Re: Do not touch l10n files

[Josef Spillner]

On Tuesday 20 May 2003 15:22, Theodore Ts'o wrote:
> (Of course, this still doesn't answer the question of whether anyone
> would ever want or use locale support to be enabled during the initial
> boot sequence, such that the boot messages come up in the local
> language)

You don't have a dad who cannot even pronounce kernel boot errors over the 
phone, right?

Seriously:
If today's operating systems are not designed to provide full 
internationalization, we should be ashamed of ourselves that we did not 
manage to design them as such.

If whatever genius wants to mandate message catalogs into /usr/..., he does 1) 
not understand the concepts of path hierarchies (/usr/local, /usr and / as an 
example), and 2) imposes further barriers on the deployment of fully 
internationalized systems.

To assume that system administrators must speak English is an arbitrary 
limitation. Who would want to use a system with limits like 64 command line 
arguments as a maximum, or a shared library chain limited to 2 dependencies?
Similar to the well-known 640kB comparison, those decisions will bring trouble 
in the future.
A system design should be as flexible as possible, and in the case of message 
catalogs, it's neither performance nor size that is hurt.

Each piece of software can have multiple interfaces, but the primary one 
should always be accessible to everyone.

Josef

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Bug#194123: ITP: sigcperl -- Helper library for the libsigc++ Perl bindings

[Michael Koch]

Package: wnpp
Version: unavailable; reported 2003-05-21
Severity: wishlist

* Package name: sigcperl
  Version : 0.2.0
  Upstream Author : Ron Steinke 
* URL : http://sigcperl.sourceforge.net/
* License : LGPL
  Description : Helper library for the libsigc++ Perl bindings

This is a helper library to create Perl bindings to the libsigc++ signal
library possible. It is intended to provide a mechanism for writing Perl
modules which wrap other C++ libraries using libsigc++.

-- System Information:
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Architecture: i386
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Re: Symlinking /usr/share/doc/ is not allowed

[Andreas Barth]

* Brian May ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030521 02:35]:
> On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 08:00:21PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote:
> > The policy vetoe to symlinking intends (in my interpretation) two
> > goals. One is to ensure that the licences don't "change" unintendidly.
> > This could e.g. happen if there is a global file called GPL, the
> > packages link there copyright statement to it, and the GPL-file is
> > incremented from GPL version 2 and later to GPL version 3 by just one
> > misbehaving program. The other is to make sure the copyright file is
> > always available. Both traps are avoided in the case where the
> > documentation directory is symlinked to the base packages directory.

> What if the user has version 1 of abc installed, and version 2
> of abc-doc installed, AND /usr/share/doc/abc-doc is a symlink to
> /usr/share/doc/abc, AND the copyright changed between version 1 and
> version 2?

It seems you didn't read my mail. I said "the second one depends on
=first-package-version". If a user really manages to install version 2
of the base-package and version 1 of the development package, in spite
of the fact that the development package depends on exactly the same
version as base package, he has to live with the results. A user with
root priviliges could always make a system unusable if doing too much
by hand. Also builing packages with the development package after that
will strongly fail, independed of the copyright notice.

On the other hand, if the second package is not marked to depend on
the same version, that would be a RC-bug that is to be fixed asap.
Please fill a bug report regarding wrong dependencies.


> Also I think it is worth pointing out in this circumstance that I
> may want to install abc-doc even though abc is not installed or is a
> different version (eg. to see what the package is like before installing
> it).

You can get that information with the changes file, or extract the
package in some subdirectory.


Cheers,
Andi
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Re: Problems linking to libdb3++

[Ulrich Eckhardt]

On Tuesday 20 May 2003 14:22, Andreas Tille wrote:
[snipped warning]
> I wanted to show this here to ask for opinions whether this is a bug in the
> libdb3++-dev header files.  I regard it not to be related to the problem
> but I think we should fix this anyway.  Should I file a wishlist bug report
> here?

Yes. The biggest problem is that  might mean something different 
than .

>   ~> g++ -Wno-deprecated -o conftest -g -O2   conftest.cc -ldb3_cxx
>   g++ -Wno-deprecated -o conftest -g -O2   conftest.cc -ldb3_cxx
>   /tmp/cc1tyWas.o(.text+0x17): In function `main':
>   /tmp/conftest.cc:6: undefined reference to `DbEnv::version(int*, int*,
> int*)' collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
>
> As I sais I have no idea what might went wrong here.  I tried this with
> g++-2.95, g++-3.2 and g++-3.3 und er testing and unstable systems.  I
> always got this strange message and I hope anybody could give me a hint
> which might solve the trouble.

hmmm, switching compilers around randomly is not a solution, especially if 
you're missing two of them that where at least temporarily in Debian: 3.0 and 
3.1 (I wont even talk about RH-crap like 2.96).

Make sure that your version of libdb++ was compiled with the proper compiler. 
You might also want to check that other programs still run with it.
Another point would be a compile-time option turning off (eeck!) 
namespace-support while compiling libdb++ (which would ask for a severe bug).
Lastly, find out where the broken and working libdb++s come from, esp that 
neither of them are out of date.

In case you couldn't find anything, sync your sources.list and 'apt-get 
install --reinstall libdb3++ libdb3++-dev g++ '. This wont really help 
finding the error though.

happy hacking
Ulrich Eckhardt

Bug#194125: ITP: sigc -- Perl bindings to the libsigc++ signal library

[Michael Koch]

Package: wnpp
Version: unavailable; reported 2003-05-21
Severity: wishlist

* Package name: sigc
  Version : 0.07
  Upstream Author : Ron Steinke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
* URL : http://sigcperl.sourceforge.net/
* License : LGPL
  Description : Perl bindings to the libsigc++ signal library

This module provides the Perl bindings to the libsigc++ signal library.
It is intended to provide a mechanism for writing Perl modules which wrap
other C++ libraries using libsigc++.

