Re: ximiam connector

[Michael Banck]

On Fri, Jun 27, 2003 at 07:56:02PM +0200, Jim Mintha wrote:
> However at the moment red-carpet doesn't seem to work.  Also the
> sources line above doesn't seem to work either.  The line:
> deb http://trumpetti.atm.tut.fi/ximian/debian woody main
> but that doesn't get you the connector.  

I've read that Ximian has dropped Debian support, so this might be a
permanent problem, dunno.


Michael

Re: Bug#198158: architecture i386 isn't i386 anymore

[David B Harris]

On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 18:17:57 +0200
Karsten Merker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I think ports to other kernels are generally worthwhile in and of
> > themselves, simply for cleaning up the codebase and getting rid of
> > unportable stuff.
> > 
> > It's just plain old healthy is all. The previous comment about it was
> > just meant in an informative manner is all. (I've never heard of a
> > "Turbochannel" machine either, so I won't bother looking into it.)
> 
> TurboChannel is a 32bit bus system used in Digital Equipment systems like
> the MIPS-based DECstation series and the Alpha-based DEC 3000 series. The
> former (at least some models) is supported by Linux/MIPS (and Debian/MIPS)
> as well as by NetBSD/OpenBSD, the latter is only supported by *BSD.

Thanks :)


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Re: Attn: Mass bug filing: libtool requires updating

[Christian Surchi]

On Mon, Jun 30, 2003 at 06:02:29PM +0200, Lucio wrote:
> Hi everybody!
> I am an Italian security admin, and I can progam in c /c++ / java.
> I like very much debian, so i would like to start helping the project.
> I would like to partecipate to development, is there someone I could help?
> I would prefer to work on network/security issues.
> Thanks for attention
> Giorgio Luciani

http://www.debian.org/devel/

;-)

-- 
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www.debian.org - www.softwarelibero.it - www.firenze.linux.it| 38374818
Numeric stability is probably not all that important when you're guessing.

Re: [VAC] June 9 - August 30 [UPDATE]

[Miles Bader]

Daniel Burrows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> The contract they gave me assigns copyright to any computer code I
> write this summer to NASA; since it's only for 2.5 months, I didn't
> bother making a fuss about it.

I understand your not making a fuss, but I think an offhand gripe or two
to your manager is always a good thing, just so they sense a change in
the vibe, if enough people do it...

-Miles
-- 
[|nurgle|]  ddt- demonic? so quake will have an evil kinda setting? one that
will  make every christian in the world foamm at the mouth?
[iddt]  nurg, that's the goal

Re: but I want the GNU versions of packages

[Joshua Kwan]

On Mon, Jun 30, 2003 at 10:01:43PM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote:
> Then they have no business using awk.

Idealism goes farther than you'd think...

-Josh

-- 
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-- Samuel Johnson



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Re: but I want the GNU versions of packages

[Dan Jacobson]

> what's the point? Surely you want the best, not necessarily the GNU
> version (which might be an incredibly bleeding-edge pre-alpha thing,
> like for example mailutils was not so long ago)?

OK, let's just say I like the GNU guys and would like them to know if
there are any bugs in their stuff, otherwise how will it improve?

And mawk: development halted years ago.  Wouldn't any awk bugs I find
be better reported for gawk?

So, how does one find the rest of the packages on one's system that
"Conflicts:" with genuine GNU alternative packages.

>From the tone of your message, I bet there are lots that you fellows
have pre-chosen for us new debian users.  So far I have discovered
mawk, and mailx.  So, out with it, what are the rest?

Re: Bug#198957: ITP: email -- Send email from command line, either via MTA or SMTP, with optional encryption

[Millis Miller]

Thanks for the comment - I have already abandoned this ITP.

Millis

On Tue, 2003-07-01 at 02:42, Miles Bader wrote:
> Lukas Geyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > I am not really sure that "email" satisfies this criterion. Maintaining
> > non-free packages is a hassle, it might be easier to write a free
> > replacement in the time saved by messing around with non-free packages
> > and getting special Debian redistribution permissions.
> 
> Yeah, and then you could use a less stupid name for it too.
> 
> -Miles
-- 
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GnuPG Key ID: 0x7C42934F
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Re: debootstrapping and sysvinit

[Miquel van Smoorenburg]

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Tobias Wolter  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On 2003-06-29T12:40:56+ (Sunday), Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote:
>
>> Yes, NMUing essential packages without bothering to contact the
>> maintainer is cooperation at work. NOT.
>
>Between pissing off a maintainer and leaving a not-so-insignificant
>part of Debian quite utterly broken, I'd go for the former.

