Re: non-hub 10baseT connections

[Vincent Renardias]

On Mon, 29 Dec 1997, Stephen Zander wrote:

> This is a little off-topic but given my intent I hope no one minds...
> 
> I have a spare SUN Sparc-5 that I'd like to configure as a linux box (why?
> because I can :)).  Anyway, my *entire* network is token-ring and I don't
> have a spare token-ring card (let alone a linux driver) so my question is:
> 
>   can I direct connect two 10baseT ethernet ports?

Yes, you can, but you need a special ethernet cable with a pair of wires
crossed. (I made a few ones, but you should consider to buy it if you have
no special wiring knowledge. Costs about $8 here.)

> I can setup the SUN on my desk to act as a router, no problem. I just don't
> have a 10baseT hub lying around, nor the money for one :(

The above solution works; However there are some 6 port microhubs
available for less than $100. (Great when friends come home with they
machines for a multiuser Quake game ;) 

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Re: non-hub 10baseT connections

[Stephen Zander]

Vincent Renardias wrote:
> Yes, you can, but you need a special ethernet cable with a pair of wires
> crossed. (I made a few ones, but you should consider to buy it if you have
> no special wiring knowledge. Costs about $8 here.)

Given the specs, I could but not without tools :) Looks like I go shopping.

> The above solution works; However there are some 6 port microhubs
> available for less than $100. (Great when friends come home with they
> machines for a multiuser Quake game ;) 

Eventually I may go this route, but not straight after Christmas (only
computer at home arrived this Christmas & is being used my kids :))

Thanks for the info

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Re: Intend to take over wmaker, application?

[Joey Hess]

Karl M. Hegbloom wrote:
>  Yes!  When I tried it, the icons it made where like static on a color
> TV set.  It looked like it was supposed to be making minitures of the
> windows, but wasn't working right.

Hmm I saw that once (with 0.6.3). I rearranged my pixmap path, and it 
went away. A very weird bug.

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Re: non-hub 10baseT connections

[Thomas Lakofski]

On Mon, 29 Dec 1997, Stephen Zander wrote:

> Vincent Renardias wrote:
> > Yes, you can, but you need a special ethernet cable with a pair of wires
> > crossed. (I made a few ones, but you should consider to buy it if you have
> > no special wiring knowledge. Costs about $8 here.)
> 
> Given the specs, I could but not without tools

You'd be surprised... I described a cross cable to a friend of mine, and
told him that he'd have to go and get one made up or get some tools.  He
mailed me back 5 minutes later to tell me that he'd got it working. I
asked him how, he said he'd pried the cable apart, done the cross (he'd
never seen ethernet before, and yet he got it right), and then used duct
tape to 'secure' the cable back in the cable end. It worked, and it still
does.

Wouldn't try this for a production system though... ;)

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Re: non-hub 10baseT connections

[Stephen Zander]

Thomas Lakofski wrote:
> You'd be surprised... I described a cross cable to a friend of mine, and
> told him that he'd have to go and get one made up or get some tools.  He
> mailed me back 5 minutes later to tell me that he'd got it working. I
> asked him how, he said he'd pried the cable apart, done the cross (he'd
> never seen ethernet before, and yet he got it right), and then used duct
> tape to 'secure' the cable back in the cable end. It worked, and it still
> does.

OK, then, which two wires need crossing?

> Wouldn't try this for a production system though... ;)

Why not, I've worked on production that were worse. :)

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Re: non-hub 10baseT connections

[Alex Yukhimets]

> Thomas Lakofski wrote:
> > You'd be surprised... I described a cross cable to a friend of mine, and
> > told him that he'd have to go and get one made up or get some tools.  He
> > mailed me back 5 minutes later to tell me that he'd got it working. I
> > asked him how, he said he'd pried the cable apart, done the cross (he'd
> > never seen ethernet before, and yet he got it right), and then used duct
> > tape to 'secure' the cable back in the cable end. It worked, and it still
> > does.
> 
> OK, then, which two wires need crossing?

Check out ETHERNET-HOWTO for very detailed instructions.

Alex Y.

