Re: library packaging doc...

2005-01-28 Thread Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña
On Fri, Jan 28, 2005 at 02:54:07AM +0900, Junichi Uekawa wrote:
> I was kind of waiting for inclusion into the developers reference, 
> but the text format is different.
> 
> libpkg-guide is written in docbook XML while 
> developers reference is written in DebianDoc SGML.

Could you please consider contributing this to the DDP and adding it to the 
DDP CVS? I'd rather not have Debian Documentation in all sort of different 
places, specially documentation written by DDs. And the DDP is the proper 
place to both provide this (through the CVS, which gets built and published 
in Debian's website) and submit bugs to (through the virtual 'debian-doc' 
package)

> Considering that enough people seem to be feeling the
> itch for libpkg-guide package, and since I would 
> consider using the BTS etc. for revision management
> of libpkg-guide, I might go around packaging it as a
> Debian package.

The DDP does not have currently a virtual BTS entry (like www.debian.org) 
but one could be set up if needed for documents there.

Regards

Javier


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Re: Work-needing packages report for Jan 28, 2005

2005-01-28 Thread Daniel van Eeden
My ISP's spamassasin tags the work-needing emails as spam. It is very
easy to lower the spam score. One of the triggered testsis NO_REAL_NAME
witch is extremely easy to circumvent.

The triggered tests:
AWL, BAYES_00, J_CHICKENPOX_13, J_CHICKENPOX_24, J_CHICKENPOX_32,
J_CHICKENPOX_33, J_CHICKENPOX_41, J_CHICKENPOX_44, J_CHICKENPOX_51,
J_CHICKENPOX_63, J_CHICKENPOX_65, J_CHICKENPOX_81, NO_REAL_NAME, TW_BD,
TW_BF, TW_BG, TW_BH, TW_BJ, TW_BL, TW_BM, TW_BQ, TW_BV, TW_BX, TW_BZ,
TW_CS, TW_CX, TW_DB, TW_DF, TW_DK, TW_DN, TW_DP, TW_DR, TW_DW, TW_DX,
TW_EV, TW_FH, TW_FM, TW_FN, TW_FV, TW_FW, TW_GD, TW_GF, TW_GG, TW_GK,
TW_GP, TW_GT, TW_GX, TW_HF, TW_HK, TW_HP, TW_HR, TW_IB, TW_JF, TW_JH,
TW_JP, TW_JS, TW_KB, TW_KD, TW_KP, TW_KR, TW_KX, TW_LP, TW_LR, TW_LV,
TW_LX, TW_MD, TW_MF, TW_MG, TW_MH, TW_MK, TW_MX, TW_NF, TW_NQ, TW_NV,
TW_OC, TW_OK, TW_OQ, TW_OZ, TW_PD, TW_PG, TW_PM, TW_PN, TW_PP, TW_PQ,
TW_PX, TW_QD, TW_QG, TW_QL, TW_QT, TW_QV, TW_QW, TW_QX, TW_RQ, TW_RW,
TW_SG, TW_SL, TW_SQ, TW_SV, TW_SX, TW_TB, TW_TK, TW_TP, TW_UQ, TW_UV,
TW_VD, TW_VG, TW_VM, TW_VP, TW_VR, TW_VS, TW_VW, TW_WC, TW_WM, TW_WP,
TW_WR, TW_WT, TW_WU, TW_WV, TW_WX, TW_XB, TW_XC, TW_XD, TW_XG, TW_XJ,
TW_XM, TW_XN, TW_XP, TW_XS, TW_XV, TW_XZ, TW_YY, TW_ZG, TW_ZH, TW_ZM,
TW_ZP, TW_ZV

On Fri, 2005-01-28 at 00:26 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Report about packages that need work for Jan 28, 2005
> 
> Total number of packages offered up for adoption: 71
> Number of packages offered up for adoption this week: 2
> Total number of orphaned packages: 239
> Number of packages orphaned this week: 1
> Total number of packages requested help for: 20
> Number of packages requested help for this week: 0
> 
> The number in parenthesis after each package name is the corresponding
> bug report number.
> 
> Please refer to http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/ for more information.
> 
> 
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Re: Work-needing packages report for Jan 28, 2005