We're talking about unstable here. Read the developers reference,
http://www.debian.org/doc/developers-reference/ch-pkgs.en.html
paragraph 5.11.3, under

Uploading bug fixes to unstable by non-maintainers should
only be done by following this protocol:



Now, did the NMU follow the rules in the developers reference ?

Mike.

Re: Windows macro virus

[Branden Robinson]

On Mon, Jun 30, 2003 at 09:07:25PM +1000, Matthew Palmer wrote:
> That's odd, because debian-devel@lists.debian.org is a mailing list run on a
> Debian GNU/Linux machine, which is immune to windows macro virii.

You *do* realize that saying "virii" is a guaranteed method of summoning
Thomas Bushnell, right?

-- 
G. Branden Robinson| Suffer before God and ye shall be
Debian GNU/Linux   | redeemed.  God loves us, so He
[EMAIL PROTECTED] | makes us suffer Christianity.
http://people.debian.org/~branden/ | -- Aaron Dunsmore


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db.debian.org

[Michael Koch]

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Hi list,


Is db.debian.org gone into nirvana ? 

[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~> host db.debian.org
db.debian.org has address 209.249.97.234
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~> ping -c 4 db.debian.org
PING db.debian.org (209.249.97.234) 56(84) bytes of data.

- --- db.debian.org ping statistics ---
4 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 3054ms

[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~>

Connections with webbrowser fails too. Can someone please notify its 
admin ?


Michael
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Bug#199518: ITP: libcommons-lang-java -- Extension of the java.lang package

[Arnaud Vandyck]

Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist

* Package name: libcommons-lang-java
  Version : 1.0.1
  Upstream Authors: Christopher Elkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Daniel Rall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Ed Korthof <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Fredrik Westermarck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Greg Coladonato <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Henri Yandell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Janek Bogucki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
John McNally <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Jon S. Stevens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Kasper Nielsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Nissim Karpenstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Rafal Krzewski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Rand McNeely <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Ringo De Smet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Sean C. Sullivan,
Stephen Colebourne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Steve Downey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Steven Caswell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>. 
* URL or Web page : http://jakarta.apache.org/commons/lang/
* License : The Apache Software License, Version 1.1
  Description : Extension of the java.lang package

-- Arnaud Vandyck, STE fi, ULg
   Formateur Cellule Programmation.


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Bug#199524: ITP: libcommons-validator-java -- Ease and speed development and maintenance of validation rules

[Arnaud Vandyck]

Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist

* Package name: libcommons-validator-java
  Version : 1.0.2
  Upstream Authors: David Winterfeldt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Craig McClanahan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
James Turner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Martin Cooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>. 
* URL or Web page : http://jakarta.apache.org/commons/validator/
* License : The Apache Software License, Version 1.1
  Description : Ease and speed development and maintenance of validation 
rules

-- Arnaud Vandyck, STE fi, ULg
   Formateur Cellule Programmation.


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Re: Attn: Mass bug filing: libtool requires updating

[Jose Carlos Garcia Sogo]

El día 30 jun 2003, christophe barbe escribía:
> On Sun, Jun 29, 2003 at 07:52:57PM +0100, Scott James Remnant wrote:

[...]

> > Newer versions of libtool instead use a much better checking method,
> > however the following source packages have not updated (list obtained by
> > grepping mips and mipsel build logs for the warning).
> > 
> > gphoto
> 
> gphoto has been removed from unstable and will not be in the next stable
> release.
 
 Why gphoto2 is still called that way? Shouldn't it be gphoto?

-- 
  Jose Carlos Garcia Sogo
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]


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Re: [VAC] June 9 - August 30 [UPDATE]

[Jose Carlos Garcia Sogo]

El día 30 jun 2003, Daniel Burrows escribía:
>   Just an update--
> 
>   As I mentioned previously, I am working for NASA over the summer.  The
> contract they gave me assigns copyright to any computer code I write
> this summer to NASA; since it's only for 2.5 months, I didn't bother

  WHAT???

