t from step 5.
(alternatively, repeat from step 4 and de-select problem packages
or select extra packages)
10. QUIT
Until dselect can install in dependancy order, this is the least hassle
way to complete a dselect installation or upgrade.
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and delete (comment out) "name=value" pairsand do it WITHOUT
disrupting any comments or the order of assignment statements in the
file.
btw, i don't care what the file is called. /etc/sysconfig is just an
example.
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On Sun, 1 Jun 1997, Lars Wirzenius wrote:
> Craig Sanders:
> > This is not only simple to implement, but it is also simple to
> > parse...
>
> Not quite so simple. If you need to allow all characters in the
> values, which requires using escapes and stuff, and consequen
ing vi is that it is THE standard editor for all
unixes. It is the one editor which is guarranteed to be on ANY unix
system.
Having a version of vi (no matter how primitive) available for initial
system config and install is essential.
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worked in 4.0b3, crashes almost 100%
of the time under 4.0b5), or leave a netscape window idle for a while
and have it just die for no apparent reason. Netscape is becoming yet
another example of why free software is better than commercial/non-free.
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On Thu, 4 Dec 1997, Dermot John Bradley wrote:
> - gated (proposed): I built a package about 8-10 months ago but due to the
> requirement for a license (because of the OSPF code) it couldn't go into
> Debian (this was discussed on debian-devel back then). I still have my
> .dsc and .diffs.gz files
On Wed, 26 Nov 1997, Philippe Troin wrote:
> Libc6 2.0.5c has a leak in inet_ntoa.
>
> [...deleted...]
>
> The inside story is: due to a problem with libc6, libc_create_key is
> not declared as a weak symbol of libpthread, and it's not wrapped in
> a macro which detects if the program is linked wi
On 10 Dec 1997, Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote:
> >ok, this is the bug i was looking for. anyone know if there is a fix
> >for this yet?
>
> Yep, download libc6_2.0.6-0.2 (prerelease 2) from
> ftp://ftp.ods.com/pub/linux/ and send [EMAIL PROTECTED] an email
> with your experiences ..
THANK YOU!!!
On 10 Dec 1997, Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote:
> Yep, download libc6_2.0.6-0.2 (prerelease 2) from
> ftp://ftp.ods.com/pub/linux/ and send [EMAIL PROTECTED] an email
> with your experiences ..
>
> Has been running fine here for two or three weeks.
seems to cause portmap to core dumpwhich mess
On Wed, 10 Dec 1997, Craig Sanders wrote:
> On 10 Dec 1997, Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote:
>
> > Yep, download libc6_2.0.6-0.2 (prerelease 2) from
> > ftp://ftp.ods.com/pub/linux/ and send [EMAIL PROTECTED] an email
> > with your experiences ..
> >
> > Has bee
On Tue, 9 Dec 1997, David Engel wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 10, 1997 at 12:12:21PM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote:
> > more on this problem. portmap doesn't segfault on a freshly built
> > hamm system (i.e. one built with bo and upgraded to hamm immediately
> > a few days ago -
On Wed, 10 Dec 1997, Nils Rennebarth wrote:
> On 10 Dec 1997, Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote:
>
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > Yep, download libc6_2.0.6-0.2 (prerelease 2) from
> > ftp://ftp.ods.com/pub/linux/ and send [EMAIL PROTECTED] an email
> > with your experiences ..
> >
> > Has be
On Wed, 10 Dec 1997, Michael Borella wrote:
> I've built a package for ipgrab 0.4a1, a tcpdump-like utility
> that prints out extensive Ethernet/IP/TCP/UDP/ARP header info.
> It was built against libc5 so I don't know how useful it will be
> for now. I'll upload it as soon as I get an account on
On Fri, 19 Dec 1997 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> While I had been a devoted Slackware fan, trying Debian convinced me
> that it is far superior a distribution. However, in the process of
> installing Debian 1.3.1 at least 15 times (several computers and
> several different plans on how to install t
#x27;ll face have to face this problem when the 2.1 kernel is released
as 2.2.