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Re: non-hub 10baseT connections

[Vincent Renardias]

On Mon, 29 Dec 1997, Stephen Zander wrote:

> Thomas Lakofski wrote:
> > You'd be surprised... I described a cross cable to a friend of mine, and
> > told him that he'd have to go and get one made up or get some tools.  He
> > mailed me back 5 minutes later to tell me that he'd got it working. I
> > asked him how, he said he'd pried the cable apart, done the cross (he'd
> > never seen ethernet before, and yet he got it right), and then used duct
> > tape to 'secure' the cable back in the cable end. It worked, and it still
> > does.
> 
> OK, then, which two wires need crossing?

http://www.blackdown.org/~hwb/ca_Ethernet10BaseTCrossover.html
(the short answer being 1<->3 and 2<->6)



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Re: Yet another glibc pre-release

[Karl M. Hegbloom]

> "Stephen" == Stephen Zander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Stephen> David Engel wrote:
>> Use -profile instead of -pg/-lc_p when profiling, e.g.  $ gcc
>> -profile -o t t.c

Stephen> Thanks! That makes it a gcc bug instead. :) (-profile is
Stephen> not mentioned anywhere in the docs.)

 Which reminds me... does `egcc' come with documentation that
describes the new optimizations and ??? that it has?  I don't think
that the `gcc' info I have reflects that, and there's not an `egcc'
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Re: problems with nfs and libc6

[David Engel]

On Tue, Dec 30, 1997 at 12:15:00AM +0100, Martin Schulze wrote:
> today I upgraded the machine that hosts my debian mirror to libc6.
> Everyhthing went fine, only some partially resolved dependencies took
> some time but didn't meant a problem.  Thanks to StormCrow for his
> FAQ.
> ...
> Does anybody have an idea where the problem is?  Under normal
> circumstances this would prevent my debian mirror to be visible to
> most of the machines - I treat this as mission critical.

Something weird must have changed again in glibc.  Recompiling netbase
and netstd again with glibc-2.0.6-1 fixed it for me.  The new versions
were just uploaded.

Would someone with more RPC knowledge than me, hopefully Peter Tobias,
please look into this.

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Re: problems with nfs and libc6

[Martin Schulze]

On Mon, Dec 29, 1997 at 08:55:26PM -0600, David Engel wrote:

> > Does anybody have an idea where the problem is?  Under normal
> > circumstances this would prevent my debian mirror to be visible to
> > most of the machines - I treat this as mission critical.
> 
> Something weird must have changed again in glibc.  Recompiling netbase
> and netstd again with glibc-2.0.6-1 fixed it for me.  The new versions
> were just uploaded.

Thanks a lot, I'll try them tomorrow when the occor on my mirror.

Regards

Joey

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Re: problems with nfs and libc6

[Martin Schulze]

On Mon, Dec 29, 1997 at 08:55:26PM -0600, David Engel wrote:

> > today I upgraded the machine that hosts my debian mirror to libc6.
> > Everyhthing went fine, only some partially resolved dependencies took
> > some time but didn't meant a problem.  Thanks to StormCrow for his
> > FAQ.
> > ...
> > Does anybody have an idea where the problem is?  Under normal
> > circumstances this would prevent my debian mirror to be visible to
> > most of the machines - I treat this as mission critical.
> 
> Something weird must have changed again in glibc.  Recompiling netbase
> and netstd again with glibc-2.0.6-1 fixed it for me.  The new versions
> were just uploaded.

Newer versions of netbase and netstd doesn't solve the problem here.
rpc.nfsd still dies.  Even a re-compilation of my own didn't help.

Regards

Joey

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Re: problems with nfs and libc6

[Michael Alan Dorman]

Martin Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
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> On Mon, Dec 29, 1997 at 08:55:26PM -0600, David Engel wrote:
> 
> > > today I upgraded the machine that hosts my debian mirror to libc6.
> > > Everyhthing went fine, only some partially resolved dependencies took
> > > some time but didn't meant a problem.  Thanks to StormCrow for his
> > > FAQ.
> > > ...
> > > Does anybody have an idea where the problem is?  Under normal
> > > circumstances this would prevent my debian mirror to be visible to
> > > most of the machines - I treat this as mission critical.
> >=20
> > Something weird must have changed again in glibc.  Recompiling netbase
> > and netstd again with glibc-2.0.6-1 fixed it for me.  The new versions
> > were just uploaded.
> 
> Newer versions of netbase and netstd doesn't solve the problem here.
> rpc.nfsd still dies.  Even a re-compilation of my own didn't help.

uid/gid_squishing is broken in the version of the nfs server included
with current netstds.  Newer versions correct some of the problems,
but, as of week-before-last, not all.