  I could understan this if you write that code in NASA computers
  (though only in part), but if you write that in your home and that's
  legal, I honestly think that you need to change your country in more
  things than I thought before.

  When will they loan you the air you breath?

-- 
  Jose Carlos Garcia Sogo
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]


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Re: Bug#198957: ITP: email -- Send email from command line, either via MTA or SMTP, with optional encryption

[Miles Bader]

Lukas Geyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I am not really sure that "email" satisfies this criterion. Maintaining
> non-free packages is a hassle, it might be easier to write a free
> replacement in the time saved by messing around with non-free packages
> and getting special Debian redistribution permissions.

Yeah, and then you could use a less stupid name for it too.

-Miles
-- 
`Life is a boundless sea of bitterness'

Re: but I want the GNU versions of packages

[Miles Bader]

David B Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> A fair numbe rof those apps you probably want were implemented in Debian
> before GNU made their own versions - install-info(8) is one of the ones
> most often griped about.

Careful... mentioning this issue invariably seems to generate all kind
of bile from the dpkg maintainers.

-miles
-- 
[|nurgle|]  ddt- demonic? so quake will have an evil kinda setting? one that
will  make every christian in the world foamm at the mouth?
[iddt]  nurg, that's the goal

Re: but I want the GNU versions of packages

[Miles Bader]

Mathieu Roy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> It proves that the user interface of gawk is more friendly, nothing
> more. 

Yeah; the thing about mawk is that it's a great little program, fairly
robust and wicked fast -- much faster than gawk for things I do -- but
the last time I checked, it hadn't really been maintained for years and
years.

-Miles
-- 
`The suburb is an obsolete and contradictory form of human settlement'

Re: but I want the GNU versions of packages

[Miles Bader]

Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Then they have no business using awk.

???  Awk is very friendly (friendlier than perl anyway).

-Miles
-- 
自らを空にして、心を開く時、道は開かれる

Debian job board?

[Will Newton]

Is there any place where someone could advertise jobs that would be suitable 
for Debian developers?

Re: but I want the GNU versions of packages

[Martijn van Oosterhout]

On Tue, Jul 01, 2003 at 10:55:44AM +0800, Dan Jacobson wrote:
> >From the tone of your message, I bet there are lots that you fellows
> have pre-chosen for us new debian users.  So far I have discovered
> mawk, and mailx.  So, out with it, what are the rest?

Umm, I don't really think there was a lot of design in this. When it came to
set up the initial base system years ago, someone picked one over the other.
Maybe it was an accident, maybe it was the first version that came to mind.
Maybe the GNU version wasn't even packaged yet.

If you think there is a compelling reason to change and can show that gawk
and mawk are 100% compatable, maybe it can be worked on. But it seems most
people don't really care.

-- 
Martijn van Oosterhout  http://svana.org/kleptog/
> "the West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or
> religion but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence.
> Westerners often forget this fact, non-Westerners never do."
>   - Samuel P. Huntington


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RE: Movie

[Celtic Car Rental]

If you didn't know you sent me this email, you have a virus. 



-Original Message-
From: debian-devel@lists.debian.org
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 01 July 2003 14:36
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Movie


Please see the attached zip file for details.

Re: Bug#199518: ITP: libcommons-lang-java -- Extension of the java.lang package

[Adam Heath]

On Tue, 1 Jul 2003, Arnaud Vandyck wrote:

>   Description : Extension of the java.lang package

And?

Re: Bug#199524: ITP: libcommons-validator-java -- Ease and speed development and maintenance of validation rules

[Adam Heath]

On Tue, 1 Jul 2003, Arnaud Vandyck wrote:

>   Description : Ease and speed development and maintenance of validation 
> rules

And?

samosa (aka db.debian.org) problems

[James Troup]

Hi,

As many of you will have already noticed samosa is down and has been
for a while.  Unfortunately the machine is in a bad way - the
motherboard just beeps constantly when the machine's powered on.

The local admin has taken it out of it's rack and home with him to try
and fix it.  However even if samosa is completely dead, it's not a
major problem since, as it happens, this coincides nicely with a
planned upgrade of the hardware and the new box was due to be sent out
shortly anyway.

