uploaded libc (5.4.23-6 (i386 source) to master

1997-05-23 Thread Helmut Geyer
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Format: 1.5
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 21:38:26 +0200
Source: libc
Binary: libc5 libc5-pic localebin libc5-dbg libc5-dev
Architecture: source i386
Version: 5.4.23-6
Distribution: frozen
Urgency: high
Maintainer: Helmut Geyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Description: 
 libc5  - The Linux C library version 5 (run-time libraries).
 libc5-dbg  - The Linux C library version 5 (debug files).
 libc5-dev  - The Linux C library version 5 (development files).
 libc5-pic  - Kit for building specialized versions of the shared C library.
 localebin  - The locale binaries of the Linux C library version 5.
Changes: 
 libc (5.4.23-6) frozen; urgency=high
 .
   * fix packaging mess up for frozen:
 add libc5-pic and localebin packages again. Remove libc5-altdev package.
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Re: Conflict between Packages file and actual files

1997-05-23 Thread Chris Walker
Dale Scheetz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> 
> On Thu, 22 May 1997, Bob Nielsen wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, 22 May 1997, Dale Scheetz wrote:
> > 
> > > On Thu, 22 May 1997, Bob Nielsen wrote:
> > > 
> > > > In /frozen, the packages file shows:
> > > > 
> > > > procmail_3.10.4-1.deb
> > > > modconf-0.2.9.deb
> > > > 
> > > > The actual files are:
> > > > 
> > > > procmail-3.10.4-2.deb
> > > > modconf-0.2.10.deb
> > > > 
> > > This is a mirror sync problem. The packages file on master is correct.
> > > Give the mirror you are using some time to catch up and try again, or, you
> > > can crate your own, correct, Packages file using dpkg-scanpackages.
> > 
> > I thought that might be the case, so I checked ftp.debian.org and got the
> > same answer.  I ended up ftp'ing the two files and installing with dpkg
> > rather than worry about dselect not accepting the packages file. 
> > 
> This is a continuous problem. I don't know why ftp.debian.org takes so
> long to get in sync with master, but the problem simply propogates from
> there to all the additional mirrors. Debian is the only distribution I
> know that depends so heavily on the accuracy of one file.

This sounds like a locking problem to me. 

If the archive on master changes while the mirror to ftp.debian.org is
running, then the packages file will obviously differ from the
contents of the archive. This can continue down the chain of
mirrors. 

Assuming no locking takes place, then differences become increasingly
likely as the time taken to update the mirror increases. Another
source of this is if the packages file on master is not updated
immediately after a package is added. These problems will presumably
settle if the archive is unchanged for a couple of days.
 
I strongly agree however that dselect ought to cope a lot better than it does
at present. I've had it fall over when it calls dpkg -iGROEB and a
package I'm not interested in has a broken symlink on the
archive. I've made a suggestion to the deity team that this should be
one thing to tackle.

Chris


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Re: rm -r * and the default prompt

1997-05-23 Thread Chris Fearnley
'Raul Miller wrote:'
>
>> '=?iso-8859-1?Q?Nicol=E1s_Lichtmaier?= wrote:'
>> > So I say: PS1="[\\u] \\h:\\w\\$ "   =D
>On May 21, Chris Fearnley wrote
>> No, PS1='[EMAIL PROTECTED]:\w\$ ' !
>> 
>I'd prefer PS1='\$ '
>
>However, if you want all that fanciness, a compromise is:
>PS1='[EMAIL PROTECTED] \W\$ '

How about:
PS1='\[\033[40;31m\]pwd: \[\033[40;33m\]\w \[\033[40;[EMAIL PROTECTED] '

I'll repeat my conclusion:  leave it as PS1="\\$ " and provide a
customization app for sysadmins to edit /etc/profile and another for
users to edit ~/.bash_profile (and other dotfiles too, of course) and
keep the installation's paws away from customizations that EVERYBODY
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Donald Becker's ethernet drivers

1997-05-23 Thread Raul Miller
Any chance of getting the ethernet drivers listed as "supported"
in the ethernet howto, but stored at cesdis.gsfc.nasa.gov instead
of in the main linux kernel, included in the base debian kernel
distribution?

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Missing xemacs

1997-05-23 Thread Tim Sailer
Since I didn't get an answer on -private, I'll do this the public
way. Xemacs seems to be missing from bo. It's in rex and hamm. I con-
sider a missing major package a bug unless there was a reason it
was pulled. Brian? Anyone?

Tim

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Re: Missing xemacs

1997-05-23 Thread Guy Maor
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tim Sailer) writes:

> Since I didn't get an answer on -private, I'll do this the public
> way. Xemacs seems to be missing from bo. It's in rex and hamm. I con-
> sider a missing major package a bug unless there was a reason it
> was pulled. Brian? Anyone?

