backwards compatible.
The PEP can be viewed here:
https://github.com/python/peps/blob/master/pep-0576.rst
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I'm happy to have discussion of this PEP take place via GitHub,
rather than the mailing list, but I thought I would follow the
conventional route fo
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> On Jul 13, 2014, at 7:04, "Jason R. Coombs" wrote:
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> I repeatedly run into situations where a frozendict would be useful, and
> every time I
approach, but I can't find them.
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On 15/09/2014 23:29, Mark Shannon wrote:
On 15/09/14 12:31, Tal Einat wrote:
On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 6:18 AM, Harish Tech
wrote:
I had a list
a = [1, 2, 3]
when I did
a.insert(100, 100)
[1, 2, 3, 100]
as list was originally of size 4 and I was trying to insert value at
index
100 , it
Hi,
http://speed.python.org/
could do with some love.
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Hello
Just curious, is there any sort of tasklist for any sort of sysadmin
sort of work surrounding CPython development? There seem to be plenty of
tasks for the actual coding part, but it
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True
which implies
>>> isinstance(C(),object)
True
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On 21/10/14 17:43, Andreas Maier wrote:
Hi. Today, I ran across this, in Python 2.7.6:
class C:
... pass
...
issubclass(C,object)
False
isinstance(C(),object)
True <-- ???
Th
Links to older versions have been pointed out on other threads,
either here or python-ideas, maybe both? Or use the command line as
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code-qual...@python.org is the place for discussing static analysis tools.
Although if anyone does have any comments on any particular checks
they would like, I would be interested as well.
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On 17/11/14 14:49
st changing the behaviour of
next() for an exhausted iterator.
Rather than raise StopIteration it should raise ValueError (or IndexError?).
Also, it might be worth considering making StopIteration inherit from
BaseException, rather than Exception.
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On 23/11/14 22:54, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 7:18 AM, Mark Shannon wrote:
Hi,
I have serious concerns about this PEP, and would ask you to reconsider it.
Hoping I'm not out of line in responding here, as PEP author. Some of
your concerns (eg "5 days is too s
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On 29/11/14 01:59, Nathaniel Smith wrote:
Hi all,
There was some discussion on python-ideas last month about how to make
it easier/more reliable for a module to override attribute access.
This is useful for things like autoloading submodules (acce
ignore
all of CPAN. It just doesn't make sense.
-Mark
On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 6:47 AM, Giampaolo Rodola'
wrote:
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>
> On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 5:59 PM, Bruno Cauet wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>> Last year a survey was conducted on python 2 and 3 usage.
>> Here i
the Python3 zealots are giving it credit for. Please
don't claim it's "easy" to move over just because merely most of the top 20
libraries have been moved over. :-/
-Mark
On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 12:14 PM, Dan Stromberg wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 11:35 AM, Mark Roberts
another outcome is the slow death of Python as a language. I
would suggest adding some "community health" metrics around the Python 2/3
split, as well as a question about whether someone considers themselves
primarily a library author, application devel
7;t the whole reason that the
default behavior switch was made is because creating lists willy nilly all
over the place really *ISN'T* cheap? This isn't the first time someone has
tried to run this line past me, but it's the first time I've been fed up
enough with the topic to
told my complaints about writing 2/3 compatible code are invalid on the
basis of "premature optimization".
-Mark
On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 10:57 AM, Brett Cannon wrote:
>
> Mark, your tone is no longer constructive and is hurting your case in
> arguing for anything. Please take
PATH so it could be 32 or 64 bit. Does this mean that the launcher
could be or needs enhancing so 32 or 64 bit can be selected? I'm not
sure if anything can be done about pyw.exe, perhaps you (plural) can
throw some light on this for m
hat's help keep me slightly sane is the Rapid Environment
Editor http://www.rapidee.com/en/about. I'm sure there are plenty of
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ne of the superclass. In effect, making the Date class call
type(self)(*args) instead of datetime.date(*args). He seems completely willing
to accept the consequences of changing the constructor (namely that he will
have to override all the methods that call the constructor).
It seems like good
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We should make a python-dev t-shirt with this on it :)
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version on the box, I use the generic name of course. (I don't often have
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If I only have one version on my box, yes, I only use "python". But like I
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Any worthwhile optimisation needs to be done at runtime or involve much
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Surprise.
