Re: software updates file in /usr -- policy bug?

2004-10-26 Thread sean finney
hey martin, On Tue, Oct 26, 2004 at 05:47:03PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote: > - The administrator has no place in /usr, it's the package > manager's domain. > > - Tools keep MD5 sums for files installed. When a file in /usr > changes, it is usually an indication of something fishy; t

another update on common database app infrastructure

2004-10-27 Thread sean finney
hey all, an update on this database common stuff: - i've made a few alterations to the debconf templates and pre-configuration outline based on both on and off-list feedback - i've made some updates to the "best practices" web page, primarily the "build time and run time tools" section. - i

Re: Debconf is not a registry (was: Right Way to make a configuration package)

2004-11-01 Thread sean finney
On Mon, Nov 01, 2004 at 08:04:14AM +0100, Marc Haber wrote: > Why is the information given during package installation stored > persistently in the first place? it's not stored persistently, that's why it's in /var/cache :) sean -- signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Bug#283578: ITP: hot-babe -- erotic graphical system activity monitor

2004-12-01 Thread sean finney
On Wed, Dec 01, 2004 at 05:38:39PM +0100, Michelle Konzack wrote: > > However, I'd be *highly* agitated if someone gave my daughter a > > CD-ROM with *any* nudy cartoons. > > Agreed. then don't give your daughter sudo privileges on your debian machines, and she can't install it! :) sorry, coul

Bug#283903: ITP: dbconfig-common -- common framework for packaging database applications

2004-12-01 Thread Sean Finney
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Package name: dbconfig-common Version : 0.7 Upstream Author : sean finney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> URL : http://people.debian.org/~seanius/policy/dbconfig-common.html L

Re: Bug#283903: ITP: dbconfig-common -- common framework for packaging database applications

2004-12-02 Thread sean finney
hi paul, On Fri, Dec 03, 2004 at 12:09:38AM +1100, Paul Hampson wrote: > _Sweeet!_ What's the timeframe on seeing this? And any chance > of it making Sarge? honestly, i think i'd rather not see it go into sarge, at least while it's still half-finished and possibly buggy. of course i reserve

ldap - a completely new method for fetching lists of packages?

2004-12-02 Thread sean finney
hey folks, in the past year or so i've been spending a fair amount of time with ldap. a while back, the thought occurred to me, why not put the list of available packages in ldap? so.. i did that. i found if you put a timestamp with the package on its way way into the ldap tree, you could then

Re: ldap - a completely new method for fetching lists of packages?

2004-12-02 Thread sean finney
On Thu, Dec 02, 2004 at 12:03:27PM -0500, Simon Law wrote: > On Thu, Dec 02, 2004 at 11:47:38AM -0500, sean finney wrote: > > please, please treat this machine politely. it's my workstation and > > i have no qualms with turning off slapd if it's getting in the > &

Re: RFC: common database policy/infrastracture

2004-12-02 Thread sean finney
hi andreas, On Thu, Dec 02, 2004 at 10:32:50PM +0100, Andreas Tille wrote: > More questions on your version 0.7: > > - I asked in previous mail what to do for PostgreSQL support. While >having a quick view on the code I wonder if just using a variable >for the database server most of th

Re: ldap - a completely new method for fetching lists of packages?

2004-12-02 Thread sean finney
On Thu, Dec 02, 2004 at 07:08:17PM -0500, Daniel Burrows wrote: > On Thursday 02 December 2004 11:47 am, sean finney wrote: > > exponentially faster > > How, exactly, is this "exponentially faster"? Is it guaranteed to run in > logarithmic time relative to a norm

Re: removing in postrm rc*.d symlinks that I did not create

2004-12-15 Thread sean finney
On Thu, Dec 16, 2004 at 12:34:21AM +0100, Nicolas Boullis wrote: > But a user felt concerned that, in the future, he may remove the package > and forget to delete the links. Then I thought I could remove the links > in postrm on purge, considering they are part of the package's > configuration (

Re: RFC: common database policy/infrastracture

2004-12-16 Thread sean finney
On Thu, Dec 16, 2004 at 08:27:20AM +0100, Andreas Tille wrote: > Yes, but I do not want to store the password *anywhere* - it could even > be removed from debconf database because it makes no sense to store it > in case the local maintainer changes the database password the value > is absolutely us