-- System Information:
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Architecture: i386
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Re: Constitutional amendment: Condorcet/Clone Proof SSD vote tallying

[Sven Luther]

On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 05:58:10PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> Scenario B:
> 
>   Consider the case where the quorum is 45, and there have been 
>  44 votes -- 23 for, 21 against. (Only one option on the ballot). I am
>  opposed to the option.
> 
>   At this point; under my version; I can express my opinions
>  with no fear of harming my candidate. Under your amendment; if I do
>  not vote; the vote is nullified. However, if I vote against the
>  option -- the option shall win!!

But you cannot know what the situation is, unless you have insider
knowledge, the votes are secrets, and the results published only after
the election is closed. 

Friendly,

Sven Luther

Re: Constitutional amendment: Condorcet/Clone Proof SSD vote tallying

[Matthias Urlichs]

Hi,

Sven Luther wrote:
> But you cannot know what the situation is, unless you have insider
> knowledge

A situation where a vote would be successful, but fail for lack of 
participation, often requires no insider knowledge at all to be recognizeable 
as such. In that situation, the opponents can make a vote fail simply by not 
voting.

Not good.

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Re: Constitutional amendment: Condorcet/Clone Proof SSD vote tallying

[Mark Brown]

On Wed, May 21, 2003 at 10:12:52AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:

> But you cannot know what the situation is, unless you have insider
> knowledge, the votes are secrets, and the results published only after
> the election is closed. 

This doesn't change the fact that there is a chance that by voting
you'll have an effect other than that which you'd intended.  It's a
fairly small chance but it's there.

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Re: Constitutional amendment: Condorcet/Clone Proof SSD vote tallying

[Sven Luther]

On Wed, May 21, 2003 at 11:09:43AM +0200, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
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> Hi,
> 
> Sven Luther wrote:
> > But you cannot know what the situation is, unless you have insider
> > knowledge
> 
> A situation where a vote would be successful, but fail for lack of 
> participation, often requires no insider knowledge at all to be recognizeable 
> as such. In that situation, the opponents can make a vote fail simply by not 
> voting.

If there is sucha lack of participation that even our low quorum
requirement is not meet, then is this a bad thing ?

Friendly,

Sven Luther

Re: Constitutional amendment: Condorcet/Clone Proof SSD vote tallying

[Matthias Urlichs]

Hi,

Sven Luther wrote:
> If there is such a lack of participation that even our low quorum
> requirement is not meet, then is this a bad thing ?

Yes -- because it encourages people not to vote in that situation.

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Re: Constitutional amendment: Condorcet/Clone Proof SSD vote tallying

[Nick Phillips]

On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 07:27:21PM -0400, Raul Miller wrote:

> Here, the vote(s) for B caused A to win.
> 
> Other examples are possible (for example: 19 ABD, 1 BDA).
> 
> > > To make your proposal work right, we'd need a separate quorum
> > > determination phase which is independent of the voting phase.
> > 
> > i fail to see that argument.
> 
> See above.


I don't believe that it's acceptable for an otherwise beaten option to
win due the the otherwise winning option being discarded due to a quorum
requirement, as John suggests might happen.

I also don't believe that it's acceptable to break the Monotonicity Criterion.

If a winning option would be discarded due to quorum requirements, then
I think the vote should probably be considered void.

Sorry I don't have time to make much more of a contribution than this.


Cheers,


Nick

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Re: Debian Wiki

[Simon Huggins]

Hiya Debian,

On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 03:24:54PM -0500, michael d. ivey wrote:
> I'm pleased to announce that Debian Wiki (http://wiki.debian.net) is
> back online, and should stay that way.
[..]

Am I missing something or is there no diff/version control functionality?
Does this mean there is no version control of pages or just that it's
hidden from users?

*looks*

Hmm, actually looking at the code it looks like there isn't any version
control at all.

Isn't this rather open to abuse then?

One of the advantages of wikis for me has been their resilience to
stupid attacks like people adding spam-type pictures/text to pages.
It's easy to undo these changes by going back to a previous version,
editting it and saving it over the top or just looking at the diff and
removing the spam content.  And being able to access the diffs directly
from RecentChanges has always been of great use to be in moderating
content for such attacks.

Is this a change which will occur soon in Kwiki?  If not might you be
better off using something else?

For what it's worth, I'm using moin[0] which is easily extendable if you
know python though even though I didn't I managed to cobble some code
together for it.


Simon.

[0] moin.sf.net is the project pages and
http://twistedmatrix.com/users/jh.twistd/moin/moin.cgi/ is the real wiki

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avifile ready for transfer to testing?

[Andreas Metzler]

Hello,
Afaict after qt3 has entered testing avifile could go there
finally too:

| trying: avifile
| skipped: avifile (0 <- 241)
| got: 386+0: a-88:a-91:h-79:i-128
| * i386: avifile-xvid-plugin

which http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=avifile translates to:
| Checking avifile
| 
| avifile has no old version in testing (trying to add, not update) 
| avifile has unsatisifiable dependencies: avifile-xvid-plugin needs 
libxvidencore0 on i386 
| Adding avifile makes 1 packages uninstallable on i386: avifile-xvid-plugin

avifile-xvid-plugin is built from the same source, but is in contrib
(because libxvidencore0 is not available in Debian)

Is it illegitimate to have a source-package generate packages in main
and contrib or can't the testing scripts deal with it and should be
able to?
 cu andreas

Re: Constitutional amendment: Condorcet/Clone Proof SSD vote tallying

[Matthias Urlichs]

Hi,

Nick Phillips wrote:
> If a winning option would be discarded due to quorum requirements, then
> I think the vote should probably be considered void.