Could this be your problem?

Mike.
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tetex URGENT: can't use ygoth font

[Yann Dirson]

Hi there,

I cannot have the ygoth fonts to work correctly, and would appreciate
some very-very-quick help.  Note that I don't use the latest versions
of tetex, and would be happy to download them iff they fix this
problem, but as I have a slow modem link, I'd prefer to be sure what
the way to the fix is.

Here is a test file:

\documentclass{minimal}
\usepackage{oldgerm}

\begin{document}
\textgoth{This is some text.}
\end{document}


Compilation works fine. But dvips fails: it seems that mf produces
output (despite many "Strange path" warnings), but no file is created
in /var/spool/texmf/pk/ljfour/public/gothic/, which may explain why
dvips says "Font ygoth not found".

The spool dir and subdirs have mode 1777, so I think that at least
should be OK.


$ dvips font-test -o
This is dvipsk 5.58f Copyright 1986, 1994 Radical Eye Software
' TeX output 1997.12.30:1356' -> font-test.ps
kpathsea: Running MakeTeXPK ygoth 600 600 1+0/600 ljfour
MakeTeXPK: Running mf \mode:=ljfour; mag:=1+0/600; scrollmode; input ygoth
This is METAFONT, Version 2.718 (C version 6.1)
[...]
Font metrics written on ygoth.tfm.
Output written on ygoth.600gf (124 characters, 30140 bytes).
Transcript written on ygoth.log.
MakeTeXPK: `mf \mode:=ljfour; mag:=1+0/600; scrollmode; input ygoth' failed.
kpathsea: Appending font creation commands to missfont.log.
dvips: Font ygoth not found, characters will be left blank.
dvips: Checksum mismatch in font 
/var/spool/texmf/pk/ljfour/public/cm/cmr10.600pk
. [1] 

Here are the versions of tetex I'm using:

base:  0.4pl8-4
bin:   0.4pl8-3
extra: 0.4pl8-2


BTW, I didn't find a way to access the changelogs from the packages
WWW pages.  It would be nice to add that, if I didn't miss them.

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Re: Python upgrade: dependency question

[Richard Braakman]

> An added complication is that I'd like to merge the mpz, gdbm, curses,  
> bsddb, net and stdwin packages back into python-misc.

You may want to keep python-mpz, python-curses, and python-gdbm as
separate packages, because they depend on gmp2, ncurses3.4, and
libgdbmg1 (respectively).  If they are merged into python-misc, then
those libraries have to be installed even if the python modules that
need them are never used.

> One problem is that python-base-1.4 is needed in the postrm's of all the  
> other 1.4 packages, therefore -base has to be the last to be replaced.  
> OTOH, base-1.5 should conflict with base (<< 1.5), while misc-1.5 will  
> depend on base (= 1.5), so I can't simple replace misc-1.4 and friends  
> with misc-1.5.

Let's see... I have stared at the packaging manual, section 6.3
("Details of unpack phase of installation or upgrade"), and I think
this can be made to work correctly.

You see, step 5 says:
 1. If the package is being upgraded, call
old-postrm upgrade new-version
 2. If this fails, dpkg will attempt:
new-postrm failed-upgrade old-version

If python-base is upgraded before (say) python-misc, then the postrm
from python-misc 1.4 will fail because
/usr/lib/python1.4/compileall.py is no longer there.  Then dpkg will
call the new postrm, which can check for the argument "failed-upgrade"
and a version number that starts with 1.4.  There you can add code
to handle the problem.

The main task of the compileall call in the postrm of these packages
is to remove the .pyc files of the python modules that have been
removed.  One way to do this is to explicitly list the .pyc files to
remove.  Another would be with a new option to compileall.py (only
delete, don't recompile), or with a bit of shell programming.

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hamm base disks?

[Simon's Mailing List Account]

does anybody have hamm base disks that need to be tested?
or do we still need to use the bo ones and then upgrade the base packages?