Re: RFC: common database policy/infrastracture

2004-12-16 Thread sean finney
On Thu, Dec 16, 2004 at 04:17:11PM +0100, Olaf van der Spek wrote: > Ah, k. It makes less/no sense to store that password. > But I wonder, is there no way to use the 'power' of the root account > to do such DB administration without password then? in mysql, at least, there is. however, you have t

Re: removing in postrm rc*.d symlinks that I did not create

2004-12-16 Thread sean finney
On Fri, Dec 17, 2004 at 02:16:00AM +0100, Nicolas Boullis wrote: > > if the package is removed, the init script should just exit with 0 > > status. removing the links during purge would also be appropriate. > > So you think lintian is wrong to complain? no, i think lintian is correct to complain

Re: Orphaning some packages

2005-01-04 Thread sean finney
hi thorsten, On Sat, Jan 01, 2005 at 04:14:03PM +0100, Thorsten Sauter wrote: > I plan to orphan some of my packages. At the moment I have not enough > time for those packages. > >cacti - Frontend to rrdtool for monitoring systems and services i'm a cacti user myself and would be happy to ta

Re: Orphaning some packages

2005-01-06 Thread sean finney
hi thorsten, On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 06:08:02PM +0100, Thorsten Sauter wrote: > | i'm a cacti user myself and would be happy to take this one over. at > | some point i even wrote up some code to help transition people from > | the version in woody, which i could probably dig up. > > yes. Please

Re: PHP application packaging policy/best practice?

2005-01-08 Thread sean finney
hi there, On Sat, Jan 08, 2005 at 03:05:15PM +0100, Jérôme Warnier wrote: > > Any thoughts? > I collected some interesting Debian packaging Web Applications policy > drafts some time ago: > http://glasnost.beeznest.org/articles/184 to throw another link out: http://people.debian.org/~seanius/pol

Re: Orphaning some packages

2005-02-01 Thread sean finney
hi martin, On Tue, Feb 01, 2005 at 02:11:30PM +, Martin Michlmayr wrote: > > okay, when i return from VAC in three days i'll start packaging the new > > upstream release for it, and take over the package with a new upload. > > What's the status of this? i haven't finished packaging the new u

Re: Bug#293561: ITP: player -- music player and organizer for GNOME

2005-02-04 Thread sean finney
On Fri, Feb 04, 2005 at 01:39:16PM +, Steve McIntyre wrote: > Please use a less generic name. "player" alone means very little and > is likely to cause confusion. also, keep in mind that a package named "player" (different software) was previously ITP'd, and the packager was told the same thin

Re: what is /.udev for ?

2005-02-09 Thread sean finney
On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 06:51:11PM +0100, Björn Krombholz wrote: > .dev is just a binding to the original (static) /dev/ that is created > before udev mounts it's dynamic /dev over the existing one. So if you > rm everything in /.dev you would delete everything in /dev which might > be needed at bo

Re: what is /.udev for ?

2005-02-09 Thread sean finney
On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 10:46:29PM +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote: > On Feb 09, sean finney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > how does /.dev fit in with the fhs? > It does not, but there is no other place to put it. Just do not look at > it and it will not bother you. tha

Re: what is /.udev for ?

2005-02-09 Thread sean finney
On Thu, Feb 10, 2005 at 12:13:40AM +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote: > > must it be mounted for everyone, or is it merely a convenience/necessity > > for a few people in specific situations? if the latter is true, wouldn't > For people who want MAKEDEV to keep updating the static /dev. that hardly sound

Re: eleventh-hour transition for mysql-using packages related to apache

2005-02-11 Thread sean finney
On Fri, Feb 11, 2005 at 10:15:55AM +0100, Francesco P. Lovergine wrote: > FYI: new mysql FLOSS includes OpenSSL license, so many packages could > migrate to current libmysqlclient starting from no starting from now.. that's great to hear! i'm cc'ing the relevant wishlist bug i have open against m

Re: Request for Help: apt 0.6

2005-02-14 Thread sean finney
On Mon, Feb 14, 2005 at 08:04:51PM +0100, Peter Palfrader wrote: > A similar 2 key system is probably a good idea for security, and maybe > also for the normal rotated keys (just ship 2005 and 2006 keys now). i think having two keys would make logistics a lot simpler for release upgrades, assuming

pwc-source headed for unstable this weekend

2005-02-17 Thread sean finney
i've been using this new pwc driver for a while now and have not had any problems with it, tested on i386 and amd64 boxen. so, after looking over the latest version, assuming there are no new issues i'll plan on uploading the pwc-source package to unstable. i don't think this really warrants a