-- 
James

[I'll send something like this to d-d-a when I can get hold of a
 listmaster; bit of a chicken/egg problem trying to post to d-d-a
 about db.d.o being down... ;)]

Debconf or not debconf

[Julien LEMOINE]

Hello,

I received a bug report on stunnel package from an user [1] that 
complained
about the fact that I didn't warning about the new /etc/default/stunnel file
introduced in package (thereis a note in README.Debian and in changelog).

Since debconf is not really appreciated for this use, what is the best
solution ? Inform users with debconf or give them informations only in
changelog and README.Debian ?

Best Regards.
--
Julien LEMOINE / SpeedBlue

Re: db.debian.org

[Martin Schulze]

Michael Koch wrote:
> Is db.debian.org gone into nirvana ? 
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~> host db.debian.org
> db.debian.org has address 209.249.97.234
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~> ping -c 4 db.debian.org
> PING db.debian.org (209.249.97.234) 56(84) bytes of data.
> 
> --- db.debian.org ping statistics ---
> 4 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 3054ms
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~>
> 
> Connections with webbrowser fails too. Can someone please notify its 
> admin ?

That's already done.  Not sure when it'll be up again, though.

Regards,

Joey

-- 
Those who don't understand Unix are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.

Please always Cc to me when replying to me on the lists.

Re: but I want the GNU versions of packages

[Lukas Geyer]

Dan Jacobson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> So, how does one find the rest of the packages on one's system that
> "Conflicts:" with genuine GNU alternative packages.
> 
> From the tone of your message, I bet there are lots that you fellows
> have pre-chosen for us new debian users.  So far I have discovered
> mawk, and mailx.  So, out with it, what are the rest?

Why don't you look for them yourself? Some people have more important
things to do with their time, even if it is hard to imagine what would
be more important than this...

Lukas

Re: Bug#197886: make still broken after 12 days

[Manoj Srivastava]

On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 10:07:12 -0500, Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: 

> On Mon, Jun 30, 2003 at 09:27:20AM -0500, Adam Heath wrote:
>> On Mon, 30 Jun 2003, Samium Gromoff wrote:

>> >I`ll proceed in the time order of events:
>> >
>> > Tue, 17 Jun 2003 15:52:38 +0400:
>> >I`ve produced a testcase for make which causes it to
>> >bail out with a
>> > *** Virtual memory exhausted. Stop
>> >message on a perfectly valid, sane and real-world Makefile.
>> > link:
>> > http://mail.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-make/2003-06/msg00026.html
>> >
>> > Tue, 17 Jun 2003 09:22:22 -0400
>> >The respective GNU make maintainer replied to me with
>> >a short message,
>> > which could be reduced to the following quote: "This is a known
>> > bug that has been fixed in the source for a while" link:
>> > http://mail.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-make/2003-06/msg00027.html
>> >I forwarded that reply to the Debian Make Maintainer:
>> >[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >
>> > Wed, 18 Jun 2003 14:12:31 +0400
>> >I`ve submitted a Bug into the Debian bugtracking
>> >system, which has
>> > received a number #197886.  link:
>> > http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=197886
>> >
>> > now, after ~12 days the bug was reported, make is still broken.

Yes, it is. And it shall remain broken until I have time to
 determine where the patch is (105 bug reports about make on
 savannah), examine it, build a new make, and test it. 

I may have time to do this this weekend, but then, since this
 is the 4rth of July weekend coming up, I may not.

manoj
-- 
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noticable to observers with peripheral vision after they subtract the
public sector, conglomerates, federally supported agriculture,
monopolies, duopolies, and oligopolies.  -- Bernard Rosenberg
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Re: [VAC] June 9 - August 30 [UPDATE]

[Daniel Burrows]

On Tue, Jul 01, 2003 at 12:15:10AM +0200, Jose Carlos Garcia Sogo <[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]> was heard to say:
> El día 30 jun 2003, Daniel Burrows escribía:
> >   Just an update--
> > 
> >   As I mentioned previously, I am working for NASA over the summer.  The
> > contract they gave me assigns copyright to any computer code I write
> > this summer to NASA; since it's only for 2.5 months, I didn't bother
> 
>   WHAT???
> 
>   I could understan this if you write that code in NASA computers
>   (though only in part), but if you write that in your home and that's
>   legal, I honestly think that you need to change your country in more
>   things than I thought before.

