Bug#80364: O: x3270 - X11 program for telnet sessions to IBM mainframes

[Carey Evans]

Package: wnpp
Severity: normal

I no longer use x3270, and haven't even done any work on the package
for more than a year.  There are currently open bugs for the package,
but they would be fixed by the latest upstream release.

The biggest problem is the copyright that x3270 inherits from
3270tool.  The copyright in the source is not very clear:

  Copyright © 1989 by Georgia Tech Research Corporation, Atlanta, GA 30332.
  All Rights Reserved. GTRC hereby grants public use of this
  software. Derivative works based on this software must incorporate
  this copyright notice.

And further enquiries with GTRC haven't made it any clearer - see the
attached email.

If anyone would like to take over the package and try to resolve the
license, they are welcome to.  I would even continue to maintain the
package if someone else sorted out the license.

(I've removed the email address and phone numbers from the forwarded
email; contact me directly if you'd like them.)

 Start of forwarded message 
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: Kevin Wozniak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Copyright notice on "x3270" by Georgia Tech Research
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 16:34:42 -0400
X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21)
Lines: 18

Mr. Evans-

The source code that you inquired about may not be incorporated, bundled,
packaged, or accompany any other product that is sold, licensed, or provided
to another user for commercial purposes.  If you would like to inquire about
obtaining the proper license from Georgia Tech Research Corporation, feel
free to contact me at your convenience.
Regards,
Kevin
Kevin L. Wozniak
Assistant Director
Office of Technology Licensing
###.###. (Phone)
###.###. (Fax)

 End of forwarded message 

Re: Bug#79933: [window minimization] animation not pointing to correct location

[Joseph Carter]

On Tue, Dec 19, 2000 at 04:06:25PM +0100, Christian Marillat wrote:
> e> Please re-open this bug. The animation should be indicative of the
> e> location of tasklist applet. I've seen users confused by this.
> 
> No I don't reopen this bug.

If a user is confused by this, he's an idiot.  Christian, please don't waste
time on this "problem".  Eray's opinion of the severity of this problem is,
as often, quite lucid.

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* HomeySan waits for the papa john's pizza to show up
 mm. papa john's.
 hopefully they send the cute delivery driver
 they dont have that here.
 why? you gonna eat the driver instead?

Bug#80343: general: Lack of policy on which files should be owned by which user

[Russell Coker]

On Saturday 23 December 2000 09:13, KORN Andras wrote:
> I feel that there exists a general confusion among some Debian developers
> as to what user ids such as 'nobody' should be used for. I suggest that the
> policy be updated with relevant advice.

Nobody should never be used.  If you use nobody then someone else will choose 
to use it for the same reasons and you end up with two programs sharing the 
same UID.  The only solution is to have nothing use it as a matter of policy.

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Re: update excuses.. how to read them

[Joey Hess]

I've been puttering around on the excuses page and it'd be really nice
if it included (or had links to) information about what version of each
package (if any) is actually installed in woody.

I mean, I can look that up every time for each of my packages, but..

-- 
see shy jo

Re: x-session-manager alternative

[Joseph Carter]

On Tue, Dec 19, 2000 at 07:24:12PM +0100, Bas Zoetekouw wrote:
> What is the problem with registering gnome-session and kde-session as
> x-window-manager? Wouldn't this new x-session-manager thing break the
> way users can choose there window-manager from the display manager's
> log in screen? 

I'll give you a hint..  gnome-session tries to start x-window-manager.

What if that's gnome-session?  What if that's startkde?  In either case,
that could be really messy really fast.

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As a computer, I find your faith in technology amusing.

Re: NSA's Secure Linux Distribution

[Ethan Benson]

On Fri, Dec 22, 2000 at 05:36:14PM -0500, Jacob Kuntz wrote:

> but what fact are these fears based in? would the nsa really plop a backdoor
> in an opensource project, hoping it missed and accepted with the rest of the
> code? i doubt it. their whole (advertised) motive was to protect against the
> possibility of Trusted (AIX|Solaris|PalmOS|whatever closed os) going belly
> up.

Hi, I'm from the government, I'm here to help you.

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Re: update excuses.. how to read them

[Joey Hess]

Ya know, I wouldn't mind subscribing to a customized update excuses report
weekly or so, to keep track of which of my packages arn't in testing and why.