Re: pwc-source headed for unstable this weekend

2005-02-17 Thread sean finney
On Thu, Feb 17, 2005 at 09:08:11PM +0100, Eric Lavarde wrote: > pwc: no version for "struct_module" found: kernel tainted. i'm guessing that this has to do with how you compiled the module. i don't get this message if i use "m-a build pwc-source" or the appropriate --append-to-version flags with m

b.d.o -> ldap gateway reeeeaally slow

2005-02-17 Thread sean finney
example below. is this a problem of the server being generally over-taxed, or just a sluggish ldap implementation? in either case, has someone looked to see if the ldap db could be optimized/indexed? if not and someone could send me the slapd.conf i could send some recommendations on things to s

splitting a source package into 2 source packages

2005-02-25 Thread sean finney
hi, i'm maintaining a source package that produces two binary packages. however, one of the packages is built from a seperately distributed (same author, same website, but different tarball and versioning scheme) tarball. so i'm thinking these two packages should be generated from their own resp

Re: splitting a source package into 2 source packages

2005-02-26 Thread sean finney
hi josh, On Sat, Feb 26, 2005 at 02:18:19PM -0500, Josh Metzler wrote: > I seem to recall hearing that NEW processing is based solely on binary > packages, so that the new source package would not need to go through NEW > if it creates a binary package that is already in the archive. > > I coul

[OT] maildir (was Re: procmail and Large File Support)

2005-02-27 Thread sean finney
can't help but chime in here :) On Mon, Feb 28, 2005 at 09:22:30AM +1100, Brian May wrote: > Not every situation warrants using maildir, it uses a large number of > inodes, is slow to scan (yes, mbox isn't very good either), > inefficient at storing large number of very small files (due to block >

Re: [OT] maildir (was Re: procmail and Large File Support)

2005-02-27 Thread sean finney
On Sun, Feb 27, 2005 at 06:51:32PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > That seems awfully huge. In my (Maildir) archive of d-u, the > average size is 4,959 bytes. Of course, there are no html mails. > Though, even in my Evolution list archive, where there are many > more html-mails, the average size is

Re: [OT] maildir

2005-02-28 Thread sean finney
On Tue, Mar 01, 2005 at 09:03:06AM +1100, Brian May wrote: > Also, all mailing list software I have seen so far exclusively uses > mbox files. > > Sure, these are implementation issues that could be solved, but > currently mbox wins. if the use of your stored mail is append-only and read-only, th

Re: splitting a source package into 2 source packages

2005-02-28 Thread sean finney
On Tue, Mar 01, 2005 at 12:29:09AM +0100, Bill Allombert wrote: > Given that some people might find offensive to be compared to > illuminati, I don't think this is the best way to engage the ftp-master. > YMMV. perhaps i should have made it a bit more apparent that my tongue was slightly in-chee

please test new version of cacti in experimental

2005-03-01 Thread sean finney
hi there, i've packaged the next upstream version of cacti, which i'll be keeping in experimental until i work out this whole single source -> multiple source for the 2 binary packages formerly produced by cacti. in the meantime, i would be very interested to hear how the upgrade path from the pr

Re: splitting a source package into 2 source packages

2005-03-02 Thread sean finney
On Mon, Feb 28, 2005 at 10:04:03PM +0200, Cesar Martinez Izquierdo wrote: > > istr the same thing, and was thinking that this might be the case. > > since i don't suppose the ftp-master __ are going to come out > > of hiding just to answer this question, i guess i'll upload, find out, > > a

announcing first release of common database infrastructure package

2005-03-04 Thread sean finney
hey folks, you might remember some time ago i started a thread[1] or two[2] about developing a consistant policy/feel for how database (more specifically rdbms) application packages should work. well, since then i've spent a lot of time working on both a 'best practices' document as well as a deb

Re: announcing first release of common database infrastructure package

2005-03-04 Thread sean finney
to reply to my own post... i was under the impression that because dbconfig-common was previously in experimental that i wouldn't have problems related to the stalled NEW queue, but i was wrong. so you can get them here: deb http://people.debian.org/~seanius/policy/examples/ ./ deb-src http:

Re: announcing first release of common database infrastructure package

2005-03-07 Thread sean finney
hi martin, On Mon, Mar 07, 2005 at 01:23:51PM +1300, Martin Langhoff wrote: > sounds really good. How do your scripts relate to the db management > scripts provided by wwwconfig-common, maintained by Ola Lundqvist > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>? my code is a superset of what's done in wwwconfig-common. p