  I think that's pretty standard in employment contracts these days.  My
impression is that the broad language is mostly due to laziness (both of
the employer, who obviously benefits from spending less time working out
the details of who-owns-what, and of the average employee, who isn't
going to complain about it)

  My contract with Penn State originally had a similar clause, but I
made a fuss until they wrote an amendment exempting non-PSU projects.  I
didn't feel like going to the trouble here, since it's just for the
summer.  (also, I should probably get away from the computer and explore
San Fransisco from time to time :) )

  Theoretically, of course, code from both places should be
public-domain, but my trust in public institutions is not at an all-time
high, especially at NASA, where a lot of code is t0P-5ekr3t due to
"security concerns", export control, etc.   Obviously, nothing I'd work
on for Debian would be particularly classified, but the knee-jerk
reaction here seems to be to control information unless there's a good
reason not to.

  Daniel

-- 
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|Any sufficiently advanced magic is indistinguishable from technology.|
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Re: debootstrapping and sysvinit

[Tollef Fog Heen]

*  (Miquel van Smoorenburg)


[...]

| Now, did the NMU follow the rules in the developers reference ?

aj opened[1] the bug hunting season last year.. it hasn't closed yet.

(sure, waldi could have put the NMU in delayed..)

[1] 
http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2002/debian-devel-announce-200201/msg00014.html

-- 
Tollef Fog Heen,''`.
UNIX is user friendly, it's just picky about who its friends are  : :' :
  `. `' 
`-  

Re: but I want the GNU versions of packages

[Joshua Kwan]

On Tue, Jul 01, 2003 at 10:55:44AM +0800, Dan Jacobson wrote:
> OK, let's just say I like the GNU guys and would like them to know if
> there are any bugs in their stuff, otherwise how will it improve?

If you are genuinely interested, you will seek these packages out.
Debian cannot diversify to every single person's taste. They are all
in the archive.

> And mawk: development halted years ago.  Wouldn't any awk bugs I find
> be better reported for gawk?

mawk is faster. Through the maintainer, we are able to continue some
form of development, by providing patches, etc. Would you like to
complain about cron, too, which is at Debian release -74 because Paul
Vixie is no longer interested in keeping it up to scratch? It's patched
to the gills by a very competent package maintainer.

I see no reason to use a slower gawk when mawk will do. Are you just
idealistically motivated to hound Debian developers because we're not
all Richard Stallmans?

Rather than bitching on and on, if you really think you have a case
to present about providing a 'gnu' task or something, you should start
being useful to the Debian community. So far you've done absolutely
nothing, and the respect I didn't have for you is already plummeting
below zero.

> So, how does one find the rest of the packages on one's system that
> "Conflicts:" with genuine GNU alternative packages.
> 
> From the tone of your message, I bet there are lots that you fellows
> have pre-chosen for us new debian users.  So far I have discovered
> mawk, and mailx.  So, out with it, what are the rest?

grep-available -e -FPriority \(standard\|required\) -s Package

for a general idea, and poke around in /usr/share/doc to see what is
*gasp* not GPLed.. Knock yourself out. Your tone insinuates that Debian
is a well kept secret, and all you do is sit on your ass and complain
about what you are not willing to easily find out about.

Remember, if you are so explodingly keen to use an entirely GNU system,
I recommend the Hurd especially for you.

Regards,
Josh

-- 
A man may be so much of everything that he is nothing of anything.
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Re: Debian job board?

[Sven Luther]

On Tue, Jul 01, 2003 at 12:28:01PM +0100, Will Newton wrote:
> 
> Is there any place where someone could advertise jobs that would be suitable 
> for Debian developers?

Rapahel Hertzog spoke about something such some time back, when i looked
at it back then, it was still empty, but it was some month ago.

Check the mailing list archives for it.

Friendly,

Sven Luther

Re: db.debian.org

[Rene Engelhard]

Hi,

Michael Koch wrote:
> Connections with webbrowser fails too. Can someone please notify its 
> admin ?

They already know...

Grüße/Regards,

René
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Re: [VAC] June 9 - August 30 [UPDATE]

[Branden Robinson]

On Tue, Jul 01, 2003 at 12:15:10AM +0200, Jose Carlos Garcia Sogo wrote:
>   WHAT???
> 
>   I could understan this if you write that code in NASA computers
>   (though only in part), but if you write that in your home and that's
>   legal, I honestly think that you need to change your country in more
>   things than I thought before.
> 
>   When will they loan you the air you breath?

