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这也是一封广告邮件，因为我要向你推销一个伟大的自由之梦。
 
    传奇商务网http://www.legendb2b.com是全球第一个，也是全球最大的提供“组群发”服务的电子商务站点，服务于16个国家和地区。组群发技术可以大大提高您电子商务的成交率。我们提供的服务，包括“组群发”服务在内，一切服务都是免费的，请不要不相信。至于为什么免费，请查看信尾的（附录1：传奇与alibaba.com决斗的前后始末）
 
    
所谓的“组群发”服务，就是当您发布了供求信息后，系统会自动对您的信息与其他用户发布的信息进行信息自动配对，找出系统中您的潜在客户，并且同时将您的信息通过电子邮件发送给您的潜在客户们。比如您是一个卖苹果的商人，您只要在传奇发布一条卖苹果的信息，所有的买苹果的商人都将收到您的信息。这就是组群发技术。组群发技术可以大大提高您产品的成交率，比较传统电子商务，在同样的构架上，使用组群发技术，成交率高了大约40倍。至于为什么会有这么高，请查看（附录2：高成交率的数学原理）
 
    
由于传奇商务网使用的是世界上最先进的电子商务技术，使用传奇商务网的方法和传统的电子商务网有非常大的区别，所以我们有必要在这里为您解释一下：如何使用传奇商务网 


    首先，登陆传奇商务网首页――http://www.legendb2b.com,然后点击“中国”进入中国部分登陆页面，您注册好您的用户信息，就能使用传奇商务网了。在传奇商务网，你必须加入与您相关的行业才能进行交易。加入行业的方法，可以是直接点击“加入现有的行业”，如果您找不到与您有关的行业，我们还提供行业搜索引擎您可以根据关键词搜索到您的行业，要是还是没有找到呢？不要紧，在传奇商务网，您还可以自己建立与您有关的行业。在这个世界上，没有听说过哪个电子商务能自己建立行业的，这一切只有传奇才有。但是我们建议您还是加入已经存在的行业，因为已经存在的行业意味着里面加入的人数比较的多，您的商业成交率也可能比较大些。 

    
加入好行业后，您必须为您的行业“设置属性”设置属性的目的的让系统能找到你，要是不设置属性，你的客户就无法通过“组群发”技术找到你了。设置属性非常简单，您看后就自然会明白了。
    
一切完成后，您应当赶紧发布你的商业信息。因为如果您不发布信息，您的客户也就不知道您的产品。而且由于组群发技术的核心是信息自动配对原理，您如果不发布信息，就无法参与配对，成交率因此就无从谈起了。在传奇发布信息的过程和在传统的电子商务站点一样简单。但是，当您发布完成后，我们的系统已经将您的信息与其他用户发布的信息进行自动配对，找出了您的潜在客户，并且将信息用电子邮件发送给您的千千万万的潜在客户了。您可以想象一下，您的弹指一挥间，商业信息已经通过组群发技术发给您的无数家客户了。这个过程是多么神奇。
 
    传奇商务网是一个非常自由开放的站点。我们反对一切的信息垄断和封锁。我们相信爱和和平，自由与民主是世界的必然。虽然我们拥有世界领先的电子商务技术，但是我们不走技术垄断的道路，我们愿意将核心技术拿出来与世界上所有的电子商务站点共享，并且还将提供该技术的数据库接口支持。有关其他电子商务站点如何与传奇合作可以进入传奇中国部分的相关链接查看，或直接点击这个链接：http://www.legendb2b.com/zoonchina/china/mail1.html



 
附录1：传奇与alibaba.com决斗的前后始末
    
作为传奇的创始人我永远无法忘记这3个月来的经历，没有想到这一切居然会发生了，而且发生得如此玄妙，传奇的存在以及发展速度已经完全超脱了我的想象。
    
大概是在今年6月份，我还是一个大一的学生。全球最大的B2B站点在报纸上登了个招聘广告。我打电话过去，但是对方语气上有点傲慢。傲慢是大企业的通病。但是正是这傲慢的语气促成了传奇电子商务的产生。您一定知道，兰博基尼是一种很有名的跑车。当年兰博基尼的创始人是经营拖拉机生意的，有天，他向邻居法拉力的创始人提出了几点法拉力车的缺点，而法拉力的创始人是非常难沟通的。于是，他一气之下就决定造出比法拉力更好的跑车来。这辆车就是兰博基尼。
    历史在2002年的8月22日重演。
    
通过对几家电子商务系统的分析，发现他们的功能其实就是一个论坛。我想，如果能有一种更好的交互思想来应用到电子商务，那可能会非常成功；“组群发”的概念就这样在产生了。 
一个月后的9月20日，传奇商务网已经拥有全球注册企业5000家。传奇已经成为全球第一家也是全球最大的提供“组群发”业务的电子商务站点。而到了3个月后的今天传奇商务网已经有全球企业15000家，其中中国部分的企业达到了7000家。而这个速度依旧没有放缓的迹象。传奇每天有近百家企业注册，平均每天有数百条信息发布，这些信息通常会在当天找到合作意向。
    
目前，我们的事业在高速发展。我感到非常的自豪，因为我的智慧造福了千千万万的人民。在一切向钱看的今天，传奇是鲜有的几家高价值并且免费的电子商务站点。更让我欣慰的是，一个月后，有个投资人找到了我。他找到我的方式不是电话，也不是传真，而是靠传奇的组群发邮件找到我的。这充分说明了传奇的魅力是不可抵挡的。对于传统的电子商务，传奇正在一点点地吞食他们的领地。
    
这是侵略，也是战争。 
 
（想了解传奇的历史请点击“传奇的发展历史”，想查看传奇的动态请点击“传奇的动态”，想与传奇合作请点击“与传奇合作”）



附录2：高成交率的数学原理
    
什么是组群发服务呢？打个非常形象的比方：一个小伙上火车的时候，希望位子旁边坐着一个美丽的姑娘，上车后，发现边上坐着个老太婆；这个时候一个姑娘也上了车，她希望位置边上坐一个小伙子，但是她边上坐着个老头子。那么我要问局外人：是不是车厢里缺少小伙子或者姑娘呢？其实车厢里这两个资源并不缺，缺的仅仅是缘分。现在的传统电子商务也是这样，即使象一些世界级的大站点，他们的客户都在抱怨成交率太低了。他们就象一节大车厢，里面姑娘小伙一大堆，可惜就是坐不到一起。而传奇电子商务的车厢虽然没有他们大，你一个小伙子上车，我不能保证一定有你要找的姑娘，但是只要有，就一定能帮你找到。这就是传奇电子商务的一个非常大的优势，我们不仅仅提供车厢，还制造缘分。我们制造缘分的工具叫做：组群发。我们制造缘分的理论在做：信息自动配对原理。
 
   牛顿写过一本书叫《自然哲学的数学原理》，今天就借题发挥，来个“高成交率的数学原理”。
   究竟传奇的这种组群发模式比传统电子商务的模式效果大多少倍呢？这是可以算出来的。就拿传奇的“化工”行业来说吧。里面有150条信息，在网站里共被浏览了535次，平均每条信息被浏览了3.57次。也就是说仅仅在页面上，每条信息发布后仅仅只有3.57个潜在客户看到这条信息。而现在在传奇的“化工”行业，信息被组群发后，平均每条信息有120――170个潜在客户找出来，并且发信给他们。由于用电子邮件看信息和在网站上看信息是等价的，因此，以一条信息被组群发150个潜在客户来计算，信息的浏览量被提高了42倍。
    
由于收到信件的都是该信息的潜在客户，因此可以将浏览量与成交量作对比。因为成交率与浏览量是成正比的，所以成交率被提高了近40倍。
（想了解传奇的历史请点击“传奇的发展历史”，想查看传奇的动态请点击“传奇的动态”，想与传奇合作请点击“与传奇合作”） 


附录3：传奇的存在和历史使命
    
我们的使命是改变世界，使之达到我们认为的完美的程度。我们相信，一个只有微软只有阿里巴巴的世界是一个可怕的世界。地球之所以是一颗美丽的星球是因为有各种不同的生物生活在一个共同的家园。同样，在电子商务领域，面对信息垄断托拉斯，传奇商务网向他们说：不。一场争取网络自由的战争已经打响了。我们知道面临的挑战，更加尖端的技术将被开发出来，以更好地服务于世界和人民。我们要做世界上最大的B2B站点，并且已经取得了非常大的胜利。而现在做的一些事情仅仅只是一个开始，更加激动人心的还在后面。您可以看到，短短三个月来，我们的用户已经达到了13000家企业，中国部分也已经达到了7000家。目前这个速度依旧保持着增长。传奇成为世界第一仅仅只是一个时间问题。
    欢迎您使用传奇电子商务网，全球最大的“组群发”业务供应商。
 
（想了解传奇的历史请点击“传奇的发展历史”，想查看传奇的动态请点击“传奇的动态”，想与传奇合作请点击“与传奇合作”）



附录4：价值观念在传奇
 恐怕没有一家公司敢说：在我们的公司赚钱是第二位的。而在传奇，赚钱被摆在了第三位。
    
摆在第一位的是做人。人类社会是以人为基础的。人是以道德为基础的。传奇商务网的整个运营理念都是为了创造世界的新自由秩序。正义与良心充满了我们的价值观念，金钱不是衡量价值的标准，理想和希望才的人类生活的目标。我们用技术打击垄断。我们为民主开辟道路，在2002年的9月18日，传奇商务网作为中国人的站点，中断了正常服务一天，以悼念在二战中被日本国人民夺去生命的中国人民，并为此作了相关的链接。无论在中国还是在世界上，没有一个电子商务网站会这么做，但是我们做了。在我们的登陆页面链接上，保护环境，普及基础教育的链接占了很多，并非我们不知道放广告赚钱，仅仅是因为我们走的第一步是如何做一个回报社会的人。
    
摆在第二位的是服务。服务于世界是我们的理想。传奇提供的是世界上最先进的电子商务技术和服务。我们还会继续开发新的技术出来，以更好的满足日益苛刻的市场需求。在传奇商务网，我们将服务做到了完美的境界。
钱永远是摆在最后一位的。在传奇商务网，我们提供的是免费的电子商务平台。作为基础服务，将永远免费下去。将来传奇商务网的赢利会向提供增殖服务靠拢。虽然我们赚不到很多钱，但是我们很自豪――传奇是世界上最伟大的站点。
 

（想了解传奇的历史请点击“传奇的发展历史”，想查看传奇的动态请点击“传奇的动态”，想与传奇合作请点击“与传奇合作”）




附录5：未来的传奇更精彩
 我们提供了世界上最先进的电子商务技术，但是这并不是一个结束，而是一个开始。为了提高技术防风险储备，我们开发了一系列的尖端技术。包括传奇的移动组群发技术。在未来，我们希望人们一提起传奇就与世界上最尖端的电子商务技术联想到一起。我们已经有了非常高效的组群发技术。但是在未来我们要将这个技术应用到手机短信息业务上去。将来的人们做电子商务将抛弃电脑，仅仅用手机就能达到技术的高层次应用。
    
在2004年的某一个早上，你感觉昨晚睡了一个好觉，心情很清爽。但是一想到仓库里还有很多的产品需要卖出去，而原料供应商又提高了价格，上司又催得急。你的好心情全破坏了。这是世界上千千万万个商人经历的同一个早晨。在这个时候，你拿起手机向传奇的服务器发送了两条短信息。这两条短信息被送入传奇的数据库进行信息自动配对，在零点几秒间，您的潜在客户和潜在原料供应商都被找了出来，然后系统自动向他们的手机发送了您的供求短信息。
    
您在上班的路上，手机一刻不停地响，那是他们在用短信息回复您的供求信息了。你暗暗地想：今天可有得忙了。
 
    
是的，未来就是这么美好。您刚才看到的形式并不是科幻小说，该技术已经出来了，并作为技术储备藏在加密的文件夹里，在半年或者一年后，您看到的未来就在您身边。我们追求的不是行业第一，不是中国第一，而是世界第一，兴奋的是我们已经追求到了正在不断巩固中。正如传奇商务网的广告语一样：究竟什么使我们的世界为何如此美好？
    您认为究竟是什么呢？
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    目前，我们已经在接触不少风险投资机构了。同样我们也希望有实力的企业或投资机

bill gates linux

[spiratec]

 I am going to try one last time on this and then I 
 promise you won't here from me again.