Re: Key management using a USB key

2005-03-07 Thread sean finney
On Tue, Mar 08, 2005 at 12:46:46AM +0100, David Härdeman wrote: > o In order to minimize the exposure of the key, it might be wise to > mount the drive, load the keys (ssh,gpg) into the memory of the > appropriate agents and then unmount the drive. On the other hand, does > this actually prov

Re: Key management using a USB key

2005-03-07 Thread sean finney
hi, On Mon, Mar 07, 2005 at 09:52:31PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: > > i have a usb/hotplug/ssh-add script that loads an ssh key off of a usb > > stick, and removes it when the usb stick is removed. if you're > > interested i can send you a copy off-list. > > Any reason not to post it on-list?

Re: announcing first release of common database infrastructure package

2005-03-08 Thread sean finney
hi christian, On Mon, Mar 07, 2005 at 05:58:43PM +0100, Christian Perrier wrote: > You might want to post a call for translations for the common > templates in the package, as I understand this package includes a set > of common templates. yeah, this project aims at making life easier for three d

Re: announcing first release of common database infrastructure package

2005-03-08 Thread sean finney
On Tue, Mar 08, 2005 at 10:51:48PM +0100, Christian Perrier wrote: > Comments about the templates: wow... thanks for all these. i'll work on incorporating these suggestions in with the next version, before i make a request for translations. sean -- signature.asc Description: Digita

Re: Key management using a USB key

2005-03-08 Thread sean finney
hello, On Wed, Mar 09, 2005 at 01:38:22AM +0100, David Härdeman wrote: > o when the usb key is inserted, the user is prompted for a password to > the encrypted loopback file which is then mounted, the ssh keys within > are fed to ssh agent, and the file is unmounted again. you could easily ext

Re: Cron-standard package to replace current tasks in 'cron'

2005-03-09 Thread sean finney
hi, On Wed, Mar 09, 2005 at 04:00:49PM +0100, David Schmitt wrote: > Why {c,sh}ouldn't they be implemented as cron.daily scripts in the respective > packages? i'd like to ack that. however, if the non-arch specific stuff (generic cron jobs, init scripts, etc) for cron is still sufficiently comp

Re: Cron-standard package to replace current tasks in 'cron'

2005-03-09 Thread sean finney
hi, On Wed, Mar 09, 2005 at 08:36:24PM +0100, Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña wrote: > They are already are, please review the (simple) package. For some of the > packages that provide them (like systat) the tasks are pulled in from the > depends:, for other packages there might be users that mig

Re: Debian LDAP schema for Debian Packages

2005-03-10 Thread sean finney
hi, On Thu, Mar 10, 2005 at 12:15:32PM -0300, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I wonder if there is a debian ldap schema to > store debian packages. Better yet, > are we going to have one ever? while i am not the maintainer of the debian oid arch, i wrote an unofficial debian package schema some time b

Re: Key management using a USB key

2005-03-14 Thread sean finney
On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 09:30:54AM +0100, Matthias Urlichs wrote: > > o gpg-agent support in the same manner as ssh-agent would be neat. I > > understand that this requires gnupg 2.0 though. > > While gpg-agent is built from the gnupg 2.0 sources (a development > snapshot of which is currently

Re: Key management using a USB key

2005-03-14 Thread sean finney
hi, On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 02:19:46PM +0100, Erik Schanze wrote: > Your fingers lie on a bloody wound. ;-) > > There was ITP #187548 for newpg, but was closed last summer. aha. > Please reopen it and make a package for newpg to make KMail-Users happy. > If you have not enough time, would you s

Re: [RFC] OpenLDAP automatic upgrade

2005-03-14 Thread sean finney
hi torsten, much of what you're trying to do touches a similar vein to a project i'm currently working on[1]. while unfortunately i haven't built in any support for ldap (only mysql/pgsql), the topics, concepts, and practices are directly relevant to your situation and i'd recommend reading throu

Re: [RFC] OpenLDAP automatic upgrade

2005-03-15 Thread sean finney
hey, On Tue, Mar 15, 2005 at 10:02:23PM +0100, Torsten Landschoff wrote: > As far as I can see your are mostly targetting packages /using/ a > database? Good work so far looking at your text. The few database using > packages I tried to install did not work as good as I'd have expected... this is

Re: Key management using a USB key

2005-03-15 Thread sean finney
hi matthias, On Tue, Mar 15, 2005 at 08:02:34AM +0100, Matthias Urlichs wrote: > > - when gnupg releases an official version 2, james uploads a new gnupg > > that replaces the previous source package (or would it have to have > > the same name?), and generates all binary packages. > > > That

