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> I'm _seriously_ offended by this. The idea that the bible (or quake) has
> more redeeming features than purity is ridiculous.
You're being sarcastic, right?
> By the way, why the move to -devel?
I didn't do it.
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Oops, I left an SMTP command at the end of that message. Did you see it?
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Amiga 3000. Runs.
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gov if you don't
believe in those). He can register it if he wishes, but he has rights
whether or not he registers it.
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Watch out, they haven't done the IP number change yet. Hopefully I can get
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I moved this discussion to debian-consultants. I'll eventually move it to
my own list server.
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There are patches to a number of packages on the ftp site. 2.0 is in the
directory "hamm", you can run it if you are real brave but be sure to
find the document on how to upgrade first. It's still months from release.
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category. Obviously, you have to make your categories have no conflicting
packages.
I figured out how to de-select a category, but the demo won't do that.
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The author seems to have dropped the project after releasing
fdisk3. There never has been a good user interface for it.
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Just what operating system do you want to run? If the answer is Debian
Linux, please re-post this question to debian-user@lists.debian.org . If
it's windows, please find someone else to help you, we only do Linux.
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Does that mean there's a Mac kernel now?
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many people
reading it as debian-devel, and since those people are looking for user
questions like yours to answer, it's most likely that you will find a
detailed answer there.
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There's a box in the garage here that says "Mac IIx". I've been holding on
to it hoping that it might someday support the 68k port. Any chance of
that?
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Goodness gracious. Debian-devel has >400 subscribers. Must be a lot of
lurkers.
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archives of the mailing lists? Do we need to add something there to
keep them from being indexed?
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Our SMTP server on the master system stopped answering for a little while.
I sent a hangup to inetd and it started behaving again. Some list articles
were delayed, and some are sitting at our alternate MX host right now and
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Most hated feature of HURD systems - everything comes unstripped, minimum
system is 300MB.
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ers because of stuff I posted a year ago. I can deal with
this, but it seems to annoy Ian Jackson (see his posting).
Maybe we need our own separate Internet, with an intelligence test required to
get in. That's sort of what the Internet was like as recently as 3 years ago.
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stay on the gateway. I'm
trying to be responsive to the other developers.
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There is a new GTK+ release 0.99.0 . This is coordinated with the upcoming
GIMP 0.99.16 release.
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e it would
"unsettle people". I think it's nice for the public to see that we have
a vigorous developer community, which they can do any time they check
the newsgroup - consider the marketing value of this - no other distribution
is nearly as open about their development.
Than
Vtk would fit in non-free. I think it's worth it to ask them to modify
their license to fit the DFSG, I'll fire off a note. This probably means
changes in diff files only (which Ian hates, but I still think is a good
compromise).
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It doesn't happen on my laptop running Debian 1.3 or my SGI running IRIX.
I bet it's a GLIBC 2.0 interaction.
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ch for fund-raising, which we will
definitely have. Art prints? Hm. Perhaps we can get Simon to make a signed
and numbered penguin.
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us,
running multiple instances of busybox should be more economical than running
its components as separate executables.
Why did you think I linked all of those programs together? It was to save
memory.
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Dear Robert,
We do use qmail. If you would like to maintain our spam filter,
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Red Hat doesn't like KDE because Qt because is not free software by _their_
definition, either. They support the GNOME development, and were happy to
see Debian doing so as well.
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Brian,
Please go ahead and package it. When I built it, I left out the Qt support,
however you can package the Qt support separately in "contrib" because
it's dynamicaly loaded.
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Faq-O-Matic is a FAQ generation system - it allows people to add stuff
to a FAQ via a CGI interface, and it displays it, etc. I would like someone
who is better with Perl than I to package it. Please see:
http://www.dartmouth.edu/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/jonh/faq.pl
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Minivend is a GPL-ed online ordering application. It's worth looking at
(and I'm sure one of you will want to package it). See:
http://www.minivend.com/minivend/
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First, try "lesstif", which is packaged with Debian and is free software.
If you have the source for your application, it might work with lesstif,
and then you won't need a motif package.
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Huh? Is PerlShop a separate product, or a component of MiniVend?
How far into the egg-nog were you when you wrote that message?
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the time when you select a package and when it is actually installed.
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I will be working on the boot-floppies package for the next few days.
Hopefully I will have a working boot-floppy tomorrow. I would generate
a set of base disks after that if nobody else has.
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Please be aware that the GIF patent issue is for WRITERS only. Readers
do not use the patented algorithm. Often you can put the writer in non-free
and leave the rest of the program in main.
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OK, I put all of that stuff in Incoming.
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Is libc5-altdev OK in its present state?
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make this automatic with
pre-depends or not.
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What's going on is that we will have an alpha-testable system by the weekend
with any luck, and we can then set deadlines.
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ys ago and are processing it. They usually take longer than that.
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Nobody's going to be upset if you create the new package. I think you should
go ahead.
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OK, I think the patch is only necessary for libc5 run-time.
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It's not _my_ corporation. It's got 4 people on the board.
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It looks as if Richard has taken care of libc5, and libc5-altdev doesn't
need a change. Dale, did you do the ae-using-slang upload? I'm going to
need that soon.
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Who maintains the "tecra patch", and where can I find it?
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the package be installed to run.
See http://www.caldera.com/coas .
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Well, there is a problem with the Gregorian calendar that has to be dealt
with in 2000 years or so (having to do with leap-millenia), but I figure
if it's more than 100 years it's no problem.
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Remember Emerson: "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds."
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> Why does glibc2 not use long long (64 bits) for dates, insead of long int
> (32 bits)? Surely we ought to change this now along with all the other
> libc6 changes?
