Re: reconsider re-opening ticket 901

2013-05-14 Thread Alex Ogier
On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 12:09 AM, Russell Keith-Magee < russ...@keith-magee.com> wrote: > As far as I can make out, that's exactly the same use case -- you're just > making the example a little bit more explicit regarding the fact that 'a' > is an object referred to by reference, so if 'a' is upda

Re: Perception of attitude in tickets

2013-05-14 Thread Daniele Procida
On Mon, May 13, 2013, Łukasz Rekucki wrote: >> The status WONTFIX sounds awfully rude to me. It's like saying "That's a >> pony and you can't have one, ever." It implies a terminal finality which >> actually isn't meant in some cases, because it is possible (as we've seen) >> and even sometimes r

Re: reconsider re-opening ticket 901

2013-05-14 Thread Shai Berger
On Tuesday 14 May 2013, Alex Ogier wrote: > > It's a totally new behavior that has > plenty of corner cases such as foreign keys, and especially OneToOneFields. > Another one is initializers: get() or any other method of fetching an object from the database will call __init__() with the fields

Re: reconsider re-opening ticket 901

2013-05-14 Thread Alex Ogier
On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 7:38 AM, Shai Berger wrote: > On Tuesday 14 May 2013, Alex Ogier wrote: > > > > It's a totally new behavior that has > > plenty of corner cases such as foreign keys, and especially > OneToOneFields. > > > Another one is initializers: get() or any other method of fetching

Re: reconsider re-opening ticket 901

2013-05-14 Thread Tim Chase
On 2013-05-14 10:43, Alex Ogier wrote: > What happens in the following case? > > a = A(dict_field={"hello": "world"}) > d = a.dict_field > a.save() > a.refresh() > d["hello"] = "planet"# does this mutate a.dict_field? does the > answer change if somebody changed the database in between saving

Re: reconsider re-opening ticket 901

2013-05-14 Thread Anssi Kääriäinen
On 14 touko, 18:07, Tim Chase wrote: > On 2013-05-14 10:43, Alex Ogier wrote: > > > What happens in the following case? > > > a = A(dict_field={"hello": "world"}) > > d = a.dict_field > > a.save() > > a.refresh() > > d["hello"] = "planet"    # does this mutate a.dict_field? does the > > answer cha

Re: Perception of attitude in tickets

2013-05-14 Thread Sam Solomon
As an outsider with very little data (so you can ignore this if you strongly disagree), I sort of agree with the notion that "WONTFIX" could be sending a different signal that it is being used for. WONTFIX to me would mean, "We acknowledge that this is an annoyance for some people, but we're no

Re: Perception of attitude in tickets

2013-05-14 Thread Cal Leeming [Simplicity Media Ltd]
Hello all, I just spent around 90 minutes reading through everyones comments (word for word), and writing up a reply offering my two cents. First off - a few years back someone introduced a 5-for-1 system where if you triaged five other tickets, you could request for a core dev to give detailed a

djangoproject.com is down

2013-05-14 Thread Jacob Kaplan-Moss
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Re: djangoproject.com is down

2013-05-14 Thread Jacob Kaplan-Moss
Hi folks - Looks like we're back. FTR, the cause was an issue with our hosting provider, more here: http://status.mediatemple.net/maintenances/3148-emergency-maintenance-multiple-dvve-hostservers-rebooted/. I'm going to look into adding a bit more redundancy so that we're more resilient against a