2005-01-28 Thread Bastian Blank
On Fri, Jan 28, 2005 at 09:15:21AM +0100, Daniel van Eeden wrote:
> The triggered tests:
> AWL, BAYES_00, J_CHICKENPOX_13, J_CHICKENPOX_24, J_CHICKENPOX_32,
> J_CHICKENPOX_33, J_CHICKENPOX_41, J_CHICKENPOX_44, J_CHICKENPOX_51,
> J_CHICKENPOX_63, J_CHICKENPOX_65, J_CHICKENPOX_81, NO_REAL_NAME, TW_BD,
> TW_BF, TW_BG, TW_BH, TW_BJ, TW_BL, TW_BM, TW_BQ, TW_BV, TW_BX, TW_BZ,
> TW_CS, TW_CX, TW_DB, TW_DF, TW_DK, TW_DN, TW_DP, TW_DR, TW_DW, TW_DX,
> TW_EV, TW_FH, TW_FM, TW_FN, TW_FV, TW_FW, TW_GD, TW_GF, TW_GG, TW_GK,
> TW_GP, TW_GT, TW_GX, TW_HF, TW_HK, TW_HP, TW_HR, TW_IB, TW_JF, TW_JH,
> TW_JP, TW_JS, TW_KB, TW_KD, TW_KP, TW_KR, TW_KX, TW_LP, TW_LR, TW_LV,
> TW_LX, TW_MD, TW_MF, TW_MG, TW_MH, TW_MK, TW_MX, TW_NF, TW_NQ, TW_NV,
> TW_OC, TW_OK, TW_OQ, TW_OZ, TW_PD, TW_PG, TW_PM, TW_PN, TW_PP, TW_PQ,
> TW_PX, TW_QD, TW_QG, TW_QL, TW_QT, TW_QV, TW_QW, TW_QX, TW_RQ, TW_RW,
> TW_SG, TW_SL, TW_SQ, TW_SV, TW_SX, TW_TB, TW_TK, TW_TP, TW_UQ, TW_UV,
> TW_VD, TW_VG, TW_VM, TW_VP, TW_VR, TW_VS, TW_VW, TW_WC, TW_WM, TW_WP,
> TW_WR, TW_WT, TW_WU, TW_WV, TW_WX, TW_XB, TW_XC, TW_XD, TW_XG, TW_XJ,
> TW_XM, TW_XN, TW_XP, TW_XS, TW_XV, TW_XZ, TW_YY, TW_ZG, TW_ZH, TW_ZM,
> TW_ZP, TW_ZV

AWL, BAYES_00 and NO_REAL_NAME are stock spamassassin rules:
| $ grep AWL /usr/share/spamassassin -r
| /usr/share/spamassassin/60_whitelist.cf:header AWL  
eval:check_from_in_auto_whitelist()
| $ grep BAYES_00 /usr/share/spamassassin -r   
| /usr/share/spamassassin/23_bayes.cf:body BAYES_00   
eval:check_bayes('0.00', '0.01')
| $ grep NO_REAL_NAME /usr/share/spamassassin -r
| /usr/share/spamassassin/20_head_tests.cf:header NO_REAL_NAMEFrom 
=~ /^["\s]*\<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>?\s*$/

But the others are not. You have to fix the problem yourself.

Bastian

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Re: Bug#292183: ITP: gtkpizza -- Pizza takeaway managment program written in gtk

2005-01-28 Thread Ian Campbell
On Tue, 2005-01-25 at 17:08 +0100, Guglielmo Dapavo wrote:
> * URL : http://www.dapavo.it/

Sounds like an interesting project, but there's nothing there apart from
a zope icon. I googled a bit but www.gtkpizza.org seems to be a domain
name search holding page. Is there a homepage somewhere else?

Ian.

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Urgent

2005-01-28 Thread etse hellene




Bonjour Monsieur,
Je suis une des  Responsable des billets d'échange au Département des  Remises internationales  dans une Banque.  J'écris pour solliciter votre aide et assistance pour effectuer une transaction confidentielle. J’ai découvert un compte abandonné d’une somme de 11.500.000 dollars (Onze Millions Cinq Cent Mille Dollars) appartenant à un client étranger qui est décédé avec toute sa famille dans le crash de la Concorde en  l’an 2000 à Paris dans lequel presque tous les passagers ont perdu leur vie. 
Depuis que nous avons reçu cette information, nous espérons qu’un Bénéficiaire vienne  réclamer les fonds car notre banque ne peux remettre cet argent à quelqu’un que sauf si la personne envoie une demande a la banque Comme étant bien sur une relation du disparu comme l’indique la constitution  de la banque ; mais malheureusement nous avons remarqué  que le  bénéficiaire aussi été mort ensemble avec lui car ils voyageaient
ensemble.C’est donc à  la découverte de cette information que j’ai décidé de vous proposer cette affaire afin que cet argent vous soit remis comme bénéficiaire ou une relation du propriétaire du compte pour que je vienne récupérer  après comme personne ne viendra pour le réclamer jusqu'à ce que cela sera  verse  dans les coffres de la trésorerie de la banque .Les régulations bancaires demandent à ce que tout  compte qui reste sans opération pendant trois années successives  soit versé dans les coffres de la trésorerie de la banque comme fonds non réclame. Le besoin d’un partenaire étranger dans un autre pays comme bénéficiaire survient 
 dans cette affaire du  fait que le propriétaire du compte est un  étranger et un ivoirien ne peut jamais être son bénéficiaire  direct. Nous offrons de vous donner en tant notre partenaire étranger a la  suite  cette  transaction, un pourcentage de 20 pour cent, 5 pour cent des fonds transfères  serviront au remboursement de toutes les dépenses qui seront accumulées  durant le transfert s’il y a lieu et les 75 pour cent ( 75% ) restant reviendra à moi. Je vous rejoindrai  dans votre pays après le  Transfert pour le retrait selon les  pourcentage sus mentionnes. Par ailleurs, afin de faciliter le transfert le plus tôt possible vous allez envoyer une demande directement à  la banque comme étant une relation du propriétaire du compte en indiquant votre banque, le numéro de compte,  ou cet argent sera viré,   votre numéro de téléphone et de fax pour une communication constante et effective entre nous.
Des la réception de votre réponse, je vous enverrai par email ou par  fax  le texte de la demande. Je dois aussi vous rassurer que cette transaction est sans aucun engagement et libre de tout risque et vous ne devez pas  avoir aucune peur car tous les arrangements sont pris de notre coté  pour que tout se passe très bien.
Veuillez me répondre vite  car je compte sur vous pour mener a bout  cette transaction. 
Recevez mes sincères salutations.
ETSE
		 
