Re: Redhat not in favor of Qt & KDE - documented?
Red Hat doesn't like KDE because Qt because is not free software by _their_ definition, either. They support the GNOME development, and were happy to see Debian doing so as well. Thanks Bruce -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Modula-3 packages (Re: Experimental Anon-CVS Access)
For those on debian-devel: this started with a discussion about various CVS access methods for those on the Gnome mailing list. It then got slightly sidetracked to discuss Modula 3 (CVSup is written in M3.) Jim Pick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >"Thomas G. Lockhart" writes: > >> We started using CVSup for the PostgreSQL project back in September. We >> got great support from the developer, John Polstra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, >> and it has been working well^H^H^H^H very well for us since. > >Is that the size of Modula 3 the only big problem? Yes. The other problem -- much smaller -- is that the CVSup makefiles are very FreeBSD-specific. That's easily got around, though.. they only invoke m3build for each directory. (AFAICT) >> The biggest downside is the cost of the first >> installation: ~200MB to install Modula3! (This is my recollection, >> and there may be ways to shrink that substantially.) > >That's what's holding me back on Linux - there isn't a Debian package of >Modula 3, and it looks like a big job to make one up. It is. Believe me. I've got a preliminary package virtually finished of Modula 3 -- it's working quite nicely, actually. On and off, it took me about five or six months to do it (mind you, that was in the middle of the university year, so it probably would have taken about one month otherwise.) The only thing that's really holding me back from releasing it is the problem of producing both libc5- and libc6-based shared libraries. (Oh, and as yet, I haven't compiled it against libc6.) If the general consensus is that this isn't a problem, I'll be more than happy to downgrade (currently running a sort-of-upgraded-to-hamm system :), and produce the packages. As for shrinking the ~200MB for Modula 3 -- that's easily done. I could provide (libc5-based, unfortunately) shared libraries for M3 programs -- libm3, etc. -- which require around 3 or 4MB; or CVSup can be linked statically (which dramatically reduces that overhead.) Once I've got M3 working to my satisfaction, it'll go into experimental (I _definitely_ want feedback from M3 users with regards to how I've split up the packages). When it's in the main distribution, I'll also be packaging up CVSup, which should be fairly easy. (especially in comparison to M3 :-) Problems: * University closes on Wednesday (24th December), re-opening on January 5th. * I look like starting full-time work on January 12th (assuming all goes well with various interviews, etc.. I've made it past the first interview for a job I'm rather interested in.) * I _don't_ have any Internet connection other than Monash. * My Monash accounts will be (mostly) deleted around the end of February. * I don't know if/when I'll be able to get Internet access from home. (my father's being a _real_ stick-in-the-mud in this respect -- and besides, I can't afford a second phone line right now, which, as far as my father's concerned, is a pre-requisite. Ah, the joys of living at home with the parents.. :-/ ) The first issue isn't a major hassle. Neither is the second, as I'll still be able to hop onto university machines for a while. The third and fourth issues _are_ the hassles at the moment -- I don't know if I'll be able to keep everything up-to-date. As things stand, I'm hoping that a colleague will keep open my accounts on certain systems in the library. If that's the case, it'll be a simple matter to use those systems to keep in touch until I get full connectivity through an ISP of some sort. Otherwise... I'll put copies of the debian/ directory (from the bootstrap compiler and the Modula-3 sources) on my webpage, and email debian-devel when it's accessible. Somebody else wrote, in a subsequent email message: > I think someone with programming experience and Debian package > building experience could put together a M3 package with no more > trouble than doing something like libc6... non-trivial, but not > undoable. If it's not done in two years, I'll take a shot at it. As I've already said, it's practically done. I'm happy to make my work available to those who are interested. Be warned: a lot of the work is done in a number of shell scripts that make extensive use of sed. They probably should be rewritten in Perl; I've started doing so, but since I'm also learning Perl as I go, it'll take some time. :-) Build time: I have a 486 DX4-100, with 48MB of RAM, and a fair chunk (2.1G, I think) of (IDE) hard drive. It takes around 3 to 4 hours from start to finish. (This includes all the shuffling around of files into the Debian package heirarchy, the generation of diff files, etc.) Cheers.. Merry Christmas, Happy New Year, etc. to all involved in the Debian and Gnome projects. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
out for a week
I'll be out of touch for the week starting Sunday 21 December. Have a Happy and a Merry, or vice versa ;-) Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_-_- Author of "The Debian User's Guide"_-_-_-_-_-_-_- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (904) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 _-_-_-_-_-_- If you don't see what you want, just ask _-_-_-_-_-_-_- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
what is Debian's mailing address?