That seems to be the best choice.

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Bug#194155: ITP: ehnt -- Extreme Happy Netflow Tool - Obtains useful information out of netflow data

[Craig small]

Package: wnpp
Version: unavailable; reported 2003-05-21
Severity: wishlist

* Package name: ehnt
  Version : x.y.z
  Upstream Author : Name <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
* URL : http://www.some.org/
* License : (GPL, LGPL, BSD, MIT/X, etc.)
  Description : Extreme Happy Netflow Tool - Obtains useful information out 
of netflow data

(Include the long description here.)
The purpose of this software is to get some useful information from 
netflow without too much trouble.  The flow reports come out in text and
show flow summaries (such as top n ASes, protocols, etc per m minutes).
NetFlow is a packet protocol that is used by routers such as Cisco and
Juniper.

-- System Information:
Debian Release: testing/unstable
Architecture: i386
Kernel: Linux gonzo 2.4.20-xfs #1 Sat Mar 22 00:02:16 EST 2003 i686
Locale: LANG=C, LC_CTYPE=C

ITO packages: ntop, apt-show-source

[Dennis Schoen]

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Hi everybody,

as I've no longer time to properly maintain my packages I'm
searching for a new maintainer for:

Package: ntop
Description: display network usage in top-like format
 ntop is a Network Top program. It displays a summary of network
 usage by machines on your network in a format reminiscent of the
 unix top utility.
 .
 It can also be run in web mode, which allows the display to be
 browsed with a web browser.

- --> Some non-reproduceable bugs. Upstream is very responsive but
has some *uncommon* opinions about the build process.
Some knowledge in C and autoconf would be helpful.

Package: apt-show-source
Description: Shows source-package information
 This program parses the APT lists for source packages and the
 dpkg status file and then lists every package with a different
 version number than the one installed.
 It's very useful if your deb-src sources.list entries point to
 unstable and your deb entries point to stable.

- --> An easy perl program suitable for new-maintainers. If no one
volunteers I'll ask for removal.


The cgi-extratags-perl,dbix-cgi-perl and dbix-easy-perl will be
taken by Stefan Honburg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> who is also upstream
author.


Please contact me BEFORE uploading any package with changed
maintainer field.

Ciao
  Dennis
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Re: Debian conference in the US?

[Aaron M. Ucko]

Andreas Schuldei <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> What do we get from that sponsor? Conference rooms, network, accomodation,
> food, flights and tshirts?

His response:

} We would provide the conference facilities and try to get accomodations with
} some LUG members. There may be more, but I need to check what else we could
} provide.

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Re: Bug#194155: ITP: ehnt -- Extreme Happy Netflow Tool - Obtains useful information out of netflow data

[Paul Slootman]

On Wed 21 May 2003, Craig small wrote:
> 
> * Package name: ehnt
>   Version : x.y.z
>   Upstream Author : Name <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> * URL : http://www.some.org/
> * License : (GPL, LGPL, BSD, MIT/X, etc.)
>   Description : Extreme Happy Netflow Tool - Obtains useful information 
> out of netflow data
> 
> (Include the long description here.)

You might have made the effort of filling in the fields; I can't believe
the version is x.y.z, the upstream author is  Name <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
etc.  Especially the license...


Paul Slootman

Re: ITO packages: ntop, apt-show-source

[Jaldhar H. Vyas]

On Wed, 21 May 2003, Dennis Schoen wrote:

> Package: apt-show-source
> Description: Shows source-package information
>  This program parses the APT lists for source packages and the
>  dpkg status file and then lists every package with a different
>  version number than the one installed.
>  It's very useful if your deb-src sources.list entries point to
>  unstable and your deb entries point to stable.
>

I'd like to take this one.

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Re: Firebird 0.6

[Grzegorz B. Prokopski]

W liście z wto, 20-05-2003, godz. 05:52, Eric Dorland pisze: 
> Hi Everyone,
> 
> From the amount of mail I've gotten I guess people will be
> interested. I've uploaded mozilla-firebird_0.6-1 to my personal apt
> repository at http://people.debian.org/~eric/debian/. Just add:

To avoid confustion and to promote right "common practise" please
*always* include the proper name of this project which is "Mozilla
Firebird" AFAIK. And in the Subject too if that's not too much work.

Thanks

Grzegorz B. Prokopski

PS: I am debian firebird packages maintainer.
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Re: ITO packages: ntop, apt-show-source

[Dennis Schoen]

Sorry for replying to my own message. :)

On Wed, May 21, 2003 at 01:42:32PM +0200, Dennis Schoen wrote:
> Package: apt-show-source
> Description: Shows source-package information
>  This program parses the APT lists for source packages and the
>  dpkg status file and then lists every package with a different
>  version number than the one installed.
>  It's very useful if your deb-src sources.list entries point to
>  unstable and your deb entries point to stable.
OHURA Makoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> will take this one. He's currenly
in NM Process and will upload through his sponsor.

Thanks to everybody who has expressed interest in maintaining it.

Ciao
  Dennis

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Re: Debian Wiki

[michael d. ivey]

On Wed, May 21, 2003 at 11:28:32AM +0100, Simon Huggins wrote:
> Hiya Debian,

Hiya! =)

> Am I missing something or is there no diff/version control
> functionality?  Does this mean there is no version control of pages or
> just that it's hidden from users?

