Re: [Python-Dev] 2.5.1 plans

2007-01-04 Thread Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve
It would be nice if this simple fix could be included (main branch and 2.5.1): https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=1598181&group_id=5470&atid=105470 [ 1598181 ] subprocess.py: O(N**2) bottleneck I submitted the trivial fix almost two months ago, but apparently nobody feels respon

[Python-Dev] Python 2.5.1c1 pickle problem

2007-04-11 Thread Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve
When pickling instances of an object derived from dict, the pickle in Python 2.5.1c1 calls the object's __getitem__() method. In contrast, earlier versions of Python incl. 2.5 don't call that method. Below is a minimal example with outputs. Is the difference in behavior an oversight or new featu

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.5.1c1 pickle problem

2007-04-15 Thread Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve
Hi Raymond, Thanks for the detailed explanation! > I'm not sure what your code was doing where the bugfix would cause > breakage. If its __getitem__() override returned a meaningful value > for each element in obj.keys(), then it should have worked fine. Of > course, if it was raising an except

[Python-Dev] FYI: Python 2.7.1 + gcc 4.6 (experimental) probable optimizer problem

2011-01-08 Thread Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve
I just wanted to share an observation in case Python developers are interested: Python 2.7.1 doesn't build with the current gcc 4.6 svn. Note that gcc 4.6 is now in "bug-fix only" mode. Some details: Fedora 14 64-bit. The first time I noticed the problem was in Nov or early Dec 2010; I'm pretty

Re: [Python-Dev] FYI: Python 2.7.1 + gcc 4.6 (experimental) probable optimizer problem

2011-01-11 Thread Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve
> Does that version of gcc emit any warnings during compilation? Yes, there are a few: http://cci.lbl.gov/~rwgk/tmp/gcc_trunk_168695_fc14_py271/ This is with: g++ (GCC) 4.6.0 20110112 (experimental) Ralf___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.o

Re: [Python-Dev] Different float formatting on Windows and Linux

2008-02-18 Thread Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve
> The tests for float.__format__ are breaking on Windows, because of this > issue: http://bugs.python.org/issue1600. Basically, Windows is using 3 > digits for exponents < 100, and Linux (and at least MacOS) are using 2. Yes, this is very annoying and I once lost of lot of time because of the W

Re: [Python-Dev] Real segmentation fault handler

2008-09-29 Thread Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve
FWIW: I didn't have much luck translating segfaults into exceptions. It (seemed) to work on some platforms, but not others; this was in the context of C++. In my experience, it is more useful to generate Python and C stack traces and bail out. I also do this for floating-point exceptions. The han

Re: [Python-Dev] proposal+patch: sys.gettickeraccumulation()

2004-12-05 Thread Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve
Brett C. wrote: > Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve wrote: > > Brett C. wrote: > > > > >I have been mulling over this proposal and I think I am finally > > >settling on +0 as long as it can be shown that it does not hurt > > >performance at all (yes, it

[Python-Dev] PY_SSIZE_T_MIN?

2006-04-05 Thread Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve
Congratulations to the Python 2.5a1 release! I started adjusting Boost.Python to work with this new release and it is going very well. I noticed this #define in pyport.h: #define PY_SSIZE_T_MAX ((Py_ssize_t)(((size_t)-1)>>1)) However, I couldn't find a corresponding PY_SSIZE_T_MIN which would com

[Python-Dev] PyRange_New() alternative?