-- 
see shy jo

Re: finishing up the /usr/share/doc transition

[Joseph Carter]

On Fri, Dec 22, 2000 at 01:04:26PM -0800, Joey Hess wrote:
> I'm looking forward to a day with a lot less postinst and postrm scripts
> myself, so I want to make sure we don't miss the traget of full
> conversion by woody's release.

Hear hear.

> sound/mikmod

There appears to be a bug with libmikmod and ALSA at the moment..  When I
track it down I'll fix this too.


> libs/libmikmod1

This should be removed from the archive as no longer used.  I believe the
bug is already filed.


> graphics/qiv

I'm willing to NMU this if necessary.  I think the package has likely been
abandoned upstream but am not sure.  I don't want to take the package for
that reason (I think eog could become a better replacement for it in time.)

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 I still think you guys are nuts merging Q and QW. :P
 Of course we're nuts.  Even John said so.  =>
 Zoid: we're nuts, but we're productive nuts:)

Re: update excuses.. how to read them

[Anthony Towns]

On Fri, Dec 22, 2000 at 11:08:48PM -0800, Joey Hess wrote:
> I've been puttering around on the excuses page and it'd be really nice
> if it included (or had links to) information about what version of each
> package (if any) is actually installed in woody.

Added, hopefully.

On Fri, Dec 22, 2000 at 11:18:30PM -0800, Joey Hess wrote:
> Ya know, I wouldn't mind subscribing to a customized update excuses report
> weekly or so, to keep track of which of my packages arn't in testing and why.

That's not entirely trivial, so it might take a while, but it does seem
like a decent idea. What sort of reports would we be talking about,
exactly?

Cheers,
aj

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Re: looking for replacement for run (because of critical bug in

[Andreas Fuchs]

On 2000-12-22, Erik Steffl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Marc Haber wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I am maintainer for run and console-log, and waiting for NM to
[...]
>> To keep console-log, I need a program that can daemonize a "normal"
>> program, i.e. put it in the background, maintain a pid file unter
>> /var/run and optionally restart the program when it dies. 

>   what about that start-stop-daemon or something like that used to
>   start and stop daemons and various services, check the /etc/init.d
>   scripts what/how they use, I do not have debian handy at the moment
>   but I think it might do what you want.

start-stop-daemon won't work, because console-log (contrary to Marc's
explanation needs a (nay, two) less process in the foreground to allow
the user to watch log messages.

I wonder if a sh script could do what Marc described...

>   erik

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Re: update excuses.. how to read them

[Joey Hess]

Anthony Towns wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 22, 2000 at 11:18:30PM -0800, Joey Hess wrote:
> > Ya know, I wouldn't mind subscribing to a customized update excuses report
> > weekly or so, to keep track of which of my packages arn't in testing and 
> > why.
> 
> That's not entirely trivial, so it might take a while, but it does seem
> like a decent idea. What sort of reports would we be talking about,
> exactly?

I'd be happy with a text version of the update-excuses page, grepping
out only info about my packages (plus any other page you have that is
relevant).

One easy way would be if you provided a set of web pages by maintainer,
then I could just "subscribe" a lynx --dump cron job to mine..

-- 
see shy jo

Re: update excuses.. how to read them

[Peter Makholm]

Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> One easy way would be if you provided a set of web pages by maintainer,
> then I could just "subscribe" a lynx --dump cron job to mine..

It would be very nice to get such information automatically but I
don't care how I get it so the above would work fine.

Re: finishing up the /usr/share/doc transition

[Andreas Fuchs]

On 2000-12-22, Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> web/weblint
> net/zenirc

Fixes for these two are in the BTS, in bug numbers #79747 and #79750,
respectively.

HTH,
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Re: RFC: planning bunch of wishlists for menu hints

[Uwe Hermann]

On Fri, Dec 22, 2000 at 08:23:15PM +0100, Yann Dirson wrote:
> 
> What I could do at this point is try to write an adendum to the menu policy,
> that would define each hint, so that maintainers know which one they should
> add.

Yes, please do so. A written document is really needed.

And it should be properly promoted on www.debian.org and
maybe -devel-announce (?)


Uwe.
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ITP portslave

[Russell Coker]

License is GPL.