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On Tue, 6 Jan 1998, Elie Rosenblum wrote:
> And thus spake Craig Sanders, on Wed, Jan 07, 1998 at 01:52:06AM +1100:
> > is there any debian policy on number of file descriptors compiled into the
> > kernel? (and also in limits.h in libc6-dev - AFAIK pretty much everything
>
On 7 Jan 1998, Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Craig Sanders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >On Tue, 6 Jan 1998, Elie Rosenblum wrote:
> >
> >> And thus spake Craig Sanders, on Wed, Jan 07, 1998 at 01:52:06AM +1100
On 7 Jan 1998, Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Craig Sanders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >i've tried applying the "gt256 fd patch" but that causes some NFS
> >problems (i use nfs to mount my debian mirror for upgrad
deb
# perl
#
dpkg -iB */libgdbm_*.deb */libgdbm1g_*.deb
# paranoia says "run ldconfig now".
ldconfig
dpkg -iB */perl-base_*.deb */perl_*.deb
# the user can now run dselect and select any -dev packages they want
# (and other packages too, of course :-)
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On Thu, 8 Jan 1998, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 08, 1998 at 09:52:00AM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote:
> > # development because libc5 can't be upgraded to latest without removal
> > # of libc5-dev which also necessitates removal of other -dev packages
> > # like li
s is still mostly untested software. It probably wont completely
destroy your system but I am making no guarrantees at all: USE AT YOUR
OWN RISK.
---cut here---
#! /bin/sh
# safely upgrade a libc5 (bo) machine to libc6 (hamm).
# based on Scott Ellis' excellent "Debian libc5 to libc6 Mi
On Thu, 8 Jan 1998, Lindsay Allen wrote:
> On Thu, 8 Jan 1998, Craig Sanders wrote:
>
> > dpkg -iB base/perl-base_*.deb interpreters/perl_*.deb
>
> Did you miss the change re perl?
>
> # perl-base must be configured before installing perl
> dpkg -iB */perl-base_*.d
On Fri, 9 Jan 1998, Lindsay Allen wrote:
> Still one problem. /wg-15-locale/s//wg15-locale/
damn. i thought i got that one this morning.
i wont bother posting the script again. it's easy enough to fix.
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On 7 Jan 1998, Kai Henningsen wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Craig Sanders) wrote on 07.01.98 in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> > On 7 Jan 1998, Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote:
> >
> > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > > Craig Sanders <[EMAIL PROTECT
On Fri, 9 Jan 1998 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Some files at llug.sep.bnl.gov/pub/debian/Incoming are stamped on 10 January
> 1998. As I write, nowhere on Earth is it now 10 January.
that just proves how advanced debian is, doesn't it :-)
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On Fri, 9 Jan 1998, Turbo Fredriksson wrote:
> On Fri, 9 Jan 1998, Craig Sanders wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 9 Jan 1998, Lindsay Allen wrote:
> > > Still one problem. /wg-15-locale/s//wg15-locale/
> > damn. i thought i got that one this morning.
> > i wont bother pos
`which ldconfig`
# uncomment for debugging
#set -x
#DPKG="echo dpkg"
#LDCONFIG="echo LDCONFIG"
# upgrade a libc5 (bo) machine to libc6 (hamm).
# based on Scott Ellis' excellent "Debian libc5 to libc6 Mini-HOWTO"
# document at http://www.gate.net/~storm/FAQ/li
Ellis' excellent "Debian libc5 to libc6 Mini-HOWTO"
# document at http://www.gate.net/~storm/FAQ/libc5-libc6-Mini-HOWTO.html
# Author: Craig Sanders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
#
# Copyright Status: This script is hereby placed in the public domain
#
# Revision History:
# v0.0: 1998-
ment at http://www.gate.net/~storm/FAQ/libc5-libc6-Mini-HOWTO.html
# Author: Craig Sanders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
#
# Copyright Status: This script is hereby placed in the public domain
#
# Revision History:
# v0.0: 1998-01-08 (morning)
# - a rough transcript of scott's doc and my own exper
dselect. it does that
quite well. imo, except for bugfixes and maybe polishing the user input
bits it's basically finished.
i ran it earlier tonight on an old rex (or rex++, not quite bo anyway)
system, and it even worked on that.
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mination) then both
KDE and Qt can go into debian main. i hope that this is what will
happen.
if not, then KDE still belongs in contrib.
this is definitely worth investigating, anyway.
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alias >~/.bash-aliases'
alias loadalias='. ~/.bash-aliases'
i create aliases interactively at the shell prompt and run savealias
whenever i have a good new one i want to keep. loadalias is only there
so i can easily load newly created aliases into already running bash
xterms.
