.

The result can be found at wiki.wolffelaar.nl, the (dirty) source at
http://www.wolffelaar.nl/~jeroen/kwiki2moinmoin
 
> And someone needs to come up with a way to deal with conflicts, though the
> best way would be to simply prevent them from happening -- i.e., do not create
> pages that already exist on wiki.debian.net.

And, I noticed, selecting which pages to convert and which not to -- some are
pure spam.

Any help is appreciated -- improve formatting conversion, and finding bugs.
For bugreports and patches, please mail me privately or address me on IRC
(jvw). Once I'm reasonably content with the conversion, I'll prepare a tarball
for DSA to install on wiki.debian.org, and then the rest can be done by normal
wiki edits in cases where conversion went haywire.
 
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Re: Debian OpenSolaris port, exchange with Sun folks in webforum/MailingList

[Andreas Schuldei]

* Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-09-05 21:14:20]:

> On Mon, Sep 05, 2005 at 08:59:10PM +0200, Andreas Schuldei wrote:
> > I just chatted with Sun's FOSS embassador Simon Phillips and i
> > asked if Sun would switch to a LGPL compatible license even for
> > openSolaris in the course of the recent announcement.
> > 
> > However he said it would stay with the CDDL and was not aware how
> > that would hinder a debian port of openSolaris. Could the
> > people who are interested in working on this please head over to
> > http://www.opensolaris.org/os/discussions/ and more specifically
> > to  http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/forum.jspa?forumID=32 for the
> > GNU-Solaris discussion to work on a way to resolve the issues (or
> > clarify the problems, first)?
> > 
> > Aparently there is even a mailling list interface to those
> > formums. Feel free to figure it out yourself and mail here once
> > you found out. (c:
> > 
> > The Sun folks understand full well the power of a debian port of
> > openSolaris and the lift they would get from it. (c:
> 
> Did you per chance mean this one :
> 
>   http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=1093&tstart=30

the thread you found is linux related but otherwise rather irrellevant.
Simon said there was not much discussion about licensing yet.

http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/forum.jspa?forumID=32 was what he
meant. i guess that is why he mentioned it to me. (c:


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Re: migrating wiki content from kwiki (w.d.net) to moinmoin (w.d.org)

[Andreas Schuldei]

* Jeroen van Wolffelaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-09-05 22:36:26]:
> Any help is appreciated -- improve formatting conversion, and finding bugs.
> For bugreports and patches, please mail me privately or address me on IRC
> (jvw). Once I'm reasonably content with the conversion, I'll prepare a tarball
> for DSA to install on wiki.debian.org, and then the rest can be done by normal
> wiki edits in cases where conversion went haywire.

great work. it looks very good already.

one thing that i noticed is that the "!" in kwiki which keeps words Like
ToDo or DebConf beeing displayed as WikiNames (and links) are not
yet handled correctly.

the ! at the start of a !WikiWord would need to become a `` in the
Wiki``Word like this.




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Re: migrating wiki content from kwiki (w.d.net) to moinmoin (w.d.org)

[Frans Pop]

On Monday 05 September 2005 22:36, Jeroen van Wolffelaar wrote:
> I gave this a quick go, after finding the real location of the tarball.
> The result is at wiki.wolffelaar.nl, and the simple formatting works
> reasonable.
[...]
> Any help is appreciated -- improve formatting conversion, and finding
> bugs. For bugreports and patches, please mail me privately or address
> me on IRC (jvw). Once I'm reasonably content with the conversion, I'll
> prepare a tarball for DSA to install on wiki.debian.org, and then the
> rest can be done by normal wiki edits in cases where conversion went
> haywire.

It looks like this will take a while. Could the current wiki please have 
writing enabled again if that is the case?

Cheers,
FJP


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Bug#326813: ITP: doom-data -- Installer for doom data files

[Jon Dowland]

Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Jon Dowland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

* Package name: doom-data
  Version : 1
  Upstream Author : Jon Dowland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
* URL : http://jon.dowland.name/code/doom/doom-data/
* License : GPL
  Description : Installer for doom data files

 Doom requires both a doom-engine and doom-data to play. This package
 allows you to install the data files from your original doom floppy
 disks, CD-ROMs or filesystem.

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Re: REMOVE ME FROM C4LL W4VE

[Bob Proulx]

Benjamin Seidenberg wrote:
> I wonder if it would be possible to appeal to google to have them
> manually edit that search so that l.d.o doesn't appear. (Same for
> [replaced with "string instrument" to avoid another google hit]'s)

What I think I would rather see is targeted moderation of anything
that matched either of those two things.  That would keep them out of
the mailing lists and _eventually_ one would think the page rank would
decrease to the old archives.  Of course that would take someone to do
the work of moderating that particular pattern match.  And at least
someone will contrive an example that matches but is otherwise valid
and complain about it.