Portslave is a getty type program that gives both a login: prompt and ppp 
ident, when it receives a user-name and password (via PAP or login:) it will 
send an authentication request to a RADIUS server and establish a session (if 
authorised).
At the end of the session it will send out a RADIUS accounting packet.

I am finishing the packaging of the latest version which works with pppd 
2.4.0 (IE kernel 2.4.0).

I will upload it tomorrow to main/comm if no-one has any objection.

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Bug#80384: ITP: coldsync - Palm synchronizer/conduits tool

[Peter Makholm]

Package: wnpp
Serverity: normal
Version: N/A

I intend to package the following program if nobody is working on it
all ready (couldn't find anything at bugs.debian.org/wnpp):

Package: coldsync
License: Artistic
Homepage: http://www.ooblick.com/software/coldsync/ 
Description: A Palm syncronizer and conduite tool
 ColdSync is a tool for synchronizing PalmOS devices (PalmPilot,
 Palm V, Qualcomm PDQ, etc.) with Unix workstations. It defines a
 protokol for conduites and includes a perl module for making it easy 
 to write conduites in perl.

Re: adoption of bookmarks

[Christian Hammers]

Hello

On Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 01:08:55PM +0100, Dr. Guenter Bechly wrote:
> 0.12" I read that this package is free for adoption. However, it is not
> yet officially announced as up for adoption on the wnpp page of the Debian
> website. 
I thought I had mailed them..

> If the package should indeed be still free for adoption, I would
> very much like to adopt it, and could promise to put a quite a lot of
> effort in it.
Ok, glad to hear, it´s yours!

> Guenter
bye,

-christian- aka [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re: Bug#80384: ITP: coldsync - Palm synchronizer/conduits tool

[Colin Watson]

severity 80384 fixed
thanks

Peter Makholm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>Package: wnpp
>Serverity: normal
>Version: N/A
>
>I intend to package the following program if nobody is working on it
>all ready (couldn't find anything at bugs.debian.org/wnpp):
>
>Package: coldsync

It's already in unstable:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ dpkg -p coldsync
Package: coldsync
Priority: extra
Section: otherosfs
Installed-Size: 372
Maintainer: Bradley Marshall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Architecture: i386
Version: 1.4.6-2
[...]

Regards,

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Re: Bug#80384: ITP: coldsync - Palm synchronizer/conduits tool

[Peter Makholm]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Colin Watson) writes:

> It's already in unstable:
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ dpkg -p coldsync
> Package: coldsync

Well, I probally only looked in woody.

Re: looking for replacement for run (because of critical bug in

[Marc Haber]

On Sat, 23 Dec 2000 09:14:25 +0100, Andreas Fuchs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>start-stop-daemon won't work,

start-stop-daemon IIRC needs $program to background itself, and it
can't IIRC restart dying processes. run stays around to keep a watch
on its child.

>I wonder if a sh script could do what Marc described...

You'd have to have a ton of precautions. The task at hand seems
trivial, but it isn't :-(

Greetings
Marc

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Bug#79950: updating to potato from Linux2.0.34( i believe it was hamm)

[Roland Bauerschmidt]

On Wed, Dec 20, 2000 at 06:21:39AM -0500, basic wrote:
> subprocess dpkg-deb --fsys-tarfile returned error exit status 2

Is your RAM ok? How much RAM do you have? Do you have a swap partition?

Roland

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Re: looking for replacement for run (because of critical bug in

[Matt Zimmerman]

On Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 06:46:46PM +, Marc Haber wrote:

> On Sat, 23 Dec 2000 09:14:25 +0100, Andreas Fuchs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >start-stop-daemon won't work,
> 
> start-stop-daemon IIRC needs $program to background itself, and it
> can't IIRC restart dying processes. run stays around to keep a watch
> on its child.

Yes and no.  It can daemonize a program, but will not restart it when it dies.
It sounds like what you want is a simple shell script that would be daemonized
by start-stop-daemon:

/usr/sbin/myprogram.wrapper:
#!/bin/sh

while true; do
  myprogram
  # Prevent excessive resource consumption if myprogram exits immediately
  sleep 5 
done