See bug 8857.


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Re: Missing xemacs

1997-05-23 Thread Kevin Dalley
Guy,

I think you made the wrong decision here.  James LewisMoss never
responded to the 8857 bug list to your request for pulling xemacs.  In
fact, I couldn't find anyone other than yourself who supported the
decision to pull xemacs completely.  The discussion was whether
xemacs-19.14 or 19.15 was the best choice for bo.  Could you please
state your reasons for removing xemacs?  xemacs-19.14 doesn't have any
fatal flaws.  Bug 8857 suggested that 19.15 be the official bo xemacs;
it did not suggest that xemacs-19.14 be removed from bo distribution
entirely. 

xemacs-19.14 and emacs conflict, but that is generally not considered
a reason for removing a package.  xemacs-19.14 is usable and better
than nothing.  Perhaps I misunderstood our policy, but I thought that
a package should only be removed from stable if it has a critical
bug.  I didn't see any discussion on any mailing claiming that xemacs
has a critical bug.  In any case, the removal of xemacs requires
further discussion.

Please reconsider the decision to pull xemacs from bo.

Guy Maor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tim Sailer) writes:
> 
> > Since I didn't get an answer on -private, I'll do this the public
> > way. Xemacs seems to be missing from bo. It's in rex and hamm. I con-
> > sider a missing major package a bug unless there was a reason it
> > was pulled. Brian? Anyone?
> 
> See bug 8857.

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dselect/diety audit trail

1997-05-23 Thread Karl M. Hegbloom
> "Darren" == Darren/Torin/Who Ever <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Darren> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Amos Shapira, in an
Darren> immanent manifestation of deity, wrote:
>> Or an audit-trail of invocations of dpkg (e.g. "adduser 3.1-2
>> installed and configured successfully on Wed May 29 1997
>> 00:00:23, replaced adduser-3.1-0")

Darren> I asked for this a while back and was told that not very
Darren> many people wanted it.  I still think it would be a useful
Darren> feature...

 So do I.  It would make it a lot easier to do bug reports when things 
fail at installation or upgrade time.

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Re: dselect/diety audit trail

1997-05-23 Thread Peter Iannarelli
> From: Karl M. Hegbloom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
>  So do I.  It would make it a lot easier to do bug reports when things 
> fail at installation or upgrade time.
> 
> -- 

I agree. As a member of the deity team, I can tell you that
there will be an audit trail. This will be especially important
in phase 2 and 3 of deity as the intention is to provide
distributed  management of nodes on a network. Having
said that it would be next to impossible to manage these
nodes if there isn't an audit trail.


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Re: Donald Becker's ethernet drivers

1997-05-23 Thread Thomas Gebhardt

> Any chance of getting the ethernet drivers listed as "supported"
> in the ethernet howto, but stored at cesdis.gsfc.nasa.gov instead
> of in the main linux kernel, included in the base debian kernel
> distribution?
> 

The Boomerang driver (updated Vortex driver) has already been included
in the latest kernel-source (2.0.20-6) and the kernel images of the
boot disks.

Are there other drivers that need to be included?

Cheers, Thomas



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Removing packages with critical bugs

1997-05-23 Thread Herbert Xu
I've just read a few messages complaining about the removal of xemacs
from bo.  Why don't we simply move those packages with critical bugs to
contrib?
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Re: Conflict between Packages file and actual files

1997-05-23 Thread Buddha Buck
> Dale Scheetz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > This is a continuous problem. I don't know why ftp.debian.org takes so
> > long to get in sync with master, but the problem simply propogates from
> > there to all the additional mirrors. Debian is the only distribution I
> > know that depends so heavily on the accuracy of one file.
> 
> This sounds like a locking problem to me. 
> 
> If the archive on master changes while the mirror to ftp.debian.org is
> running, then the packages file will obviously differ from the
> contents of the archive. This can continue down the chain of
> mirrors. 
> 
> Assuming no locking takes place, then differences become increasingly
> likely as the time taken to update the mirror increases. Another
> source of this is if the packages file on master is not updated
> immediately after a package is added. These problems will presumably
> settle if the archive is unchanged for a couple of days.

I think its a combination of these two.  I think that the archive on 
master being updated asynchronously with the package file is a problem 
(it leads to an inconsistant archive, for one thing), and I think that 
ftp.debian.org mirroring without locking is a problem.

Is there any reason why the following can't be done, and why it can't 
be automated:

1)  New packages are placed in the archive, without deleting the old 
versions.  This way, the existing Packages file and the archive remain 
consistant -- if the Package file says it's there, it's there.

2)  A new Packages file is generated by a script that only adds the 
newest version of duplicate packages.  It would be nice if this also 
generated a list of older versions of duplicated packages for the next 
step, but that list could also be generated as part of step one.  Since 
the only files listed in this new Package file are in the archive, 
consistancy is maintained.