Perhaps we should call upon everyone who reads Debian lists to, as
their sacred duty, blog somewhere at least three hits to the upstream
sites as a way to artifically promote them higher?  :-/  (sarcasm)

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Re: Spam on the BTS (was: Spam on this list)

[Joerg Sommer]

Hello Blars,

Blars Blarson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>>I have also noticed tickets submitted to the bug facility that are 
>>spam. Can that facility be configured so that if the format (package
>>name, version, etc) is not followed; the bug will not be emailed out
>>to the lists?
>
> I've been working on the spam filtering for the BTS.  We are getting
> over 100,000 spams/day and about 50/day get through the filters.

Do you tried bogofilter or the like?

> Would it be acceptable to reject or drop more non-spam?

Drop not, but reject. It would be the best, if you can reject spam in
the SMTP dialog.

> Would it be acceptable to delay questionable messages for a human to
> review?

How many message would be this? Is a spam team needed?

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Re: Spam on the BTS (was: Spam on this list)

[Marco d'Itri]

On Sep 05, Joerg Sommer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Drop not, but reject. It would be the best, if you can reject spam in
> the SMTP dialog.
Actually it's the only possible solution, a 100K msg/day backscatter
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Re: Spam on the BTS (was: Spam on this list)

[Blars Blarson]

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>Blars Blarson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>>>I have also noticed tickets submitted to the bug facility that are 
>>>spam. Can that facility be configured so that if the format (package
>>>name, version, etc) is not followed; the bug will not be emailed out
>>>to the lists?
>>
>> I've been working on the spam filtering for the BTS.  We are getting
>> over 100,000 spams/day and about 50/day get through the filters.
>
>Do you tried bogofilter

No

> or the like?

Depends how like you consider spamassassin's bayes filters, which are
used.

>> Would it be acceptable to reject or drop more non-spam?
>
>Drop not, but reject. It would be the best, if you can reject spam in
>the SMTP dialog.

This would take cooperation from debian-admin.

>> Would it be acceptable to delay questionable messages for a human to
>> review?
>
>How many message would be this? Is a spam team needed?

I'm already doing the reviewing, but after the messages get to the
bugs.  My guess is reviewing a few hundred messages/day, with a dozen
or two being non-spam.  The point to set could be tuned.  Mainly I'd
need help when I'm unavailable, but the other BTS admins would
probably be willing, or this could be turned off for a few days at a
time.

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dpkg -L dpkg-query -L do not find all the files from a package

[Angelina Carlton]

I am not sure if this is a bug, and oversight or by design but dpkg -L
 or dpk-query -L  do not always list every single file
the package installs. 

I was told on #debian-devel that, yes it is in-precise, so I am just
wondering why would it *not* list all the files? What defines if a file
is included or excluded from this list.

I am asking because this list is extremely useful for scripts or tools
one might develop, but cannot be considered reliable in the least
because of this (IMO) shortcoming.

If it is by design, then forgive me, I am probably trying to use dpkg
outside of what it was designed for. Is there another definitive method
that I should use?

just curious..
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Re: dpkg -L dpkg-query -L do not find all the files from a package

[The Fungi]

On Mon, Sep 05, 2005 at 11:18:01PM -0400, Angelina Carlton wrote:
[...]
> I was told on #debian-devel that, yes it is in-precise, so I am just
> wondering why would it *not* list all the files? What defines if a file
> is included or excluded from this list.
[...]

A quick look through the dpkg source will tell you, but it is
precise for certain definitions of "all files". Specifically, -L
will show you all files contained (archived) within the package, but
not files created by post-install scripts, by the installed
applications themselves, et cetera. In short, there is no way for
dpkg to know if a script or application within the package will
spawn additional files, and it is the duty of the package maintainer
to clean these up on removing/purging the package (generally in
per/post-remove scripts). Hope that helps...
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Re: mass bug filing on packages that are blocking use of cdebconf

[Morten Werner Olsen]

On Wed, Aug 31, 2005 at 04:27:12PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:

> Just a reminder that these maintainers still have packages that depend
> on debconf by itself without an alternate dependency on | debconf-2.0.
> As I mentioned in my original post, I plan to file bugs on all of these
> soon, which, omitting all the lg-issue* packages, comes to about 550
> bugs.

[snip]

> Morten Werner Olsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>slbackup

This is fixed in 0.0.8-1.


- Werner


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