/etc/init.d/myprogram:
PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin
DAEMON=/usr/sbin/myprogram.wrapper
NAME=myprogram
DESC="myprogram"

test -f $DAEMON || exit 0

set -e

case "$1" in
  start)
echo -n "Starting $DESC: "
start-stop-daemon --start --quiet --background --make-pidfile \
--pidfile /var/run/$NAME.pid --exec $DAEMON
echo "$NAME."
;;
  stop)
echo -n "Stopping $DESC: "
start-stop-daemon --stop --quiet --pidfile /var/run/$NAME.pid \
--exec $DAEMON
echo "$NAME."
;;
  restart|force-reload)
#
#   If the "reload" option is implemented, move the "force-reload"
#   option to the "reload" entry above. If not, "force-reload" is
#   just the same as "restart".
#
echo -n "Restarting $DESC: "
start-stop-daemon --stop --quiet --background --make-pidfile
--pidfile /var/run/$NAME.pid --exec $DAEMON
sleep 1
start-stop-daemon --start --quiet --pidfile \
/var/run/$NAME.pid --exec $DAEMON
echo "$NAME."
;;
  *)
N=/etc/init.d/$NAME
# echo "Usage: $N {start|stop|restart|reload|force-reload}" >&2
echo "Usage: $N {start|stop|restart|force-reload}" >&2
exit 1
;;
esac

exit 0

However, I would say that if the program dies so frequently that it needs a
wrapper like this, it should probably be fixed.

> >I wonder if a sh script could do what Marc described...
> 
> You'd have to have a ton of precautions. The task at hand seems
> trivial, but it isn't :-(

init does a good job of this; if there were an easy, error-proof way to add
entries to inittab (i.e., without editing the file in your maintainer scripts),
using init's 'respawn' mode might not be a bad idea.

-- 
 - mdz

Re: Odd 4 (figure four) - appears almost like two colons

[Robert Edmonds]

On Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 08:13:08PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 07:02:53PM -0500, Joe Drew wrote:
> > By any chance are you using XFree86 4.0? If so, this is a known bug I've
> > seen on my Voodoo5, and Branden's seen on a G200 (I believe).
> 
> Voodoo3.  I don't have access to any Matrox hardware, unfortunately.  But
> yes, I see this problem all the time on the Voodoo3 cards I have around.

i have seen obscure screen corruption (the entire screen) on the console when
running XFree86 4.0.1 in 32 bpp color on a matrox G400. switching VTs and back
fixes it, temporarily. switching to 24 bpp color fixes it permanently.


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Re: Bug#80364: O: x3270 - X11 program for telnet sessions to IBM mainframes

[Carey Evans]

Richard A Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I depend upon this package and would be happy to take it

OK, it's yours.

The new version at http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Peaks/7814/
should fix all the open bugs.  I guess you're in a good position to
know, anyway.

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Re: Singapore Linux Conference

[exa]

On Fri, Dec 22, 2000 at 05:53:47PM +0200, Lauri Tischler wrote:
> > Hold the conference in France: you can drink alcohol publicly, even near a
> > school, you can piss on the street, you can argue with cops, you can teach
> > Darwin's theory of evolution and you can have sex in public places.
> 
> You can do the same in Finland, except having sex in public places,
> like parks, is not very popular, due to sub-zero temperatures and 
> snow up to your balls...

Arrgh. Trying to supersede highly respected members of this list in
going off-topic? :)

Cheers,

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Re: partial mirroring script (that actually doesn't work)

[esoR ocsirF]

Greetings,
I administer a small partial mirror at my school and was trying to get
it to handle stable and testing. I used the script in the previous
meesage in this thread but it actually doesn't work, well not
completely. I had to make a few modifications to it and it populates the
mirror ok but I get nothing under pools. Is this because only sid is
populating the pool? If so are there going to be any packages in the
pool from testing before the next release?

Also is there anyway to check the integrity of a partial mirror? It
would be nice to know that everything is as it should be.

I attached the modified script so that it can be had as a reference.

Does anybody have plans to implement a standard method for partial
mirroring? It would seem that there is a fairly high demand for it.
Also is w.d.o/mirror going to be updated with a pool aware script
anytime soon?