We have to get POSIX to bless it first. We have 40 years to do it, relax.
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VI? You mean "elvis", "vim", or "nvi"?
Elvis seems to be somewhat flakey on hamm.
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It's OK to package it if you can get the license straight, but I think it
makes sense for us to base our system-management strategy on COAS (see
http://www.coas.org/) .
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and so on...
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t is less than
informative.
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Oops. I sent that message regarding "need IRC help". I think the return
address on the previous mesage is no good.
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Thanks, Johnny.
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Debian has put together with it's
development environment, that there might be people on this list who might
be able to provide some pointers.
All reasonable pointers/assistance will be helpful.
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initial thoughts
were of University/Computer labs... But even these are a little more tied
down...
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-Original Message-
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Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 07:10:28 -0700
From: Ian Bruce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: apt-proxy v2 and rsync
I was distressed to read the following in the documentation for the new
apt-proxy:
- rsync is not officially supp
al overhead without
placing a burden on the rest of the Debian project. Until such a thing
happens, I am assuming that the load of this shall be upon Debian's
general fund.
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o maintain
privilege so that we don't have to report to a court what we discussed
with our attorney. It's not yet clear to me that stuff we post to
debian-private is still under privilege. I'd have to ask our lawyer.
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learning.
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ating that continue to remain ignorant about the
implications of the issue. That could be suicide for the project.
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Andrew Suffield wrote:
You go off and do that then, and leave the rest of us out of it like
you did with the much more serious issue of copyright and patent
laws. You
have not come to any definition for the project, or any process to go
along with the definition.
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Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
You're looking at this from a US-centric viewpoint, Bruce, and extending this
to the whole Project.
Because I am one of the people with legal responsibility for the U.S.
incarnation of the project. I acknowledge that there are many other
jurisdictions where our p
frontends. One
should have to take some deliberate action before seeing those files.
This might be choosing an appropriately marked Jigdo file, or adding a
package repository.
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ur servers. This
is not a subtle difference.
Steve
Agreed.
We are obligated to respect your right of free speech. We aren't
obligated to provide the venue for your speech.
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discussed is whether the Debian project
should distribute that package. Debian's official repository is not the
only way in which packages can be distributed.
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they
know what's right, but have not walked through all of the implications
and distilled it to process, and aren't interested in doing that work.
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Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
<>Of
course. But you haven't proposed a process, so why are you
complaining about us using the process we have?
If I do all of the work, I'll win arguments about the policy. That's OK
with me, but some of you might want to get there first.
to take on a problem.
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You know full well from Debian history that if one person does the work,
they generally get to have it their way.
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Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
Who says? If you are saying that you'll get legal advice, and subvert
the process, so that we can't trust it, thanks for the w
Andrew Suffield wrote:
The project does not exist as a legal entity.
It's more complicated than you think.
Is Debian a legal entity? The answer is unquestionably yes. The only
question is what kind of legal entity it is. The most likely two are:
1. An unincorporated association that has a contrac
next one comes in.
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cy, sexual orientation,
disability, or other factors protected by law.
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d take action against
the person involved.
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Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
And you have evidence that the inclusion of such an image in a bulk
archive, which is present in a merely passive manner, runs afoul of
this provision?
It seems to me that a hostile workplace is not crea
least.
In your workplace? Au contrare.
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support themselves by doing the legal homework to support the
content they desire. The entire project is burdened by it, and as one of
the directors I am expected to clean up after them.
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their own.
That would be very unsympathetic toward the role of people who do the
project a lot of good.
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n and allow them to
decide what not to reject.
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Manoj Srivastava wrote:
Who's we here, kemo sabe? Last I looked, you are not a project member.
You haven't looked in a while.
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er keyring
more than 11 months ago and meet all necessary qualifications of a
Debian developer.
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the Debian
project.
Something like this could potentially give us a framework to discuss
actions of the project that we have no good way of making decisions
about today.
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rince" :-)
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at is your responsibility as someone who lives elsewhere? In some
cases the two nations have an extradition treaty. But even if there is
no such thing, it is inconsiderate to hand the user or mirror operator a
ticking bomb.
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have ruled that they are not.
I don't think we have the slightest chance of proving to any court that
Debian is a common carrier, given the several inches of policy manual
that specify the nature of the content, etc.
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the slightest chance of convincing a
court that we're a common carrier.
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-discriminatory
fashion, which is what a common carrier does. I guess Akamai would be
the closest example today to a mirror operating this way.
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r the many ISPs which provide general HTTP caching services through Squid. Whether as a transparent or voluntary proxy, the goal of these caches is to improve content availability and transfer speed, while reducing bandwidth costs.
That's the best example we have, I think.
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on to influence the project. The other
members are willing to have us on those terms.
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for some people. Of course we want to see everyone
involved bearing some of that load, rather than Debian bearing the
lion's share of it.
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On Wed, 08 Dec 2004, Steve Langasek wrote:
How in the world does changing the names of core system libraries serv
an you provide pointers to concrete LCC proposals of library
renames, so that I can get comfortable with the technical specifics of
what's really at issue here?
They don't exist yet. If we work on this now, we get to make sure we'll
be comfortable with them.
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ide a canonical
widget set on top of other manufacturer's hardware, and MS ate the X
consortium's lunch.
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Jim Gettys wrote:
Pay for say, and centralized development teams funded by such payers, are a major trap.
Let's make sure to keep giving OSDL that message.
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ctures, simply because most of our architectures are
not in common with the rest of LCC.
I think it would be great to get this far. At that point we could decide
if there is any purpose in using the same compile as other folks.
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