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oblem - not installing dpkg
>
>
> which suggests to me that the libstdc++ needs to be added to the list of
> things that are installed before dpkg.
I've just released version 0.24 which fixes this (and a few minor problems
too).
v0.24: 1998-04-21 (Craig Sanders)
- ad
they should already have
in their local mirror.
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> I've just released version 0.24 which fixes this (and a few minor problems
> too).
>
> v0.24: 1998-04-21 (Craig Sanders)
> - added libstdc++, libslang0.99.34 (libc5), libslang0.99.38 (libc6),
>netbase, and netstd to the list of packages to install.
> - changed
gt; Network users should stop wasting bandwidth and use a local machine.
>
> I hope you will give it a priority of "extra", then.
and don't forget these:
Conflicts: Clue
Recommends: dos-weenie-attitude
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the user about it in the postinst script.
the qmail-src package works very nicely (i tried it out on a 'spare'
machine recently - qmail's quite nice...if it wasn't for the license
and attitude problems i'd be quite tempted to switch to it) and the
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> of other similar ones will work correctly as well. I tried to do alot
> to make things happen in a highly predictable and constant order.
yes, i really like apt. i've been using it to upgrade my own systems for
a few weeks now. it works. i've used 'apt-get upgrade'
should submit
their mods to the maintainer, but are not bound by the maintainer's
packaging decisions - the release is their baby, and their word is
final.
3. marketing and market research team. promotion of debian, and
researching user's needs/wants. drafting proposals to
des from monthly snapshot CD, and occasional via ftp for
some urgent fix.
this is just a 'me too' post in disguise. what you wrote says it all,
really.
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ways because you don't have multiple config files scattered across
multiple directories.
sendmail.mc and the sendmailconfig script are mind-bogglingly simple to
use, and will get a working configuration for 99% of cases in a minute
or two.
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doesn't matter....it's a zombie OS (dead as a dodo, but
just doesn't realise it yet).
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does it use RCS or similar to store the previous versions? if not, how
hard would it be to make it do so?
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makes it the best choice for anyone who just wants something that works
"out of the box"
lprng, magicfilter, gs (or gs-aladdin), and enscript : THE printing
suite for linux systems.
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On Tue, 2 Jun 1998, Joel Klecker wrote:
> At 07:40 -0700 1998-06-02, Craig Sanders wrote:
> > BTW, the fact that you don't understand sendmail doesn't prevent
> > others from doing so. sendmail really isn't that difficult, and is
> > simpler in some ways be
building and managing
config files instead of compiling programs)
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On Tue, 25 Jun 1996, Scott Barker wrote:
> Ian Jackson said:
> > We *must* provide a tree which contains only the most rcently
> > bug-fixed versions of everything, and we *must not* require people to
> > download broken packages only to have to download good ones too.
>
> ok. This is important,
On Wed, 24 Jul 1996, Yves Arrouye wrote:
> Package: perl
> Version: 5.003-2
>
> perlconfig (aka h2ph) really wants to make .ph files with Objective C
> headers found under /usr/include... and fails!
>
> Yves.
>
it also runs h2ph in the foreground, when there's no good reason why it
shouldn't
On Thu, 25 Jul 1996, Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote:
Yves Arrouye <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> You (Yves Arrouye) wrote:
> > To anyone that read this message: your suggestions for features you
> > want in the Apache package are welcome.
>
> Perhaps you could put in the SSL patches and make the apache-SL
On Fri, 26 Jul 1996, Behan Webster wrote:
> I've also written the following simple script for one of the machines
> I manage that is used as a multi-homed web site (it has about 6 ip
> addresses right now.) Just give it a list of ip addresses on the
> command line. It's to be used once at boot t
On Thu, 1 Aug 1996, Guy Maor wrote:
> > Christian Hudon writes ("Re: Bug#3795: ae should not be essential"):
> > > Isn't it that some of the packages that look at EDITOR fall back
> > > to ae if there are problems with EDITOR?
>
> vipw and vigr do this. They're in passwd which is essential, but w
On Thu, 1 Aug 1996, Michael Gaertner wrote:
> Package: xbase
> Version: 3.1.2-9
>
> FSSTND R1.2 writes in chap. 5.3.5 to place xdm-errors in
> /var/lib/xdm/. This is not the location xdm-errors get logged by default
> in above package.
