webmaster just got mail from a novice who is trying to learn Python in
an introductory class. She got a "The version of Tcl/Tk (8.5.7) in
use may be unstable" message.
I think that the download page should have a link.
If you get
download and install . Any reason we cannot do that?
Laura
Hello all,
I wonder what the status of easy_install is. I keep finding people
who needed to install something 'path.py' is the latest, who needed to
use pip, and couldn't get easy_install to work. Should we tell people
that easy_install is deprecated, or ask them to file bugs when
they could not
In a message of Tue, 24 Feb 2015 16:44:20 +, Paul Moore writes:
>On 24 February 2015 at 16:30, Brett Cannon wrote:
>> Tell people to use pip. Having ensurepip in Python 2.7 and 3.4 makes it as
>> official as anything will be as the recommended tool to install projects.
>> Otherwise easy_instal
In a message of Sat, 12 Sep 2015 20:49:12 -0400, Terry Reedy writes:
>and, if we are stuck with <-intransitivity, what do we do? If
>back-compatibility allowed, I might suggest defining 'lt' or 'less'
>rather than '__lt__' so that sort and bisect don't work with DateTimes.
>Then document that th
webmaster has already heard from 4 people who cannot install it.
I sent them to the bug tracker or to python-list but they seem
not to have gone either place. Is there some guide I should be
sending them to, 'how to debug installation problems'?
Laura
In a message of Wed, 16 Sep 2015 16:56:54 -, Brett Cannon writes:
>I don't see any issue opened about Windows 7 installation issues, so if
>someone who has had the issue can thus can help Steve diagnose the problem
>that would be great (Steve is also currently on vacation so having this all
>in
Any chance of adding Decimal to the list of things that are also
acceptable for things annotated float?
Laura
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In a message of Tue, 13 Oct 2015 08:38:07 -0700, Raymond Hettinger writes:
>
>
>> On Oct 13, 2015, at 4:21 AM, Laura Creighton wrote:
>>
>> Any chance of adding Decimal to the list of things that are also
>> acceptable for things annotated float?
>
>>From
In a message of Wed, 14 Oct 2015 11:44:40 +0200, "M.-A. Lemburg" writes:
>I can only underline this. Conversion to decimals or fractions should
>not be implicit. People needing these types will know when they need
>them and apply the required explicit conversions to fit their use case.
>
>E.g. in
In a message of Wed, 14 Oct 2015 08:38:43 -0700, Guido van Rossum writes:
>Perhaps you could solve this with type variables. Here's a little
>demonstration program:
>```
>from decimal import Decimal
>from typing import TypeVar
>F = TypeVar('F', float, Decimal)
>def add(a: F, b: F) -> F:
>return
In a message of Wed, 14 Oct 2015 21:21:30 -, Oscar Benjamin writes:
>Generally if it's possible to interchange floats and decimals in your code
>then there's probably no need for decimals in the first place.
Yes, but, at least around here the common case is that you already
_have_ a pile of
I forgot something.
In a message of Wed, 14 Oct 2015 21:21:30 -, Oscar Benjamin writes:
>The point of static type checking is to detect precisely these kinds of
>errors.
Yes, but what I expect the type annotations to be used for, especially
in the SciPy world, is to make things easier for N
In a message of Wed, 14 Oct 2015 23:49:33 +0100, Oscar Benjamin writes:
>I'm sure the bokeh developers will be aware of the different ways that
>their library is used (at this level). If the input spec is "sequence of
>coercible to float" then I agree that they should use type annotations to
>match
All these overloads makes the code hard to read.
The whole idea of 'i have to know which decorator
got called before the other one' is a smell that
you have too many decorators.
This whole idea reeks 'i can be very, very clever here'.
Laura
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see the following:
lac@smartwheels:~/junk$ echo "print ('hello there')" >string.py
lac@smartwheels:~/junk$ idle-python3.5
hello there
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "", line 1, in
File "/usr/lib/python3.5/idlelib/run.py", line 10, in
from idlelib import CallTips
File "/usr/lib
In a message of Thu, 29 Oct 2015 18:27:59 +, Paul Moore writes:
>The idle issues seem to me to demonstrate that shadowing the stdlib is
>a bad idea. Of course, consenting adults, and if you override you're
>responsible for correctly replacing the functionality, and all that,
>but honestly, I do
In a message of Thu, 29 Oct 2015 19:13:08 +, Paul Moore writes:
>> I am actually sick of the 'consenting adults' argument.