I have an envelope on my desk containing a xerox copy of my driver's license. I have been instructed to send it in so that I can finish getting approved as a maintainer. There's just one problem: I need an address to send it to. I've emailed new-maintainer about this and gotten no response. Can someone who is not going on vacation please supply the appropriate address? John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hasler) Dancing Horse Hill Elmwood, WI -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: what is Debian's mailing address?
On Sat, Dec 20, 1997 at 10:49:08PM -0600, John Hasler wrote: > I have an envelope on my desk containing a xerox copy of my driver's > license. I have been instructed to send it in so that I can finish getting > approved as a maintainer. There's just one problem: I need an address to > send it to. I've emailed new-maintainer about this and gotten no > response. Can someone who is not going on vacation please supply the > appropriate address? A scan of it sent to new-maintainer worked for me, if you have access to a scanner. Make sure you write your PGP fingerprint on it, for verification. I don't know the postal address, sorry. I doubt posting it to me to scan would be very efficient either, especially at this time of year :-) Hamish -- Hamish Moffatt, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Debian packages at ftp://ftp.rising.com.au/pub/hamish. PGP#EFA6B9D5 CCs of replies from mailing lists are welcome. http://hamish.home.ml.org -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Intent to package: `cvsweb-1.0'
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Karl M. Hegbloom) writes: > I'm planning to package `cvsweb-1.0'. > > Q: Where does it go? Experimental, or unstable/web? New software should typically go to unstable, unless it's really dangerous or something. Guy -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Mule trademarked?
I've just discovered that "The MULE" is a trademark. Check out http://www.hello.co.uk/altek/mule.html Does this mean we could get problems if we distribute emacs20 ? If so, I guess someone should contact RMS about that. Thanks, Chris -- Christian Schwarz [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], Don't know Perl? [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit PGP-fp: 8F 61 EB 6D CF 23 CA D7 34 05 14 5C C8 DC 22 BA http://www.perl.com http://fatman.mathematik.tu-muenchen.de/~schwarz/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: ppp & ppp-pam
On Thu, 18 Dec 1997, Philip Hands wrote: > > Philip Hands <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > Recommends: ppp-pam > > > > Recommends is for packages "found together in all but unusual > > sitations". > > > > It's certainly not appropriate here. I wouldn't even use Suggests. > > Just mention it in the description. > > I've gone for Suggests in the package I just uploaded. [snip] > I could be persuaded, since the non-PAM pppd is absolutely fine for > dial-out, and if that's the reason someone wants it, why force them to > install all the PAM drivel. Exactly. I'd vote for not "suggesting" ppp-pam, but to mention it in the package description. For example: ``If you want to set up a PPP dial-in server, you should also have a look at the PAM based PPP daemon included in the ppp-pam package, as it includes a more general way to specify your local security policies.'' (Some native englisch speaker should improve this, of course :-) Thanks, Chris -- Christian Schwarz Do you know [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], Debian GNU/Linux?[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit PGP-fp: 8F 61 EB 6D CF 23 CA D7 34 05 14 5C C8 DC 22 BA http://www.debian.org http://fatman.mathematik.tu-muenchen.de/~schwarz/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Emacs20 and mail file locking.