Thanks,
Simon

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Re: hamm base disks?

[Brandon Mitchell]

On Tue, 30 Dec 1997, Simon's Mailing List Account wrote:

> does anybody have hamm base disks that need to be tested?
> or do we still need to use the bo ones and then upgrade the base packages?

The testing group is waiting for Sven to put them together, and I haven't 
heard any estimates.  BTW, are you in the Debian Testing Group (I don't
have my list of active members here)?  If not, you sound like a perfect
candidate.  Let me know if you are interested.

Brandon


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timezone/timezones problems

[Mark W. Eichin]

So, timezone (7.48-3) is installed, and "required", so dpkg won't
remove it.  timezones (2.06-1) is available, and "replaces/conflicts"
timezone, but dpkg (1.4.0.19) won't replace it, even with
auto-deconfigure.  Is there a non-"force" way to handle this?



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Re: timezone/timezones problems

[Robert D. Hilliard]

 This is Bug#16260.

 Bob

On 30 Dec 1997, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark W. Eichin) wrote:

> So, timezone (7.48-3) is installed, and "required", so dpkg won't
> remove it.  timezones (2.06-1) is available, and "replaces/conflicts"
> timezone, but dpkg (1.4.0.19) won't replace it, even with
> auto-deconfigure.  Is there a non-"force" way to handle this?


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Re: GUS driver package

[Enrique Zanardi]

On Mon, 29 Dec 1997, Martin Soto wrote:

> Hi:
> 
> This is to state my intention of packaging the kernel drivers for the
> Gravis Ultrasound family of sound cards, made by Jaroslav Kysela and
> the Linux Ultrasound Project (see http://home.pf.jcu.cz/~perex/ultra/).
> If nobody objects, I'll be uploading a first version of the packages in
> a couple of days.

There is an "unofficial" deb package of the ultra driver. There is a link
form Jaroslav's pages to the ftp site where you can download it. I've
been using it for a while and it works fine, but the mantainer doesn't
want to contribute it until he learns how to "debianize" the sources
(right now he compiles the thing, moves everything to place by hand and
then dpkg-build the binary package). If you want I can send you his
address (don't have it here right now) and you two can coordinate, to avoid
duplicating efforts.

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Re: tetex URGENT: can't use ygoth font

[Olaf Weber]

Yann Dirson writes:

> Compilation works fine. But dvips fails: it seems that mf produces
> output (despite many "Strange path" warnings), but no file is created
> in /var/spool/texmf/pk/ljfour/public/gothic/, which may explain why
> dvips says "Font ygoth not found".

Older versions of the MakeTeX scripts assume that the font wasn't
created if strange path errors occured.  This is fixed in the most
recent versions.  I'm not entirely certain this was already fixed in
teTeX 0.4pl8.

The relevant change looks like this, and should be made to both
MakeTeXPK and MakeTeXTFM:

-echo "$0: Running $cmd"
-$cmd &2; exit 1; }
+echo "$progname: Running $cmd"
+$cmd $$.errs 2>/dev/null
+  grep '^! Strange path' $$.errs >$$.strange 2>/dev/null
+  if cmp $$.errs $$.strange >/dev/null 2>&1 \
+&& test -s $$.strange >/dev/null 2>&1; then
+echo "$progname: warning: \`$cmd' caused strange path errors." >&2
+  else
+echo "$progname: \`$cmd' failed." >&2
+exit 1;
+  fi
+}


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Re: hamm base disks?

[bruce]

I will be working on the boot-floppies package for the next few days.
Hopefully I will have a working boot-floppy tomorrow. I would generate
a set of base disks after that if nobody else has.

Thanks

Bruce


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Fwd: package format standard

[Joel Klecker]

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>(POSIX.7.2).  I already have a parser for the metadata files, a
>cpio2tar translator, and some C++ classes which model the software
>information structures as described in the standard.  I am working on
>some SGML(-tools) manpages for the
>format,metadata files, keywords etc.
>
>I hope to have a partial working
>version of swpackage() and a rpm-like utility in a few months.  I
>really want to get out some documentation to be posted somewhere and
>so others can contribute without having to buy the standard from IEEE.
>
>My plan is to provide a system which can be a backend for existing
>package managers (i.e rpm, dpkg).  This will atleast create a common
>package format leaving the utility itself, and installed package database
>as components which distribution vendors can use to differentiate themselves.
>
>/ Jim Lowe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>
>

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Re: hamm base disks?