  GIVEN THE FOLLOWING :-
 1/ there are millions of Windows and Dos
 users out there.
 2/ Ideally there should be equally millions of
 Linux users out there.
 3/ many of us millions don't want to give up
or find it usefull to keep our Dos and
Windows.
 4/ many of us millions would very much like to have
the option of using both systems on our computer.

  WE WOULD LIKE THE FOLLOWING:-
 1/ we don't want to have to know the technical
 details of how to get to the step4/ above (in the
 given table above).
 2/we want one of the following:-
 A/ to be able to insert a floppy disk into
 our "a" drive , turn on the computer,
the computer then loads DOS or whatever
 and eventually after enough time and floppys
 have been fead into the drive we see an
  up and running version of Linux.
 or:.. B/ turn on the computer with a floppy
  disk "a" which then prompts for a cd-rom
   which then loads a version of Linux.
 or:..c/ option 3 would be to allow Windows to
  to boot up and click on a cd-rom drive.
   and then the program on the cd would modify
my computer so that Windows and Linux
 can run on the same machine.
 either :-
 1/ separately
 2/ selectably
 3/ Windows under Linux or Visa versa
 4/ some way the two can interact on
the same machine
  5/ or some combination of 1/2/3/4
   IF you think that this can't be done then
   fine; but I bet Linus Torvalds could do it.
   I know bill can't do it he  
   is too busy adding more bells and 
whistles to Windows4000 .
  Please don't take my pleadings to be for 
   myself personally. There will come a time
   when the world wide demand for operating systems
   will be huge.This will come from third world
   countrys where literacy is low and computer
   literacy is even lower. I respectfully place
   myself in that catagory.
   TO your greater success!! THANK YOU FOR YOUR
  PATIENCE  GOOD BY.

































































 
































 

Bug#172189: ITP: openscenegraph -- C++/OpenGL based graphics development library.

[Hugo van der Merwe]

Package: wnpp
Version: unavailable; reported 2002-12-06
Severity: wishlist

* Package name: openscenegraph
  Version : 0.9.2
  Upstream Author : Robert Osfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
* URL : http://www.openscenegraph.org/
* License : LGPL
  Description : C++/OpenGL based graphics development library.

 The OpenSceneGraph is an Open Source (LGPL), Cross Platform (Windows,
 Linux, Mac OSX, FreeBSD, Irix, Solaris), Standard C++ and OpenGL based
 graphics development library. Uses range from visual simulation,
 games, virtual reality, scientific visualization and graphics
 research.

Hugo van der Merwe

-- System Information:
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Architecture: i386
Kernel: Linux vervet.localnet 2.4.19 #1 Wed Dec 4 23:00:59 SAST 2002 i686
Locale: LANG=en_ZA, LC_CTYPE=en_ZA

Re: Bug#172158: ITP: rsxs -- Really Slick X Screensavers

[Ulrich Eckhardt]

Hi Ari!
Not really relevant but www.reallyslick.com points to rss-glx.sourceforge.net 
which seems to be a second independant port to X11. Also, that page even 
supplies Debian-packages (though only for i386 and PPC).

Did you compare the two ports and what are their differences ?

cheers

Uli

Re: Bug#172158: ITP: rsxs -- Really Slick X Screensavers

[Ari Pollak]

Apparently there are a lot of ports of the really slick X Screensavers, 
but all of them present the problem of integrating into the actual 
xscreensaver, which isn't really possible system-wide as far as I can 
see. And inclusion of the screensavers in upstream XScreenSaver is far 
from feasible because of incompatible license changes. The .deb packages 
supplied on the web page do not integrate into xscreensaver directly, 
and I think rsxs would be a better choice for doing so anyway if it were 
to be done. I suppose it would be possible to just include the binaries 
without touching the XScreenSaver config file but instead including 
instructions on including it on a user-specific basis, but I don't know 
how well the changes would transfer between XScreensaver versions.

Ulrich Eckhardt wrote:
Hi Ari!
Not really relevant but www.reallyslick.com points to rss-glx.sourceforge.net 
which seems to be a second independant port to X11. Also, that page even 
supplies Debian-packages (though only for i386 and PPC).

Did you compare the two ports and what are their differences ?
cheers
Uli

Re: guaranteed non-interactive installation and upgrades

[Eduard Bloch]

#include 
* Colin Walters [Sat, Dec 07 2002, 08:15:08PM]:

> But no one has shown any interest in fixing exim.  On the other hand I
> was interested enough in Postfix to write the debconfiscation, and then
> John Goerzen and LaMont Jones were interested enough to fix and
> significantly improve it.

Well, I would do this. On the other hand, I was told that some people
are preparing sane packaged exim4 packages with debconfiscation.

> Making a policy proposal won't force anyone to do anything; it may
> motivate the exim people more, but I doubt it.  Of course, with the
> policy proposal, we will have a better justification for switching to
> Postfix if exim isn't fixed.

That is the only thing, and only if you wanna switch to Postfix, but not
the ultimate solution. With policy, it would be easier to deal with
lazyness and unwillingness of some maintainers.

> Whether we should have this policy proposal and make complete
> debconfiscation a goal for sarge is something that I don't have an
> opinion on yet.

I do not ask for complete debconfiscation, there are packages where it
is not feasable. But then their postinst scripts should be able to work
non-interactive and choose something automaticaly, based on the profile
settings when needed.

Gruss/Regards,
Eduard.
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Re: bill gates linux

[Simon Richter]

Hi,

>  4/ many of us millions would very much like to have
> the option of using both systems on our computer.

They actually have.

>  1/ we don't want to have to know the technical
>  details of how to get to the step4/ above (in the
>  given table above).

This is being worked on. A long time ago, in a galaxy far away, Yoda
described the task of installing Linux with the wise words "Always two
there are: A master and an apprentice". This has changed much, and the
current installer is pretty much usable for medium skilled users (i.e.
one that knows what a "keymap" is).

>  2/we want one of the following:-

All of the things you ask for are already possible, some only if you
really install Linux (which means that it will require harddisk space in
separate partitions, which is not an easy thing if you didn't plan for
it when you installed your current system).

>  A/ to be able to insert a floppy disk into
>  our "a" drive , turn on the computer,
> the computer then loads DOS or whatever
>  and eventually after enough time and floppys
>  have been fead into the drive we see an
>   up and running version of Linux.

This is possible, and in fact the way I installed Linux every time but
the last (I got a CD-ROM since :-) ).

>  or:.. B/ turn on the computer with a floppy
>   disk "a" which then prompts for a cd-rom
>which then loads a version of Linux.

Also possible, I think.

>  or:..c/ option 3 would be to allow Windows to
>   to boot up and click on a cd-rom drive.
>and then the program on the cd would modify
> my computer so that Windows and Linux
>  can run on the same machine.

Also possible in theory, although it doesn't make real sense to boot up
Windows first, as all newer computers can boot from a CD-ROM anyway, and
the older ones are either installed using floppies or booted into MS-DOS
(from where we can switch directly into Linux without telling Windows to
shut down first).

>  either :-
>  1/ separately

Define "separately". I would give it the same meaning as "selectably"
here.

>  2/ selectably

Possible, and in fact the way it is installed on many systems. Depending
on your taste, you can have a separate menu or integrate it into
Windows' own boot menu (the latter being more work).

>  3/ Windows under Linux or Visa versa

There is vmware, which does cost money but does exactly this. But unless
you have specific reasons for doing it, you don't want that. There is
also the wine project, which makes an emulator to run Windows software
under Linux.

But in fact very few of us have ever needed it. There are replacements
for about any piece of software under Windows that run natively under
Linux.

>  4/ some way the two can interact on
> the same machine

You can use a shared partition for your data, and if you're running
vmware, you have a "network" between the virtual and the real computer.

>   Please don't take my pleadings to be for 
>myself personally. There will come a time
>when the world wide demand for operating systems
>will be huge.This will come from third world
>countrys where literacy is low and computer
>literacy is even lower.

Actually such things are happening right now. That's why Microsoft is
giving free Windows to third world schools -- they fear that all the
people there will be raised on Linux and be used to it.

   Simon

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Re: guaranteed non-interactive installation and upgrades

[Andreas Metzler]

Colin Walters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sat, 2002-12-07 at 14:23, Bastian Blank wrote:
>> On Sat, Dec 07, 2002 at 01:44:31PM -0500, Colin Walters wrote:
>> > And we could fix the exim issue by switching to Postfix as the default
>> > MTA...
>> 
>> the sollution is not to use other packages, it is fixing the packages.

> But no one has shown any interest in fixing exim.
[...]

Hello,
The packaging of Exim's new major version (v4) will use debconf, the
preliminary test packages already do.

Because the configuration file format has changed in a fundamental
way, the configuration cannot be converted automatically[1] and Exim
v4 comes as new packages (exim4-base+exim4-daemon-something) and not
as upgrade for Exim v3.
   cu andreas
[1] convert4r4 can try but: "The output file MUST be checked and
tested before trying to use it on a live system. The conversion script
is just an aid which does a lot of the "grunt work". It does not
guarantee to produce an Exim 4 configuration that behaves exactly the
same as the Exim 3 configuration it reads."

Re: [console-data] upgrade problem in preconfigure

[Jesus Climent]

On Fri, Dec 06, 2002 at 11:29:37PM +, Alastair McKinstry wrote:
> Oops. Yes, I did. I don't understand why it should hang; I'll log it as
> a bug and investigate. Might it be due to what you installed next? (I
> can't reproduce it yet; any further info would help).

Something similar happens to me when creating a pbuilder environment
using sid a the --distribution target.

HTH

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Re: private debian pools

[Roland Mas]

Brian May (2002-12-07 16:36:58 +1100) :

> I have a set of scripts for creating private debian package pools,
> available at:

Wonderful.  We now have two tools providing almost the same
functionality, except only one does package pools (bin2) and only one
is mature (mini-dinstall, by Colin Walters).  Could we possibly hope
for a merger of those two?  I'd very much like to have a pool-aware
mini-dinstall...

Roland.
-- 
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Sauvez une souris, mangez votre chat.

Re: [console-data] upgrade problem in preconfigure

[Junichi Uekawa]

At Sun, 8 Dec 2002 13:28:37 +0100,
Jesus Climent wrote:

> On Fri, Dec 06, 2002 at 11:29:37PM +, Alastair McKinstry wrote:
> > Oops. Yes, I did. I don't understand why it should hang; I'll log it as
> > a bug and investigate. Might it be due to what you installed next? (I
> > can't reproduce it yet; any further info would help).
> 
> Something similar happens to me when creating a pbuilder environment
> using sid a the --distribution target.
> 

running debootstrap under X seems to wreck the current keymap as well,
which seems to get fixed when I switch VTs.


Something funny is going on when console tools is installed with
some noninteractive setup (debootstrap installs with 
noninteractive debconf frontend)


regards,
junichi

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Pre-linux Windows program - was Re: bill gates Linux

[John Lines]

Reading the thread on installation from Windows - one thing which might help
new Linux users would be a program which they ran from Windows before they
started, which would record all the things Windows knows about their system
which will be required by a Linux installation.

This could include information on the hardware, such as graphics cards, and
some things related to the user, such as language settings and time zones.