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Re: Urgent

2005-01-28 Thread Francois Bottin
Selon etse hellene <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

>
> Bonjour Monsieur,
>

For those not speaking french, this is a nigerian scam... The first I have ever
received in this language, albeit very poorly written.

François.

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Re: try to keep a watch file into your package

2005-01-28 Thread Bluefuture
Il giorno mer, 26-01-2005 alle 09:02 +0100, Free Ekanayaka ha scritto:

> Thanks for this effort.
> 
> Would it make  sense to support  queries  of dehs  by maintainer email
> address?
> 
> This ways it would be  easier for people  to check the status of their
> own packages.

This functionality is already implemented at http://dehs.alioth.debian.org

Cheers,
Blue


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Re: try to keep a watch file into your package

2005-01-28 Thread Bluefuture
>What do you do with packages that have uncooperative upstream and thus
>a watch file is not possible?
>
>apg's web host, for example, doesn't support directory listings, so I
>had to resort on checking the fingerprint of the download web page to
>find out whether there is a new release.
>
>Greetings
>Marc

If there is no way, other than following mailing list, to know upstream version 
and the upstream author doesn't want to help you 
there is no way for dehs to follow upstream release, but this is not the case 
of apg. I think that this watch file works fine:

version=2
http://www.adel.nursat.kz/apg/download.shtml  download/apg-([^b]+)\.tar\.gz 
debian uupdate

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Re: Urgent

2005-01-28 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Francois Bottin wrote:
> Selon etse hellene <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 
> >
> > Bonjour Monsieur,
> >
> 
> For those not speaking french, this is a nigerian scam... The first I have 
> ever
> received in this language, albeit very poorly written.

Probably some automated translation, like the german variants are.


Thiemo


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Re: Urgent

2005-01-28 Thread Francois Bottin
Selon Thiemo Seufer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Francois Bottin wrote:
> > Selon etse hellene <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >
> > >
> > > Bonjour Monsieur,
> > >
> >
> > For those not speaking french, this is a nigerian scam... The first I have
> > ever received in this language, albeit very poorly written.
>
> Probably some automated translation, like the german variants are.

Perhaps, but I don't think so if the claim stating that the author is Ivorian is
true: the official language in Cote d'Ivoire is french.

German is not so widely used over the world then I think you are less prone to
receive s[cp]am in your language, making the automatic filtering easier.

François.

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eleventh-hour transition for mysql-using packages related to apache

2005-01-28 Thread Steve Langasek
Previously, a number of packages have had to continue to link against
libmysqlclient10 in spite of the availability of libmysqlclient12 libraries
from upstream's MySQL 4.0 release.  Some of these have been due to the lack
of a clear license exemption allowing libmyslqclient12 to be linked from
GPL-incompatible programs; others have been held back to avoid segfaults
caused by loading both libmysqlclient10 and libmysqlclient12 in the same
address space.

Over the past six months, the situation has changed significantly.  The
mysql maintainer, mysql upstream, and others have admirably worked through
the license issues to get a license exception that meets the needs of the
software that Debian distributes.  You can find the current version of this
license exception at [1].  At the same time, compatibility between the old
client libs and the current server (including the version that we will ship
with sarge) has waned, to the point that no libmysqlclient10 clients will
work with the default configuration of MySQL 4.1, and some won't work with
any MySQL 4.x server at all [2].

As a result, in spite of the timing wrt the release, I'm proposing a
transition to libmysqlclient12 for a number of packages for sarge.  The
packages listed below are those packages currently in sarge which either are
broken with MySQL 4.x, or have the possibility of conflicting with one of the
packages that do (mostly by being loaded by a webserver such as apache or
apache2, or being mysql bindings for a language that also has ODBC bindings).

aspseek-libmysqldb
catalog
caudium-php4
freeradius-mysql
gda-mysql
gda2-mysql
libapache-mod-acct-mysql
libapache-mod-auth-mysql
libapache-mod-mp3
libapache2-mod-auth-mysql
libdbd-mysql
libdbd-mysql-perl
libgnademysql1
libmyodbc
libmysql-ruby1.6
libmysql-ruby1.8
libsqlxx2.3c102
mysqltcl
php3-mysql
php4-mysql
python2.2-mysqldb
python2.3-mysqldb

It would also probably be a good idea to transition these packages at the
same time:

  dovecot-common
  exim4-daemon-heavy
  libnss-mysql
  libnss-mysql-bg
  libpam-mysql
  libsasl2-modules-sql

I have Cc:ed the maintainers of these packages.  If anyone knows of other
packages linked to libmysqlclient10 that will be affected by this
transition, please let us know.