2006-06-21 Thread Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve
http://docs.python.org/dev/whatsnew/ports.html says: The PyRange_New() function was removed. It was never documented, never used in the core code, and had dangerously lax error checking. I use this function (don't remember how I found it; this was years ago), therefore my code doesn't compile w

[Python-Dev] ImportWarning flood

2006-06-21 Thread Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve
http://docs.python.org/dev/whatsnew/other-lang.html says: > One error that Python programmers sometimes make is forgetting to > include an __init__.py module in a package directory. Debugging this > mistake can be confusing, and usually requires running Python with the > -v switch to log all the

Re: [Python-Dev] ImportWarning flood

2006-06-21 Thread Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve
--- Guido van Rossum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 6/21/06, Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I am getting tons of "ImportWarning: Not importing directory". See below > for > > examples. It is impractical for me to reorganize our di

Re: [Python-Dev] ImportWarning flood

2006-06-22 Thread Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve
--- "Martin v. Löwis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve wrote: > > Is there a way to set the warning options via an environment variable? > > This is off-topic for python-dev, What is the channel I should use? (I am testing a beta 1.)

Re: [Python-Dev] PyRange_New() alternative?

2006-06-22 Thread Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve
--- Georg Brandl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve wrote: > > http://docs.python.org/dev/whatsnew/ports.html says: > > > > The PyRange_New() function was removed. It was never documented, never > used > > in the core code, and had danger

Re: [Python-Dev] PyRange_New() alternative?

2006-06-22 Thread Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve
--- Georg Brandl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well, PyRange_New *was* undocumented, Yes, that was clear. > However, it would perhaps be helpful to add a note to the whatsnew document > for users like yourself. Andrew, does that make sense? I am worried about using an alternative that is *again*

Re: [Python-Dev] PyRange_New() alternative?

2006-06-22 Thread Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve
--- Bob Ippolito <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I am sure I can get this to work with some digging, but I am > > posting here to > > highlight a communication problem. I feel if a function is removed the > > alternative should be made obvious in the associated documentation; in > > particular if

Re: [Python-Dev] PyRange_New() alternative?

2006-06-23 Thread Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve
--- Tim Peters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve] > > Thanks! This does the trick for me: > > > > #if PY_VERSION_HEX >= 0x0203 > > PyObject_CallFunction( > > (PyObject*) &PyRange_Type, "lll", start

Re: [Python-Dev] PyRange_New() alternative?

2006-06-23 Thread Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve
--- Scott David Daniels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve wrote: > > Thanks! This does the trick for me: > > > > #if PY_VERSION_HEX >= 0x0203 > > PyObject_CallFunction( > > (PyObject*) &PyRange_Type,

Re: [Python-Dev] ImportWarning flood

2006-06-23 Thread Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve
--- "Martin v. L�wis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The specific question was > > "Is there a way to set the warning options via an environment variable?" > > This has nothing to do with beta1; the warnings module was introduced > many releases ago, along with all the mechanics to disable warni

Re: [Python-Dev] ImportWarning flood

2006-06-24 Thread Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve
--- "Martin v. Löwis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't know. Whether a warning is a problem is a matter of attitude, also. Our users will think our applications are broken if they see warnings like that. It is not professional. __ Do You Yahoo

Re: [Python-Dev] PyRange_New() alternative?

2006-06-24 Thread Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve
--- "Martin v. Löwis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Scott David Daniels wrote: > > I am not sure about your compiler, but if I remember the standard > > correctly, the following code shouldn't complain: > > > > PyObject_CallFunction((PyObject*) (void *) &PyRange_Type, > >

Re: [Python-Dev] ImportWarning flood

2006-06-24 Thread Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve
--- Jean-Paul Calderone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think it is safe to say that Twisted is more widely used than anything > Google has yet released. Twisted also has a reasonably plausible > technical reason to dislike this change. Google has a bunch of engineers > who, apparently, cannot rem

Re: [Python-Dev] ImportWarning flood

2006-06-25 Thread Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve
--- Guido van Rossum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 6/25/06, Fred L. Drake, Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sunday 25 June 2006 20:48, Greg Ewing wrote: > > > BTW, when that was being discussed, did anyone consider > > > allowing a directory to be given a .py suffix as an > > > alternati

Re: [Python-Dev] ImportWarning flood

2006-06-26 Thread Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve
--- "Martin v. L�wis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So spend some of the money to come up with an alternate solution for > 2.5b2. With a potential damage of a million dollars, it shouldn't be > too difficult to provide a patch by tomorrow, right? My share is only 10 man hours, payed for by the US