These could be written to a floppy and used to supply the information which
Debian Installer will need (a bit like a RedHat Kickstart floppy)


John Lines

Re: Bug#172158: ITP: rsxs -- Really Slick X Screensavers

[Marcelo E. Magallon]

On Sun, Dec 08, 2002 at 04:49:10AM -0500, Ari Pollak wrote:

 > I suppose it would be possible to just include the binaries without
 > touching the XScreenSaver config file but instead including
 > instructions on including it on a user-specific basis, but I don't
 > know how well the changes would transfer between XScreensaver
 > versions.

 Simplest hack I can think of: modify xscreensaver to be able to include
 configuration files from the main configuration file and use menu to
 register new screensavers.  Something like:

?package(rss):needs=xscreensaver \
section="Come up with something for this field" \
title="Sky Rocket" \
visual="GL" \
command="/usr/lib/xscreensaver/skyrocket"

 and there you go.  You write a menu-method, run menu and you have an
 up-to-date list of installed screensavers.

 The problem is basically xscreensaver's configuration file.  I have
 considered a number of options to solve this.  For example, you could
 modify xscreensaver to read "info files" for each screensaver.  In
 those info files it would say, for example, if the program requires a
 GL visual or not.  But they could be more flexible than that.  They
 could document options, which could in turn be used for the
 configuration part of xscreensaver.  xscreensaver would then store the
 list of "active" screensavers, instead of that ugly block in the config
 file which mixes state with options with visuals with ...

 It's dormant project of mine to take xscreensaver appart and write a
 library that people can use to write screensavers for xscreensaver (and
 whatever else -- but I'm only interested in xscreensaver really).
 xscreensaver has some requirements (specific command line options,
 specific behaviour regarding visuals, ...) and the code is _horribly_
 duplicated across screensavers.  The GL screensavers in particular
 reinvent a (non-trivial to some degree) wheel way too often.

 But this will remain dormant until ... well, I don't know for how long,
 really.  Perhaps someone will read this and go ahead with it :-)

-- 
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started to make changelogs and copyright file online available

[Noèl Köthe]

Hello,

I started to make the changelog and copyright file of the Debian
packages online available at:

http://changelogs.credativ.org/

Its just a first run with daily updates of new uploaded packages (for
example apt-src and kernel-image-2.4.20 today).

I have to work on it (remove old versions because they are included in
newer versions, but still have packages from proposed-updates available;
debian-non-US;..) so it could be included in packages.debian.org
sometimes.:)

-- 
NoÃl KÃthe

Re: private debian pools

[Fabio Massimo Di Nitto]

On Sun, 8 Dec 2002, Roland Mas wrote:

> Brian May (2002-12-07 16:36:58 +1100) :
>
> > I have a set of scripts for creating private debian package pools,
> > available at:
>
> Wonderful.  We now have two tools providing almost the same
> functionality, except only one does package pools (bin2) and only one
> is mature (mini-dinstall, by Colin Walters).  Could we possibly hope
> for a merger of those two?  I'd very much like to have a pool-aware
> mini-dinstall...

Why noone have ever packaged the actual debian set of scritps for
handling archives instead? as you can see by yourself there are a lot of
private repositories laying here and there (http://www.apt-get.org as
mentioned in one of the last DWN), and i know for sure that Brian is not
the only that will benefit from such scripts. I also had to write my own
to  handle my archive since i was not really satisfied with the others.
To who should the request be addressed? ftp masters? I offer volunteer to
pkg them in case, but since Im still not a d-d i can't access them
frequently to follow their evolution in time.

Fabio

Re: started to make changelogs and copyright file online available

[Colin Watson]

On Sun, Dec 08, 2002 at 03:33:10PM +0100, No?l K?the wrote:
> I started to make the changelog and copyright file of the Debian
> packages online available at:
> 
>   http://changelogs.credativ.org/

We should be able to start using the lintian lab on gluck for this again
now that lintian is running regularly, shouldn't we?

-- 
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Re: Pre-linux Windows program - was Re: bill gates Linux

[Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder]

On Sun, 2002-12-08 at 15:25, John Lines wrote:
> Reading the thread on installation from Windows - one thing which might help
> new Linux users would be a program which they ran from Windows before they
> started, which would record all the things Windows knows about their system
> which will be required by a Linux installation.
> 
> This could include information on the hardware, such as graphics cards, and
> some things related to the user, such as language settings and time zones

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Re: Pre-linux Windows program - was Re: bill gates Linux

[Damian M Gryski]

On Sun, 08 Dec 2002, John Lines wrote:
> Reading the thread on installation from Windows - one thing which might help
> new Linux users would be a program which they ran from Windows before they
> started, which would record all the things Windows knows about their system
> which will be required by a Linux installation.
> 
> This could include information on the hardware, such as graphics cards, and
> some things related to the user, such as language settings and time zones.
> 
> These could be written to a floppy and used to supply the information which
> Debian Installer will need (a bit like a RedHat Kickstart floppy)

   IIRC, the Corel Linux installer did something like this.  Since
   they sold the rights to Xandros, I assume the Xandros installer
   does the same thing.

   Damian

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Re: Pre-linux Windows program - was Re: bill gates Linux

[Emile van Bergen]

Hi,

On Sun, Dec 08, 2002 at 02:25:19PM +, John Lines wrote:

> Reading the thread on installation from Windows - one thing which might help
> new Linux users would be a program which they ran from Windows before they
> started, which would record all the things Windows knows about their system
> which will be required by a Linux installation.
> 
> This could include information on the hardware, such as graphics cards, and
> some things related to the user, such as language settings and time zones.
> 
> These could be written to a floppy and used to supply the information which
> Debian Installer will need (a bit like a RedHat Kickstart floppy)

Another idea: why not support an installation in an ext2 filesystem
which is really a big file on a Windows VFAT partition, mounted using a
loopback device? That would do away with all the partitioning; that
would only be needed when the user wants to get rid of the relatively
minor performance penalty of the extra FS layer.

Can Linux work with a loopback root fs, using initrd to set it up?

Cheers,


Emile.

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Re: Pre-linux Windows program - was Re: bill gates Linux

[Richard Braakman]

On Sun, Dec 08, 2002 at 04:22:52PM +0100, Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder 
wrote:
> Hmmm, ok, on 2nd thought there's modems, printers, and old ISA cards.
> Anything else?

What about configurations for IP, DNS, mail and news?  I don't see why
it would be limited to hardware detection.

Richard Braakman

Re: Problem with kdenetwork build for unstable

[Scott James Remnant]

On Sat, 2002-12-07 at 20:39, Martin Schulze wrote:

> Guillem Jover wrote:
> 
> > Uhh, admin/Makefile.common is checking for '#MIN_CONFIG' in the first two
> > lines to include there admin/configure.in.min.
> 
> I'd love to have it work but now the build complains about:
> 
> make[1]: Entering directory `/tmp/joey/kdenetwork-2.2.2'
> *** Creating acinclude.m4
> make[2]: Entering directory `/tmp/joey/kdenetwork-2.2.2'
> make[2]: Leaving directory `/tmp/joey/kdenetwork-2.2.2'
> !!! If you get recursion errors from autoconf, it is advisable to set the
> environment variable M4 to something including "--nesting-limit=500"
> *** Creating list of subdirectories
> make[2]: Entering directory `/tmp/joey/kdenetwork-2.2.2'
> make[3]: Entering directory `/tmp/joey/kdenetwork-2.2.2'
> make[3]: Leaving directory `/tmp/joey/kdenetwork-2.2.2'
> make[2]: Leaving directory `/tmp/joey/kdenetwork-2.2.2'
> *** Creating configure.in
> make[2]: Entering directory `/tmp/joey/kdenetwork-2.2.2'
> make[3]: Entering directory `/tmp/joey/kdenetwork-2.2.2'
> make[3]: Leaving directory `/tmp/joey/kdenetwork-2.2.2'
> make[2]: Leaving directory `/tmp/joey/kdenetwork-2.2.2'
> *** Creating aclocal.m4
> *** Creating configure
> autoconf: Undefined macros:
> configure.in:22:AC_LANG_PUSH(C)
> configure.in:24:AC_LANG_POP
> make[1]: *** [cvs] Error 1
> make[1]: Leaving directory `/tmp/joey/kdenetwork-2.2.2'
> make: *** [build-stamp] Error 2
> 
You're using autoconf2.13 aren't you -- autoconf2.50 doesn't have that
"Undefined macros" output.

autoconf2.13 doesn't have the AC_LANG_PUSH or AC_LANG_POP macros.

Scott
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project: vitual partial mirror with CGI/dpkg-repack

[Bill Allombert]

Hello developers,
this is a small project proposal.

The idea would be to write a cgi-script that automatically dpkg-repack the
package it is asked to deliver, so that we can build a virtual apt-get'able
partial mirror of the package installed on the box.

This would allow to upgrade a box from an already installed one without
any media.

I will not do it myself since I know nothing about CGI programming,
but I thing it could be fun and useful.

Cheers,
-- 
Bill. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

There is no record of the [EMAIL PROTECTED] package, and no bugs have been
filed against it.

Re: Pre-linux Windows program - was Re: bill gates Linux

[bob parker]

On Mon, 9 Dec 2002 02:30, Emile van Bergen wrote:

> Another idea: why not support an installation in an ext2 filesystem
> which is really a big file on a Windows VFAT partition, mounted using a
> loopback device? That would do away with all the partitioning; that
> would only be needed when the user wants to get rid of the relatively
> minor performance penalty of the extra FS layer.
>
> Can Linux work with a loopback root fs, using initrd to set it up?
>
> Cheers,

Actually I think Mandrake might do something roughly like that if you use
the "easy" option rather than "expert" mode. After an easy mode 
installation it takes a wet week to do anything at all (on a Pentium 233 box).

The same distro on the same box is quite quick after a so called expert
mode install.

Bob

Re: Pre-linux Windows program - was Re: bill gates Linux

[Richard Braakman]

On Sun, Dec 08, 2002 at 04:30:10PM +0100, Emile van Bergen wrote:
> Another idea: why not support an installation in an ext2 filesystem
> which is really a big file on a Windows VFAT partition, mounted using a
> loopback device? That would do away with all the partitioning; that
> would only be needed when the user wants to get rid of the relatively
> minor performance penalty of the extra FS layer.

Are VFAT partitions still common?  I thought Windows 2000 and XP both
used NTFS by default.  And last time I tried (about a year ago, I think)
mounting NTFS read-write on Linux was still flaky.

I also question whether the performance penalty would be "relatively minor",
especially if you treat the swap device the same way.  But that can be
measured.  If it's significant, then I think this option should not be
encouraged, because it would give Linux an undeserved bad name among
precisely the people we hope to convert.

Richard Braakman

Kernel update for Debian 3.0/i386

[Martin Schulze]

An up-to-date version is at .

For the first update to woody the 2.2 and 2.4 kernel should be
updated.  In order to install a new one, an older one has to be removed,
so the archive doesn't explode and CDs are still buildable.

Hence, I propose the following actions:

install kernel-image-2.2.22-i386
remove  kernel-image-2.2.20-i386

install kernel-source-2.2.22
remove  kernel-source-2.2.20

install pcmcia-modules-2.2.22-idepci
remove  pcmcia-modules-2.2.20-idepci
install pcmcia-modules-2.2.22-compact
remove  pcmcia-modules-2.2.20-compact
install pcmcia-modules-2.2.22_3.1.33-6k1
remove  pcmcia-modules-2.2.20_3.1.33-6k5

There is no pcmcia-modules-2.2.22-reiserfs, which looks like an
oversight to me.

install kernel-image-2.4.19-i386
remove  kernel-image-2.4.16-i386
remove  kernel-image-2.4.18-i386

install kernel-source-2.4.19
remove  kernel-source-2.4.16
remove  kernel-source-2.4.18

Please shout if something is wrong with this.