While introducing versioned symbols into the mysqlclient libraries could
have a longer-term benefit in eliminating the kind of segfaults motivating
this all-at-once transition, in the present case there are other factors:

- since libmysqlclient10 didn't use symbol versioning in woody, users would
  still get segfaults from partial upgrades
- getting benefits from symbol versioning requires rebuilding all packages
  depending on the library *anyway*, so we might as well upgrade to the new
  version of the lib in the process.

I think it would be beneficial if libmysqlclient12 used symbol versioning
for sarge, but I don't think that we should wait for that to happen before
fixing the present issues.

The current plan for this transition is as follows:

- I will transition libmyodbc and php4 to libmysqlclient12 at the end of
  this weekend.  Other maintainers are encouraged to upload around the same
  time.  Maintainers who will not be around this week, and would like their
  packages to be NMUed, can email me privately.
- On Wednesday, Feb 2, I will file grave bugs on any remaining packages from
  the first list above that have not been relinked against libmysqlclient12,
  because they will now certainly cause segfaults in certain configurations.
  The packages in the second group will not be targetted, because NSS and
  PAM modules may cause some segfaults regardless of which library they link
  against, so the fact that they do not already have RC bugs against them
  means that this problem is probably quite rare.
- On Saturday, Feb 5, I will begin NMUing any packages from the first list
  that have still not been fixed.  Since there are only 17 source packages
  total, I expect to be done by the end of the weekend.


If you object to this plan, please speak up now.

Cheers,
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[1] http://www.mysql.com/company/legal/licensing/foss-exception.html
[2] http://bugs.debian.org/274879


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Re: Urgent

2005-01-28 Thread Frank Küster
Francois Bottin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb:

>> > For those not speaking french, this is a nigerian scam... The first I have
>> > ever received in this language, albeit very poorly written.
>>
>> Probably some automated translation, like the german variants are.
>
> Perhaps, but I don't think so if the claim stating that the author is Ivorian 
> is
> true: the official language in Cote d'Ivoire is french.
>
> German is not so widely used over the world then I think you are less prone to
> receive s[cp]am in your language, making the automatic filtering easier.

So you think spam is the revenge for colionalism? Lucky Germans, we.

Namibian scam, anybody?

Regards, Frank
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Re: Urgent

2005-01-28 Thread Francois Bottin
Selon Frank Küster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> So you think spam is the revenge for colionalism? Lucky Germans, we.
>
> Namibian scam, anybody?

Hum... From your signature I guess you are from Switzerland and do not know a
lot about german history, but you should know that at a time in history Germany
had colonialized part of Africa. I hesitated in adding a note to avoid this slip
in the discussion, and I certainly do not want to see here why there is no more
german colony today.

History is past, do not waken this please. Some wounds have already been
refreshed this week and this is enough.

François.

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Re: try to keep a watch file into your package

2005-01-28 Thread Free Ekanayaka
|--==> bluefuture  writes:

  b> Il giorno mer, 26-01-2005 alle 09:02 +0100, Free Ekanayaka ha scritto:
  >>Thanks for this effort.
  >>
  >>Would it make  sense to support  queries  of dehs  by maintainer email
  >>address?
  >>
  >>This ways it would be  easier for people  to check the status of their
  >>own packages.

  b> This functionality is already implemented at http://dehs.alioth.debian.org

Ooops, I missed it! Thanks.

Cheers,

Free


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Re: library packaging doc...

2005-01-28 Thread Junichi Uekawa
Hi,

I seem to have lost the mail I tried to send last time, rewriting.

> Could you please consider contributing this to the DDP and adding it to the 
> DDP CVS? I'd rather not have Debian Documentation in all sort of different 
> places, specially documentation written by DDs. And the DDP is the proper 
> place to both provide this (through the CVS, which gets built and published 
> in Debian's website) and submit bugs to (through the virtual 'debian-doc' 
> package)

I need three things

1. Is result of DDP packaged in Debian as a batch?
2. does it support docbook sgml/xml?
3. can I get commit-access to CVS?


regards,
junichi


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Re: Urgent

2005-01-28 Thread Frank Küster
Francois Bottin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb:

> Selon Frank Küster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>> So you think spam is the revenge for colionalism? Lucky Germans, we.
>>
>> Namibian scam, anybody?

I forgot to put some irony indicators here.

> Hum... From your signature I guess you are from Switzerland 

I work there, but am german.