[Simon's Mailing List Account]

sure... put me in, esp. since i'm in the process (as we speak) of
switching a couple production machines from redhat 4.2 to debian hamm.

also, please use [EMAIL PROTECTED] for testing group mail
so it isn't lost in the flood of mailing list stuff.

Thanks,
Simon

On Tue, 30 Dec 1997, Brandon Mitchell wrote:

> On Tue, 30 Dec 1997, Simon's Mailing List Account wrote:
> 
> > does anybody have hamm base disks that need to be tested?
> > or do we still need to use the bo ones and then upgrade the base packages?
> 
> The testing group is waiting for Sven to put them together, and I haven't 
> heard any estimates.  BTW, are you in the Debian Testing Group (I don't
> have my list of active members here)?  If not, you sound like a perfect
> candidate.  Let me know if you are interested.
> 
> Brandon
> 

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Intend to package gtk-- ...

[Marcus Brinkmann]

Hello!

I plan to package gtk--, a C++ wrapper for Gtk, the famous set of widgets
behind The GIMP, as everybody (should) know... at least, if there isn't
anybody who is more knowledgable.

As soon I have it ready, I would put it on my personal web site and announce
it, because I'm not acknowledged as developer (yet, should be soon).

As this would be my second package (my first is xscavenger, which already
existed and which I have taken over now ;), and my first one containing
shared libs, I will surely come back to you with a lot of questions ;)

About gtk-- (a pretty ugly name for a debian package).

It is version 0.6.3 by now, and does a Good Thing it seems: It provides an
OO interface to Gtk. As you probably know, Gtk itself is OO'ed, but
implemented in C, so the idea is not too far, isn't it?

Some features:
 * typesafe callback support
 * classes use the neat C++ syntax, derivation from classes, overriding
   virtual methods with C++ syntax

There are a lot of misfeatures 'though:
lack of documentation, gdk not fully supported yet, many others...

see http://www.iki.fi/terop/gtk/gtk--.html for more information.

Thank you,
Marcus

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Re: tetex URGENT: can't use ygoth font

[Yann Dirson]

Yann Dirson writes:
 > I cannot have the ygoth fonts to work correctly, and would appreciate
 > some very-very-quick help.

OK, thanks to all for your quick answers,  and especially to Olaf for
the fix. For those interested by the fix, here it is:

Manually apply thefollowing diff to both MakeTexPK and MakeTexTFM:


-echo "$0: Running $cmd"
-$cmd &2; exit 1; }
+echo "$progname: Running $cmd"
+$cmd $$.errs 2>/dev/null
+  grep '^! Strange path' $$.errs >$$.strange 2>/dev/null
+  if cmp $$.errs $$.strange >/dev/null 2>&1 \
+&& test -s $$.strange >/dev/null 2>&1; then
+echo "$progname: warning: \`$cmd' caused strange path errors." >&2
+  else
+echo "$progname: \`$cmd' failed." >&2
+exit 1;
+  fi
+}


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I LOST mail between 21 Dec and 24 Dec.

[Yann Dirson]

Hi all of you,

I had a mail problem with my ISP between the 21th and the 24th of
december, which ended in >300 mails lost.

If some of you emailed me any message during this period, there are
good chances I didn't get it, and you should probably resend it.

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Device files

[Martin Soto]

Hi all:

I'm packaging a kernel driver for the Gravis Ultrasound sound card.  It 
requires some special device files to be created (in addition to those 
normally used by the OSS driver) in order for all of its features to work.  My 
question is, how should I create the device files?

By now, I'm running from the postinst script a script included with the driver 
sources, that creates the device files directly.  However, there's no 
equivalent script for removing them later, so I would have to put code in the 
prerm script to do that.   Is that the right way of doing things or there's a 
better method available (like, for example inserting lines in the MAKEDEV 
config files or dropping a file in a certain directory, a la System V)?

Thanks a lot,

M. S.

Martin A. Soto J.   Profesor
Departamento de Ingenieria de Sistemas y Computacion
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