The relevant .changes files are stored on auric in the directory
/org/ftp-master.debian.org/ftp/dists/proposed-updates

Regards,

Joey

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Re: Pre-linux Windows program - was Re: bill gates Linux

[Daniel Burrows]

On Sun, Dec 08, 2002 at 07:04:46PM +0200, Richard Braakman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
was heard to say:
> On Sun, Dec 08, 2002 at 04:30:10PM +0100, Emile van Bergen wrote:
> > Another idea: why not support an installation in an ext2 filesystem
> > which is really a big file on a Windows VFAT partition, mounted using a
> > loopback device? That would do away with all the partitioning; that
> > would only be needed when the user wants to get rid of the relatively
> > minor performance penalty of the extra FS layer.
> 
> Are VFAT partitions still common?  I thought Windows 2000 and XP both
> used NTFS by default.  And last time I tried (about a year ago, I think)
> mounting NTFS read-write on Linux was still flaky.

  That may be true, but most of the Windows users I know still have a 95
variant on their computer.

  Daniel

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Re: description writing guide

[Steve Greenland]

On 07-Dec-02, 16:05 (CST), David B Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> On Sat, 7 Dec 2002 11:51:03 +0100
> Martin Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > It is a bad practice to repeat the package name as the first word in
> > the long description.  
> 
> Why is that again?

Because anything[1] that displays the long description also displays the
package name right next to it. (Althought I think putting in the long
description is less of a problem than in the short description, which is
often displayed in situations of limited space.)

Steve

[1] Ignoring special cases like dpkg-grep-available, or whatever it's
called.

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system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the
world.   -- seen on the net

Re: account on IA-64 sought.

[Bdale Garbee]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Martin Schulze) writes:

>12. http://testdrive.hp.com/

Yes, this can be a good resource.  I also invite anyone working on ia64 
porting issues to the #debian-ia64 channel on irc.debian.org.  There is very 
little activity visible there, but people who can help are often lurking...

Bdale

Re: Pre-linux Windows program - was Re: bill gates Linux

[Steve Langasek]

On Sun, Dec 08, 2002 at 02:25:19PM +, John Lines wrote:
> Reading the thread on installation from Windows - one thing which might help
> new Linux users would be a program which they ran from Windows before they
> started, which would record all the things Windows knows about their system
> which will be required by a Linux installation.

> This could include information on the hardware, such as graphics cards, and
> some things related to the user, such as language settings and time zones.

> These could be written to a floppy and used to supply the information which
> Debian Installer will need (a bit like a RedHat Kickstart floppy)

Why make it a separate program that runs under Windows?  Why not mount
the Windows partition from the Linux installer, and read the registry
from there?

-- 
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Re: guaranteed non-interactive installation and upgrades

[Steve Langasek]

On Sun, Dec 08, 2002 at 11:06:19AM +0100, Andreas Metzler wrote:
> Colin Walters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Sat, 2002-12-07 at 14:23, Bastian Blank wrote:
> >> On Sat, Dec 07, 2002 at 01:44:31PM -0500, Colin Walters wrote:
> >> > And we could fix the exim issue by switching to Postfix as the default
> >> > MTA...
> >> 
> >> the sollution is not to use other packages, it is fixing the packages.

> > But no one has shown any interest in fixing exim.
> [...]

> Hello,
> The packaging of Exim's new major version (v4) will use debconf, the
> preliminary test packages already do.

> Because the configuration file format has changed in a fundamental
> way, the configuration cannot be converted automatically[1] and Exim
> v4 comes as new packages (exim4-base+exim4-daemon-something) and not
> as upgrade for Exim v3.
>cu andreas
> [1] convert4r4 can try but: "The output file MUST be checked and
> tested before trying to use it on a live system. The conversion script
> is just an aid which does a lot of the "grunt work". It does not
> guarantee to produce an Exim 4 configuration that behaves exactly the
> same as the Exim 3 configuration it reads."

Perhaps the best path here would be to run convert4r4 on upgrade, and
then invoke the debconf questions afterwards to allow appropriate
customization and let the user know it should be checked over?  This is
probably only possible if exim4 is presented as a proper upgrade to exim
v3 instead of a separate package, however.

-- 
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postmodern programmer


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Re: private debian pools

[Joel Baker]

On Sun, Dec 08, 2002 at 02:03:44PM +0100, Roland Mas wrote:
> Brian May (2002-12-07 16:36:58 +1100) :
> 
> > I have a set of scripts for creating private debian package pools,
> > available at:
> 
> Wonderful.  We now have two tools providing almost the same
> functionality, except only one does package pools (bin2) and only one
> is mature (mini-dinstall, by Colin Walters).  Could we possibly hope
> for a merger of those two?  I'd very much like to have a pool-aware
> mini-dinstall...

And don't forget debarchiver, which doesn't (yet) support pools, but is in
use in a number of places for doing old-style archives, too.

I'd honestly prefer to see the actual archive scripts (The One True
Archiving Tools, of which all others must, by definition, be emulations)
packaged and useable by mere mortals, but the last I'd heard, this was a
long way off, and not terribly high on most priority lists.
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Re: project: vitual partial mirror with CGI/dpkg-repack

[Robin Putters]

> The idea would be to write a cgi-script that automatically dpkg-repack the
> package it is asked to deliver, so that we can build a virtual apt-get'able
> partial mirror of the package installed on the box.
> 
> This would allow to upgrade a box from an already installed one without
> any media.
> 
> I will not do it myself since I know nothing about CGI programming,
> but I thing it could be fun and useful.
> 
> 

What's wrong with apt-proxy?

Re: Pre-linux Windows program - was Re: bill gates Linux

[Emile van Bergen]

Hi,

On Sun, Dec 08, 2002 at 11:31:11AM -0600, Steve Langasek wrote:

> Why make it a separate program that runs under Windows?  Why not mount
> the Windows partition from the Linux installer, and read the registry
> from there?

Because it's easier for Windows to read its own registry and write a
portable ASCII file than it is for Linux, as you'd have to implement a
'fs' driver for it. Not that I think this is all necessarily a good idea
though.

Before you know, people will go back to Windows to change their IP
address in Linux because they don't know how to do it there.

Cheers,


Emile.

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Re: guaranteed non-interactive installation and upgrades

[Andreas Metzler]

Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 08, 2002 at 11:06:19AM +0100, Andreas Metzler wrote:
[...]
>> The packaging of Exim's new major version (v4) will use debconf, the
>> preliminary test packages already do.

>> Because the configuration file format has changed in a fundamental
>> way, the configuration cannot be converted automatically[1] and Exim
>> v4 comes as new packages (exim4-base+exim4-daemon-something) and not
>> as upgrade for Exim v3.
[...]

> Perhaps the best path here would be to run convert4r4 on upgrade, and
> then invoke the debconf questions afterwards to allow appropriate
> customization and let the user know it should be checked over?

Hello,
No, not really. We did not write a complete parser for exim
configuration files that takes any given more or less valid
exim4-configuration file (=the result of convert4r4) and puts it in
debconf. exim4.conf is basically constructed from two parts, an easily
parseable debconf-managed part and a dpkg-conffile holding the common
parts.

I know this is a very crude description, if you want to take a closer
look get exim4_4.10.13{orig.tar,-0.0.4.diff}.gz from
http://www.logic.univie.ac.at/~ametzler/debian/exim4manpages/

There might come an addition to the config script that takes a look at
the installed exim.conf from exim3, and tries to extract the answers
given to eximconfig that generated this file and puts these in the
exim4-debconf-db, so that all/most questions would be preanswered.

> This is
> probably only possible if exim4 is presented as a proper upgrade to exim
> v3 instead of a separate package, however.

If you uninstalled exim (instead of purged) before installing exim4,
switching would be easy once the exim3-parsing was installed.
 cu andreas
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Bug#172241: ITP: cl-sdl -- Common Lisp bindings to the SDL graphics library

[Matthew Danish]

Package: wnpp
Version: N/A; reported 2002-12-08
Severity: wishlist

* Package name: cl-sdl
  Version : 0.1.0
  Upstream Author : Matthew Danish, Timo Tossavainen
* URL : http://cl-sdl.sourceforge.net/
* License : MIT/X style
  Description : Common Lisp bindings to the SDL graphics library

 Provides a foreign-function interface, using UFFI, to the
 cross-platform Simple Directmedia Layer graphics and game library.

Re: Kernel update for Debian 3.0/i386

[Eduard Bloch]

#include 
* Martin Schulze [Sun, Dec 08 2002, 06:06:42PM]:

> There is no pcmcia-modules-2.2.22-reiserfs, which looks like an
> oversight to me.

AFAIK kernel-image-2.2.*-reiserfs is abandoned so do not wonder.

Gruss/Regards,
Eduard.
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Re: Pre-linux Windows program - was Re: bill gates Linux

[Steve Langasek]

On Sun, Dec 08, 2002 at 07:08:17PM +0100, Emile van Bergen wrote:

> On Sun, Dec 08, 2002 at 11:31:11AM -0600, Steve Langasek wrote:

> > Why make it a separate program that runs under Windows?  Why not mount
> > the Windows partition from the Linux installer, and read the registry
> > from there?

> Because it's easier for Windows to read its own registry and write a
> portable ASCII file than it is for Linux, as you'd have to implement a
> 'fs' driver for it. Not that I think this is all necessarily a good idea
> though.

Actually, I would find it significantly easier to borrow code from Wine
to do registry parsing and run a tool against a Windows partition
mounted read-only to extract the information we need, than I would to
write a Windows application to do roughly the same thing.

> Before you know, people will go back to Windows to change their IP
> address in Linux because they don't know how to do it there.

Well, since debconf is not a registry, that would be a little difficult,
wouldn't it?

-- 
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Re: project: vitual partial mirror with CGI/dpkg-repack

[Bill Allombert]

On Sun, Dec 08, 2002 at 07:05:16PM +0100, Robin Putters wrote:
> > The idea would be to write a cgi-script that automatically dpkg-repack the
> > package it is asked to deliver, so that we can build a virtual apt-get'able
> > partial mirror of the package installed on the box.
> > 
> > This would allow to upgrade a box from an already installed one without
> > any media.
> > 
> > I will not do it myself since I know nothing about CGI programming,
> > but I thing it could be fun and useful.
> > 
> What's wrong with apt-proxy?

You need access to an archive to build your local proxy and also this take 
lots of disk-space.

With dpkg-repack, you just need to have the package installed, you do not
need to have it in the apt cache in particular.

If you want to update a dozen of random packages, it is tedious to do
dpkg-repack manually, but it is a waste to maintain a *real* partial mirror for
that.

Cheers,
-- 
Bill. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

There is no record of the [EMAIL PROTECTED] package, and no bugs have been
filed against it.

Re: started to make changelogs and copyright file online available

[Josip Rodin]

On Sun, Dec 08, 2002 at 02:49:50PM +, Colin Watson wrote:
> > I started to make the changelog and copyright file of the Debian
> > packages online available at:
> > 
> > http://changelogs.credativ.org/
> 
> We should be able to start using the lintian lab on gluck for this again
> now that lintian is running regularly, shouldn't we?

You still have to extract the files from the lab and save them someplace
else, though, as the harness script removes old stuff on the next run.
(Not quite sure what it removes, yet. :)

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Re: bill gates linux

[Ben Collins]

>  1/ we don't want to have to know the technical
>  details of how to get to the step4/ above (in the
>  given table above).
>  2/we want one of the following:-
>  A/ to be able to insert a floppy disk into
>  our "a" drive , turn on the computer,
> the computer then loads DOS or whatever
>  and eventually after enough time and floppys
>  have been fead into the drive we see an
>   up and running version of Linux.
>  or:.. B/ turn on the computer with a floppy
>   disk "a" which then prompts for a cd-rom
>which then loads a version of Linux.
>  or:..c/ option 3 would be to allow Windows to
>   to boot up and click on a cd-rom drive.
>and then the program on the cd would modify
> my computer so that Windows and Linux

Damn you are a troll. Did you not believe everyone when they told you
this already exists today? Download the Debian install CD, insert it,
and do the install. If you want super ease of install, get a commerical
dist. It will install along side of Windows and you can boot either one.