> and do not know a
> lot about german history, but you should know that at a time in history 
> Germany
> had colonialized part of Africa.

Today Namibia, that's why I was asking for bad german scam from
there... 

Excuse me if I have annoyed anybody with a bad joke.

Regards, Frank
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Re: NM queue and groups

2005-01-28 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Thu, Jan 27, 2005 at 02:41:12PM +0100, Frank K?ster wrote:
> Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > All the rational discussion has always been about what constitutes
> > 'hiding', 
> 
> I have also read discussion about what we promise not to hide (before
> our users, and before fellow developers). I didn't get the impression
> that this discussion wasn't rational (although it may have been
> conducted in a rather emotional way sometimes).

Did you not read the sentence you quoted? Nothing in this paragraph
contradicts it.

> But may I point you to the fact that Joel just
> tried to start such a discussion (albeit only in a side note to a side
> note)? You didn't show that this was irrational (except by assertion
> that it is not possible to rationally discuss the meaning of the word
> "problems").

It is not necessary to show that a non-obvious assertion with no
rationale is irrational. The only appropriate response to a
disconnected assertion, such as the one he introduced, is to assert
that it is wrong and indicate the correct one. Anything less is to
encourage the propagation of an incorrect meme; anything more is a
waste of time. Anybody who is interested in discussing the issue will
then proceed to discuss it; anybody who is not will demonstrate this
fact in a fairly obvious manner (around here, usually denoted by
pointless rants and ad-hominem arguments), several examples of which
can be seen in this thread.

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Bug#292645: ITP: gnomeradio -- FM radio tuner for GNOME

2005-01-28 Thread Dan Korostelev
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Dan Korostelev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

* Package name: gnomeradio
  Version : 1.5
  Upstream Author : JÃrgen Scheibengruber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
* URL : http://mfcn.ilo.de/gnomeradio/
* License : GPL
  Description : FM radio tuner for GNOME

 Gnomeradio is a FM radio tuning program for GNOME desktop environment.

 It uses GTK+ 2 technology for user interface and video4linux drivers
 for actual FM tuning, so it'll work with any FM radio tuner, supported
 by v4l.

-- System Information:
Debian Release: 3.1
  APT prefers unstable
  APT policy: (990, 'unstable'), (1, 'experimental')
Architecture: i386 (i586)
Kernel: Linux 2.6.10-1-386
Locale: LANG=en_US.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8)



Bug#292643: ITP: cl-s-xml -- simple Common Lisp XML parser

2005-01-28 Thread Luca Capello
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Luca Capello <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

* Package name: cl-s-xml
  Version : 3+cvs.2005.01.27
  Upstream Author : Sven Van Caekenberghe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
* URL : http://common-lisp.net/project/s-xml/
* License : Lisp LGPL
  Description : simple Common Lisp XML parser

 S-XML is a Common Lisp implementation of a simple XML parser, with
 a SAX-like and DOM interface.
 .
 This XML parser implementation has the following features:
  * It works (handling many common XML usages).
  * It is very small (the core is about 400 lines of code, including
comments and whitespace).
  * It has a core API that is simple, efficient and pure functional, much
like that from SSAX (see also http://ssax.sourceforge.net).
  * It supports different DOM models: an XSML-based one, an LXML-based one
and a classic xml-element struct based one.
  * It is reasonably time and space efficient (internally avoiding garbage
generatation as much as possible).
 .
 This XML parser implementation has the following limitations:
  * It does not support CDATA.
  * Only supports simple character sets.
  * It does not support name spaces
  * It does not support any special tags (like processing instructions).
  * It is not validating, even skips DTD's all together.

=

I already packaged it, it's available on my unofficial Debian repository:
http://luca.pca.it/debian/

My GPG key is 6D742669, http://keyserver.linux.it or http://luca.pca.it,
key fingerprint 10CD 0397 6DBE 1E36 DEA3  72CC 540A 7B5E 6D74 2669

The package is based on other cl-* packages, I followed the "Debian
New Maintainers' Guide" and it's lintian checked.

This is my first *official* Debian package, it will be follow ASAP by
cl-gtk (which needs to be checked for some little Debian things). I
haven't wrote to the sponsor list yet, because AFAIK most of the cl-*
packages are updated by Kevin M. Rosenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, so maybe
he'd be direct interested in sponsoring me (or whatever the best for
this and the other cl-* packages I'm going to ITP).

I'm here for any other questions, suggestions, etc.

Thx, bye,
Gismo / Luca

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Re: Urgent

2005-01-28 Thread Steve Greenland
On 28-Jan-05, 04:30 (CST), Francois Bottin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> For those not speaking french, this is a nigerian scam... The first I
> have ever received in this language, albeit very poorly written.

That's sad, because the English ones are the epitomy of prose styling,
not to mention a model of correct grammar and spelling.