Re: Key management using a USB key

2005-03-15 Thread sean finney
hi, On Wed, Mar 16, 2005 at 01:39:44AM +0100, Matthias Urlichs wrote: > > also, what about the library issue? > > > Which library issue? AFAIK the packages co-exist nicely. istr trying to build gpg-agent from the upstream source but the configure script would fail because i didn't have the appro

Re: Bug#299724: ITP: groach -- pests such as roaches hide under your windows (xroach clone)

2005-03-15 Thread sean finney
On Tue, Mar 15, 2005 at 06:18:43PM -0700, Wesley J. Landaker wrote: > groach is a clone of the classic xroach program, but with multiple > themes, more modern code, and a free license. why would anyone want to use this program? it's so... full... of... bugs... (/me goes and hides under an xterm

Re: Bug#263743: Call For Help - Please support the ppc64 architecture

2005-03-16 Thread sean finney
On Wed, Mar 16, 2005 at 10:24:04PM +, Scott James Remnant wrote: > Because it's a 64-bit version of an already supported architecture. > Having "ppc" and "ppc64" would be fine, as would having "powerpc" and > "powerpc64". Having "powerpc" and "ppc64" is inconsistent. and deviating from an alr

Re: mixing different upstream sources in one package

2005-11-19 Thread sean finney
hi jay, On Sat, Nov 19, 2005 at 12:27:33PM -0500, Jay Berkenbilt wrote: > From time to time, someone announces an intention to package some tiny > script or program, and people suggest including it in some other > package instead to avoid pollution of the archive with lots of tiny > packages. Alt

Re: How to deal with dependencies/conflics on third party packages

2005-11-20 Thread sean finney
hi joerg, On Sun, Nov 20, 2005 at 10:23:58AM +, Joerg Sommer wrote: > I've got a bug report (#336527) my package bootchart-view do not work > with j2re1.3. But j2re1.3 is not in Debian. Can I set a conflict upon a > packages that is not in Debian? But if it do not work with j2re1.3 it > should

Re: Spliting packages between pkg and pkg-data

2005-11-23 Thread sean finney
just throwing a quick $0.02 in here, On Wed, Nov 23, 2005 at 01:51:30PM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > > Well, being able to read the documentation (including the man page) of a > > binary without requiring the binary to be installed is a good thing > > IMHO. Especially for big and complex s

Re: Alternate proposal for Declassification of debian-private archives

2005-12-01 Thread sean finney
On Thu, Dec 01, 2005 at 09:56:48PM +, Dave Holland wrote: > On Fri, Dec 02, 2005 at 08:30:37AM +1100, Robert Collins wrote: > > I think the default behaviour should be to keep the post private, not to > > open it up. That is, if the author and other individuals do not reply, > > the message is

Bug#341748: ITP: nagios2 -- A host/service/network monitoring and management system

2005-12-02 Thread Sean Finney
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Sean Finney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 (explanation for why there needs to be a nagios2 given after the blurb) Package name: nagios2 Version : 2.0 (when released) Upstream Author : Ethan G

Re: Bug#342244: mysql-dfsg-5.0: FTBFS on hppa

2005-12-06 Thread sean finney
hi -admin and -devel, executive summary: mysterious and unreproducible ftbfs for mysql, and perhaps other packages on the hppa architecture. a faulty buildd (sarti) is suspected, but afaict all requests for information remain unanswered. i'm suspecting hardware problems, as for mysql this is n

Re: Proposal/Request for Comments: Formally extending package Descriptions to handle bulleted lists.

2005-12-12 Thread sean finney
On Mon, Dec 12, 2005 at 03:09:52PM -0800, Daniel Burrows wrote: > The attached text is a first draft of a proposed extension to the > Description field to explicitly handle bulleted lists. The extended wow! that's quite a document. i'm glad to see that people are focusing on the Really Big pro

init scripts and the "reload" target

2006-01-06 Thread sean finney
heyo, a while back, i noticed that there seems to be some rather inconsistent behaviour wrt doing "/etc/init.d/foo reload". typically this results in a HUP or something similar sent to the daemon in question, causing it to reload configuration, but in some cases the init script's actions are iden