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INTACT Director

#!/bin/bash -e
# Anon rsync partial mirror of Debian with package pool support.
# Copyright 1999, 2000 by Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, GPL'd.
# Copyright 2000 by Marco d'Itri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>.
# Copyright 2000 by Frisco Rose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


#FLAGS_NODO="-n"
FLAGS_VERBOSE="--stats -v"

# Flags to pass to rsync. More can be specified on the command line.
# These flags are always passed to rsync:
FLAGS="$@ -rLpt --partial"

# These flags are not passed in when we are getting files from pools.
# In particular, --delete is a horrid idea at that point, but good here.
FLAGS_NOPOOL="$FLAGS $FLAGS_VERBOSE --exclude Packages --delete"

# And these flags are passed in only when we are getting files from pools.
# Remember, do _not_ include --delete.
FLAGS_POOL="$FLAGS $FLAGS_VERBOSE"

# Until debian and debian-non-US are united we need to keep them seperate
ROOT=debian
#ROOT=debian-non-US

# The host to connect to (with rsync package name appended).
HOST=ftp.ca.debian.org::$ROOT

# Where to put the mirror (absolute path, please):
DEST=/home/ftp

# Architecture to mirror:
ARCH=i386

# Should source be mirrored too?
SOURCE=no

# The sections to mirror (main, non-free, etc):
SECTIONS="main contrib non-free"

# The distribution to mirror:
if [ $ROOT = "debian" ]; then
   DISTS="stable testing"
   DISKS="disks-${ARCH}"
else
   DISTS="stable/non-US testing/non-US"
   DISKS=""
fi

# Should a contents file kept up to date?
CONTENTS=yes

# Should symlinks be generated to every deb, in an "all" directory?
# I find this is very handy to ease looking up deb filenames.
SYMLINK_FARM=yes

###
rsync () {
   if [ "$FLAGS_VERBOSE" ]; then
  echo "==="
  echo "rsync $@"
   fi
   /usr/bin/rsync "$@"
}

if [ "$SOURCE" = yes ]; then
   SOURCE=source
else
   SOURCE=""
fi

mkdir -p $DEST/$ROOT
HOSTNAME=`hostname --fqdn`
LOCK="$DEST/Archive-Update-in-Progress-${HOSTNAME}"

###

date -u > $LOCK

# Snarf the contents file.
if [ "$CONTENTS" = yes ]; then
   for DIST in $DISTS; do
  mkdir -p $DEST/$ROOT/dists/$DIST
  rsync $FLAGS_NOPOOL $FLAGS_NODO \
 $HOST/dists/$DIST/Contents-${ARCH}.gz \
 $DEST/$ROOT/dists/$DIST
   done
fi

# Download packages files (and .debs and sources too, until we move fully
# to pools).
for type in binary-all binary-${ARCH} $DISKS $SOURCE; do
   for section in $SECTIONS; do
   if [ $type = disks-${ARCH} -a $section != main ]; then continue; fi
  for DIST in $DISTS; do
 mkdir -p $DEST/$ROOT/dists/$DIST/$section/$type
 rsync $FLAGS_NOPOOL $FLAGS_NODO \
$HOST/dists/$DIST/$section/$type \
$DEST/$ROOT/dists/$DIST/$section/
  done
   done
done

# Update the package pool.
# TODO: probably needs to be optimized, we'll see as time goes by..
mkdir -p $DEST/$ROOT/pool
cd $DEST/$ROOT/pool || exit 1
: > .filelist

# Get a list of all the files that are in the pool based on the Packages
# files that were already updated. Thanks to aj for the awk-fu.
for DIST in $DISTS; do
   for file in `find $DEST/$ROOT/dists/$DIST -name Packages.gz | \
  xargs -r zgrep -i ^Filename: | cut -d ' ' -f 2 | \
  grep ^pool/` \
   `find $DEST/$ROOT/dists/$DIST -name Sources.gz | \
  xargs -r zcat | awk '   /^Directory:/ \
  {D=$2} /Files:/,/^$/ \
  { \
 if ($1 != "Files:" && $0 != "") \
 print D "/" $3; \
  }' | \
  grep ^pool/`
   do
   DIRS="`dirname $file` $DIRS"
   echo $file >> .filelist
   done
done

if [ -e .filelist -a ! -s .filelist ]; then
  echo "WARNING: empty .filelist!"
fi

# Remove leading "pool" from all 

Re: Close list

[Hamish Moffatt]

On Fri, Dec 22, 2000 at 07:52:21PM -0800, Carl B. Constantine wrote:
> No one should be allowed to post to ANY mail list that is NOT subscribed to
> that list! 

It's pretty common place on these lists, so I don't think we're about
to stop it. Sorry.