Apparently you missed the memo when the name of the country was changed
to the Corporate States of America.

What you describe has already happened.  The "right" to pollute the air
that people breathe is already bought and sold like a commodity in the
U.S.

http://www.bizjournals.com/sacramento/stories/2003/04/21/story8.html

-- 
G. Branden Robinson|
Debian GNU/Linux   |  Ignorantia judicis est calamitas
[EMAIL PROTECTED] |  innocentis.
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Bug#199612: ITP: minido -- A simple, generic, multi-user, database free todo list manager / tracking system written in GTK2

[francesco levorato]

Package: wnpp
Version: unavailable; reported 2003-07-01
Severity: wishlist

 Package name: minido
 Version : 0.3-1
 Upstream Author : Michael Opdenacker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 URL : http://michaelo.free.fr/minido/
 License : GPL
 Description : A simple, generic, multi-user, database free todo list 
manager / tracking system written in GTK2
 A simple, generic, multi-user, database free todo list manager/tracking system 
written in GTK2.
 Though Minido is still very young, it already give a key competitive advantage 
to major industry players like Texas Instruments... Like TI, leverage this new 
paradigm to proactively re-engineer your core processes and drive cross 
functional empowerment!

-- System Information:
Debian Release: testing/unstable
Architecture: i386
Kernel: Linux lll 2.4.18-bf2.4 #1 Son Apr 14 09:53:28 CEST 2002 i686
Locale: LANG=C, LC_CTYPE=C

Re: debootstrapping and sysvinit

[Tobias Wolter]

On 2003-07-01T07:49:20+ (Tuesday), Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote:

> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Tobias Wolter  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On 2003-06-29T12:40:56+ (Sunday), Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote:
> >> Yes, NMUing essential packages without bothering to contact the
> >> maintainer is cooperation at work. NOT.
> > Between pissing off a maintainer and leaving a not-so-insignificant
> > part of Debian quite utterly broken, I'd go for the former.

> We're talking about unstable here.

We're also taking about automated package builders who've been broke here.

> Read the developers reference,
> http://www.debian.org/doc/developers-reference/ch-pkgs.en.html
> paragraph 5.11.3, under
>   Uploading bug fixes to unstable by non-maintainers should
   ^^
>   only be done by following this protocol:
>   
> Now, did the NMU follow the rules in the developers reference ?

No. From my point of view, it's an acceptable step out of bounds.

I still haven't seen any bugfix from you. How about you go stop
ranting about being treated unfair and DOING YOUR WORK?

-towo
-- 
We're Germans and we use Unix. That's a combination of two demographic
groups known to have no sense of humour whatsoever.
- Hanno Mueller in de.comp.os.unix.programming


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Re: inews path question

[Roger Leigh]

Vincent Zweije <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>>From the (admittedly years old) impression I got from inn, inews should be
> seen as the news injector (inject-news), corresponding to what sendmail
> is for mail, meant as a backend to other programs that allow you to
> post messages, but not supposed to be called directly by the end user.
> As such, the proper place would be /usr/sbin, or at least, it wouldn't
> need to go in /usr/bin.

If it's not meant to be invoked directly by a user, it should be put
in /usr/libexec/news/inews.  It's located under /usr/libexec on the
BSDs.

Hopefully, Debian Policy (and FHS) will allow the use of libexec some
day...


-- 
Roger Leigh

Printing on GNU/Linux?  http://gimp-print.sourceforge.net/
GPG Public Key: 0x25BFB848 available on public keyservers

Re: db.debian.org

[Martin Wuertele]

* Michael Koch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-07-01 16:20]:

> Is db.debian.org gone into nirvana ? 