Stock Kwiki 0.13 doesn't have anything.  Our local version has a basic
RCS checkin, but I haven't written an interface for it yet.  So, I can
fix stuff from the command line, if need be.  I'm waiting, though, to
see what upstream comes up with.

> Is this a change which will occur soon in Kwiki?  If not might you be
> better off using something else?

It'll be in, either by upstream or by me, within a few weeks.  I want to
see what he comes up with, and then I'll hack something for us.

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Re: ITO packages: ntop, apt-show-source

[Frederic Peters]

> Package: ntop
> Description: display network usage in top-like format
>  ntop is a Network Top program. It displays a summary of network
>  usage by machines on your network in a format reminiscent of the
>  unix top utility.
>  .
>  It can also be run in web mode, which allows the display to be
>  browsed with a web browser.
 
If it's not yet taken I'd like to take this one since it matches my
other packages (iptraf, ethereal...)


Regards,
Frederic



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Re: Announcing Debian Package Tags

[Enrico Zini]

On Thu, May 08, 2003 at 09:22:03AM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:

> Uhm ... what about shipping a separate library libdebtags? It seems to
> me a good way to share the C code you mention in a previous mail and
> also a good way to avoid future incompatibility if you decide to change
> the format of the "package-tags".
> 
> Since the tools are really young, this seems a good moment for "good
> design" (TM) things.

Just uploaded in sid!

At the moment, the API of the library has the shape of just a pile of
classes thrown in.  I look forward to have some discussion with some
other c++ addict with a twist on OO design, to see what could be a
better way to organize the library.


Bye,

Enrico

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Re: ITO packages: ntop, apt-show-source

[Ola Lundqvist]

Hello

On Wed, May 21, 2003 at 01:42:32PM +0200, Dennis Schoen wrote:
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> 
> Hi everybody,
> 
> as I've no longer time to properly maintain my packages I'm
> searching for a new maintainer for:
> 
> Package: ntop
> Description: display network usage in top-like format
>  ntop is a Network Top program. It displays a summary of network
>  usage by machines on your network in a format reminiscent of the
>  unix top utility.
>  .
>  It can also be run in web mode, which allows the display to be
>  browsed with a web browser.

I'd like to take this one. I have been using it for a long time and
is quite experienced with the code.

> - --> Some non-reproduceable bugs. Upstream is very responsive but
> has some *uncommon* opinions about the build process.
> Some knowledge in C and autoconf would be helpful.

Regards,

// Ola

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Re: Constitutional amendment: Condorcet/Clone Proof SSD vote tallying

[Steve Langasek]

On Wed, May 21, 2003 at 09:57:13PM +1200, Nick Phillips wrote:
> On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 07:27:21PM -0400, Raul Miller wrote:

> > Here, the vote(s) for B caused A to win.

> > Other examples are possible (for example: 19 ABD, 1 BDA).

> > > > To make your proposal work right, we'd need a separate quorum
> > > > determination phase which is independent of the voting phase.

> > > i fail to see that argument.

> > See above.

> I don't believe that it's acceptable for an otherwise beaten option to
> win due the the otherwise winning option being discarded due to a quorum
> requirement, as John suggests might happen.

> I also don't believe that it's acceptable to break the Monotonicity Criterion.

> If a winning option would be discarded due to quorum requirements, then
> I think the vote should probably be considered void.

If the "winning" option is discarded due to quorum requirements, then
given that all non-default options have the *same* quorum requirement,
this is exactly what would happen.

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Re: Constitutional amendment: Condorcet/Clone Proof SSD vote tallying

[Raul Miller]

> On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 05:58:10PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> > At this point; under my version; I can express my opinions
> >  with no fear of harming my candidate. Under your amendment; if I do
> >  not vote; the vote is nullified. However, if I vote against the
> >  option -- the option shall win!!

On Wed, May 21, 2003 at 10:12:52AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> But you cannot know what the situation is, unless you have insider
> knowledge, the votes are secrets, and the results published only after
> the election is closed. 

The significance of Manoj's example is not "you knowing what the situation
is" until after the vote.  Until then, it's things like "what the voter
believes about the situation".

(Why don't Anthony's quibbles get this much attention?)

-- 
Raul

Re: Constitutional amendment: Condorcet/Clone Proof SSD vote tallying

[Manoj Srivastava]

On Wed, 21 May 2003 21:57:13 +1200, Nick Phillips <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: 

> On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 07:27:21PM -0400, Raul Miller wrote:
>> Here, the vote(s) for B caused A to win.
>>
>> Other examples are possible (for example: 19 ABD, 1 BDA).
>>
>> > > To make your proposal work right, we'd need a separate quorum
>> > > determination phase which is independent of the voting phase.
>> >
>> > i fail to see that argument.
>>
>> See above.


> I don't believe that it's acceptable for an otherwise beaten option
> to win due the the otherwise winning option being discarded due to a
> quorum requirement, as John suggests might happen.

Quite. But Johns amendment does not solve this, really -- all
 he does is remove all per item quorum requirements, which is likle
 throwing out the baby with the bath water. 

> I also don't believe that it's acceptable to break the Monotonicity
> Criterion.

I am glad we agree.

> If a winning option would be discarded due to quorum requirements,
> then I think the vote should probably be considered void.


I tend to agree. If someone would write up an amendment which
 encapsulates this, without getting rid of the concept of per item
 quorum needs, I would accept that in the GR.

Aj, if you could write up something about the minor flaws you
 see (including renaming the RATIONALE to something saner), I would
 consider that too.