>
> Suggestion: change /etc/X11/xdm/xdm-config in line
> "
On 3 Aug 1996, Rob Browning wrote:
> Craig Sanders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > what i will never understand, though, is why people use perl for
> > jobs that sh is much better suited to.
> >
> > perl is great if you want awk/sed/grep/kitchen sink all ro
Package: elvisctags
Version: 2.0-4
/usr/bin/ref is in elviscmn, rather than in elvisctags.
Craig
I compiled squid 1.0.5 last night and made a new package for it, but when
i installed it with dpkg on my system i got a warning message about
"downgrading to earlier version due to --force".
which means that dselect can't be used to upgrade this package because it
won't do the forced "downgrade".
it seems to me that there are two types of "default" file being
discussed here.
The first is default options for executables - i.e. /etc/default. Most
discussion so far has concentrated on this. This will require massive
changes to the system so that binaries know how to use the default
informati
On Tue, 6 Aug 1996, Emilio Lopes wrote:
> >>>>> "CS" == Craig Sanders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> CS> I'd like to see a bourne-like shell with perl-like regexp stuff
> CS> (mainly sed & grep) built in - i'd switch to that in a
On Wed, 14 Aug 1996, Andrew Howell wrote:
> Support writes:
> > Package: samba
> > Version: 1.9.16alpha10-1
> >
> > When left unattended, the smbd daemon (or several instances of
> > such) seems to go into some sort of busy look that eats up all of
> > the processor time of the computer. This se
sorry to take so long to reply to this...i've been too busy at work to
even check my mailing lists.
On 8 Aug 1996, Kai Henningsen wrote:
> > discussion so far has concentrated on this. This will require
> > massive changes to the system so that binaries know how to use the
> > default
>
> I'd re
On Thu, 8 Aug 1996, Chris Fearnley wrote:
> Previously, I have tested mawk on the base disks and had no trouble.
> But I recommend that others try this --- just to make sure. Any
> suggestions on what we should do with the extra 300K on the base
> disks?
888 888 888888 888 888
888
On Sat, 28 Sep 1996, Christian Hudon wrote:
> I'm the new maintainer for lynx... having just lynx 2.6, I'm currently
> cleaning out its bug reports. Since I'm not using a proxy server, I
> can't know it the new version fixes your problem with lynx -dump.
> So you you please try out whatever you d
be used
in this situation.
the individual dotfile-modules should Depend upon dotfile but except
for the initial install of dotfile, i can't see much benefit at all in
having dotfile Suggest dotfile-module.
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i personally would find the anarchist
faq far more useful and interesting than (a bad translation of)
religious texts.
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ed for deciding whether to include a
package in debian or not. at most, it is a tool for *helping* to order
packages on a CD (and even that is of limited use because it mostly
shows the popularity of old packages in the last release but not new
ones in the current unstable).
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ot bother with the extra CDs.
actually, it would increase the scope of debian as a general purpose
distribution - there would be something in it for everyone.
if we get to the point of having specialty CDs then those who want them
will be able to purchase them from specialty vendors or download the
packages for free from the net.
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on everyone else.
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On Mon, Sep 27, 1999 at 11:46:19AM +0200, Siggy Brentrup wrote:
> Craig Sanders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > it's irrelevant whether other debian developers or users agree with me
> > or disagree with me about the relative utility of these two packages.
> &g
On Mon, Sep 27, 1999 at 03:21:34AM -0400, Raul Miller wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 27, 1999 at 01:05:58PM +1000, Craig Sanders wrote:
> > then don't install those services. installing a package *IS* an explicit
> > OK.
>
> You're saying that packages reliably say when th
no way of satisfying both parties
at once - mutually exclusive needs) so it's a pretty easy choice to
make...cause the minimum harm/hassle/inconvenience.
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cause i don't want pre-selections".
that option is to not run the pre-selection script, to jump straight
into dselect. it's the option i always choose when building systems
because i prefer to select all packages.
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;m against changing the default so that it only suits a tiny minority.
i'm not against increasing choice.
the default should remain as is, though - those who want it different
should be the ones who have to take whatever action with debconf.
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figuration of a daemon
is a security problem then that config should be fixed or the package
dropped from the distribution.
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it's a matter of personal preference.
enabling daemons when they are installed is not a security problem.
it's damned annoying to see people trying to force their personal
preferences on everyone else by making loud noises about trumped up
nebulous and vague "security" issues. it would be nicer if such FUD were
left behind in the proprietary software world.
