Re: Question about ISC BIND COPR repositories for 9.16->9.18 ESV transition

2024-06-18 Thread Michał Kępień
> Have you considered scheduling the change in version published in each COPR
> repository so it doe /not/ coincide with the release of a new version of
> BIND?
> 
> I have some hosts tied to the COPR for BIND-ESV, and some tied to BIND. I
> hit a stumbling block during the last "roll over" event, and it took me a a
> bit to figure out if it was due to the switch of BIND-ESV from 9.11 - > 9.16
> in the repository, or the switch from 9.16.x -> 9.16.y in the code-release.
> 
> If we could have the version published in the BIND-ESV repository advance to
> the same version which was most recently published in BIND repository (i.e.
> ship 9.18.x in BIND, a couple of weeks later roll BIND-ESV to 9.18.x and
> BIND to 9.20.x, and a couple of weeks later release 9.18.y and 9.20.y), then
> problems with the COPR "roll over" would be a little more obvious.

Sure, that's something to consider, thanks.

The Copr packages have always been provided on a best-effort basis.  We
try to do the right thing for the majority of users, but it is clear
that there is no "one size fits all" upgrade strategy.  The packaging
recipes for all our RPMs are publicly available [1], plus every Copr
build results in the creation of an SRPM that can be reused/tweaked to
produce RPMs differently in case anyone needs that.

[1] https://gitlab.isc.org/isc-packages/rpms/

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Re: Question about ISC BIND COPR repositories for 9.16->9.18 ESV transition

2024-06-18 Thread Ondřej Surý
Actually, now that we are polishing the last bits of 9.20.0 would be a good 
time to start
9.16->9.18 transition.

The current plan is that on next Wednesday (next week), the bind-esv 
repositories will
be bumped from 9.16 to 9.18, the 'bind' repository will stay on 9.18 until 9.20 
is released,
and we'll probably stick with Michał's plan to do the bump around 9.20.1 or 
9.20.2 release,
probably mid 9.20.1-9.20.2 release cycle as you suggested.

This way the upgrade will be phased as you are suggesting below. Thanks for the 
feedback.

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> On 17. 6. 2024, at 17:19, John Thurston  wrote:
> 
> Have you considered scheduling the change in version published in each COPR 
> repository so it doe not coincide with the release of a new version of BIND?
> I have some hosts tied to the COPR for BIND-ESV, and some tied to BIND. I hit 
> a stumbling block during the last "roll over" event, and it took me a a bit 
> to figure out if it was due to the switch of BIND-ESV from 9.11 - > 9.16 in 
> the repository, or the switch from 9.16.x -> 9.16.y in the code-release. 
> If we could have the version published in the BIND-ESV repository advance to 
> the same version which was most recently published in BIND repository (i.e. 
> ship 9.18.x in BIND, a couple of weeks later roll BIND-ESV to 9.18.x and BIND 
> to 9.20.x, and a couple of weeks later release 9.18.y and 9.20.y), then 
> problems with the COPR "roll over" would be a little more obvious.
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> john.thurs...@alaska.gov
> Department of Administration
> State of Alaska
> On 6/17/2024 2:32 AM, Michał Kępień wrote:
>> While I don't have a specific date for you, we plan to do such a
>> "rollover" again when BIND 9.20.1 or 9.20.2 gets released, i.e. in about
>> 2-3 months from now. We will definitely roll all three repositories at
>> the same time, i.e.:
>> 
>> - "bind-esv" will move from 9.16 to 9.18,
>> - "bind" will move from 9.18 to 9.20,
>> - "bind-dev" will move from 9.19/9.20 to 9.21.
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