I am away from home, and my keyring, and can only snatch short
 periods of connectivity to the net, so I would appreciate it if
 someone took the lead in writing up these modification (or wait until
 I get back home on the weekend).

manoj
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Re: Constitutional amendment: Condorcet/Clone Proof SSD vote tallying

[Raul Miller]

On Wed, May 21, 2003 at 09:57:13PM +1200, Nick Phillips wrote:
> I don't believe that it's acceptable for an otherwise beaten option
> to win due the the otherwise winning option being discarded due
> to a quorum requirement, as John suggests might happen.

Under the proposed system, we would do exactly the same thing for otherise
winning options being discarded due to a supermajority requirement.

What makes this behavior acceptable for supermajority requirements and
unacceptable for quorum requirements?

To my knowledge, the only issue here is that other voting systems [for
example, those indicated by Roget's Rules of Order] have defined quorum
in terms of number of voters present and do not collect votes if quorum
is not met.

-- 
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Re: Do not touch l10n files (was Re: DDTP issue)

[Fabio Massimo Di Nitto]

On Tue, 20 May 2003, Denis Barbier wrote:

> > i believe that it looks nicer keeping the layout coherent across
> > translation.
>
> But you do not explain why!

because it looks nicer and it is coherent with the original one. This was
always what i told along the thread. I tought it was clear ;)

> Translations are not displayed together with original text, so imposing
> a similar layout (I keep this term for simplicity even if I find it
> meaningless) does not make sense.

it will still be coherent. Even if i don't know the other language and i
see my description bumping from 10 lines to 100 i might suspect that
something is wrong. (exagerated example of course that will ring a bell in
my head).

>
> > > How do developers check how translations are rendered?
> >
> > sorry but i don't understand what you mean.
> [...]
>
> I am wondering how you checked that the Japanese translation did fit
> your aesthetic criterion.

Of course it is not possible to know everything about everything but
atleast one can try his/her best.

Fabio

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Re: Do not touch l10n files (was Re: DDTP issue)

[Fabio Massimo Di Nitto]

On Tue, 20 May 2003, Gustavo Noronha Silva wrote:

> > We asked why the removal of the number «3» from the word «PHP3» caused
> > the format of the whole description to the changed.  We asked _why_,
> > we did not say «do not do this».  First, we wanted to know why.  Then,
> > we might want to ask it to be changed back.
> >
> > Somehow, this whole discussion has been blown completely out of
> > propositions.
>
> I think this's been answered a lot of times, and Fabiano is not
> really asking why, he's telling us 'do not do this'.

*cough*Fabio*cough* ;) no. i did ask which is the procedure (that involves
people to contact) in order to have information about a description and if
there was a common way to have it changed back, I did not wrote explicity
why because i expected a reason back from the translator/translation team,
but tell me if I am wrong if i shouldn't expected so. This was my original
question to grisu. Of course in my mail to him i explained which was the
reason for me to ask, pointing to the french translation since it was the
first one i noticed that had a different layout.

Fabio

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Re: [RFC] Chapter for the debian reference about l10n

[Fabio Massimo Di Nitto]

On Mon, 19 May 2003, Martin Quinson wrote:

> Internationalizing, translating and being internationalized and translated
[SNIP]

I think that having atleast some references on how to handle translations
will avoid other flamewars and misunderstandigs.

But atleast the flamewar was not completly useless since it spotted a few
things (policy or best practise) that are still floating in a "gray area"
and need a better definition.

Thanks for your work
Fabio


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Bug#194190: ITP: dpkg-rebuild -- Rebuild dpkg's status file

[Julien Danjou]

Package: wnpp
Version: unavailable; reported 2003-05-21
Severity: wishlist

* Package name: dpkg-rebuild
  Version : Will be 0.1
  Upstream Author : Patrick Reynolds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
* URL : http://www.cs.duke.edu/~reynolds/projects/dpkg-rebuild
* License : GPL
  Description : Rebuild dpkg's status file.

 Rebuild the Debian '/var/lib/dpkg/status' file from information in
 '/var/lib/dpkg/available' and '/var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list'.  This is
 useful if your 'status' file got corrupted if the system crashed during
 package maintenance, for example.


 I think this script is quite useful although it is not complete.
 Unless somebody has serious reason to refuse this package entering
 Debian, I will package and upload it.


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Re: ITO packages: ntop, apt-show-source

[Frederic Peters]

> > Package: ntop
> 
> I'd like to take this one. I have been using it for a long time and
> is quite experienced with the code.

-> Dennis:  I think Ola is better than me for this package (since I
have not much experience with ntop code), forget my offer.


Frederic

Re: Debian conference in the US?

[Tollef Fog Heen]

*  (Aaron M. Ucko)

| Two of the people I originally contacted said this too, but always in
| the third person.  I ask again, who on this list actually still feels
| this way?

As other people have said: I'm not going, but I don't object to a
conference in the US per se.

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Re: Constitutional amendment: Condorcet/Clone Proof SSD vote tallying

[Guido Trotter]

On Wed, May 21, 2003 at 10:05:47AM -0500, Steve Langasek wrote:

Hi,
> 
> If the "winning" option is discarded due to quorum requirements, then
> given that all non-default options have the *same* quorum requirement,
> this is exactly what would happen.
> 

I think this is not inherently true. Since all options are compared two by
two one of them could theorically defeat all the others but fail to defeat 
the default one by the quorum requirement, while at the same time all the
others can defeat the default one with the necessary quorum margin...
This is, of course, a quite borderline case, but it indeed exists.