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Re: project: vitual partial mirror with CGI/dpkg-repack

[Wouter Verhelst]

On Sun, Dec 08, 2002 at 05:30:13PM +0100, Bill Allombert wrote:
> I will not do it myself since I know nothing about CGI programming,

CGI programming is easy to learn ;-)

CGI scripts or programs get whatever the client sends on his URL,
starting after the '?' as a parameter, receive on their stdin whatever a
client sends using an HTTP PUT statement, and send the HTML and, if
necessary, extra HTTP headers to their stdout. That's it.

-- 
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  -- From the movie "Antitrust"

Re: private debian pools

[Marc Haber]

On Sun, 8 Dec 2002 15:38:26 +0100 (CET), Fabio Massimo Di Nitto
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Why noone have ever packaged the actual debian set of scritps for
>handling archives instead?

Have you ever looked at katie, jenna and the other girls? They can do
magic, 99 % of which unneeded in the case of simple private archives.

Some time, I will publish my scripts.

Greetings
Marc

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Re: private debian pools

[Nick Phillips]

On Monday, December 9, 2002, at 06:41  am, Joel Baker wrote:
I'd honestly prefer to see the actual archive scripts (The One True
Archiving Tools, of which all others must, by definition, be 
emulations)
packaged and useable by mere mortals, but the last I'd heard, this was 
a
long way off, and not terribly high on most priority lists.
/me wonders whether some concept of namespaces in package names would 
be useful before we make it too easy for world + dog to run large 
repositories of .debs - Ximian was bad enough on its own, last I had to 
recover a system from someone using it... I dread to think how many 
versions of things like libgtksomeguicrapthatkeepsmakingabichanges
(all mutually conflicting, and all required by something you *really 
need*) we'll end up with if people are easily able to maintain separate 
repositories.


Cheers,
Nick

Re: project: vitual partial mirror with CGI/dpkg-repack

[Colin Watson]

On Sun, Dec 08, 2002 at 09:26:55PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 08, 2002 at 05:30:13PM +0100, Bill Allombert wrote:
> > I will not do it myself since I know nothing about CGI programming,
> 
> CGI programming is easy to learn ;-)
> 
> CGI scripts or programs get whatever the client sends on his URL,
> starting after the '?' as a parameter,

Not as a parameter - in the QUERY_STRING environment variable.

  http://hoohoo.ncsa.uiuc.edu/cgi/interface.html

> and send the HTML and, if necessary, extra HTTP headers to their
> stdout.

They do need to output at least some HTTP headers, often just
"Content-Type: foo/bar\n\n".

-- 
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Re: Bug#172189: ITP: openscenegraph -- C++/OpenGL based graphics development library.

[Joshua Haberman]

* Hugo van der Merwe ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Package: wnpp
> Version: unavailable; reported 2002-12-06
> Severity: wishlist
> 
> * Package name: openscenegraph
>   Version : 0.9.2
>   Upstream Author : Robert Osfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> * URL : http://www.openscenegraph.org/
> * License : LGPL
>   Description : C++/OpenGL based graphics development library.
> 
>  The OpenSceneGraph is an Open Source (LGPL), Cross Platform (Windows,
>  Linux, Mac OSX, FreeBSD, Irix, Solaris), Standard C++ and OpenGL based
>  graphics development library. Uses range from visual simulation,
>  games, virtual reality, scientific visualization and graphics
>  research.

Between reading this description and reading the website, I still have
no idea what this library actually DOES.  I've done a fair amount of
OpenGL programming, so I should have enough background knowledge to
know what this library does by reading the description.

That it is a "graphics development library" tells me nothing.  Just spit
it out!  Something like "whereas OpenGL deals only with individual
polygons, OpenSceneGraph allows you to render a group of 3d models that
comprise an entire 'scene.'  It handles details such as backface culling
and shading that a 3d renderer would usually have to handle manually."
If that's what it actually does (I'm still not entirely sure).

Josh

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Bug#172271: ITP: japana -- HTTP proxy converting Japanese characters into ASCII

[Christian Garbs]

Package: wnpp
Version: N/A; reported 2002-12-08
Severity: wishlist

* Package name: japana
  Version : 2.0.2-5
  Upstream Author : Christian Garbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
* URL : http://www.h.shuttle.de/mitch/japana.en.html
* License : (GPL, LGPL, BSD, MIT/X, etc.)
  Description : HTTP proxy converting Japanese characters into ASCII

japana is a small and simple proxy written in Perl.  The proxy
converts Japanese characters (Hiragana, Katakana, Kanji etc.) into
ASCII (Romaji) on the fly.  The conversion is done using the KAKASI
library.

The debian packages are already finished and available at the given
URL.  I've sent a RFS to debian-mentors on Dec 07.

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Re: Pre-linux Windows program - was Re: bill gates Linux

[Richard Atterer]

On Sun, Dec 08, 2002 at 07:04:46PM +0200, Richard Braakman wrote:
> Are VFAT partitions still common? I thought Windows 2000 and XP both
> used NTFS by default. And last time I tried (about a year ago, I
> think) mounting NTFS read-write on Linux was still flaky.

But ISTR that _file_overwrite_ support for NTFS now works, to allow
precisely the sort of loopback installation we're talking about!

Cheers,

  Richard

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Problems with XFS patch and SMP

[Bob Hilliard]

 Bug#171943 reports that dictd 1.8.0 fails to start with the
following error message:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ /usr/sbin/dictd -d nofork
:I: 2535 starting dictd 1.8.0/rf on Linux 2.4.19-xfs Tue Dec  3 23:43:09 2002
dictd (dict_index_open): Cannot mmap index file "/dev/null(dict_index_open) 
Cannot mmap index file "/dev/nulldict_index_open: No such device
(dict_index_open) dict_index_open: No such device

 I have not experienced any problems with this version in woody,
sarge or sid, using a 2.4.18 kernel, and I have not received any other
similar bug reports.

 The reporter is running a 2.4.19 kernel with the XFS patch and
SMP support.  Are there any known issues with the XFS patch and SMP
support that could contribute to this problem?

 Is anyone running dictd with a 2.4.19 kernel with the XFS patch and
SMP support?

Regards,

Bob
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What should go into "How Software Producers can distribute their products directly in .deb format"?

[Aaron Isotton]

Hi,

(sorry for the overlong subject).

I originally sent this to debian-doc but I got no answers, so I
thought I'd post it here too.

I'm interested in writing the "How Software Producers can distribute
their products directly in .deb format" manual, as listed on
http://www.debian.org/doc/devel-manuals.  I thought to write the
following, more or less:

- First, consider the license of your product.  If it's
  DFSG-Compatible and of general interest, consider adding it to
  debian/main.  That'd be the best solution because of all the things
  like the BTS and the worldwide mirrors.  Or, if you don't want to do
  it yourself, ask for a packager on the mailing lists.

- If it's not DFSG-Compatible, but of general interest and you'd want
  it into debian, consider adding it to debian/non-free.  Or even
  better changing the license.

- Otherwise, read the New Maintainer's Guide / Debian Policy and all
  the other relevant docs.  Make a package using the normal debian
  tools, check it with lintian, try it, whatever.  There are a few
  "special" issues, though.  Unstable and testing are changing all the
  time; a closed-source package which isn't updated too often would
  probably quite soon get uninstallable because of some unsatisfied
  dependencies or break somehow.  Thus, build your package for stable,
  but do not use strictly versioned dependencies (i.e., require an
  exact version), but only >= dependencies.  So there's chance that
  it'll be installable/run also on testing and unstable.

- Consider putting fast-changing libraries/programs into your package
  instead of depending on the ones shipped with debian.  They could be
  installed into /usr/lib//.

- If you've got only few and/or seldom updated programs, shipping the
  .debs will probably do.  If you've got many and/or often updated
  programs, or just want to be cool, consider setting up your own
  package repository.

This is the basic idea for packages which can be adapted to the FHS in
a reasonable way; but for some really large, closed-source and older
programs that might be too difficult; it would probably be much easier
to put them into their "own" directory, with their own bin, lib, and
whatever other folders they need.  I know that isn't the "proper" way
to do it, but I'd prefer some program to be installed in this impure
way than overwriting some other files or sprinkling the file system
with mysterious configuration and cache files.  Or maybe it'd be
better to create directories such as /usr/bin//,
/usr/lib/ and so on.  I'm not too sure about this,
though.  Any ideas?

Anything wrong with this?  Improvements?  Comments?  Criticism?
Thanks.

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Re: private debian pools

[Fabio Massimo Di Nitto]

> On Sun, 8 Dec 2002 15:38:26 +0100 (CET), Fabio Massimo Di Nitto
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Why noone have ever packaged the actual debian set of scritps for
> >handling archives instead?
>
> Have you ever looked at katie, jenna and the other girls? They can do
> magic, 99 % of which unneeded in the case of simple private archives.

Not everyone run simple archive. Mine is quite complex and I have to do
most of the work by hand to keep it going.

>
> Some time, I will publish my scripts.

So here is another piece of duplicate work, isn't it? not to blame anyone
of course but it just confirm what I wrote before. People would like to
have a common and sane way of building private archive.

Regards
Fabio

Re: private debian pools

[Fabio Massimo Di Nitto]

On Mon, 9 Dec 2002, Nick Phillips wrote:

>
> /me wonders whether some concept of namespaces in package names would
> be useful before we make it too easy for world + dog to run large
> repositories of .debs - Ximian was bad enough on its own, last I had to
> recover a system from someone using it... I dread to think how many
> versions of things like libgtksomeguicrapthatkeepsmakingabichanges
> (all mutually conflicting, and all required by something you *really
> need*) we'll end up with if people are easily able to maintain separate
> repositories.

I do not agree with you for different reasons. First of all noone forces
people to add private archives to their sources.list. If users do that
they should know that things can break more easily. Sometimes private
archive are really usefull for pre-testing pkgs before they enter debian.

Cheers
Fabio

[Testing] Why isn't a52dec updating

[Mikael Hedin]

I see that the testing scripts are running again.  Now I wonder why
a52dec isn't going in.  In update_output.txt I find 

trying: a52dec
skipped: a52dec (1014+21)
got: 4+0: a-4
* alpha: ogle, ogle-gui

which I read as if the new a52dec entered testing, ogle would be
uninstallable.  The old ogle (now in testing) depends on liba52-0.7.3,
from the source a52dec now in testing.  The new ogle depends on
liba52-0.7.4, produced by the new a52dec source.

Was it a mistake to call the source a52dec?  Would a52dec-0.7.4 etc be
better?

Would the new a52dec source in testing remove the liba52-0.7.3 binary
package produced from the old one?  

But then, could not a52dec and ogle enter testing at the same time?

TIA,

Micce

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Re: private debian pools

[Philip Charles]

On Sun, 8 Dec 2002, Joel Baker wrote:

> On Sun, Dec 08, 2002 at 02:03:44PM +0100, Roland Mas wrote:
> > Brian May (2002-12-07 16:36:58 +1100) :
> >
> > > I have a set of scripts for creating private debian package pools,
> > > available at:
> >
> > Wonderful.  We now have two tools providing almost the same
> > functionality, except only one does package pools (bin2) and only one
> > is mature (mini-dinstall, by Colin Walters).  Could we possibly hope
> > for a merger of those two?  I'd very much like to have a pool-aware
> > mini-dinstall...
>
> And don't forget debarchiver, which doesn't (yet) support pools, but is in
> use in a number of places for doing old-style archives, too.
>
> I'd honestly prefer to see the actual archive scripts (The One True
> Archiving Tools, of which all others must, by definition, be emulations)
> packaged and useable by mere mortals, but the last I'd heard, this was a
> long way off, and not terribly high on most priority lists.

I also maintain my own archive and have developed a rether crazy set of
scripts to mainain it.