3)  Delete old version of updated packages. Since these are no longer 
listed in the Packages file, they can be deleted without ruining the 
consistancy of the Packages file.

If this could be automated and run at a set time, then "locking" could 
be achieved by scheduling it at a time when ftp.debian.org -won't- be 
mirroring it.  That way, ftp.debian.org is maintained as consistant.  
Similarly, if the mirroring could be achieved in the same order (new 
files, Packages, delete old files), then even during mirrors, 
ftp.debian.org would be consistant.


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Re: dselect/diety audit trail

1997-05-23 Thread Mark Baker

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Karl M. Hegbloom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>  So do I.  It would make it a lot easier to do bug reports when things 
> fail at installation or upgrade time.

I agree, but I'm puzzled by what you chose for the subject line. This sort
of functionality belongs in dpkg, not dselect (I'm not sure whether the
current plan is for deity to replace just dselect or both, but the consensus
I got from the last time it came up was that there would be a libdpkg and
everything would be based on that, so presumably the audit trail would be
implemented at that level)


Re: Donald Becker's ethernet drivers

1997-05-23 Thread Christian Hudon
On May 22, Raul Miller wrote
> Any chance of getting the ethernet drivers listed as "supported"
> in the ethernet howto, but stored at cesdis.gsfc.nasa.gov instead
> of in the main linux kernel, included in the base debian kernel
> distribution?

Do they compile as modules? Maybe someone could package them up as kernel
modules in a separate desdis-drivers package, or something like that.

  Christian



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Re: Donald Becker's ethernet drivers

1997-05-23 Thread Raul Miller
On May 23, Christian Hudon wrote
> Do they compile as modules? Maybe someone could package them up as kernel
> modules in a separate desdis-drivers package, or something like that.

The eepro100.c file had a line in it (grep gcc eepro100.c) which
said how to compile it (given /usr/include/linux for a kernel
of proper version) without touching anything else.

Note that I needed this to install the important and standard
debian packages.  Some kind of optional driver set wouldn't have
been very useful to me.  What I would have needed would have been
an updated drivers disk.

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Re: Missing xemacs

1997-05-23 Thread Guy Maor
Kevin Dalley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> The discussion was whether xemacs-19.14 or 19.15 was the best choice
> for bo.  Could you please state your reasons for removing xemacs?

Moving 19.15 to bo was out of the question because of the time and the
seriousness of bugs still being filed against it.  I never considered
this a viable option.

> xemacs-19.14 is usable and better than nothing.

>  Perhaps I misunderstood our policy, but I thought that
> a package should only be removed from stable if it has a critical
> bug.

No, packages are removed from stable for the far more common reason
that they're simply not ready for release.  Releasing software that we
know is full of bugs while at the same time advising people to install
the package out of unstable is silly.

We're not trying to compete with other distributions on sheer number
of packages.


Guy


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Re: runlevels [was Re: Upcoming Debian Releases]

1997-05-23 Thread Milan Zamazal
I know nothing about runlevel standards, just my opinions:

> "AK" == Alexander Koch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

AK: level 1 is without net, 2 is with it all (imo including nfs
AK: and the like) and 3 is xdm, 6 was shutdown or halt or
AK: whatsoever.  at least that i remember from some german
AK: distribution.

I'm no big sysadmin but I think we can use all 1 to 4 levels.  One
free runlevel could be enough (in actually, if *I* need some
modifications, I make them by modifying existing runlevels not
creating new ones).

AK: default runlevel is 2 so why should nfs start with 3?

I'd like something similar to:
1: single user
2: multiuser with minimal networking, probably without offering services
3: full networking (NFS, xfs, anonymous ftp, ...)
4: xdm? (yes, it is common on Slackware and RedHat to start xdm
   according to runlevel, but maybe Debian /etc/X11/config concept is
   better)
5: empty for making special local runlevel?

So if I want to do something without being too used from outer world,
I can switch to level 2 (and I can still telnet or ftp somewhere).

AK: if 3 gets xdm, perhaps gpm should be disabled and the like?

Remark: gpm should be disabled only when it doesn't work as a
repeater.

BTW, I don't like RedHat concept of empty level *4*.  When I upgraded
HW on some RedHat machine, I lowered default level from 5 to 4 in
expection it will disable just xdm.  Then I spent an hour looking for
explanation, why many services don't start after changing HW.  After I
explored runlevel 4 was empty, I was far from being polite...

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trn and inews

1997-05-23 Thread Colin Telmer
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When installing trn, the dependency screen pops up and suggests (ie. puts
an asterisk beside) both cnews and inews. Shouldn't this only select
one of the two? I don't know what package to report a bug against, so I
thought I would ask here first. Cheers, Colin.