Bye,

Guido

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Re: Debian Wiki

[Alexandre Dulaunoy]

On Wed, 21 May 2003, michael d. ivey wrote:

> 
> It'll be in, either by upstream or by me, within a few weeks.  I want to
> see what he comes up with, and then I'll hack something for us.

Why  not  starting  with  phpwiki  ?   We  are  using  it  on  various
high-volume  site, this is  quite stable  and got  a lot  features and
don't eat the memory like... (you know ;-)

For example : http://wiki.ael.be/index.php/RecentChanges

Have a nice day,

adulau

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Re: Debian Wiki

[michael d. ivey]

On Wed, May 21, 2003 at 07:07:27PM +0200, Alexandre Dulaunoy wrote:
> Why  not  starting  with  phpwiki  ?   We  are  using  it  on  various
> high-volume  site, this is  quite stable  and got  a lot  features and
> don't eat the memory like... (you know ;-)

I'd really like to not have the "Why not use MY favorite Wiki?"
discussion again.  We're using Kwiki because it makes me feel happy, and
I enjoy working with it.  I don't like PHP, and since I have to maintain
it, I want to use something I like.  If/when the Debian admin folks
decide DebianWiki is important enough to be on a d.o server, then they
can decide to keep Kwiki or move to whatever flavor they want.

Thre are lots of wiki bases out there, and they're all more or less the
same in basic concept.  Personal preference plays a HUGE role.  Everyone
will think that the wiki they use elsewhere is the best wiki.  Please
remember, though, that back when Wiki was a single place, not a type of
site, it was a perl script that could easily be hacked to do what needed
doing.

Did I mention that Kwiki makes me happy?  I don't mean that like, "I'm
happy enough with this solution" ... I mean, Kwiki makes me happy.  I
smile when using it, and I smile when hacking on it.  It does what a
Wiki is supposed to do, and gives us tons of room to do new stuff.

So, there ya go.  s/phpwiki/yourfavoritewiki/ and that's my answer for
all the questions like this.

Later,
-ivey

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Re: Constitutional amendment: Condorcet/Clone Proof SSD vote tallying

[Buddha Buck]

Raul Miller wrote:
On Wed, May 21, 2003 at 09:57:13PM +1200, Nick Phillips wrote:
 

I don't believe that it's acceptable for an otherwise beaten option
to win due the the otherwise winning option being discarded due
to a quorum requirement, as John suggests might happen.
   

Under the proposed system, we would do exactly the same thing for otherise
winning options being discarded due to a supermajority requirement.
What makes this behavior acceptable for supermajority requirements and
unacceptable for quorum requirements?
To my knowledge, the only issue here is that other voting systems [for
example, those indicated by Roget's Rules of Order] have defined quorum
in terms of number of voters present and do not collect votes if quorum
is not met
I've not been following this thread too closely (between trying to get 
work done, trying to get plants into the ground, and trying to spend 
time with my SO, I've been too busy to pay close attention to Debian 
politics), but I've two questions:

1) Has anyone developed standard terminology for:
 a) The proposed amendment to the Debian Constitution formally offered 
by Manoj
 b) The proposed amendment to (a) above as offered by John

2) Would an amendment to (a) to the following effect be acceptable and 
clear up nomenclature issues:

Replace A.6.2-4 in the proposed amendment with:
2.  Procedural Definitions
a. V(A,B): For any options A and B, V(A,B) is defined as the number
of ballots cast that rank option A higher than option B
b. margin of A over B: The margin of A over B M(A,B) = V(A,B)-V(B,A)
Note that M(A,B) = -M(B,A)
c. defeats: For any options A and B, A defeats B if and
 only if M(A,B) > 0
d.  Acceptable:  An option A other than the default option is
 considered "acceptable" if and only if M(A,default) >= R, where
 R is the "quorum requirement" for the vote.
e. Superacceptable: An option A with a supermajority
requirement of N:M is considered superacceptable if and only if
M*V(A,default) > N:V(default,A).
f.  Pairwise defeat:  A pairwise defeat is an ordered pair of
 options (A, B) where A defeats B.
g.  "weaker" A pairwise defeat (A,B) is considered weaker than
 pairwise defeat (C,D) if V(A,B) < V(C,D)
3. Dropped options
a. Any non-default option A which is not acceptable is dropped
b. Any option A with a supermajority requirement which is not
superacceptable is dropped.
4. Create a list of all pairwise defeats (A,B), where neither A nor B 
are dropped, sorted by V(A,B).

with related changes elsewhere to use these definition.

Re: Debian Wiki

[Bernd Eckenfels]

On Wed, May 21, 2003 at 09:34:37AM -0500, michael d. ivey wrote:
> Stock Kwiki 0.13 doesn't have anything.  Our local version has a basic
> RCS checkin

dont want to argue here, but there are enough Wikis which do support that.
PErsonally I use Tavi (mysql) which is only missing file uploads.

Greetings
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Re: Bug#194190: ITP: dpkg-rebuild -- Rebuild dpkg's status file

[Michael Banck]

On Wed, May 21, 2003 at 06:33:51PM +0200, Julien Danjou wrote:
> * Package name: dpkg-rebuild
>   Description : Rebuild dpkg's status file.
> 
>  Rebuild the Debian '/var/lib/dpkg/status' file from information in
>  '/var/lib/dpkg/available' and '/var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list'.  This is
>  useful if your 'status' file got corrupted if the system crashed during
>  package maintenance, for example.

Sounds quite useful :)
 
>  I think this script is quite useful although it is not complete.
>  Unless somebody has serious reason to refuse this package entering
>  Debian, I will package and upload it.