Re: Andrew Suffield

2006-01-15 Thread sean finney
On Sun, Jan 15, 2006 at 11:58:51AM +0100, Adrian von Bidder wrote: > Do you think your constant bitching is funny? Do you think it achieves > anything? > > There are other DDs who are also involved in intense debates and flamewars > very often, but you're the only one where I constantly get th

Re: Severity of architecture-dependent bugs

2006-02-25 Thread sean finney
hi shaun, perhaps someone else will be able to answer this more authoritatively but in the meantime... On Sat, Feb 25, 2006 at 11:30:16AM -0700, Shaun Jackman wrote: > A grave bug has been file against a package I maintain pointing out > that the package does not work on AMD64 and in fact never h

Re: custom package error: dpkg -P tries to remove /opt

2006-03-07 Thread sean finney
hi goswin, roberto, et al. On Tue, Mar 07, 2006 at 10:17:35AM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > The bigger question is: Why is no package containing /opt? Shouldn't > that be in base-files like all the other core dirs? just a wild guess: for the same reason as /usr/local (policy/fhs)

Re: versioned symbols in shared libraries (upstream != Debian)

2006-03-14 Thread Sean Finney
On Tue, Mar 14, 2006 at 01:25:21AM +0100, Christian Hammers wrote: > Now MySQL finally closed my bug report to them and provides symbols > in their upstream source. Sadly they look like: > f280 gDF .text 000b libmysqlclient_15 mysql_row_tell > f4d0 gDF .text 0043 lib

Re: removing logfiles on purge

2006-03-15 Thread sean finney
yo martin, i don't have enough time to find it, but like a couple years (or more?) ago there was a very, very long thread about logfile removal. the "should logfiles be removed on purge" question can actually be deconstructed into smaller questions: - should /var/log/foo/foo.log be removed on pu

Re: PostgreSQL-Problem and Problem on Alioth

2005-01-25 Thread sean finney
On Tue, Jan 25, 2005 at 10:38:37AM +0100, Martin Pitt wrote: > There are two common ways to achieve that: > > - Connect as "www-data". For this you need an appropriate PostgreSQL > user ("createuser www-data" as user postgres). Then you either make > www-data the owner of the database ("create

Re: eleventh-hour transition for mysql-using packages related to apache

2005-01-28 Thread sean finney
On Fri, Jan 28, 2005 at 04:36:05PM +0100, Andreas Metzler wrote: > On Fri, Jan 28, 2005 at 05:03:26AM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: > [...] > > Over the past six months, the situation has changed significantly. The > > mysql maintainer, mysql upstream, and others have admirably worked through > >

Re: shell script sniplets in /usr/bin?

2005-01-29 Thread sean finney
On Sat, Jan 29, 2005 at 04:18:30PM +, Jochen Voss wrote: > In bug #292759 the maintainer of gettext-base claims, that it is also > ok to install shell script sniplets, which are not executable on > itself into /usr/bin/ > > This is not a bug. > > The file gettext.sh is meant to be sou

Re: shell script sniplets in /usr/bin?

2005-01-29 Thread sean finney
On Sat, Jan 29, 2005 at 05:40:05PM +0100, Santiago Vila wrote: > So I'll repeat: Please read the logs for non-bug Bug#292759, where the > author explains the rationale for putting gettext.sh in /usr/bin. you want ". gettext.sh" to work, which means you want it somewhere in the default system path.

question about packaging kernel module packages

2005-01-29 Thread sean finney
hey list, i'm looking at sponsoring a particular foo-source style kernel module package, and haven't been able to find good documentation on packaging tips/practices for this kind of package. the package i'm looking at is already lintian/linda clean, and, well, it works, but there are a few una

Re: How to detect which user is connected to $DISPLAY

2005-03-27 Thread sean finney
On Fri, Mar 25, 2005 at 10:08:48PM +0100, Michelle Konzack wrote: > My Problem is, HOW to find the $USER who is connected to a $DISPLAY. i have a small shell function that does this in a project i'm working on. this isn't the least hackish way of doing it, but here goes: get_desktop_owner () {

Re: How to detect which user is connected to $DISPLAY

2005-03-27 Thread sean finney
On Sun, Mar 27, 2005 at 10:14:03PM +0200, Vincent Zweije wrote: > As I understand it, the program that puts these entries into the whois > database is called sessreg. Have a look at it; it should be part of > the X startup/shutdown script, at least for xdm. or, if you want to take it a level of a

crediting debconf translators, revisited

2005-04-01 Thread sean finney
hi all, some time back, i remember somebody asking what the proper way was to credit translators who provided debconf template translations. the consensus seemed to be that mentioning them in the changelog was sufficient. not being satisfied with that, however, i wrote up a small script to direc

Re: Why do we still have this on the distribution?