>> I am dealing with '11 year old children trying to write their
>> first, third and tenth python programs'. For the life of me
>> I cannot see how convenience for the sor
In a message of Thu, 29 Oct 2015 19:30:09 +, Paul Moore writes:
>On 29 October 2015 at 18:45, Donald Stufft wrote:
>> So I don=E2=80=99t think it=E2=80=99s true that people don=E2=80=99t shad=
>> ow the standard library, they just have various ways to do it that have s=
>> everal gotchas and r
In a message of Thu, 29 Oct 2015 13:26:08 -0700, Mark Roseman writes:
>Laura, I think what you want should actually be more-or-less doable in IDLE.
>
>The main routine that starts IDLE should be able to detect if it starts
>correctly (something unlikely to happen if a significant stdlib module is
In a message of Thu, 29 Oct 2015 15:50:30 -0500, Ryan Gonzalez writes:
>Why not just check the path of the imported modules and compare it with the
>Python library directory?
My friend Åsa who is 12 years old suggested exactly this at the club. If this
works then I will be certain to mention thi
In a message of Sun, 01 Nov 2015 08:29:32 +0200, Serhiy Storchaka writes:
>I'm unable to submit any file to any issue, neither via web-form nor via
>e-mail. Checked with different browsers from different computers.
>Meta-tracker doesn't work too.
>
>http://psf.upfronthosting.co.za/roundup/meta/is
In a message of Sun, 01 Nov 2015 05:52:40 -0800, Steve Dower writes:
>The installer and the contained contents are currently tied together, making
>it fairly difficult to mix and match versions.
>
>When 3.5.1 happens is up to Larry, but I'm feeling like the initial rush of
>bug reports has died d
In a message of Sun, 01 Nov 2015 08:23:48 -0800, Steve Dower writes:
>"The initial rush of bug reports I see has not gone down. It's been in steady
>increase."
>
>To clarify, I meant unique bugs. When my job is to fix them, more reports of
>the same bug are not important to me, especially once t
In a message of Sun, 01 Nov 2015 10:51:05 -0800, Larry Hastings writes:
>
>
>On 11/01/2015 09:10 AM, Laura Creighton wrote:
>> Put that on python.org as soon as possible.
>> even if you need to bump the python 3.5 numbering.
>> you get 3.5.1 for this, and this alone
In a message of Sun, 15 Nov 2015 12:56:18 +, Paul Moore writes:
>On 15 November 2015 at 07:23, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
>> I don't see any good reason for allowing non-ASCII-compatible
>> encodings in the reference CPython interpreter.
>
>>From PEP 263:
>
> Any encoding which allows pr
In a message of Tue, 24 Nov 2015 14:05:53 +, Paul Moore writes:
>Simply adding "people who have no control over their broken
>infrastructure" with a note that this PEP helps them, would be
>sufficient here (and actually helps the case for the PEP, so why not?
>;-))
But does it help them? Or d
In a message of Wed, 25 Nov 2015 15:39:54 -0500, "R. David Murray" writes:
>I think we should include the environment variable support in CPython
>and be done with it (nuke the PEP otherwise). Which is what I've
>thought from the beginning :)
>
>--David
I like this idea too.
Laura
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My mailer just barfed trying to read that summary.
The problem is that the mail comes out with the encoding:
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
but then wants to print 'http://bugs.python.org/issue25709 opened
by Ãrpád Kósa'
Can we change the encoding to utf-8 ?
Laura
_
In a message of Tue, 01 Dec 2015 10:13:10 -0600, Ryan Gonzalez writes:
>Did you get the x86-64 version or x86? If you had gotten the former, it would
>lead to that error.
No, his problem is his windows XP.
Python 3.5 is not supported on windows XP. Upgrade your OS or
stick with 3.4
Intentional or Oversight?
Laura
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In a message of Thu, 03 Dec 2015 13:37:17 +, Paul Moore writes:
>On 3 December 2015 at 12:51, Laura Creighton wrote:
>> Intentional or Oversight?
>
>Hard to find :-)
>
>https://docs.python.org/3/reference/expressions.html#displays-for-lists-sets-and-dictionaries
>
&g
In a message of Thu, 03 Dec 2015 15:09:12 +, Random832 writes:
>> 6.2.4 Constructing lists, sets and dictionaries -- explicitly or through
>> the use of comprehensions
>
>I don't like the idea of calling it "explicit construction".
>Explicit construction to me means the actual use of a ca
What I would like is if it were a lot easier for a person who just
saw a list comprehension for the very first time, and was told what it
is, to have a much, much easier time finding it in the Reference Manual.
Would a section on comprehensions in general, defining what a comprehension
is be appro
So how do we get search to work so that people in the Language
Reference who type in 'List Comprehension' get a hit?