Now maybe if we were using the RBL, DUL, and RSS lists... :-)



Hamish
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Re: Close list

[Carl B. Constantine]

On 12/23/2000 15:10, Hamish Moffatt at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> 
> Now maybe if we were using the RBL, DUL, and RSS lists... :-)
> 
> 

I think that would be a good compromise position. Any chance we can
implement that at least? It would go a long way to accomplish both goals:
disallow spammers
allow posts from outside those subscribed

Comments?

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Re: partial mirroring script (that actually doesn't work)

[esoR ocsirF]

ACK,
Sorry about replying to my own message but there is one little thing 
missing from the script. It doesn't make the codename symlinks to the 
distributions. Here is a fix for that. I put it just before the pools 
get handled.

# Generate the sym links that refer to each of the dists
for DIST in $DISTS; do
   zgrep ^Filename
   $DEST/$ROOT/dists/$DIST/main/binary-$(ARCH)/Packages.gz | \
   head -1 | cut -d "/" -f 2 > $SYMDIST
   ln -s $DEST/$ROOT/dists/$DIST $DEST/$ROOT/dists/$SYMDIS
done
 

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Re: Close list

[Robert van der Meulen]

Quoting Carl B. Constantine ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> >  Now maybe if we were using the RBL, DUL, and RSS lists...
> > :-) 
> > 
> disallow spammers 
> allow posts from outside those subscribed
We already allow spammers:

The Debian Linux mailing lists accept commercial advertising for payment.
We offer a fee waiver if you can show us the canceled check for a $1000
(U.S.) or more donation to "Software in the Public Interest" (SPI). One
donation per advertisement, please. If you don't wish to donate, simply post
your advertisement to the list, and the operator of the mailing lists will
bill you $1999 (U.S). The list operator will donate this amount, minus the
expense of collecting it, to SPI. 

As someone in an earlier thread 'challenged' me, i wouldn't mind taking care
of this for the Debian mailing lists i'm on. I am not a listmaster, so I
don't know if i'm allowed to do the billing 'n' stuff.
I still think it's a better idea to 'filter' the spam by a closed list, and
a couple of people who moderate off-the-list messages, but according to the
amount of commentary i recieved back on that, people seem to disagree with
it :)
Is it a good idea if i do this ? Can i do this ? Can i do this while not
being in the US (as most spammers seem to be from the US) ? What do we do
with non-paying spammers ?

Greets,
Robert

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Re: Boost Windows Reliability!!!!!

[Robert van der Meulen]

Quoting John Galt ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> You going to send them the bill then?  At the bottom off the mailinglist
> subscription page:

> I think that you have some volunteers to send dunning notices within this
> thread (myself included).  If you already are, could you post a summary of
> your actions and results on a periodic basis to somewhere that we can
> refer the "close the list" thread starters to?
Count me in. See also the post in a thread later on in debian-devel.

Greets,
Robert

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Re: update excuses.. how to read them

[Bernd Eckenfels]

On Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 06:14:08PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
> That's not entirely trivial, so it might take a while, but it does seem
> like a decent idea. What sort of reports would we be talking about,
> exactly?

Well, would be enough for me to get a mail like the one i get from
debinstall everytime a package is moved to testing and the first time a package
should be moved to testing but is blocked. 

"your package foo with version 1.2 is now present in testing on ftp-master"

"your package foo with version 1.2 can not be moved to testing because alpha
bins are missing".

Greetings
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Re: Boost Windows Reliability!!!!!

[J.A. Bezemer]

On Thu, 21 Dec 2000, Ben Collins wrote:

> On Fri, Dec 22, 2000 at 01:06:53AM +0100, Robert van der Meulen wrote:
> > Quoting Bas Zoetekouw ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> > > > Now you can boost the reliability of ordinary Windows 3.x, 95 and 98 to
> > > > nearly the level of Windows NT or 2000, Microsoft's professional and 
> > > > industrial
> > > > version of Windows.
> > > Hmm, the debian lists get quite a lot of spam lately. Is there anything
> > > that can be done about this?
> > Close debian-devel for posting by non-subscribers, ask for volunteers who
> > would like to 'moderate' debian-devel, and have them look at the rejected
> > messages and accept them if on-topic. 
> > Every mailing list i know has these functions, I was also wondering why we
> > weren't using such a system ;)
> 
> Every mailing list software might have these functions, but none of the
> open project mailing lists that I know of do this. linux-kernel, gcc,
> glibc, openldap.
> 
> There's a very good reason for this. Not the least of which is the effort
> in keeping it up. Secondly, not all developers use the same email
> accounts. I, for example, have three email accounts from which I post to
> Debian-devel.