20:43 -!- Topic for #debian-devel: FUCKED: XSF ViewCVS access, samosa (db), 
   ^^^
  gtkmm with new gcc | mailing lists still sluggish, but will return to 
  normal soonish | LT keysigning: 
  http://www.palfrader.org/ksp-lt2k3.html | try APT secure: 
  http://monk.debian.net/apt-secure/
 
yours Martin
-- 
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Re: Debconf or not debconf

[Adam Heath]

On Tue, 1 Jul 2003, Julien LEMOINE wrote:

> Hello,
>
>   I received a bug report on stunnel package from an user [1] that 
> complained
> about the fact that I didn't warning about the new /etc/default/stunnel file
> introduced in package (thereis a note in README.Debian and in changelog).
>
>   Since debconf is not really appreciated for this use, what is the best
> solution ? Inform users with debconf or give them informations only in
> changelog and README.Debian ?

debian/changelog

Re: Debconf or not debconf

[Artur R. Czechowski]

Hello


On Tue, Jul 01, 2003 at 05:12:22PM +0200, Julien LEMOINE wrote:
>   Since debconf is not really appreciated for this use, what is the best
> solution ? Inform users with debconf or give them informations only in
> changelog and README.Debian ?
Important changes should be announced to user during installation/upgrade.
Some of the packages complying with this tradition are: ssh, inn2.
Ssh doing it with debconf. Inn2 first did it echoing text from
{pre,post}inst scripts and waiting for user interaction, but now it also
uses a debconf. Big positive is ability to easy localization of debconf
templates. Those templates are available to translation
at http://ddtp.debian.org.

Regards
Artur
-- 
"#gaduly to jak wenezuelski serial. Nieważne, ile odcinków opuścisz
zawsze będziesz na czasie"
/Czesiu/

Re: Movie

[Corrin Lakeland]

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> If you didn't know you sent me this email, you have a virus.

Hi, thanks for your message.  We didn't send the mail, nor do we have a virus.  

A spammer is just pretending to be sending mail from us.  It appears to be 
very popular now -- a month ago it was discussed theoretically but didn't 
seem to happen, in the last week I think there have been at least a thousand 
faked.

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Re: but I want the GNU versions of packages

[Steve Langasek]

On Tue, Jul 01, 2003 at 10:55:44AM +0800, Dan Jacobson wrote:

> And mawk: development halted years ago.  Wouldn't any awk bugs I find
> be better reported for gawk?

What's an "awk bug"?  Why is it better to file it against gawk?  If mawk
is the implementation that has the bug, you should file it against
mawk; or against general if there are a substantial number of important
bugs in mawk that are fixed in gawk, justifying a swapping of package
priorities.  If you're just bitching because you want more GNU software,
you should really find something more productive to do with your time.

> From the tone of your message, I bet there are lots that you fellows
> have pre-chosen for us new debian users.

Duh.  What do you think a distro *is*?

Nitwit.

-- 
Steve Langasek
postmodern programmer


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Re: but I want the GNU versions of packages

[Mathieu Roy]

> If you think there is a compelling reason to change and can show that gawk
> and mawk are 100% compatable, maybe it can be worked on. But it seems most
> people don't really care.

Having bugs not fixed in 4 years (3 years even with a patch provided)
in the default awk provided by Debian seems questionable. 
http://bugs.debian.org/mawk

Note that several (most?) bugs/wishes reports for mawk (#158481,
#63843, #23001, #65617, #81487, #172774, #127293, #135614, #155659
- not counting merged reports) gawk is explicitely indicated as a
working alternative.  

Indeed, when mawk has been selected as the default awk for Debian,
there was surely good reasons (gawk not mature, gawk not existing,
whatever, it's not the point). Today, the situation seems different
(people well aware should make a statement on the list) and maybe it's
time to choose another awk as default for the next coming debian
release. 

Regards, 




-- 
Mathieu Roy
 
  Homepage:
http://yeupou.coleumes.org
  Not a native english speaker: 
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Re: but I want the GNU versions of packages

[James Troup]

Mathieu Roy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Having bugs not fixed in 4 years (3 years even with a patch
> provided)

Don't be such a disingenuous troll.  The patch for that _wishlist_ bug
has been there since April.  Not for 3 years.

-- 
James

Re: Bug#199524: ITP: libcommons-validator-java -- Ease and speed development and maintenance of validation rules

[Arnaud Vandyck]

Adam Heath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, 1 Jul 2003, Arnaud Vandyck wrote:
> 
> >   Description : Ease and speed development and maintenance of 
> > validation rules
> 
> And?