Steve
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Re: eleventh-hour transition for mysql-using packages related to apache

2005-01-28 Thread Andreas Metzler
On Fri, Jan 28, 2005 at 05:03:26AM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote:
[...] 
> Over the past six months, the situation has changed significantly.  The
> mysql maintainer, mysql upstream, and others have admirably worked through
> the license issues to get a license exception that meets the needs of the
> software that Debian distributes.  You can find the current version of this
> license exception at [1].

At a short glance this still seems to be missing a OpenSSL exception.
- Has this been resolved?

[...] 
>   exim4-daemon-heavy
[...]
>   libpam-mysql
[...]

These two would need to change at the same time, otherwise #235938
would reappear. (A symbol clash when using PAM authenticcation in exim
on a system using pam-mysql.)

[...]
> I think it would be beneficial if libmysqlclient12 used symbol versioning
> for sarge, but I don't think that we should wait for that to happen before
> fixing the present issues.
[...]

Upstream has denied adding versioned symbols once
(http://bugs.debian.org/236288) they'd need to be convinced.
  cu andreas


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Bug#292653: ITP: lhs2tex -- Preprocessor to generate LaTeX code from literate Haskell sources

2005-01-28 Thread John Goerzen
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist


* Package name: lhs2tex
  Version : 1.9
  Upstream Author : Ralf Hinze [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Andres Loeh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
* URL : http://www.cs.uu.nl/~andres/lhs2tex/
* License : GPL
  Description : Preprocessor to generate LaTeX code from literate Haskell 
sources

lhs2TeX includes the following features:

* Different styles to process your source file: for instance,
  "tt" style uses a monospaced font for the code while still 
  allowing you to highlight keywords etc, whereas
  "poly" style uses proportional fonts for identifiers, handles
  indentation nicely, is able to replace binary operators by
  mathematical symbols and take care of complex horizontal
  alignments.

* Formatting directives, which let you customize the way certain
  tokens in the source code should appear in the processed 
  output.

* A liberal parser that can handle most of the language 
  extensions; you don't have to restrict yourself to Haskell 98.

* Preprocessor-style conditionals that allow you to generate
  different versions of a document from a single source file
  (for instance, a paper and a presentation).

* Active documents: you can use Haskell to generate parts of the 
  document (useful for papers on Haskell).

* A manual explaining all the important aspects of lhs2TeX.

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Re: NM queue and groups

2005-01-28 Thread Frank Küster
Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

[stuff]

I cannot follow you, sorry. EOT.

Regards, Frank
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Bug#292666: ITP: autoreply -- A safe, rate-limited auto-responder

2005-01-28 Thread Christopher Sacca
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist


* Package name: autoreply
  Version : 1.2
  Upstream Author : Giles Lean 
* URL : http://www.nemeton.com.au/sw/autoreply/
* License : BSD
  Description : A safe, rate-limited auto-responder

A safe, rate-limited autoresponder
autoreply is a simple autoresponder useful for replying to
email upon receipt.

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Bug#292667: ITP: autoreply -- A safe, rate-limited autoresponder

2005-01-28 Thread Chris Sacca
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist


* Package name: autoreply
  Version : 1.2
  Upstream Author : Giles Lean 
* URL : http://www.nemeton.com.au/sw/autoreply/
* License : BSD
  Description : A safe, rate-limited autoresponder

 Autoreply is a simple autoresponder useful for replying to
 email upon receipt.

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Re: NM queue and groups

2005-01-28 Thread Joel Aelwyn
On Fri, Jan 28, 2005 at 02:35:11PM +, Andrew Suffield wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 27, 2005 at 02:41:12PM +0100, Frank K?ster wrote:
> > But may I point you to the fact that Joel just
> > tried to start such a discussion (albeit only in a side note to a side
> > note)? You didn't show that this was irrational (except by assertion
> > that it is not possible to rationally discuss the meaning of the word
> > "problems").
> 
> It is not necessary to show that a non-obvious assertion with no
> rationale is irrational. The only appropriate response to a
> disconnected assertion, such as the one he introduced, is to assert
> that it is wrong and indicate the correct one. Anything less is to
> encourage the propagation of an incorrect meme; anything more is a
> waste of time. Anybody who is interested in discussing the issue will
> then proceed to discuss it; anybody who is not will demonstrate this
> fact in a fairly obvious manner (around here, usually denoted by
> pointless rants and ad-hominem arguments), several examples of which
> can be seen in this thread.

Because, as we all know, trimming the rationale and the examples given of
why there is an issue renders the assertion both non-obvious and without
rationale.