Phil.

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Re: started to make changelogs and copyright file online available

[tomas pospisek]

On 8 Dec 2002, Noèl Köthe wrote:

> I started to make the changelog and copyright file of the Debian
> packages online

Ah! Wondeful. Would be nice to have it integrated in the frontends ... "do
I want/need to update this to the latest unstable version yet - let's
check the changelog ..."?

Very nice!
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Re: private debian pools

[Brian May]

On Sun, Dec 08, 2002 at 02:03:44PM +0100, Roland Mas wrote:
> Wonderful.  We now have two tools providing almost the same
> functionality, except only one does package pools (bin2) and only one
> is mature (mini-dinstall, by Colin Walters).  Could we possibly hope
> for a merger of those two?  I'd very much like to have a pool-aware
> mini-dinstall...

When I last looked at mini-dinstall it didn't seem to try to cater for
many of the tasks required for pools, because it doesn't appear to
support pools.

eg. with pools you need tools to install packages, maintain multiple
Packages files for different areas (at or least thats functionality I
need), etc.
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Re: private debian pools

[Brian May]

On Sun, Dec 08, 2002 at 09:19:52PM +0100, Marc Haber wrote:
> Have you ever looked at katie, jenna and the other girls? They can do
> magic, 99 % of which unneeded in the case of simple private archives.

I looked at katie; it seemed to be a complicated and undocumented mess
that was a total overkill for my purpose (eg. I don't need a database).

I couldn't even guess where I was suppost to start.

Also I didn't want to interfere with Debian in anyway, eg. by accidently
announcing package uploads to the Debian mailing lists and/or closing
other peoples bugs when all I did was upload it to my private archive.

What is jenna though? I see "she" is also in the CVS checkout I did ages
ago. I may be daft or something, but these names mean absolutely nothing
to be when I am trying to get a given task done.

Maybe one day these tools will get better documented, I will be
willing to setup a database to manage them. Then I probably should also
be able to do cool things like have uploads that fix bigs add to the bug
report "this bug has been fixed in the version in my private archive,
see http://.../... for details", for instance.
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Re: private debian pools

[Nick Phillips]

On Monday, December 9, 2002, at 10:48  am, Fabio Massimo Di Nitto wrote:
I do not agree with you for different reasons. First of all noone 
forces
people to add private archives to their sources.list. If users do that
they should know that things can break more easily. Sometimes private
archive are really usefull for pre-testing pkgs before they enter 
debian.
And sometimes third-party archives are useful because a third party has 
the resources and inclination to look after something we don't (yet).

Are you seriously saying that you don't want this to be made more 
reliable because "no-one forces people" to use such archives, and "they 
should know that [if they use these archives] things can break more 
easily"?

Nobody forces people to use unstable (or even testing) either, and 
putting the relevant lines in your apt.sources can make things break 
more easily. Does this mean that we shouldn't try to make them work 
reliably?

Exactly which bit of trying to make things work better do you think is 
a bad idea?

Cheers,
Nick

Re: started to make changelogs and copyright file online available

[Graham Wilson]

On Sun, Dec 08, 2002 at 11:04:00PM +0100, tomas pospisek wrote:
> On 8 Dec 2002, No?l K?the wrote:
> > I started to make the changelog and copyright file of the Debian
> > packages online
> 
> Ah! Wondeful. Would be nice to have it integrated in the frontends ...
> "do I want/need to update this to the latest unstable version yet -
> let's check the changelog ..."?

see apt-listchanges, which is a great tool for looking at changelogs
before you install packages.

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Re: started to make changelogs and copyright file online available

[Florian Weimer]

Graham Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> see apt-listchanges, which is a great tool for looking at changelogs
> before you install packages.

Hardly everybody has got a full Debian mirror in the same rack. ;-)

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Re: Pre-linux Windows program - was Re: bill gates Linux

[Emile van Bergen]

Hi,

On Sun, Dec 08, 2002 at 12:24:56PM -0600, Steve Langasek wrote:

> On Sun, Dec 08, 2002 at 07:08:17PM +0100, Emile van Bergen wrote:
> 
> > On Sun, Dec 08, 2002 at 11:31:11AM -0600, Steve Langasek wrote:
> 
> > > Why make it a separate program that runs under Windows?  Why not mount
> > > the Windows partition from the Linux installer, and read the registry
> > > from there?
> 
> > Because it's easier for Windows to read its own registry and write a
> > portable ASCII file than it is for Linux, as you'd have to implement a
> > 'fs' driver for it. Not that I think this is all necessarily a good idea
> > though.
> 
> Actually, I would find it significantly easier to borrow code from Wine
> to do registry parsing and run a tool against a Windows partition
> mounted read-only to extract the information we need, than I would to
> write a Windows application to do roughly the same thing.

Hum, yes, but that probably says more about

1. the excellent capabilities of the Wine team
2. lack of ability and willingness to write windows code on your part

than the elegance of the solution - IMHO.

> > Before you know, people will go back to Windows to change their IP
> > address in Linux because they don't know how to do it there.
> 
> Well, since debconf is not a registry, that would be a little difficult,
> wouldn't it?

Well, I was thinking about horrible scenarios like, "you know, I
installed this Linux thing, and it used my network settings from Windows
fine, but now I can't find out how to change it, so I figured I could
change the settings in Windows and then reinstall Linux, so I did."

Cheers,


Emile.

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Re: private debian pools

[Brian May]

On Sun, Dec 08, 2002 at 10:48:30PM +0100, Fabio Massimo Di Nitto wrote:
> I do not agree with you for different reasons. First of all noone forces
> people to add private archives to their sources.list. If users do that
> they should know that things can break more easily. Sometimes private
> archive are really usefull for pre-testing pkgs before they enter debian.

Then you encounter the problem that user X (for instance) modifies
fileutils with ACL support and adds it to his/her private archive.

User Y modifies the same version of fileutils with, say SE-Linux, and
places it online his/her website.

User Z, who uses both archives, suddenly finds he/she may get a ACL
version of fileutils OR an SE-Linux version of fileutils depending on
how X and Y named the versions. Lets assume the ACL version has ".x.1"
appended to the version, and the selinux version has the ".y.1" appended
to the version. So the .selinux version will be treated as "newer".

While it is true that only one version can get installed, IMHO it is not
so good that the user doesn't get any warning of the problem.

Now user X and user Y realize that there is a problem, and user Y agrees
to remove his package, if user X creates a ".x.2" version that has both
SE-Linux and ACL support.

Only now, users who already have .y.1 installed will see version .x.2 as
a downgrade, not an upgrade.

I think this is dumb.

Soory, I don't have any solutions to these specific problems.
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Re: started to make changelogs and copyright file online available

[Matt Zimmerman]

On Sun, Dec 08, 2002 at 11:44:08PM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote:

> Graham Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > see apt-listchanges, which is a great tool for looking at changelogs
> > before you install packages.
> 
> Hardly everybody has got a full Debian mirror in the same rack. ;-)

If there were a reliable and complete source of changelog data
programmatically available over the network, and a means by which
apt-listchanges could be launched by apt before any packages are downloaded,
it would be easy to modify apt-listchanges to use this data.

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Re: private debian pools

[Scott James Remnant]

On Sun, 2002-12-08 at 20:51, Nick Phillips wrote:

> /me wonders whether some concept of namespaces in package names would 
> be useful before we make it too easy for world + dog to run large 
> repositories of .debs - Ximian was bad enough on its own, last I had to 
> recover a system from someone using it... I dread to think how many 
> versions of things like libgtksomeguicrapthatkeepsmakingabichanges
> (all mutually conflicting, and all required by something you *really 
> need*) we'll end up with if people are easily able to maintain separate 
> repositories.
> 
I disagree that this is needed, not for any of the usual reasons, but
for the simple reason that this functionality already exists.

The namespace of an apt repository is its URL, and any information
available in a "Release" file at that URL.

Now, let's use your example of Ximian.  The ftp URL of the Ximian debs
you were using was probably: ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/debian

I imagine the problem you had was that the system had all the Ximian
GNOME debs installed, and you wanted to use those from Debian instead. 
That could have been easily solved by putting the following in
/etc/apt/preferences:
Package: *
Pin: release o=Debian
Pin-Priority: 1000

Package: *
Pin: origin ftp.ximian.com
Pin-Priority: -1

In effect, "Debian packages can force a downgrade of anything, do not
consider Ximian packages for installation at all"

If we promote the use of third-parties using Release files, they would
set the "Origin:" tag to something useful to them, perhaps in Ximian's
case "Ximian".

All the functionality you want is already there!

Scott
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Re: Problems with XFS patch and SMP

[Russell Coker]

It would be interesting to see an strace of the program and the output of 
"dmesg".

Re: private debian pools

[Brian May]

On Sun, Dec 08, 2002 at 12:42:15PM +1100, Brian May wrote:
> > d-arch-builder?? (debian-archive-builder)
> 
> Sounds good.

I have renamed the bin2 directory to darchbuilder.

(unfortunately Perl objected to the - in the directory name).

The new location is now
http://www.microcomaustralia.com.au/debian/darchbuilder/>.

I have also improved on the Readme file.
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Re: Problems with XFS patch and SMP

[Craig Sanders]

On Sun, Dec 08, 2002 at 04:26:03PM -0500, Bob Hilliard wrote:
>  Bug#171943 reports that dictd 1.8.0 fails to start with the
> following error message:
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ /usr/sbin/dictd -d nofork
> :I: 2535 starting dictd 1.8.0/rf on Linux 2.4.19-xfs Tue Dec  3 23:43:09 2002
> dictd (dict_index_open): Cannot mmap index file "/dev/null(dict_index_open) 
> Cannot mmap index file "/dev/nulldict_index_open: No such device
> (dict_index_open) dict_index_open: No such device

that looks like it may be a configuration errorwhy else would it be
trying to mmap /dev/null?

>  I have not experienced any problems with this version in woody,
> sarge or sid, using a 2.4.18 kernel, and I have not received any other
> similar bug reports.
> 
>  The reporter is running a 2.4.19 kernel with the XFS patch and
> SMP support.  Are there any known issues with the XFS patch and SMP
> support that could contribute to this problem?

not that i've noticed.  i've been running 2.4.19 & XFS on my SMP
workstation for over a month without any problems at all.

Linux siva.taz.net.au 2.4.19-xfs #1 SMP Sat Nov 2 14:31:23 EST 2002 i686 
unknown unknown GNU/Linux

> Is anyone running dictd with a 2.4.19 kernel with the XFS patch and
> SMP support?

i'm running the dict client on this machine, but not the dict server.
i'm running the server on another machine (currently running ancient
kernel 2.4.9 with XFS patches).

i just installed dictd 1.8.0-1 and one small dictionary (dict-elements)
to test it.  it seems to run and answer queries without problems.

running it with "dictd -d nofork" shows:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] [11:04:49] ~# /usr/sbin/dictd -d nofork
:I: 1493 starting dictd 1.8.0/rf on Linux 2.4.19-xfs Mon Dec  9 11:05:02 2002
:I: elements  130 20751507646260

a query for "potassium" results in the following output:

:C: "dict 1.8.0/rf on Linux 2.4.19-xfs"
:D: * "potassium" 1
:I: quit: d/m/c = 1/0/7; 0.000r 0.000u 0.000s

if you have any other tests you'd like me to run, i'll leave dictd
installed here for a day or two...then i'll remove it.

craig

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Putting .so symlinks in libs package for dlopen()ing?

[Timshel Knoll]

[Please CC all replies to me]

Hi all,

I'm having issues with getting parted's reiserfs support to work in a
way that complies with Debian policy. The issue is that parted dlopen()s
libreiserfs.so and libdal.so (from the libreiserfs-0.3-{0,dev}
packages) for its reiserfs support. This is fine, but the issue is that
the .so symlinks are in the -dev package, so parted's reiserfs support
fails unless the -dev package is installed (BAD). This problem is the
cause of bug #163107.