A possible solution would be to have two types of subscribers to each list,
let's call them "moderators" and "dontwantspams". "Moderators" get every
message to the list instantly. "Dontwantspams" get messages instantly that
fall in any of these categories:
 a) come from subscribed e-mail addresses,
 b) come from e-mail addresses that have posted successfully at least twice
before,
 c) contain any one of "Debian" or "potato"/"woody"/whatever in the message
body.
"Dontwantspams" do get all other messages as well, but with a few hour's delay
-- except if they are canceled by one of the "moderators". If moderators reply
instead of cancel, "dontwantspams" will receive both messages at once.
"Moderators" can also cancel messages if they're already sent to
"dontwantspams", which will mean that subsequent messages from the same
address won't match category b).

Okay, this would probably require major modifications in the mailing list
software, but I guess this is one of the very few moderation methods that
might actually work (and be manageable) without hindering discussion in a big
way.


Regards (and merry Christmas),
  Anne Bezemer

Re: Close list

[Miles Bader]

Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> Now maybe if we were using the RBL, DUL, and RSS lists... :-)
> 

GNU mailing lists (supposedly) use RBL, but in a mode where `spam' isn't
deleted, but rather just gets a header added saying `this message is
considered suspicious'.  That allows individual recipients to do as they
see fit.

That seems like it would be useful, and I fail to see how anyone could
object to it...

-Miles
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Re: Close list

[Hamish Moffatt]

On Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 10:18:55AM +0900, Miles Bader wrote:
> Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > 
> > Now maybe if we were using the RBL, DUL, and RSS lists... :-)
> > 
> 
> GNU mailing lists (supposedly) use RBL, but in a mode where `spam' isn't
> deleted, but rather just gets a header added saying `this message is
> considered suspicious'.  That allows individual recipients to do as they
> see fit.
> 
> That seems like it would be useful, and I fail to see how anyone could
> object to it...

I agree.


Hamish
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Re: Close list

[Joseph Carter]

On Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 04:02:34PM -0800, Carl B. Constantine wrote:
> > 
> > Now maybe if we were using the RBL, DUL, and RSS lists... :-)
> > 
> 
> I think that would be a good compromise position. Any chance we can
> implement that at least? It would go a long way to accomplish both goals:
> disallow spammers
> allow posts from outside those subscribed
> 
> Comments?

I have a comment:  NO WAY IN HELL.  The day that we start rejecting DUL
posts is the day that several people leave the project, me included.  How
many ISPs these days route mail worth a damn?

The RBL is a reasonable list and is a last resort anyway.  RSS is a
concern, but I would accept it if the majority of people felt it was
necessary.  The DUL is just going to hurt Debian.

I'm still on at least one mailing list that I _CANNOT_ even unsub from
because mail is filtered before it ever gets to the requester.  Needless
to say, I have considered taking drastic action regarding this stupidity.
For the record, I'm talking about the GGI Project's ggi-develop list,
which I used to follow.

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Re: the experimental mutt package

[Bernd Eckenfels]

On Fri, Dec 22, 2000 at 11:04:42PM +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote:
> Some days ago I uploaded mutt 1.3.12 to experimental.
> Please test it, because if people will not complain I'm going to upload
> it to woody.

Besides that I am unable to turn off the APOP trial on each POP-3 Fetch
(Documentatio issue I guess) it works fine for me.

The Documentation is somewhat outdated, the manual talks from value "ask"
een if that is not supported (instead: ask-no, ask-yes)

BTW: you will upload it to sid not woody :)

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Re: Singapore Linux Conference

[Eray Ozkural \(exa\)]

Branden Robinson wrote:
> 
> Wow, I may have to revise my opinion of France, then.

Isn't France the same country that tried to spy on Netscape's SSL
implementation?