(By "easily and cleanly" I mean without meta-programming tricks, like
instead of real arguments accept "*args, **kwargs" and then munge args).
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Features of blender are relevant on blender mailing lists, not here . (I
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4. Asynchronous with statement. The PEP lists the equivalent as "with
(yield from xxx)" which doesn't seem so bad.
Please don't add unnecessary new syntax.
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On 26/04/15 21:40, Yury Selivanov wrote:
Hi Mark,
On 2015-04-26 4:21 PM, Mark Shannon wrote:
Hi,
I was looking at PEP 492 and it seems to me that no new syntax is
required.
Mark, all your points are explained in the PEP in a great detail:
I did read the PEP. I do think that clarifying the
x27;t think I was clear enough. I said that "await" *is* a function,
not that is should be disguised as one. Reading the code,
"GetAwaitableIter" would be a better name for that element of the
implementation. It is a straightforward non-blocking function.
On Sun, Apr 26, 2
On 26/04/15 23:24, Nick Coghlan wrote:
On 27 Apr 2015 07:50, "Mark Shannon" mailto:m...@hotpy.org>> wrote:
> On 26/04/15 21:40, Yury Selivanov wrote:
>>
>> But it's hard. Iterating through something asynchronously? Write a
>> 'while Tru
er the "async def" syntax should be dropped, or a new
justification is required.
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#coroutine.py
from types import FunctionType, CodeType
CO_COROUTINE = 0x0080
CO_GENERATOR = 0x0020
def coroutine(f):
'Converts a function to a gene
On 28/04/15 20:24, Paul Sokolovsky wrote:
Hello,
[snip]
Based on all this passage, my guess is that you miss difference
between C and Python functions.
This is rather patronising, almost to the point of being insulting.
Please keep the debate civil.
[snip]
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Mark
On 28/04/15 20:39, Paul Sokolovsky wrote:
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On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 19:44:53 +0100
Mark Shannon wrote:
[]
A coroutine without a yield statement can be defined simply and
concisely, thus:
@coroutine
def f():
return 1
[]
A pure-python definition of the "coroutine" de
On 28/04/15 21:06, Guido van Rossum wrote:
On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 11:44 AM, Mark Shannon mailto:m...@hotpy.org>> wrote:
Hi,
I still think that there are several issues that need addressing
with PEP 492. This time, one issue at a time :)
"async"
The &quo
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We also redirected
<https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/security-sig> to
<https://mail.python.org/mm3/mailman3/lists/security-sig.python.org/>.
We purposely didn't redirect the old archive so that saved URLs would
still work.
We did the same things for security-announce and c
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y of using static type hints.
For tools other than MyPy, the inconsistent quoting is onerous and will
require double-quoting to prevent a parse error.
For example
def foo()->"unsigned int": ...
will become illegal and require the cumbersome
def foo()->'"unsign
)` act like `issubclass(x, list)`?
(IMO, it shouldn't) The reasoning behind this decision should be made
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except AttributeError:
try:
getter = mod.__dict__["__getattr__"]
except KeyError:
raise AttributeError(f"module has no attribute '{name}'")
return getter(name)
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Just one comment. Could the new behaviour of attribute lookup on a
module be spelled out more explicitly please?
I'm guessing it is now something like:
`module.__getattribute__` is now equivalent to:
On 19/11/17 22:36, Ivan Levkivskyi wrote:
On 19 November 2017 at 21:06, Mark Shannon <mailto:m...@hotpy.org>> wrote:
By far and away the largest change in PEP 560 is the change to the
behaviour of object.__getitem__. This is not mentioned in the PEP at
all, but is explic
Hi Lukasz, I don’t have plans on editing or promoting the PEP any further,
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>> I also cc python-dev to see if anybod
ar to organise the 25th birthday party.
The exact time and place for the party will obviously have to be
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T -> bytecode conversion remains the same, I
think it is OK to change source -> AST conversion.
Last week, Mark Shannon reported issue about this backward incompatibility.
As he said, this change losted lineno and column of docstring from AST.
https://bugs.python.org/issue32911#msg3125
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wouldn't work: it would give incorrect results for a non-integral Decimal
instance that ended up getting rounded to an integral value by the float
conversion.
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Hi All,
As the BDFL-Delegate, I’m happy to announce PEP 541 has been accepted.