I stand in awe of your techniques. You're quite sure you won't be running
for a US Congressional seat sometime soon?
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Re: eleventh-hour transition for mysql-using packages related to apache

2005-01-28 Thread sean finney
On Fri, Jan 28, 2005 at 04:36:05PM +0100, Andreas Metzler wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 28, 2005 at 05:03:26AM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote:
> [...] 
> > Over the past six months, the situation has changed significantly.  The
> > mysql maintainer, mysql upstream, and others have admirably worked through
> > the license issues to get a license exception that meets the needs of the
> > software that Debian distributes.  You can find the current version of this
> > license exception at [1].
> 
> At a short glance this still seems to be missing a OpenSSL exception.
> - Has this been resolved?

no, afaik the openssl-related code in debian mysql-foo is disabled[1].
not that i wouldn't mind having it back...


sean

[1] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=291945

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Re: eleventh-hour transition for mysql-using packages related to apache

2005-01-28 Thread Andreas Metzler
On 2005-01-28 sean finney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 28, 2005 at 04:36:05PM +0100, Andreas Metzler wrote:
> > On Fri, Jan 28, 2005 at 05:03:26AM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote:
> > [...] 
> > > Over the past six months, the situation has changed
> > > significantly.  The mysql maintainer, mysql upstream, and others
> > > have admirably worked through the license issues to get a
> > > license exception that meets the needs of the software that
> > > Debian distributes.  You can find the current version of this
> > > license exception at [1].
 
> > At a short glance this still seems to be missing a OpenSSL exception.
> > - Has this been resolved?

> no, afaik the openssl-related code in debian mysql-foo is disabled[1].
[...]

This seems to break the whole plan. A nontrivial number of packages
need to link against libmysqlclient* _and_ libssl. If libmysql12's
license does not allow that, we are screwed.

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ grep-available -FDepends libmysqlclient10 | grep-dctrl  
-FDepends  -sPackage -n libssl
perdition-mysql
dovecot-common
caudium-php4
sqlrelay-mysql
motion
pure-ftpd-mysql
proftpd-mysql
gnugk

And these are just direct linkages against both libraries, there's
also a lot of bar depends on both libmysqlclient10 and libbar and
libbar itself links against libssl. - I never remember whether we
actually (have to) respect indirect linkage like that license-wise but
judging from cadaver I guess we do.
cu andreas
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Build-Depends: libmysqlclient-dev and buildds

2005-01-28 Thread Santiago Vila
The recent announce from Steve has reminded me of something I wanted
to ask about the package name change from libmysqlclient-dev to
libmysqlclient12-dev made in November:

Do packages still having "Build-Depends: libmysqlclient-dev" build
from source? Trying "apt-get build-dep" on them results on apt-get
being undecided about which libmysqlclient-dev to install.

Do buildds handle this gracefully?


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Bug#292643: ITP: cl-s-xml -- simple Common Lisp XML parser

2005-01-28 Thread D. Starner
> This XML parser implementation has the following limitations:
>  * It does not support CDATA.
>  * Only supports simple character sets.

What do you mean, "simple" character sets? What's the difference
between a simple character set and a complex character set?
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Re: eleventh-hour transition for mysql-using packages related to apache

2005-01-28 Thread Steve Langasek
On Fri, Jan 28, 2005 at 08:17:18PM +0100, Andreas Metzler wrote:
> On 2005-01-28 sean finney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Fri, Jan 28, 2005 at 04:36:05PM +0100, Andreas Metzler wrote:
> > > On Fri, Jan 28, 2005 at 05:03:26AM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote:
> > > [...] 
> > > > Over the past six months, the situation has changed
> > > > significantly.  The mysql maintainer, mysql upstream, and others
> > > > have admirably worked through the license issues to get a
> > > > license exception that meets the needs of the software that
> > > > Debian distributes.  You can find the current version of this
> > > > license exception at [1].

> > > At a short glance this still seems to be missing a OpenSSL exception.
> > > - Has this been resolved?

> > no, afaik the openssl-related code in debian mysql-foo is disabled[1].
> [...]

> This seems to break the whole plan. A nontrivial number of packages
> need to link against libmysqlclient* _and_ libssl. If libmysql12's
> license does not allow that, we are screwed.

> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ grep-available -FDepends libmysqlclient10 | grep-dctrl  
> -FDepends  -sPackage -n libssl
> perdition-mysql
> dovecot-common
> caudium-php4
> sqlrelay-mysql
> motion
> pure-ftpd-mysql
> proftpd-mysql
> gnugk

Of these packages, the only one that was on the list of packages that need
to transition together is caudium-php4.  The php4 source package is also due
for a reorg to enable ZTS, which will remove the need for statically
building the mysql extension into this package; if we need to make this
change at the same time as the mysql transition, then so be it.

The only other package in your list that was mentioned at all in my email
is dovecot-common, which is only loosely coupled with the others as a result
of libpam/nss-mysql and libsasl2-modules-sql.

> And these are just direct linkages against both libraries, there's
> also a lot of bar depends on both libmysqlclient10 and libbar and
> libbar itself links against libssl. - I never remember whether we
> actually (have to) respect indirect linkage like that license-wise but
> judging from cadaver I guess we do.

This affects the PHP packages, since all the SAPI alternatives that
php4-mysql can use currently link against libssl.  I'll need to investigate
more to see if we can get away from this; even if it means dropping the PHP
OpenSSL extension, I think it's probably still a good trade.

It also seems to affect libapache2-mod-auth-mysql, since apache2 includes
https support by default.  I don't see any way to fix this one.