You might want to think about perhaps renaming it to 'status-rebuild',
'dpkg-rebuild' sounds a bit to generic too me.

Furthermore, did you talk with the dpkg about using the dpkg-namespace?
Perhaps they'd like to integrate that script into dpkg proper, once it's
proved to work. (I cc'ed debian-dpkg)


cheers,

Michael

Re: alioth.debian.org down

[Roland Mas]

Josip Rodin (2003-05-20 23:21:02 +0200) :

> On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 08:06:17PM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
[...]
>> No because alioth has its own DNS delegation (in order to manage
>> .alioth.debian.org).
>
> But why doesn't it have any slaves?

That's a good question.  The Sourceforge and Gforge packages include
code to maintain a Bind zone file that includes the appropriate
entries.  There are two modes ow functioning: simplified mode (one
wildcard entry), and realistic (one entry for each needed host, no
more).  Simplified mode allows the wildcard to be set up in the parent
zone, realistic mode requires a zone delegation.  In any case, nothing
prevents the use of secondary servers, slaves, replication, call them
what you like.

  In other words: no really good answer for your question.  I'm afraid
the best I can offer is "It doesn't have any slave yet.", but since I
can't take the appropriate actions to make these slaves happen, that
won't be of much help to you.

Roland.
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Re: Accepted ptkei 1.18.0-4 (all source)

[Brian Nelson]

reopen 192068
thanks

John O'Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Format: 1.7
> Date: Tue,  8 Apr 2003 21:40:18 +0100
> Source: ptkei
> Binary: ptkei
> Architecture: source all
> Version: 1.18.0-4
> Distribution: unstable
> Urgency: low
> Maintainer: John O'Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Changed-By: John O'Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Description: 
>  ptkei  - Python TK Empire Interface
> Changes: 
>  ptkei (1.18.0-4) unstable; urgency=low
>  .
>* Fixed Bug#192068

...another fine example of changelog abuse.

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Re: Accepted directory-administrator 1.3.5-1 (i386 source)

[Brian Nelson]

Guido Trotter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Format: 1.7
> Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 17:31:23 +0200
> Source: directory-administrator
> Binary: directory-administrator
> Architecture: source i386
> Version: 1.3.5-1
> Distribution: unstable
> Urgency: low
> Maintainer: Guido Trotter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Changed-By: Guido Trotter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Description: 
>  directory-administrator - LDAP POSIX user/group manager for GNOME
> Closes: 90276 172803 174301 176227 177616 179036 188308 191721 193685 194043
> Changes: 
>  directory-administrator (1.3.5-1) unstable; urgency=low
>  .
>* New Upstream Version (closes: #176227, #188308, #90276)

Changelog abuse.  This is only a valid entry if all 3 of these bugs were
requests for a new version, which they were not.

>* New Maintainer (adopted this package with permission from the old one)
>* Move to section gnome
>* Create a manpage (closes: #194043)
>* Explained that it works with LDAPv2 only in README.Debian (closes: 
> #191721)
>* Put the binary in /usr/bin (closes: #193685)
>* Acknowledge NMU (closes: #174301, #172803, #179036, #177616)
>* Bump Standards-Version to 3.5.10
>* Fix a typo in the changelog
>* Seems that the build dependency on autoconf and automake isn't necessary
>  anymore.

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Re: Firebird 0.6

[Eric Dorland]

* Grzegorz B. Prokopski ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> W li?cie z wto, 20-05-2003, godz. 05:52, Eric Dorland pisze: 
> > Hi Everyone,
> > 
> > From the amount of mail I've gotten I guess people will be
> > interested. I've uploaded mozilla-firebird_0.6-1 to my personal apt
> > repository at http://people.debian.org/~eric/debian/. Just add:
> 
> To avoid confustion and to promote right "common practise" please
> *always* include the proper name of this project which is "Mozilla
> Firebird" AFAIK. And in the Subject too if that's not too much work.
> 
> Thanks
> 
>   Grzegorz B. Prokopski
> 
> PS: I am debian firebird packages maintainer.

Ugh, Lets not start this flamewar here. I called it Firebird for the
same reason as people say Linux instead of GNU/Linux and Bob instead
of Robert: it's shorter and I'm lazy. I don't think anyone was
confused by it particularly, especially since I refer to the full
package name later on in the mail. So unless you have a better reason
then PCness, I'll use either as the mood strikes me :)

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Re: Accepted ptkei 1.18.0-4 (all source)

[Colin Watson]

On Wed, May 21, 2003 at 12:24:42PM -0700, Brian Nelson wrote:
> John O'Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Changes: 
> >  ptkei (1.18.0-4) unstable; urgency=low
> >  .
> >* Fixed Bug#192068
> 
> ...another fine example of changelog abuse.

... although not what actually closed the bug; he did that manually
supplying more information. See the web interface.

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Re: Firebird 0.6

[Eric Dorland]

* Brian Nelson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Eric Dorland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > Hi Everyone,
> >
> > From the amount of mail I've gotten I guess people will be
> > interested. I've uploaded mozilla-firebird_0.6-1 to my personal apt
> > repository at http://people.debian.org/~eric/debian/. Just add:
> >
> > deb http://people.debian.org/~eric/debian/$(ARCH) ./
> >
> > to your /etc/apt/sources.list and apt-get install
> > mozilla-firebird. Note that This package does NOT
> > Conflict/Provide/Replace my older phoenix package since they were
> > unofficial, and this package doesn't actually conflict with the
> > phoenix package (because of the name change). I'll probably upload
> > this to unstable after a few more tweaks, if there's no objections.
> 
> Hi Eric,
> 
> Have you considered building the mozilla-firebird package from the
> mozilla or (more likely) the mozilla-snapshot source package?  Given
> that the firebird build system requires just a small modification to the
> mozilla build system, I think it's possible to build both
> mozilla-browser and mozilla-firebird from the same source.  Doing so
> would reduce the large amount of duplicated files that are contained in
> both mozilla and firebird.
> 
> I intended to look into this last weekend, but cvs.mozilla.org and
> cvs-mirror.m.o were unreachable for me for the entire weekend.