On 18 Dec 1997, Rob Browning wrote: > My question is, should I modify emacs to use maillock from liblockdev, > or it the emacs mechanism OK (what about NFS)? Note, that the policy requires you to use "libfilelock" (not "liblockdev" which is just for devices) to lock mail folders--or implement a compatible mechanism. Chris -- _,, Christian Schwarz / o \__ [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], ! ___; [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] \ / \\\__/ !PGP-fp: 8F 61 EB 6D CF 23 CA D7 34 05 14 5C C8 DC 22 BA \ / http://fatman.mathematik.tu-muenchen.de/~schwarz/ -.-.,---,-,-..---,-,-.,.-.- "DIE ENTE BLEIBT DRAUSSEN!" -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: what is Debian's mailing address?
> A scan of it sent to new-maintainer worked for me, if you have access to > a scanner. Make sure you write your PGP fingerprint on it, for > verification. >From the _Debian Developer's Reference_: > 1.2 Registering as a Debian developer > ... > ... > You should also include some mechanism by which we can verify your real-life > >identity. For example, any of the following mechanisms would suffice: > ... > * A scanned (or physically mailed) copy of any formal documents >certifying your identity (such as a birth certificate, national >ID card, U.S. Driver's License, etc.). > ... I do not have access to a scanner. I didn't mean to put any one to any trouble: I just took the underlined statement at face value. If I have to I can drive to Minneapolis and go to Kinko's or something. > * A pointer to a phone listing at which you could be reached (at our expense). > This phone listing should be verifiable independently through external means > such as a national directory-listing service or other authoritative source. I've already supplied a phone number. I can do so again. > * Any other mechanism by which you can establish your real-life identity with > reasonable certainty. Property tax statements, sales tax license, just tell me where to send the copies. -- John Hasler 715 639 2641 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hasler) Dancing Horse Hill N6512 110th St. Elmwood, WI 54740 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Is anyone working on COAS?
Hi all, In response to my "Debian Administration Tool" post, I was told that it had been decided that Caldera's COAS was to be the tool of choice. I was wondering if anyone was working on packaging it. If not, I'd like to do it. Thanks, Brian Bassett -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: IconPath, menu
[You (Karl M. Hegbloom)] > I've created a directory "/usr/X11R6/icons" for my own use. > that we need to have something like that, and a keeper of the icons. We already have the location, and it is standard: /usr/X11R6/include/X11/pixmaps/ There are over 300 pixmaps in there, a good deal of which are icons. As for a "keeper",there are several alternate icons packages. I think it would be a mistake to try to centralize icon maintenance. > All of the mini icons and whatnot from the various packages ought to > be consolidated into one icon package. Why? It sounds so hegemonic! That person would have to maintain icons for every possible application/service. > Other packages that require icons could suggest it, and the menu > system could use them if they're present, or not if they're not. The current flow is for application maintainers to bundle icons with their apps if possible, I believe. [snip] > Every package with a menu should have an icon. That's what's happening AFAIK, but the package maintainers are responsible. I don't know how their handling sizing issues and bit-depth issues but that's an issue for the debian-policy group I think. > The emacs icon is an example of one that's way too huge. :-) Yes, I use xemacs.xpm from the distribution, I put it in /usr/local/X11/include/pixmaps/ . .A. P. [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.onShore.com/> -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: IconPath, menu
Brian, Please go ahead and package it. When I built it, I left out the Qt support, however you can package the Qt support separately in "contrib" because it's dynamicaly loaded. Thanks Bruce -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
ldconfig warnings