Re: [Python-Dev] ImportWarning flood

2006-06-26 Thread Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve
--- "Delaney, Timothy (Tim)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Michael Hudson wrote: > > > Benji York <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > >> Nick Coghlan wrote: > >>> Perhaps ImportWarning should default to being ignored, the same way > >>> PendingDeprecationWarning does? > >>> > >>> Then -Wd would be

Re: [Python-Dev] ImportWarning flood

2006-06-28 Thread Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve
--- "Martin v. L�wis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve wrote: > > If there is a consenus, I'd create a new exception > ImportErrorNoModule(name) > > that is used consistently from all places. This would ensure uniformity of > the &g

[Python-Dev] reducing self.x=x; self.y=y; self.z=z boilerplate code

2005-07-01 Thread Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve
Hi, I often find myself writing: class grouping: def __init__(self, x, y, z): self.x = x self.y = y self.z = z I hate it, and every time I show this to a Python newcomer I get that skeptic look. How about this for a change? class grouping: def __i

Re: [Python-Dev] reducing self.x=x; self.y=y; self.z=z boilerplate code

2005-07-01 Thread Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve
I am happy to see that others agree we need something better than self.x=x; self.y=y; self.z=z. Phillip J. Eby wrote: >class grouping: >def __init__(self, x, y, z): >initialize(self, locals()) Been there (older code): http://phenix-online.org/cctbx_sources/scitbx/scitbx

Re: [Python-Dev] reducing self.x=x; self.y=y; self.z=z boilerplate code

2005-07-01 Thread Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve
Jp Calderone wrote: > If you use vars(self).update(locals()), it even looks halfway > pleasant ;) I'm not sure what python-dev's current opinion of > vars(obj) is though (I'm hoping someone'll tell me). http://docs.python.org/lib/built-in-funcs.html#l2h-76 is pretty clear: vars([object]) W

[Python-Dev] reducing self.x=x; self.y=y; self.z=z boilerplate code

2005-07-01 Thread Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve
Josiah Carlson wrote: > Now, don't get me wrong, definining __slots__ can be a pain in the > tookus, but with a proper metaclass, that metaclass can define the > __slots__ attribute based on the argument list for __init__(). > > There you go. Where? The meta-class idea sounds interesting. Could y

Re: [Python-Dev] reducing self.x=x; self.y=y; self.z=z boilerplate code

2005-07-02 Thread Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve
Aahz wrote: > This is off-topic for python-dev. Please take it to comp.lang.python. > (It's not immediately obvious that this is off-topic, I know, but please > take my word for it.) Done: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/2005-July/288292.html Sorry for creating so much noise he

[Python-Dev] __autoinit__

2005-07-09 Thread Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve
For those who didn't like my proposal a week ago, please have another look: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/2005-July/289446.html Please reply only to python-list. Cheers, Ralf ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http

Re: [Python-Dev] [C++-sig] GCC version compatibility

2005-07-09 Thread Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve
--- David Abrahams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yes, all the tests are passing that way. > > > (On ELF based Linux/x86, at least.) That leaves me wondering > > > > * when is --with-cxx really necessary? > > I think it's plausible that if you set sys.dlopenflags to share > symbols it *might* end

Re: [Python-Dev] [C++-sig] GCC version compatibility

2005-07-10 Thread Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve
--- David Abrahams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Christoph Ludwig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I do not claim the 2 TUs test will cover all possible scenarios. I am not > even > > sure this decision should be left to an automated test. Because if the test > > breaks for some reason then the u

[Python-Dev] Python + Visual C++ 8.0?

2005-12-26 Thread Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve
We have a bunch of C++ extensions (Boost.Python) that work fine under Windows when compiled with Visual C++ 7.1. With a few minor tweaks all extensions also compile with Visual C++ 8.0, but trying to "import" any of the extensions fails with this message (shown in a pop-up box): This application

Re: [Python-Dev] Python + Visual C++ 8.0?