I did consider this, but since mozilla and firebird are not developed
in parallel, they are released at different times, with different
snapshots of the source tree. So if I tried to build it out of the
mozilla source tree it would end up being either too old or too new or
broken. It might be possible to build it out of the mozilla-snapshot
packages, but only really -snapshot packages, not real releases.

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Re: ITO packages: ntop, apt-show-source

[Dennis Schoen]

Hi,

On Wed, May 21, 2003 at 05:03:47PM +0200, Ola Lundqvist wrote:
> On Wed, May 21, 2003 at 01:42:32PM +0200, Dennis Schoen wrote:
> > Package: ntop
> > Description: display network usage in top-like format
> >  ntop is a Network Top program. It displays a summary of network
> >  usage by machines on your network in a format reminiscent of the
> >  unix top utility.
> >  .
> >  It can also be run in web mode, which allows the display to be
> >  browsed with a web browser.
> 
> I'd like to take this one. I have been using it for a long time and
> is quite experienced with the code.

Ok, it's yours. I hoped you would step forward as you have already
done some work on it. :)

Please try to upload a package in the next days.

Ciao
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Re: Accepted directory-administrator 1.3.5-1 (i386 source)

[Bernd Eckenfels]

On Wed, May 21, 2003 at 12:31:14PM -0700, Brian Nelson wrote:
> >* New Upstream Version (closes: #176227, #188308, #90276)
> 
> Changelog abuse.  This is only a valid entry if all 3 of these bugs were
> requests for a new version, which they were not.

to me it reads: "fixed by the new version". which is perfectly valid.

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Re: Accepted directory-administrator 1.3.5-1 (i386 source)

[Guido Trotter]

On Wed, May 21, 2003 at 12:31:14PM -0700, Brian Nelson wrote:
> >  directory-administrator (1.3.5-1) unstable; urgency=low
> >  .
> >* New Upstream Version (closes: #176227, #188308, #90276)
> 
> Changelog abuse.  This is only a valid entry if all 3 of these bugs were
> requests for a new version, which they were not.
> 

The features included in that version (and listed in upstream changelog)
solve the problems reported in the other two report...

Bye,

Guido

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Re: Accepted directory-administrator 1.3.5-1 (i386 source)

[Colin Watson]

On Wed, May 21, 2003 at 11:47:52PM +0200, Bernd Eckenfels wrote:
> On Wed, May 21, 2003 at 12:31:14PM -0700, Brian Nelson wrote:
> > >* New Upstream Version (closes: #176227, #188308, #90276)
> > 
> > Changelog abuse.  This is only a valid entry if all 3 of these bugs were
> > requests for a new version, which they were not.
> 
> to me it reads: "fixed by the new version". which is perfectly valid.

It's much more helpful to write this as:

  * New upstream version (closes: #176227).
- README file no longer says "snork" (closes: #188308).
- Don't kill the user's dog whenever the program is run
  (closes: #90276).

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Re: Firebird 0.6

[Eric Dorland]

Could you be more specific? If there's a permission problem I'd like
to fix it :)

* Andreas Happe ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Nikolai Prokoschenko wrote:
> > I've installed a bunch of extensions while using root and now Mozilla
> > Firebird hangs when starting it as user. Does anybody else experience
> > this? Any hints on diagnosing?
> 
> been there, done that.
> 
> there were some files in /usr/lib/mozilla-firebird/chrome which were not
> world readable. look for suspicious strace output.
> 
> Andreas
> 
> 

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Re: Accepted directory-administrator 1.3.5-1 (i386 source)

[Bernd Eckenfels]

On Wed, May 21, 2003 at 11:55:36PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote:
> It's much more helpful to write this as:

yes of course, but the question is where the line between helpfulness and
usefulness is :)

At least I think it is not a good idea to talk about "abuse" if maintainers
save themself some work. This might have the opposite effet than desired.

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mozilla 1.3.1-1 segfaults

[Jack Howarth]

Are any arches other than debian ppc sid
seeing the new mozilla 1.3.1-1 release segfault?
This new version also causes galeon to segfault
as well. Regressing back to 1.3-5 fixes both.
Jack

Re: Debian conference in the US?

[Simon Law]

On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 01:25:47PM -0400, Aaron M. Ucko wrote:
> Joe Drew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > While convenient for american developers, there are rather a number of
> > non-american developers who will not set foot on American soil, due in
> > part to the DMCA and (I imagine) the apparent dangers to non-americans
> > coming into the country.
> 
> Two of the people I originally contacted said this too, but always in
> the third person.  I ask again, who on this list actually still feels
> this way?

Please don't hold the conference in the U.S.  I am a Canadian
who has not stepped foot on American soil since your government declared
it was at war.

Simon

Re: Firebird 0.6

[Nathan Poznick]

Thus spake Eric Dorland:
> Could you be more specific? If there's a permission problem I'd like
> to fix it :)

I've seen this happen when installing extensions, such as the tabbrowser
extensions... the .jar file gets installed with 400 permissions, which
can be Ok if you're installing it locally, but not if you're wanting it
to install globally.


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