Possible solutions:

1. Put the .so symlinks in the libreiserfs-0.3-0 package. This breaks
   policy (section 9.0 says that the associated development package
   should contain the shared library without a version number). This is
   also a really bad precedent to set for other shared library packages
   which are dlopen()d.

2. Make parted dlopen() libreiserfs-0.3.so.0 rather than libreiserfs.so.
   This will solve the problem, but is not ideal solution since a minor
   version upgrade or SONAME change of libreiserfs will break parted's
   reiserfs support (note that parted does its own internal checking of
   libreiserfs versions to make sure it is compatible, and gracefully
   fails if it can't resolve all required symbols on dlopen()).
   Also, the parted source code needs to be manually edited on every
   minor or SONAME change of library.

3. Include a symlink to the appropriate libreiserfs in the
   libparted1.6-0 package "/lib/parted/modules/libreiserfs.so" and
   dlopen that instead. This has the added advantage that the symbolic
   link could be updated from libparted's postinst, and I could also
   modify it from libreiserfs's postinst. However, I'd rather find a
   solution that didn't require _any_ mention of parted in libreiserfs,
   other than a Suggests:. Or am I just being a puritan here?

ATM I'm leaning towards 2, or possibly 3. Any comments/queries/further
suggestions?

Cheers,

Timshel

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Re: started to make changelogs and copyright file online available

[Daniel Burrows]

On Sun, Dec 08, 2002 at 05:57:55PM -0500, Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
was heard to say:
> On Sun, Dec 08, 2002 at 11:44:08PM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote:
> 
> > Graham Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > 
> > > see apt-listchanges, which is a great tool for looking at changelogs
> > > before you install packages.
> > 
> > Hardly everybody has got a full Debian mirror in the same rack. ;-)
> 
> If there were a reliable and complete source of changelog data
> programmatically available over the network, and a means by which
> apt-listchanges could be launched by apt before any packages are downloaded,
> it would be easy to modify apt-listchanges to use this data.

  Or anything else, although apt-listchanges might be nicer.  aptitude
used to do this (slightly hackily), before the Web-available changelogs
vanished.

  Daniel

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Re: Putting .so symlinks in libs package for dlopen()ing?

[Daniel Burrows]

On Mon, Dec 09, 2002 at 11:26:14AM +1100, Timshel Knoll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was 
heard to say:
> 2. Make parted dlopen() libreiserfs-0.3.so.0 rather than libreiserfs.so.
>This will solve the problem, but is not ideal solution since a minor
>version upgrade or SONAME change of libreiserfs will break parted's
>reiserfs support (note that parted does its own internal checking of
>libreiserfs versions to make sure it is compatible, and gracefully
>fails if it can't resolve all required symbols on dlopen()).

  Could you explain in more detail why this is a bad thing?  SONAME
changes mean binary compatibility is broken -- even if you can resolve
all symbols, I don't think blindly trying to call stuff in the library
is a good idea.  I especially don't want a program with questionable
linkage to be mucking with my filesystems.

>Also, the parted source code needs to be manually edited on every
>minor or SONAME change of library.

  Hm, maybe you could run readlink on the development package's .so link
at build time...would that work?

  Daniel

> 
> 3. Include a symlink to the appropriate libreiserfs in the
>libparted1.6-0 package "/lib/parted/modules/libreiserfs.so" and
>dlopen that instead. This has the added advantage that the symbolic
>link could be updated from libparted's postinst, and I could also
>modify it from libreiserfs's postinst. However, I'd rather find a
>solution that didn't require _any_ mention of parted in libreiserfs,
>other than a Suggests:. Or am I just being a puritan here?
> 
> ATM I'm leaning towards 2, or possibly 3. Any comments/queries/further
> suggestions?
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Timshel
> 
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Re: location of UnicodeData.txt

[Thomas Bushnell, BSG]

John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Thomas Bushnell writes:
> > The copyright is on the *file* and not on "the data",...
> 
> Did I say it was?
> 
> > ...and certainly not on the *information* which the file contains.
> 
> An instantiation of that information could be considered a derivative of
> the copyrighted work.  My second paragraph explains one reason why it might
> not be.

I believe at this point you are raising FUD.  The license on Unicode
explicitly grants permission to make such derivatives, if they even
are such, in free programs.  This is sufficient for our purposes,
because it means that the free program is really free, and that's all
Debian requires.

Re: Problems with XFS patch and SMP

[Bernd Eckenfels]

On Mon, Dec 09, 2002 at 11:09:51AM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote:
> that looks like it may be a configuration errorwhy else would it be
> trying to mmap /dev/null?

this is a elf function, not sure what it is used for but a lot of programs
do this. Thats why you need /dev/null in most chroots for ftpds which exec()
dynaically linked ls.

Greetings
Bernd

Re: private debian pools

[Joey Hess]

Fabio Massimo Di Nitto wrote:
> Why noone have ever packaged the actual debian set of scritps for
> handling archives instead?

Probably because it's too complicated to be of use unless you're
managing something on the scale of the debian archive. It's much easier
to install mini-dinstall and make a directory for your repository than
it would be to install the real dinstall and set up all the database
stuff and other stuff it needs.

> private repositories laying here and there (http://www.apt-get.org as
> mentioned in one of the last DWN), and i know for sure that Brian is not
> the only that will benefit from such scripts. I also had to write my own
> to  handle my archive since i was not really satisfied with the others.

Hmm, I wasn't exactly satisfied with mini-dinstall when I started to use
it, but it seemed like a much better trade-off to contribute feedback
and bug reports than dilute effort with yet another tool to do the same
thing. And now I *am* happy with it, except for a couple of bugs.

> To who should the request be addressed? ftp masters? I offer volunteer to
> pkg them in case, but since Im still not a d-d i can't access them
> frequently to follow their evolution in time.

Eh? Like everyone else on the internet, you have read access to
cvs.debian.org for dinstall's source.

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Re: private debian pools

[Joey Hess]

Joel Baker wrote:
> And don't forget debarchiver, which doesn't (yet) support pools, but is in
> use in a number of places for doing old-style archives, too.

Note that mini-dinstall can generate "old-style" archives too. That's
what I use for all my repositories.

archive_style = flat

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Re: private debian pools

[James Troup]

Brian May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I looked at katie; it seemed to be a complicated and undocumented
> mess that was a total overkill for my purpose (eg. I don't need a
> database).

That "complicated and undocumented mess" has been running the Debian
archives successfully and without major incident for over 2 years now;
it must be doing something right.

> I couldn't even guess where I was suppost to start.

You could try reading the "non-existent" documentation...

> [...] but these names mean absolutely nothing to be when I am trying
> to get a given task done.

like doc/README.names maybe.

*plonk*

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Re: location of UnicodeData.txt

[John Hasler]

Thomas Bushnell writes:
> I believe at this point you are raising FUD.

I believe I was attempting to discuss the subject calmly and rationally
while avoiding inflammatory language such as "you are raising FUD".

> The license on Unicode explicitly grants permission to make such
> derivatives, if they even are such, in free programs.

Reference?  I don't recall seeing this mentioned earlier in this thread,
and it is not at all clear from a quick perusal of the copyright data on
the Unicode site that the license for the file in question is
DFSG-compliant.  Could you tell me what I am missing?

BTW the copy of the file on my system (installed by perl-modules) lacks the
apparently required disclaimer.
-- 
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Re: location of UnicodeData.txt

[Thomas Bushnell, BSG]

John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> > The license on Unicode explicitly grants permission to make such
> > derivatives, if they even are such, in free programs.
> 
> Reference?  I don't recall seeing this mentioned earlier in this thread,
> and it is not at all clear from a quick perusal of the copyright data on
> the Unicode site that the license for the file in question is
> DFSG-compliant.  Could you tell me what I am missing?

The file is not being distributed, rather, data from it has been
extracted and is being used.  This is explicitly permitted by the
license on the file.

If you claim that a current Debian package is violating the DFSG, then
the appropriate forum is debian-legal, not debian-devel.

Re: Putting .so symlinks in libs package for dlopen()ing?

[Scott James Remnant]

On Mon, 2002-12-09 at 00:26, Timshel Knoll wrote:

> I'm having issues with getting parted's reiserfs support to work in a
> way that complies with Debian policy. The issue is that parted dlopen()s
> libreiserfs.so and libdal.so (from the libreiserfs-0.3-{0,dev}
> packages) for its reiserfs support. This is fine, but the issue is that
> the .so symlinks are in the -dev package, so parted's reiserfs support
> fails unless the -dev package is installed (BAD). This problem is the
> cause of bug #163107.
> 
> Possible solutions:
*snip*
> 2. Make parted dlopen() libreiserfs-0.3.so.0 rather than libreiserfs.so.
>This will solve the problem, but is not ideal solution since a minor
>version upgrade or SONAME change of libreiserfs will break parted's
>reiserfs support (note that parted does its own internal checking of
>libreiserfs versions to make sure it is compatible, and gracefully
>fails if it can't resolve all required symbols on dlopen()).
>Also, the parted source code needs to be manually edited on every
>minor or SONAME change of library.
> 
I don't see why this is a problem, you'd only need to change the
dlopen() code if there's a SONAME change - and that should only change
if there's a binary-incompatible difference.  A difference that might
not be picked up by the internal checking of the code.

The Debian package name of libreiserfs (libreiserfs0.3-0) is also named
after the SONAME, so you'll have to change the depend anyway - so why
not change the code at the same time?

Scott
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Re: What should go into "How Software Producers can distribute their products directly in .deb format"?

[Sean 'Shaleh' Perry]

On Sunday 08 December 2002 13:29, Aaron Isotton wrote:
> Hi,
>
> (sorry for the overlong subject).
>
> I originally sent this to debian-doc but I got no answers, so I
> thought I'd post it here too.
>
> I'm interested in writing the "How Software Producers can distribute
> their products directly in .deb format" manual, as listed on
> http://www.debian.org/doc/devel-manuals.  I thought to write the
> following, more or less:
>

In the end it makes very little sense for a3rd party to provide debs.  The LSB 
requires rpm support only.  Personally I would be happy if they released a 
rpm for compliance and a tarball (binary or source as they wish) for everyone 
else.

Re: private debian pools

[Nick Phillips]

On Monday, December 9, 2002, at 12:03  pm, Scott James Remnant wrote:
I disagree that this is needed, not for any of the usual reasons, but
for the simple reason that this functionality already exists.
In part; it's not visible to the user, and it's not possible for a 
package to specify that it depends on a version of a package from a 
particular release/distribution/origin.

The namespace of an apt repository is its URL, and any information
available in a "Release" file at that URL.
Which is inadequate; how do you tell whether the following lines access 
the same
distribution?

deb http://debian.lemon-computing.com/debian/ stable main contrib 
non-free
deb http://debian.otago.ac.nz/debian/ stable main contrib non-free


I imagine the problem you had was that the system had all the Ximian
GNOME debs installed, and you wanted to use those from Debian instead.
That could have been easily solved by putting the following in
/etc/apt/preferences:
Package: *
Pin: release o=Debian
Pin-Priority: 1000
Package: *
Pin: origin ftp.ximian.com
Pin-Priority: -1
In effect, "Debian packages can force a downgrade of anything, do not
consider Ximian packages for installation at all"
This is great, but it doesn't enable *packages* to specify what they 
need. Which is where the logic needs to be, if we really want to avoid 
problems.

If we promote the use of third-parties using Release files, they would
set the "Origin:" tag to something useful to them, perhaps in Ximian's
case "Ximian".
All the functionality you want is already there!
Some, but not all.

Cheers,
Nick

Re: What should go into "How Software Producers can distribute their products directly in .deb format"?

[Bernd Eckenfels]

On Sun, Dec 08, 2002 at 06:06:41PM -0800, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote:
> In the end it makes very little sense for a3rd party to provide debs.