2005-12-27 Thread Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve
--- "Martin v. Löwis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve wrote: > > I am using a Visual Studio 2005 Professional installation. I also ran > > vcredist_x86.exe. Moving msvc[mpr]80.dll to a directory on PATH didn't > > help. However,

Re: [Python-Dev] Python + Visual C++ 8.0?

2005-12-27 Thread Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve
--- Adal Chiriliuc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Python uses LoadLibraryEx with the LOAD_WITH_ALTERED_SEARCH_PATH flag > which means that DLLs used by the extension will be searched > IN THE EXTENSION FOLDER and not on PATH. > > Try putting msvcp80.dll right next to your extension DLL. I tried th

Re: [Python-Dev] Python + Visual C++ 8.0?

2005-12-27 Thread Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve
--- Adal Chiriliuc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Then you need to run mt.exe to embedd the manifest: > mt.exe /outputresource:"cctbx_math_ext.pyd;#2" /manifest > cctbx_math_ext.pyd.manifest That is the magic trick! After applying the mt command to all our extensions most of our unit tests work even

Re: [Python-Dev] Python + Visual C++ 8.0?

2005-12-28 Thread Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve
--- "Martin v. Löwis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > P.P.S. You do know that this configuration (extension compiled > with VS2005, Python compiled wit VS.NET2003) is not supported, > right? Thanks to Adal's help I got all our C++ extensions (about 50) to work with VC8. I am using Python 2.4.2 compil

Re: [Python-Dev] Python + Visual C++ 8.0?

2005-12-28 Thread Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve
--- "Martin v. Löwis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well, yes: the areas are > - memory management > - stdio > - locales > for the C library; for the C++, I'm not so sure, but I think one of the > areas is > - static members of class templates, in particular in STL containers Thanks for the insigh

Re: [Python-Dev] Python + Visual C++ 8.0?

2005-12-29 Thread Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve
--- "Martin v. Löwis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Out of curiosity: can you please try invoking this enum_print to stdout > with your VS2005-built boost module? I see it uses fprintf, so I would > expect it to crash. After beating on this for half an hour I am coming to the conclusion that there

Re: [Python-Dev] Draft proposal: Implicit self in Python 3.0

2006-01-08 Thread Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve
--- Alexander Kozlovsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What do you think about this? I (who writes Python code for a living) love it! See also: http://cci.lbl.gov/~rwgk/python/adopt_init_args_2005_07_02.html ***Please*** make Python more selfish. Note that this is also an obvious avenue for signifi

Re: [Python-Dev] Draft proposal: Implicit self in Python 3.0

2006-01-08 Thread Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve
--- Fredrik Lundh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve wrote: > > > ***Please*** make Python more selfish. Note that this is also an obvious > avenue > > for significant performance increases. If self is implicit you don't have > to do >

Re: [Python-Dev] Draft proposal: Implicit self in Python 3.0

2006-01-08 Thread Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve
--- Guido van Rossum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 1/6/06, Armin Rigo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Fri, Jan 06, 2006 at 12:56:01AM +0300, Alexander Kozlovsky wrote: > > > There are three different peculiarity in Python 2.x > > > in respect of 'self' method argument: > > > > Yuk! This has b

Re: [Python-Dev] Draft proposal: Implicit self in Python 3.0

2006-01-08 Thread Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve
--- Thomas Wouters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The main difference isn't the lookup of 'self', it's the attribute retrieval > of 'x' from 'self'. I see. Thanks! If you put 'self' into a special category (with corresponding C code), couldn't you use the same "indexing" tricks as for local variabl

Re: [Python-Dev] Draft proposal: Implicit self in Python 3.0

2006-01-08 Thread Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve
--- Fredrik Lundh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Please try the code below to see the performance impact. > > oh, please. do you seriously think that if you don't have to type "self" > yourself, Python will suddenly be able to turn all instance variables into > local function variables without an