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Re: biweekly debian-installer status report

[Eray Ozkural \(exa\)]

Randolph Chung wrote:
> >  The recent article in one of the Linux magazines about using netboot
> >  and dhcp to automate installs in a computing lab was very
> >  interesting.  How can debian installer do something like that?
> 
> i didn't see this article, but in many cases these are done with ghost
> images -- you create a boot image, and all machines either boot with
> that image (nfsroot type), or you duplicate the image over to the machine.
> 
> it would seem that automated installs using either an "answer file" that
> is part of your installation media, or using configuration gotten from a
> central configuration database (ldap, pgsql, or what have you) will give
> you the flexibility needed to do mass installs in, for example, a lab
> environment.
> 

Of course you've checked Thomas Lange's FAI. The new installer should provide
the same functionality as FAI.

Thanks,

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Re: libapache-asp-perl - perl Apache::ASP - Active Server Pages for Apache with mod_perl.

[Peter Palfrader]

Hi Stephen!

On Fri, 22 Dec 2000, Stephen Zander wrote:

> > "Piotr" == Piotr Roszatycki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Piotr> ITO: libapache-asp-perl
> Piotr> ITO: libapache-filter-perl
> Piotr> ITO: libapache-ssi-perl
> Piotr> ITO: libcgi-pm-perl
> Piotr> ITO: libdbd-csv-perl
> Piotr> ITO: libhtml-clean-perl
> Piotr> ITO: libhtml-simpleparse-perl
> Piotr> ITO: libsql-statement-perl
> Piotr> ITO: libtext-csv-perl
> 
> I will happily pick all these up.

Please rename the bugs against package "wnpp" from "O: *" to "ITA: *".


 * #80287: O: libapache-asp-perl - perl Apache::ASP - Active Server Pages 
for Apache with mod_perl.
   Package: wnpp; Reported by: Piotr Roszatycki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>.
 * #80288: O: libapache-filter-perl - perl Apache::Filter - Alter the 
output of previous handlers.
   Package: wnpp; Reported by: Piotr Roszatycki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>.
 * #80289: O: libapache-ssi-perl - perl Apache::SSI - Implement Server Side 
Includes in Perl.
   Package: wnpp; Reported by: Piotr Roszatycki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>.
 * #80290: O: libcgi-pm-perl - perl CGI - Simple Common Gateway Interface 
Class.
   Package: wnpp; Reported by: Piotr Roszatycki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>.
 * #80291: O: libdbd-csv-perl - perl DBD::CSV - DBI driver for CSV files
   Package: wnpp; Reported by: Piotr Roszatycki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>.
 * #80292: O: libhtml-clean-perl - perl HTML::Clean - Cleans up HTML code 
for web browsers, not humans.
   Package: wnpp; Reported by: Piotr Roszatycki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>.
 * #80293: O: libhtml-simpleparse-perl - perl HTML::SimpleParse - a 
bare-bones HTML parser.
   Package: wnpp; Reported by: Piotr Roszatycki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>.
 * #80294: O: libsql-statement-perl - perl HTML::SimpleParse - a bare-bones 
HTML parser.
   Package: wnpp; Reported by: Piotr Roszatycki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>.
 * #80295: O: libtext-csv-perl - perl Text::CSV_XS - comma-separated values 
manipulation routines
   Package: libtext-csv-perl; Reported by: Piotr Roszatycki <[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]>.

[Note: I just reassigned 80295 to wnpp]

yours,
peter

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What do you wish for in an package manager?

[Dwayne C . Litzenberger]

Hello!

I'm starting work on a new linux package manager.  The idea is to be able to
replace rpm, dpkg, apt, dselect (backend) with one,written mostly from scratch
and designed to be as simple (code, not features) and clean as possible.  For
now, the work will be strictly academic, but if it works out, it may evolve
into future standard package manager.

So my question is: What do you wish for in a package manager?

Cheers

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Re: What do you wish for in an package manager?

[Ethan Benson]

On Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 10:47:00PM -0600, Dwayne C . Litzenberger wrote:
> Hello!
> 
> I'm starting work on a new linux package manager.  The idea is to be able to
> replace rpm, dpkg, apt, dselect (backend) with one,written mostly from scratch
> and designed to be as simple (code, not features) and clean as possible.  For
> now, the work will be strictly academic, but if it works out, it may evolve
> into future standard package manager.
> 
> So my question is: What do you wish for in a package manager?

the debian packaging system answered most things i want from a
packaging system.  what exactly is missing/wrong with the debian
packaging system that makes you feel the need for wheel reinvention?  

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