 The Commons Validator is a basic validation framework
 that lets you define validation rules for a JavaBean
 in an xml file.
 .
 Validation rules can be defined in an xml file which
 keeps them abstracted from JavaBean you are validating.
 .
 The library is needed by Tomcat4.
 .
 This is a part of the Apache Jakarta Project.
 Home: 

-- Arnaud Vandyck, STE fi, ULg
   Formateur Cellule Programmation.

Re: Windows macro virus

[Matthew Palmer]

On Tue, 1 Jul 2003, Branden Robinson wrote:

> On Mon, Jun 30, 2003 at 09:07:25PM +1000, Matthew Palmer wrote:
> > That's odd, because debian-devel@lists.debian.org is a mailing list run on a
> > Debian GNU/Linux machine, which is immune to windows macro virii.
> 
> You *do* realize that saying "virii" is a guaranteed method of summoning
> Thomas Bushnell, right?

I'll bear it in mind if I ever need to contact him urgently.  Is it his
secret call word or something (like "here, boy!" to a dog)?  


-- 
---
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Re: debootstrapping and sysvinit

[Theodore Ts'o]

Miquel,

It is certainly true that sysvinit is an important package, and as
such, it requires either frequent care and attention to deal with bugs
(and you have a lot[1] of open bugs against the sysvinit package).
For better or for worse, the release history of sysvinit has not been
one which has been characterized by "release early and often".

When I offered to help earlier (because I had an important e2fsprogs
bug that I couldn't close because it was blocked on a sysvinit bug),
you admitted that you were pretty busy these days.  Perhaps it would
be useful for you to accept help in the form of a co-maintainer for
the package?  Sysvinit is important enough that this might be
considered a good idea

- Ted

[1] 121 bugs, of which 56 are Important/Normal, and 61 are
minor/wishlist, and 4 are fixed/pending.

Re: Debconf or not debconf

[Tore Anderson]

* Julien LEMOINE

 >  I received a bug report on stunnel package from an user [1] that
 > complained about the fact that I didn't warning about the new
 > /etc/default/stunnel file introduced in package (thereis a note in
 > README.Debian and in changelog).
 >
 >  Since debconf is not really appreciated for this use, what is the
 > best solution ? Inform users with debconf or give them informations only
 > in changelog and README.Debian ?

  I'd say you stick it in debian/NEWS and leave it at that.

  If you're in doubt of whether or to use debconf for anything:  don't.
 Far too many packages has become far too loquacious of late, and the
 (mis)use of debconf seem to be misinterpreted as a carte blanche for
 doing so, unfortunately.

-- 
Tore Anderson

Re: debootstrapping and sysvinit

[Miquel van Smoorenburg]

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Tobias Wolter  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>No. From my point of view, it's an acceptable step out of bounds.

For me it isn't.

>I still haven't seen any bugfix from you. How about you go stop
>ranting about being treated unfair and DOING YOUR WORK?

And you think an attitude like this is going to make me work
harder? For *you* ?? Get real.

I had a -5 ready to go at about the same time I saw the NMU.
I was so annoyed I decided to let the issue go for a couple
of days. Cool down period. Now you start screaming. Great.
It's just what I wanted to avoid.

Mike.

Re: debootstrapping and sysvinit

[Anthony Towns]

On Tue, Jul 01, 2003 at 06:35:50PM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
> *  (Miquel van Smoorenburg)
> | Now, did the NMU follow the rules in the developers reference ?
> aj opened[1] the bug hunting season last year.. it hasn't closed yet.

While this is true, Bastian didn't actually follow even the lightweight NMU
policy there.

> [1] 
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2002/debian-devel-announce-200201/msg00014.html

Note in particular from that message:

]* A maintainer upload is better than a non-maintainer upload.

]   If the bug
] hasn't been filed yet, or the patch hasn't been sent to the bug,
] you almost certainly shouldn't be making an NMU... yet.

]  email
] [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a note that says "This bug can be fixed
] by applying this patch [...].

Any NMU that results in the maintainer being irritated is a bad
NMU. That doesn't necessarily stop it from also being a necessary NMU,
but irritating maintainers is something to avoid wherever possible.

There really isn't any reason to do an NMU without having first sent
the patch to the BTS (which will notify the maintainer), and for a bug
that's already been around a week without causing massive chaos, there
isn't really a reason no to give the maintainer a day or two to respond
to your patch before NMUing.

Cheers,
a "Be good to yourself, and to each other" j

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