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rface setup on RH and you'll know what
i mean - you can't do it...actually, you can if you spend enough time
figuring out their setup but you risk that your custom mods will be
blown away the next time someone runs the stupid GUI configurator).
debian's attitude is: if you want something different, DIY. and more
importantly, it lets you DIY.
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get in the way of DIY. RH is one. sun's Netra is another...both are
examples of how NOT to do configuration management on unix.
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ome deliberate action on the user's part
before they get these annoying questions.
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n of DIY at all, it makes it easier...especially if you
like to compile your kernels on your fastest machine and then ship them
out with scp to wherever they are needed.
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On Thu, Sep 30, 1999 at 08:34:48AM -0400, Raul Miller wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 30, 1999 at 02:16:31PM +1000, Craig Sanders wrote:
> > to paraphrase: i am against messing with the current default. i am not
> > against (indeed, i am in favour of) increasing choice.
>
> There is
nning vtund until the user has
configured it to meet their needs.
other daemons, e.g. pop and imap, work with little or no configuration -
install them and they start working immediately. it is useful to enable
them at install time.
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On Thu, Sep 30, 1999 at 07:02:44AM -0400, Michael Stone wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 30, 1999 at 08:05:32AM +1000, Craig Sanders wrote:
> > sorry, it's you who needs to wake up to the real world.
> >
> > if people don't know how to administer a unix machine then they ne
hread which is
explicable only by you not having read it.
no regards,
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it is no problem at all.
what this means is that if there is a great desire to have several pop
packages installed at once, then it is up to the maintainers of the pop
packages (and other interested parties) to come up with a way that can
be achieved without hassle, and without imposing stupid and onerous
burdens on the maintainers of unrelated packages.
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that way here, it's not who you work for that's important, it's what
you've done.
> It is my hope that Craig Sanders reads this and thinks about what he
> has done and why.
very little of what i write is done without review an
berate" isn't the first that occurs to me.
if you can't comprehend that someone might deliberately choose those
words, then that is your problem not mine. such paucity of imagination
is truly sad.
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case,
i thought spelling it out was necessary.
> or at least see that stabbing at people isn't productive.
if it makes fools quit their yapping then it can be highly productive.
this "discussion" is a waste of time.
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dpkg's question about replacing /etc/init.d/postgresql.
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grep "^PACKAGENAME " override.potato
will do the job, and is probably significantly faster than an awk
script.
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encumbered by a patent problem in the world's favourite police state.
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PS: the RSA patent expires in 2001 (or is it 2002?), anyway.
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as they get home from work or sit down to dinner can say "PUT ME ON
YOUR DO-NOT-CALL LIST IMMEDIATELY!". write the software so that it is
trivially easy for the telemarketer to add numbers to that list.
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On Sat, Oct 02, 1999 at 10:50:06PM -0500, Chris Lawrence wrote:
> On Oct 03, Craig Sanders wrote:
> > IMO, this is morally akin to writing free software specifically to make
> > spamming cheaper and easier.
>
> No, it isn't. Survey research is an important part of th
On Mon, Oct 04, 1999 at 01:02:55AM +0200, Marcus Brinkmann wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 04, 1999 at 08:13:02AM +1000, Craig Sanders wrote:
> > even opt-out lists are the wrong solution...because they don't work very
> > well (especially when usage of them is optional). telephone
On Sun, Oct 03, 1999 at 07:29:15PM -0400, Raul Miller wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 04, 1999 at 08:13:02AM +1000, Craig Sanders wrote:
> > it may be an important tool, but that doesn't give you or anyone else
> > the right to pester people in their own homes. it really does no good
>
at not using it would be
unethical, but i certainly agree that this usage IS an ethical and
appropriate use of this kind of software.
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craig sanders
ret holy code should be available to non-genuine seekers of
truth, and to seekers of falsehood (genuine or not) too.
god told me to write this so you better believe it.
craig
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craig sanders
f this is to take advantage of our biggest advantage
- if you compare "unstable" with any of the other dists (commercial or
otherwise), then we are way ahead of them for most programs/packages.
the perception that debian is behind is only true for those stuck with
stable.
craig
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craig sanders
ian "unstable" - many of us
are willing to risk our important systems to it.
rather than seeing that as a problem, we should be working to take
advantage of "unstable"'s stability and quality.
craig
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craig sanders
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