2005-04-05 Thread sean finney
On Tue, Apr 05, 2005 at 03:56:25PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: > The fact that Adam Conrad just made an upload yesterday to fix bugs in > the package seems to indicate that he at least feels that it is > useful. [Or at least, I *hope* that's why an upload was made instead > of requesting removal.]

Re: Bug#303366: ITP: vimcdoc -- Chinese Translation of Vim Online Help Documents

2005-04-06 Thread sean finney
On Thu, Apr 07, 2005 at 01:39:17AM +1200, Carlos Z.F. Liu wrote: > The upstream author occasionally told me that he want to switch to > GFDL, another non-free license. :) Is there any DFSG free document > license? ... OK, I knew GPL and BSDL is, but not everyone think > docuemntation is equal to so

p.d.o status?

2005-04-07 Thread sean finney
hi, would anyone care to comment on the status and expected downtime remaining for gluck? i know it was taken down for emergency hardware maintainance, and appreciate that it might take a while. howeer, if it is going to be a considerable while longer, someone might want to point debian.org to a

Re: gluck available again / filesystem shaked

2005-04-07 Thread sean finney
On Thu, Apr 07, 2005 at 09:32:29PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > The files under /home/__Corrupt-R-US belonging to me all appear to be junk, > fwiw -- or at best, files from old d-i dailies that it's not worth trying > to put back in place. :) But maybe somebody else recognizes some of them as >

Re: Bug#304266: ITP: sdate -- never ending september date

2005-04-12 Thread sean finney
On Tue, Apr 12, 2005 at 12:59:08PM +0200, Christoph Berg wrote: > > Is there any real-life use for this program? > > No. then please don't put it in debian. you can debianize it and host it on your web page (or send it to esr) which will still serve its novelty purpose without adding yet another

Re: All GPL'ed programs have to go to non-free

2005-04-14 Thread sean finney
On Thu, Apr 14, 2005 at 11:47:26PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: > Therefore, all GPL'd programs will have to go to non-free. there's nothing that prevents us from re-distributing modified copies of the GPL, we just can't do so and claim that they are the GPL. even if you did want to nitpick that (wh

Re: PHP/WebApp policy/mailing list

2005-04-30 Thread sean finney
On Sat, Apr 30, 2005 at 05:32:35PM +0100, Neil McGovern wrote: > There's been a bit of discussion[0] recently on the debian-security list > with regards to how include()ed files should be handled. and this for the most part is a good practice. if the file does not need to be directly accessed by

Re: Outrageous Maintainer

2005-04-30 Thread sean finney
On Sat, Apr 30, 2005 at 08:30:38PM +0200, Klaus Ethgen wrote: > The according bug is #306608. having read through the bug report, it seems to me the appropriate thing to have done all along was add a Conflicts statement, which really does no harm and does resolve the issue. HOWEVER, that said, th

Re: Outrageous Maintainer

2005-04-30 Thread sean finney
On Sat, Apr 30, 2005 at 04:36:29PM -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > Wrong. The other package has a broken replaces header, without the required > conflicts header it needs to have. yeah, looks like i was. that said, the rest of my response (this should be forwarded to the tech committ

Re: PHP/WebApp policy/mailing list

2005-05-01 Thread sean finney
On Sun, May 01, 2005 at 01:33:08PM +0200, Jeroen van Wolffelaar wrote: > Eh, because you believe a new lists.d.o list could take a bit of delay, > an alioth list is better? > > Sorry, but I don't agree with the reasoning -- lists.debian.org is for > general discussion lists, while alioth is more f

Re: PHP/WebApp policy/mailing list

2005-05-01 Thread sean finney
On Sun, May 01, 2005 at 04:34:17PM +0200, Alexis Sukrieh wrote: > I agree. That cannot hurt to have a working area. > I also vote for a SVN account. i didn't think you could do svn on alioth. can you? > >so, that said, i'm going to go ahead and apply for an alioth project > >for the packaging re

Re: Sarge release for amd64 - Please help to fix the remaining bugs

2005-05-03 Thread sean finney
On Tue, May 03, 2005 at 10:22:04AM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: > BTW: The interaction between the two MySQL server packages in > unstable/sarge at purge time is *ahem* interesting. > They are really time bombs ready to explode in a few days or > years. > It seems RC bugs are requ

Re: apt in experimental (Re: APT 0.6 migration -- second status report)