Laura
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As webmaster, I am dealing with 3 unhappy would-be python users who have
windows 10.
Right now their first problem is that when they click on the big
yellow button here: https://www.python.org/downloads/
instead of getting a download of 3.5.1 they get a redirect to
https://www.python.org/download
In a message of Mon, 07 Dec 2015 13:24:57 -0800, Steve Dower writes:
>On 07Dec2015 1250, Laura Creighton wrote:
>> As webmaster, I am dealing with 3 unhappy would-be python users who have
>> windows 10.
>>
>> Right now their first problem is that when they click on th
In a message of Mon, 07 Dec 2015 21:58:16 +0100, "M.-A. Lemburg" writes:
>On 07.12.2015 21:50, Laura Creighton wrote:
>> As webmaster, I am dealing with 3 unhappy would-be python users who have
>> windows 10.
>>
>> Right now their first problem is that when t
In a message of Mon, 07 Dec 2015 14:03:41 -0800, Steve Dower writes:
>On 07Dec2015 1324, Steve Dower wrote:
>> On 07Dec2015 1250, Laura Creighton wrote:
>>> As webmaster, I am dealing with 3 unhappy would-be python users who have
>>> windows 10.
>>>
>
>
&
In a message of Tue, 15 Dec 2015 11:46:03 +0100, Armin Rigo writes:
>Hi all,
>
>On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 8:13 PM, Laura Creighton wrote:
>> Python 3.5 is not supported on windows XP. Upgrade your OS or
>> stick with 3.4
>
>Maybe this information should be written down s
For those of you not at the Language Summit at PyCON the day before yesterday,
there was talk of identifying non-portable behaviour, such as relying on
CPython's reference counting garbage collector to close files for you as
soon as they become unreachable. And then warning about them.
We have a
In a message of Fri, 25 Mar 2011 18:14:02 -0400, Jesse Noller writes:
>Ben,
>
>In principle I agree with you - I would like open archives for the
>specific reasons you cite, but I value the ability for people who may
>not be comfortable with coming out and openly discussing things on a
>list if the
In a message of Sat, 26 Mar 2011 10:46:27 +1100, Ben Finney writes:
> The audience of the proposed forum (AFAICT) is people who want to learn
> enough to contribute to the Python core. So, no, they're different
> roles.
The other side of the proposed forum is people who want to teach such
people.
In a message of Tue, 29 Mar 2011 19:23:25 BST, Michael Foord writes:
>Hey all,
>
>Not sure how real the security risk is here:
>
> http://blog.omega-prime.co.uk/?p=107
>
>Basically he is saying that if you store a list of blacklisted files
>with names encoded in big-5 (or some other non-utf8
In a message of Sat, 02 Apr 2011 10:36:01 CDT, s...@pobox.com writes:
>>> =A0 =A0Antoine> Take a look at:
>>> =A0 =A0Antoine> http://docs.python.org/devguide/committing.html
>>> =
>
>>> What form should directed graphs be in for inclusion?
>
>anatoly> Pictures.
>
>anatoly> B
In a message of Sat, 02 Apr 2011 12:56:13 CDT, s...@pobox.com writes:
>
>Laura> Sphinx lets you embed graphviz.
>Laura> http://sphinx.pocoo.org/ext/graphviz.html?highlight=image
>
>Cool, thanks. I'm going to try to reproduce Nick's setup as he described
>it. That would certainly be a whol
In a message of Tue, 12 Apr 2011 15:56:32 EDT, Barry Warsaw writes:
>The Deriving section of the PEP is not the most important part of it, and
> is
>not making specific recommendations. If it's not clear that it's only
>providing examples, or it's distracting, then maybe it's better off being
>re
I think that if you add this, people will start relying on it.
Laura
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Politely ask them to add it.
(just my suggrestion).
Laura
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This just in from pypy-dev. I am reposting it here because I
am fairly certain that nobody on the pypy-dev mailing list
uses the multibytecodex, but there has got to be at least one
person here who does.
Please reply to the pypy-dev article, not here, or mail to pypy-...@python.org
if you are no
Whenever people have demanded that I write documentation in html
I have always done this:
all my documentation, as output from a text editor.
All subsequent formatting to be done by somebody else who doesn't
find dealing with html as excruciatingly painful as I do.
I suspect there are lots of
In a message of Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:41:50 +1000, Nick Coghlan writes:
>Ian Bicking wrote:
>> Anyway, another even more expedient option would be setting up a
>> separate bug tracker (something simpler to submit to than SF) and
>> putting a link on the bottom of every page, maybe like:
>> http://
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