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Re: Upcoming Debian Releases

1997-05-23 Thread Tom Lees
On Mon, 19 May 1997, Brian C. White wrote:

> Hamm
> 

I think its been agreed that this will be called "Debian 2.0", so why not
add this here.

> * All packages are in the new package format.

Possibly a new source package format may be created, so we should resolve 
this before putting too much effort into converting twice.

> * All base packages are compiled with libc6.

Should be all pkgs in the main distrib really.

> * Fix packages currently depending on 'libc5-dev'.
> * Officially supports {i386,m68k,alpha,sparc} architectures (mips,ppc?).
> * No more dependencies on obsolete virtual packages (X11R6, elf-x11r6libs, 
> ...).
> * No a.out executables anymore.
> * Much improved dpkg/dselect.
> - Move config information from install scripts to "cfgtool" (???)

I'm having a look at ways of doing this. It would be really cool to
integrate this into deity.

> - Some sort of package-grouping mechanism for dselect
> - New run-level layout (???) [12]
> - No bug reports older than 9 months at release time

And another one:-
* Official Debian logo to be chosen

Footnotes 1, 4, 5, and 7 can be removed AFAIK.

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Re: Bug#10060: libc6-dev: time.h and linux/time.h conflict

1997-05-23 Thread Michael Meskes
You're absolutely right. I should have thought before I posted. In fact
I already patched ibcs to work regardless which gcc/C library is used,
since ibcs (as a kernel module) should include the kernel headers, but
not the differing application headers.

I'm sorry for reporting a non existant bug.

Michael

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>Betreff:   Re: Bug#10060: libc6-dev: time.h and linux/time.h conflict
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>> Package: libc6-dev
>> Version: 2.0.3-4
>> 
>> Just try to compile ibcs. I won't work because one source file includes
>>  and  (or others), which includes .
>> This gives an error condition since both files have a different definition
>>of
>> structure timespec. In fact it's not that much of a difference (long vs.
>> long int) but enough for gcc to see an error. There are other double
>>defined
>> structures in other files (e.g. timeval, timezone, itimerval).
>> 
>That is right, but this is _not_ a bug in libc 6 but comes from the fact that
>many Linux applications use the kernel haeders themselves, which generally is
>a bad idea anyway.
>The change in the C library (i.e. to provide headers for all the stuff that
>is
>not really kernel-dependant) is coordinated with Linus and the kernel
>developers.
>These problems are bugs (or lets say portability problems) in the packages..
>IBCS should be fixed, not libc6.
>
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SIOCSIFFLAGS

1997-05-23 Thread Raul Miller
[Aside: I think I sent a message about ethernet configuration
with a subject line from an X configuration problem.  My prior
message on the subject was a bug report about a non-bug.  Third
strike and I'm out, but by jove I think I've got it.]

Turns out I've got a buslogic 946C and a 32 bit lance card 
trying to share IRQ 11.  I think this is a kernel problem.
Anyone know the workaround?

-- 
Raul

FYI...


Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 15:35:53 -0500
From: Eric Dittman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Shared Interrupts  

>Did you ever get a solution to this problem?  I'm running
>into something similar (where I'm getting SIOCSIFFLAGS: Try again) and
>don't know what to do about it.

It turned out that Linux has two incompatible methods of sharing
interrupts.  The SCSI drivers tend to use one method and the
Ethernet drivers tend to use the other method.  Because of this
(and I don't think it has changed) the SCSI card and Ethernet
card can't share interrupts.
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Re: Kernel 2.0.30 a bad choice for 1.3

1997-05-23 Thread Sven Rudolph
Christoph <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> On 21 May 1997, John Goerzen wrote:
> 
> > Since we know of a number of things that have been broken in 2.0.30
> > (such as IP masquerading being totally hosed), why are we distributing
> > that version with 1.3?

2.0.30 has SYN_COOKIES. This is a critical feature.

> > It seems like a rather bad idea because it
> > could very well break the setups of a number of people.

I think that neither 2.0.29 nor 2.0.30 have a sufficient quality for
the Debian release.

> 2.0.29 is the proper kernel unless Herbert can assure us that he has fixed
> all known bugs especially in relationship to networking.

I doubt that Herbert has any methods for assuring anything over a 30
Megabytes source tree. The kernel developers didn't manage to fix all
known bugs in 2.0.30, and I expect them to have significiantly better
skills in this area than Herbert. Herbert does a good job with
kernel-image, but we must not request him to fix arbitrary kernel
bugs.

Sven
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Re: --> Debian Bug #10000

1997-05-23 Thread Mike Coleman
Vincent Renardias <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> In case you're interessed, I just got the acknowledgement of bug report 
> #1

Lucky for us, the bug scripts are bug-1 compliant...  ;-)

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