PEP 541 has been voted by the packaging-wg (https://wiki.python.org/psf/
PackagingWG/Charter):
- Donald Stufft
- Dustin Ingram
- Ernest W. Durbin III
- Ewa Jodlowska
- Kenneth Reitz
- Mark Mangoba
a more concrete timeline here by May 1st, but wanted to
share this exciting news to move bugs.python.org into a more stable
and optimal state.
Thank you all for your patience and feedback. A special thanks to
Maciej Szulik and Red Hat for helping the PSF with this project.
Best regards,
Mark
class that wants to be a "function" need do is have a
"__signature__" property and be callable.
For "bound-methods", we should reuse the interface of 'method';
two properties, "__func__" and "__self__".
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nments anywhere
allows weirdnesses like these:
try:
...
except (x := Exception) as x:
...
with (x: = open(...)) as x:
...
def do_things(fire_missiles=False, plant_flowers=False): ...
do_things(plant_flowers:=True) # whoops!
It is easy to say "don't do th
Hi All,
Victor made a good point here. After discussion with Maciej, we will
postpone this migration to OpenShift until after sprints since bpo
will be heavily used.
Maciej and I will update everyone on the timeline after sprints.
Best regards,
Mark
On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 12:54 AM, Victor
,
PyTupleObject *starargs, PyObject *kwdict);
is a worthwhile enhancement.
An implementation can be found here:
https://github.com/python/cpython/compare/master...markshannon:pep-576-minimal
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Hi Mark,
We're down to the last few items here. I'm CC'ing python-dev so folks
can see how close we are. I'll answer point by point.
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Hi,
e-hints responsibly :)
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ched from being a basic dictionary to an
ordered one would be a hidden implementation detail, rather than
making all type objects a little bigger.
and a little slower.
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Does he know already?
The suck^H^H^H^H man even volunteered!
Was that "volunteered" as in RM or the Comfy Chair?
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statement for some threads. Gently putting the OP
down with a firm but polite "it ain't gonna happen" would save a lot of
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For clarity, I think we should:
- remove the assret check, it is I think spurious.
- add a set of functions to the mock module that should be used in
preference to Mock.assert*
- mark the Mock.assert* functions as PendingDeprecation
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friendly, and on-point on this list and prevent this sort of debacle
from occurring again.
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ibute_super__" has none of the problems listed above.
Making super(t, obj) delegate to t.__super__(obj) seems consistent with other
builtin method/classes and doesn't add corner cases to the already complex
implementation of PyType_Lookup().
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> On 26 July 2015 at 10:41 Ronald Oussoren wrote:
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>
>
> > On 26 Jul 2015, at 09:14, Ronald Oussoren wrote:
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> >
> >> On 25 Jul 2015, at 17:39, Mark Shannon >> <mailto:m...@hotpy.org>> wrote:
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> >> Hi,
> &
t the more time we spend
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it's in the pipeline.
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code such as.
timedelta(days=14)
Is somebody now going to tell me that this isn't actually two weeks?
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To me a day is precisely 24 hours, no more, no less. I have no interest in
messing about with daylight savings of 30 minutes, one hour, two hours or
any other variant that I've not heard about.
In my mission critical code, which I u
On 28/07/2015 06:21, Lennart Regebro wrote:
On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 3:22 AM, Mark Lawrence wrote:
To me a day is precisely 24 hours, no more, no less.
OK.
In my mission critical code, which I use to predict my cashflow, I use code
such as.
timedelta(days=14)
Is somebody now going to tell
true.
In my real world it is. We clearly have parallel worlds.
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On 28/07/2015 13:35, Lennart Regebro wrote:
On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 1:55 PM, Mark Lawrence wrote:
One week == 7 days == 7 * 24 hours
Two weeks = 2 * (one week)
Right, and that of course is not true in actual reality. I know you
are not interested in DST, but with a timezone that has DST, two
I got my MSI built, after numerous modifications to the various build
scripts. the installed file set bears little resemblance to the
official release for the same version, which is a bit of a fail for
the Open-source principle, but it seems nobody cares, so I'll split.
On 28/07/2015 16:47, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 10:06 PM, Mark Lawrence wrote:
On 28/07/2015 06:21, Lennart Regebro wrote:
On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 3:22 AM, Mark Lawrence
wrote:
To me a day is precisely 24 hours, no more, no less.
In my mission critical code, which I use
medium to longer term, from the simple short term ones, e.g
very easy typo fixes?
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