2005-05-04 Thread sean finney
hi, On Wed, May 04, 2005 at 12:05:26PM -0700, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > One way around this would be for all of the maintainers of packages > depending on apt to agree to a significant version number increment when > moving to apt 0.6; then such versions could remain in experimental without > being

Re: apt in experimental (Re: APT 0.6 migration -- second status report)

2005-05-04 Thread sean finney
On Wed, May 04, 2005 at 03:08:42PM -0700, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > > Which can't be done (savely) if the key is compromised or expires > > before the update (like it does every year). > > If the key is compromised, we lose, no matter what we do. > > I recommend that we create keys which will not e

Re: apt in experimental (Re: APT 0.6 migration -- second status report)

2005-05-04 Thread sean finney
On Wed, May 04, 2005 at 03:33:37PM -0700, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > If you have some code which implements this, I will take a look, but this > sort of thing is very awkward to do with gpg, and I don't think that there > is much justification for this level of complexity. The existing scheme is > si

Re: Location of Web Application Data, Policy 11.5.3

2005-05-09 Thread sean finney
hi, On Mon, May 09, 2005 at 12:16:48PM +0200, Marc Haber wrote: > quoting from Policy 11.5.3: > > Web Applications should try to avoid storing files in the Web Document > Root. Instead they should use the /usr/share/doc/package directory for > documents and register the Web Applicatio

way to tell when a package makes it to testing?

2005-05-09 Thread sean finney
hey all, (this is a general, non-release related question) i was talking with another member of my local LUG, and he asked if there was a way to tell when a package was uploaded into the testing distribution. currently, the package qa pages say when a package is uploaded into unstable, and they

RFC on mysql 4.1 in sarge

2005-05-18 Thread sean finney
(please excuse the cross-posting, i felt it was necessary to get all affected parties' input) hi, for some time now, christian and i have been trying to build in a workaround for a rather tricky bug in the mysql-server and mysql-server-4.1 packages, and we'd like to field some comments on what o

Re: RFC on mysql 4.1 in sarge

2005-05-18 Thread sean finney
On Wed, May 18, 2005 at 11:00:29PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: > 4 drop mysql-dfsg-4.1 from unstable/sarge not exactly an attractive option, but i guess everything is on the table at this point so it's worth bringing up... the reverse dependencies aren't nearly as severe as i had assumed, actually,

Re: RFC on mysql 4.1 in sarge

2005-05-20 Thread sean finney
hey, On Thu, May 19, 2005 at 08:35:03AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > > > 3 does not sound so bad to me; it's arguably user error anyway to replace > > > a > > > package-provided directory with a symlink in this manner > > > If you consider this an user error, then what is the officially blesse

Re: RFC on mysql 4.1 in sarge

2005-05-20 Thread sean finney
hey, On Thu, May 19, 2005 at 02:49:13AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > I see the same three options. Joey has said he is working on a final woody > point release for the last weekend in May; you'll probably need to > coordinate with him and get something uploaded soon if you want to try for > thi

Re: bts ldap interface: future developments ...

2005-05-24 Thread sean finney
hi andreas, On Tue, May 24, 2005 at 05:14:50PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: > For that reason, I consider to drop the old entries from the main file, > and stick them to a text file so that searches in the archived bugs take > even longer than today, but all others would be really fast. The proble

Re: ITP: sid - Run commands in your /sid chroot

2005-05-27 Thread sean finney
On Fri, May 27, 2005 at 01:46:25PM +0100, Brett Parker wrote: > > I imagine that's a pretty simple change I should just do myself. > > Erm, dchroot already does this. likewise, i'm not sure what this sid package would do that dchroot does not. > (I've got an amd64 with bind mounted home, an i3

Re: Shell variable

2005-05-27 Thread sean finney
hi, On Sat, May 28, 2005 at 01:19:05AM +0100, Adrian Mastronardi wrote: > I need to setup an shell variable: > ENFDATA=/usr/share/rnamotif/enfdata/ according to debian policy, programs must not have to rely on the existence of environment variables. what you should probably do is hard-code into

Re: Release update: minor delay; no non-RC fixes; upgrade reports

2005-05-30 Thread sean finney
hi, On Mon, May 30, 2005 at 04:07:50PM +0100, Roger Leigh wrote: > The BTS does not currently support this. For example, if I upload a > fix to unstable, I have to manually reopen it and tag it sarge. or, you could always not close it in your changelog, and update the bug accordingly.

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