I don't see any other packages in the list that are likely to have this
problem, although I haven't traced the dependencies to be sure.

That leaves us with several choices:

- ignore libapache2-mod-auth-mysql for the transition, and hope the actual
  incidence of segfaults from intersecting libraries is low.
- push symbol versioning into libmysqlclient10 and libmysqlclient12, and
  break up the transition
- cajole upstream into adding OpenSSL to the list of license exceptions
- ship sarge with a broken myodbc package

Of course, I would in any case delay the transition until we can decide on a
way forward from here.

Comments?

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Re: library packaging doc...

2005-01-28 Thread Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña
On Fri, Jan 28, 2005 at 11:03:23PM +0900, Junichi Uekawa wrote:
> I need three things
> 
> 1. Is result of DDP packaged in Debian as a batch?

No (but could be done :-)

> 2. does it support docbook sgml/xml?

CVS supports anything, automatic builds do support Docbook (you have sample 
Xml Makefiles in the 'xml-sgml-policy', 'repository-howto' and 
'distribute-deb' repositories.

> 3. can I get commit-access to CVS?

Sure, any DD can get that access check out http://www.debian.org/doc/cvs

Regards

Javier


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Re: apply to NM? ha!

2005-01-28 Thread Russell Coker
On Tuesday 25 January 2005 11:26, Helen Faulkner 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I do not believe that being thick-skinned enough to cope with people who
> are very agressive or insulting should be a requirement for involvement
> in Debian.  Sadly, it seems to me that this is effectively the case.
> Shouldn't we be more interested in someone's technical skills, and their
> ability to work well with others?

What makes you think that Debian is unique in this regard?  Have you never 
been to a conference dinner where Rusty's flame collection is on display?

For those of you who don't know Rusty has a fine collection of flames (and 
other silly messages) written to some very skillful Linux programmers.  You 
can write excellent code and be nice and still get flamed a lot.  This is 
just something you have to deal with.

Children have problems with this sort of thing, adults are supposed to be able 
to deal with it.

Anyone who can't deal with being flamed should not be permitted to drive a 
car.  Other drivers will do offensive things, if you can't deal with it then 
you can't drive safely and are a threat to the life of everyone on the road.

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Re: apply to NM? ha!

2005-01-28 Thread Russell Coker
On Tuesday 25 January 2005 12:21, Helen Faulkner 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  From the point of view of behaviour in Debian lists that is
> intimidating to newcomers and especially people who are shy or not very
> thick-skinned, the most troubling post to this thread, in my opinion,

The most shy person I know is a regular contributor to this list.

I don't think that the word "shy" really makes sense when discussing ability 
to deal with flames on the net.  You just need to be able to ignore flames or 
be combative enough to fight fire with fire.

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Re: apply to NM? ha!

2005-01-28 Thread Russell Coker
On Monday 24 January 2005 21:01, "SR, ESC" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> and don't bother replying, i've unsubbed from this list. get on with
> your lives and ignore this if you can't/won't deal with it - i don't
> want to deal with people that will waste my time for their petty little
> politics.

On Tuesday 25 January 2005 14:45, "SR, ESC" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> good bye.

On Tuesday 25 January 2005 11:59, "SR, ESC" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> to answer some of the people attacking my character - as it seems to
> me they're doing - i work well with people, you have a problem with
> it? tough. judging a person based on a reaction and having had
> enough of crap from people is no way to judge someone. i barely post
> here, how dare you exclude me based on a raving rant like i did? i see
> many people rant, if you were to exclude people based on that, you
> would've excluded them already. reading some of the replies it just
> gets me pissed off all over again, and wanting to rant. get a clue.

Clearly you haven't unsubscribed from the list so you can't have been that 
offended.

If you want to change your attitude then there's a possibility of joining 
Debian at some later date.  Just try and keep the rants to a minority of your 
posts.

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Re: origins of the Debian logo

2005-01-28 Thread Hanspeter Kunz
On Fri, 2004-12-31 at 15:18 +0100, Hanspeter Kunz wrote:
> On Thu, 2004-12-30 at 18:01 +0100, martin f krafft wrote:
> > Hi all!
> > 
> > In the process of completion of my book (http://debianbook.info),
> > I have one more question. Unfortunately, I am on a shitty GSM link
> > right now and the available (crippled) means of research have not
> > been able to produce an answer to the following:
> > 
> > Where does the Debian Swirl come from?
> > What does it try to symbolise?
> 
> Was (partly) answered on debian-user some days ago:
> 
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/12/msg03402.html
>

After digging a bit more, I found the following post:

http://lists.userlinux.com/pipermail/discuss/2004-March/004625.html

--- I quote: -

It's "magic smoke". Electrical engineer lore is that when you burn out 
an electronic component, you cause the "magic smoke" that makes it work 
to be released. Once the magic smoke is gone, the component doesn't work 
any longer. Debian is supposed to be the magic smoke that makes your 
computer work.

Thanks

Bruce [Perens]

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Shouldn't this explanation go to www.debian.org/logos/ ?

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