Hi, This is a minor annoyance, but it always bothers me. When upgrading or reconfiguring, I chronically end up with "orphaned" lines in /etc/ld.so.conf. ie. Currently, on my main Pentium system... ldconfig: warning: can't open /usr/X11R6/lib/libgtk.so.1.0 (No such file or directory), skipping ldconfig: warning: can't open /usr/X11R6/lib/libgdk.so.1.0 (No such file or directory), skipping ldconfig: warning: can't open /usr/openwin/lib/libgtk.so.1.0 (No such file or directory), skipping ldconfig: warning: can't open /usr/openwin/lib/libgdk.so.1.0 (No such file or directory), skipping Currently, on my 386 system... ldconfig: warning: can't open /usr/local/lib (No such file or directory), skipping ldconfig: warning: can't open /usr/lib/i486-linuxaout/libdb.so.1 (No such file or directory), skipping ldconfig: warning: can't open /usr/lib/libpthread.so (No such file or directory), skipping ldconfig: warning: can't open /usr/lib/libjpeg.so.6a (No such file or directory), skipping It's easy enough to fix, just edit the /etc/ld.so.conf file and remove the offending "orphaned" lines. Anyways, I'm sure this is a chronic annoying problem everyone is experiencing. Is the cause is due to incorrect packaging of the shared libraries? I'm not sure. I'm just wondering if there is a way of automatically cleaning up after those (buggy?) packages are long gone... Or perhaps we need to enforce policy a bit better. If somebody could explain what exactly is going wrong in these packages - ie. what policy are they violating? Or is it dpkg's fault? Cheers, - Jim pgpxieJE6BPVo.pgp Description: PGP signature
Can I take wml and eperl?
Current situation: Heiko Schlittermann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> maintains wml and eperl. Last mentions of him in changelogs is Oct/Sep.. There are new versions out, both packages suffer a bug, etc. If no-one protests I'll make new versions of these (eperl is ready;) and upload - as soon as I can arrange an account on master, that is.. PS. Currently wml includes eperl, iselect, weblint, m4, txt2html etc. I intend to split these (atleast the bigger ones) to separate packages, and make wml depend on them. See /usr/doc/wml/COPYRIGHT.OTHER. No reason to have eperl or m4 installed twice.. But that cames *after* getting a working version out. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - it's a valid address w/o spam | +358-50-5124907 f u cn rd ths, thn u cn rd perl 2 | rm -rf / && echo bye-bye. | --tv -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: ldconfig warnings
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you wrote: [snip] >Currently, on my 386 system... > >ldconfig: warning: can't open /usr/local/lib (No such file or directory), >skipping >ldconfig: warning: can't open /usr/lib/i486-linuxaout/libdb.so.1 (No such file >or direct >ory), skipping >ldconfig: warning: can't open /usr/lib/libpthread.so (No such file or >directory), skippi >ng >ldconfig: warning: can't open /usr/lib/libjpeg.so.6a (No such file or >directory), skippi >ng [snip] >Is the cause is due to incorrect packaging of the shared >libraries? I'm not sure. Yes, I think so. BTW, I agree this is very annoying. >I'm just wondering if there is a way of automatically >cleaning up after those (buggy?) packages are long gone... > >Or perhaps we need to enforce policy a bit better. If >somebody could explain what exactly is going wrong in >these packages - ie. what policy are they violating? Yes, it is discussed in the Debian Packaging Manual, section 12. See: /usr/doc/dpkg/packaging.html/ch-sharedlibs.html You should just go ahead and file bugs against packages which don't include the .so link as part of the package. .A. P. [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.onShore.com/> -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Mule trademarked?
At least in the US, trademarks don't work that way. If "The MULE" were software, it would be worth checking if it were editing software, and *then* looking more closely; since the url you sent describes a hardware device, it's simply not a trademark conflict. "different namespaces" as it were. (Also, simple nouns make poor trademarks, but that's irrelevant in this case.) -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Ethernet Card Driver
I have installed debian linux on my PC (Pentium, MMX) and it works, but I am not able to use my network card. I have EtherExpress Pro/100 PCI card and I have used your driver for this card (Intel EtherExpress Pro 100). However, the driver was written for the processor i82557 while my processor is i82865. I am assuming that this is causing problems and would like to know if there is a driver available for this processor, or any other version later than i82557 that might be compatible with it. Best Regards, Sinisa Pajevic Division of Computer Research and Technology National Institutes of Health [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