It makes sense for the debian user, dont u think?

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Re: private debian pools

[Colin Walters]

On Sun, 2002-12-08 at 14:44, Joey Hess wrote:
> Joel Baker wrote:
> > And don't forget debarchiver, which doesn't (yet) support pools, but is in
> > use in a number of places for doing old-style archives, too.
> 
> Note that mini-dinstall can generate "old-style" archives too. That's
> what I use for all my repositories.
> 
> archive_style = flat

By the way, this will probably be the default in later versions.

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Re: What should go into "How Software Producers can distribute their products directly in .deb format"?

[Sean 'Shaleh' Perry]

On Sunday 08 December 2002 18:12, Bernd Eckenfels wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 08, 2002 at 06:06:41PM -0800, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote:
> > In the end it makes very little sense for a3rd party to provide debs.
>
> It makes sense for the debian user, dont u think?
>

Which is why I ask for the second option -- a tarball.  Let Debian, Gentoo, 
BSD, whoever do their own packaging.  This includes any of those groups' 
users.

Re: private debian pools

[Colin Walters]

On Sun, 2002-12-08 at 17:26, Brian May wrote:

> When I last looked at mini-dinstall it didn't seem to try to cater for
> many of the tasks required for pools, because it doesn't appear to
> support pools.
> 
> eg. with pools you need tools to install packages, maintain multiple
> Packages files for different areas (at or least thats functionality I
> need), etc.

Yes.  I think that doing package pools "right" requires all sorts of
extra stuff like some form of database (be it a flat file or PostgreSQL)
and special tools for installing/removing package.  My feeling is that
if you really need pools, what someone needs to do is sit down and
package the real dinstall.  That way we would have the best of both
worlds; a simple, easy to use verison of dinstall in the form of
mini-dinstall, and if it doesn't fulfill your needs, then you could go
to the real full-blown dinstall.

Re: Pre-linux Windows program - was Re: bill gates Linux

[Steve Langasek]

On Sun, Dec 08, 2002 at 11:45:04PM +0100, Emile van Bergen wrote:

>> Actually, I would find it significantly easier to borrow code from Wine
>> to do registry parsing and run a tool against a Windows partition
>> mounted read-only to extract the information we need, than I would to
>> write a Windows application to do roughly the same thing.

> Hum, yes, but that probably says more about

> 1. the excellent capabilities of the Wine team
> 2. lack of ability and willingness to write windows code on your part

> than the elegance of the solution - IMHO.

Feel free to demonstrate the elegance of your own Windows code, then.

>>> Before you know, people will go back to Windows to change their IP
>>> address in Linux because they don't know how to do it there.

>> Well, since debconf is not a registry, that would be a little difficult,
>> wouldn't it?

> Well, I was thinking about horrible scenarios like, "you know, I
> installed this Linux thing, and it used my network settings from Windows
> fine, but now I can't find out how to change it, so I figured I could
> change the settings in Windows and then reinstall Linux, so I did."

There are some forms of idiocy that it's just not possible to proof
against. 

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Re: DAK

[Brian May]

On Mon, Dec 09, 2002 at 09:37:39AM +1100, Brian May wrote:
> Maybe one day these tools will get better documented, I will be

I would assume the first step might be to give postgresql the
init_pool.sql file, and somehow configure the programs to use this newly
created database?

I would also assume that the entire database structure is documented
in tagdb.dia?

What is meant be a "suite"?

Could somebody please povide me with a list of the
binary programs in DAK and what each one days?

I will start by extracting the comments. Some I can guess,
eg. "tea" would be for making a cup of tea, wouldn't it? ;-)

Others make no sense.

Some binaries have no real purpose, they are only there to
see if you can refrain from laughing or not (eg. see
description of update-mirrorlists).

katie doesn't seem to have a binary?

-rwxrwxr-x1 bam  bam  6451 Oct 24 17:39 alyson*
Sync the ISC configuartion file and the SQL database
What is the ISC configuration?

-rwxrwxr-x1 bam  bam 12551 Dec  9 14:24 amber*
Wrapper for Debian Security team
The Debian security team need to be wrapped by "amber"?
Somehow I think I misparsed that ;-).

-rwxrwxr-x1 bam  bam  3244 Oct 24 17:39 andrea*
Check for fixable discrepancies between stable and unstable

-rwxrwxr-x1 bam  bam  4545 Oct 24 17:39 ashley*
Dump variables from a .katie file to stdout

-rwxrwxr-x1 bam  bam  8119 Oct 24 17:39 catherine*
Poolify (move packages from "legacy" type locations to pool locations)

-rwxrwxr-x1 bam  bam  6736 Oct 24 17:39 charisma*
Generate Maintainers file used by e.g. the Debian Bug Tracking System

-rwxrwxr-x1 bam  bam  5578 May 23  2002 cindy*
Cruft checker for overrides
(remove any obsolete entry from overrides files???)

-rwxrwxr-x1 bam  bam  8416 Oct 24 17:39 claire.py*
'Fix' stable to make debian-cd and dpkg -BORGiE users happy

-rwxrwxr-x1 bam  bam   587 Jan 10  2001 copyoverrides*
Copying override files into public view

-rwxrwxr-x1 bam  bam  1125 Jul 31 05:19 cron.buildd-security*
Executed after jennifer

-rwxrwxr-x1 bam  bam  2759 Oct 24 17:39 cron.daily*
Executed daily via cron, out of troup's crontab.

-rwxrwxr-x1 bam  bam  3197 Oct 24 17:39 cron.daily-non-US*
Executed daily via cron, out of troup's crontab.

-rwxrwxr-x1 bam  bam   586 Mar 15  2002 cron.monthly*
Run at the beginning of the month via cron, out of katie's crontab.

-rwxrwxr-x1 bam  bam   485 Jun  8  2002 cron.unchecked-security*
Calls jennifer

-rwxrwxr-x1 bam  bam   566 Jun 10 03:31 cron.weekly*
Run once a week via cron, out of katie's crontab.

-rwxrwxr-x1 bam  bam   543 May 15  2002 cron.weekly-non-US*
Run once a week via cron, out of katie's crontab.

-rwxrwxr-x1 bam  bam  7085 Oct 24 17:39 denise*
Output override files for apt-ftparchive and indices/

-rwxrwxr-x1 bam  bam  1112 Nov 27  2000 direport*
?

-rwxrwxr-x1 bam  bam 13035 Dec  9 14:24 fernanda.py*
Script to automate some parts of checking NEW packages

-rwxrwxr-x1 bam  bam  6764 Oct 24 17:39 halle*
Remove obsolete .changes files from proposed-updates

-rwxrwxr-x1 bam  bam 11478 Oct 24 17:39 heidi*
Manipulate suite tags

-rwxrwxr-x1 bam  bam  6991 Dec  9 14:24 helena*
Produces a report on NEW and BYHAND packages

-rwxrwxr-x1 bam  bam 17754 Dec  9 14:24 jenna*
Generate file lists used by apt-ftparchive to generate Packages and Sources 
files

-rwxrwxr-x1 bam  bam 50068 Oct 24 17:39 jennifer*
Checks Debian packages from Incoming

-rwxrwxr-x1 bam  bam 11798 Oct 24 17:39 jeri*
Dependency check proposed-updates

-rwxrwxr-x1 bam  bam  4241 Oct 24 17:39 julia*
Sync PostgreSQL users with system users
(what is a "PostgreSQL users" in this context?)

-rwxrwxr-x1 bam  bam 28034 Dec  9 14:24 kelly*
Installs Debian packages

-rwxrwxr-x1 bam  bam 31158 Dec  9 14:24 lisa*
Handles NEW and BYHAND packages

-rwxrwxr-x1 bam  bam  6022 Dec  9 14:24 madison*
Display information about package(s) (suite, version, etc.)
(this one I know)

-rwxrwxr-x1 bam  bam 18249 Dec  9 14:24 melanie*
General purpose package removal tool for ftpmaster

-rwxrwxr-x1 bam  bam   398 Dec 20  2000 mkchecksums*
Update the md5sums file

-rwxrwxr-x1 bam  bam   858 Sep 25  2001 mklslar*
Update the ls-lR.

-rwxrwxr-x1 bam  bam  1017 Sep 26  2001 mkmaintainers*
Creating Maintainers index

-rwxrwxr-x1 bam  bam 11722 Oct 24 17:40 natalie*
Manipulate override files

-rwxrwxr-x1 bam  bam 28548 Dec  9 14:24 neve*
Populate the DB

-rwxrwxr-x1 bam  bam  7689 Oct 24 17:40 rene*
Check for obsole

Re: What should go into "How Software Producers can distribute their products directly in .deb format"?

[Bernd Eckenfels]

On Sun, Dec 08, 2002 at 07:03:05PM -0800, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote:
> Which is why I ask for the second option -- a tarball.  Let Debian, Gentoo, 
> BSD, whoever do their own packaging.  This includes any of those groups' 
> users.

Debian wont package most of the non free software.

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Re: Putting .so symlinks in libs package for dlopen()ing?

[Andrew Clausen]

On Mon, Dec 09, 2002 at 02:02:12AM +, Scott James Remnant wrote:
> I don't see why this is a problem, you'd only need to change the
> dlopen() code if there's a SONAME change - and that should only change
> if there's a binary-incompatible difference.  A difference that might
> not be picked up by the internal checking of the code.

It would be picked up.  That said, it would be nice to depend on
the (libtool?) library version numbering, and remove the internal
checking code.

> The Debian package name of libreiserfs (libreiserfs0.3-0) is also named
> after the SONAME, so you'll have to change the depend anyway - so why
> not change the code at the same time?

I guess the big issue is: what happens if a bug-fix release of libreiserfs
is made?  Will it continue to work with an unmodified Parted?

Cheers,
Andrew

Re: Putting .so symlinks in libs package for dlopen()ing?

[Andrew Clausen]

Hi again,

I forgot to mention: what if a backward-compatible API change is
made to libreiser?

libtool library versioning is designed to deal with all of this...
can we use it somehow?

Cheers,
Andrew

Re: Putting .so symlinks in libs package for dlopen()ing?

[Daniel Burrows]

On Mon, Dec 09, 2002 at 04:01:29PM +1100, Andrew Clausen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
was heard to say:
> On Mon, Dec 09, 2002 at 02:02:12AM +, Scott James Remnant wrote:
> > I don't see why this is a problem, you'd only need to change the
> > dlopen() code if there's a SONAME change - and that should only change
> > if there's a binary-incompatible difference.  A difference that might
> > not be picked up by the internal checking of the code.
> 
> It would be picked up.

  So reiserfs has an internal mechanism for reporting whether stuff
is really compatible?  Is it using versioned symbols or something?

  Daniel

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Re: project: vitual partial mirror with CGI/dpkg-repack

[Steve Dunham]

Wouter Verhelst wrote:
On Sun, Dec 08, 2002 at 05:30:13PM +0100, Bill Allombert wrote:
I will not do it myself since I know nothing about CGI programming,

CGI programming is easy to learn ;-)
CGI scripts or programs get whatever the client sends on his URL,
starting after the '?' as a parameter, receive on their stdin whatever a
client sends using an HTTP PUT statement, and send the HTML and, if
necessary, extra HTTP headers to their stdout. That's it.
The rebuilt package is likely to have the wrong md5sum. I believe
apt will reject it after download.
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Re: Putting .so symlinks in libs package for dlopen()ing?

[Andrew Clausen]

On Mon, Dec 09, 2002 at 12:16:44AM -0500, Daniel Burrows wrote:
>   So reiserfs has an internal mechanism for reporting whether stuff
> is really compatible?

Yes.  An internal version numbers policy.  You call a function
(via dlsym) asking if the interface you (i.e. parted) is using,
and reiserfs will tell you if it's binary compatible with itself.

Like I said, I think it'd be better if we were just using some
standard system functionality for this.

Cheers,
Andrew