On Sun, Jul 15, 2007, Steve Langasek wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 15, 2007 at 09:56:42PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> > The way Debian works is that developers have the final word on what
> > happens in their packages.
>
> No, the way Debian works is that we have this little thing called Policy
> that
> Panorama Tools was originally created by Professor Helmut Dersch of the
> University of Applied Sciences Furtwangen. Professor Dersch's site no
> longer has links to download the tools, which is why this panotools
> sourceforge project exists.
I remember vaguely that there were some copyrig
On Mon, 16 Jul 2007, Sam Hocevar wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 15, 2007, Steve Langasek wrote:
> > On Sun, Jul 15, 2007 at 09:56:42PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> > > The way Debian works is that developers have the final word on what
> > > happens in their packages.
> >
> > No, the way Debian works is
So it seems like we should do the following:
1. Make changes to the menu system to use .desktop files in preference
to .menu files when they exist
2. Generate .desktop files from .menu files using the menu system when
.desktop files don't exist.
3. Continue using the menu system for window manag
Don Armstrong debian.org> writes:
>
> We can certainly attempt to do so; I don't think anyone in this thread
> is contemplanting knowingly causing audacious's upstream harm.
>
I agree, in fact, I don't think Debian would handle such a migration
in the way that Gentoo handled it. I'm just bringi
Josselin Mouette debian.org> writes:
>
> I think what they don't want is
> [4] Replace XMMS by a metapackage that installs Audacious in place
>
This is exactly what we want, as that will cause problems for us.
William
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Steve Greenland moregruel.net> writes:
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> On 14-Jul-07, 16:48 (CDT), William Pitcock sacredspiral.co.uk>
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> > My issue is that I find it patently offensive that people attack my work
> > simply because they wish to regain XMMS in their distribution. Maybe
> > I am wrong in thinking that
William Pitcock sacredspiral.co.uk> writes:
>
> Josselin Mouette debian.org> writes:
>
> >
> > I think what they don't want is
> > [4] Replace XMMS by a metapackage that installs Audacious in place
> >
>
Err to clarify, not doing [4] is exactly what we want. Sorry if anyone
got confused.
Eduard Bloch gmx.de> writes:
> I disagree. As said, I dislike a simple player touching every file for no
> good reason, and I do not consider "codec detection" a such one. There
> is simply no important information you would gather from that. Validity
> of the file and the length are only interes
On Sun, Jul 15, 2007 at 02:11:55PM +0100, Neil Williams wrote:
> On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 14:36:47 +0200
> Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Le vendredi 13 juillet 2007 à 18:34 -0400, Joey Hess a écrit :
> > > > I can't find anything in the Debian menu which is neither already in the
> > >
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On Sun, 15 Jul 2007, Josselin Mouette wrote:
I'm opposed to people who drink the GNOME koolaid and call it "usability".
Call it like you want. We call it usability, and it looks incompatible
with what a number of developers expect from the menu system.
I don't think that there is something l
Andreas Tille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Sun, 15 Jul 2007, Josselin Mouette wrote:
>> As a consequence, this will duplicate the work, but I think we should
>> add .desktop entries to packages, especially games, that don't have one
>> and deserve it.
> What do you mean with "deserve it"? Co
* Sam Hocevar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070716 12:15]:
> On Sun, Jul 15, 2007, Steve Langasek wrote:
> > On Sun, Jul 15, 2007 at 09:56:42PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> > > The way Debian works is that developers have the final word on what
> > > happens in their packages.
> >
> > No, the way Debia
On 13-Jul-07, 19:26 (CDT), Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Le vendredi 13 juillet 2007 ? 17:16 -0700, Steve Langasek a ?crit :
> > > Oh my. Do you mean that in the 90 window managers shipped in Debian,
> > > none of them is suitable for all your needs and that you have to use
> > > *
On 15-Jul-07, 07:17 (CDT), Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The fact this is the best way to implement this feature doesn't make it
> less frivolous.
>
> >
> > How about next suggesting to remove all modules for hardware less than
> > 10% of users have? That would help much to not c
On 15-Jul-07, 14:17 (CDT), Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Le dimanche 15 juillet 2007 ? 11:24 -0500, Manoj Srivastava a ?crit :
> > This sounds fairly combative; and it also begins to sound
> > divisive (the GNOME people, keepers of usability, vs all the useless
> > users
On 15-Jul-07, 15:18 (CDT), Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Le dimanche 15 juillet 2007 ? 13:07 -0700, Steve Langasek a ?crit :
> > No, the way Debian works is that we have this little thing called Policy
> > that's intended to ensure consistency between packages in the distribution
>
Le lundi 16 juillet 2007 à 12:32 -0500, Steve Greenland a écrit :
> > Kernel modules don't clutter the user interface.
>
> But all those KDE packages clutter my usage of aptitude. So do the
> windowmaker packages. And all those damn perl packages.
Nothing to do with the user interface (which in t
On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 04:12:02 -0700
Don Armstrong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So it seems like we should do the following:
>
> 1. Make changes to the menu system to use .desktop files in preference
> to .menu files when they exist
>
> 2. Generate .desktop files from .menu files using the menu sy
Le lundi 16 juillet 2007 à 12:25 -0500, Steve Greenland a écrit :
> So I can try a new window manager without restarting my xsession.
Does your job include daily window manager testing?
> So J. Random User can easily see what window managers are available.
Some of the users we target don't even
Le lundi 16 juillet 2007 à 16:08 +0200, Wouter Verhelst a écrit :
> The debian menu hierarchy has just been revised, and a new menu policy
> has been active since a few weeks.
The new hierarchy doesn't fix any of the issues that were raised.
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Le lundi 16 juillet 2007 à 12:47 -0500, Steve Greenland a écrit :
> Why do you think that would happen? None of the people here have
> suggested that. You, on the other hand, have suggested that the Debian
> menu system be trashed in favor the GNOME menu system.
No. I have suggested that both syst
On Fri, Jul 13, 2007 at 10:10:09PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
> Josselin Mouette wrote:
> > We can use additional keywords in the desktop entries to get them sorted
> > in sub-menus when appropriate, but many desktop files are not tagged
> > correctly. As you can see in the specification [0], all cate
Le lundi 16 juillet 2007 à 12:45 -0500, Steve Greenland a écrit :
> The problem is your idea of "more usable" is, to me, "remove valuable
> functionality".
Yes. Improving usability requires removing or reworking functionality
exposure. This is a trade-off between not being able to do something
be
On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 18:16:49 -0600
Bruce Sass <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Why not drop the Debian Menu Policy completely? The only sane
> > > argument against .desktop is hierarchy support but then the most
> > > pertinent complaint against menu is that the hierarchy is wasteful.
> >
> > The
On Mon, Jul 16, 2007 at 04:12:02AM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote:
> So it seems like we should do the following:
(...)
4. Add i18n support to menu so that it can generate localised menu names,
entries and tooltips both when converting desktop -> menu (for WM !=
KDE/GNOME/Xfce) and when converti
Le lundi 16 juillet 2007 à 20:01 +0200, Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña a
écrit :
> Check this:
> $ find . -name "*desktop" -exec egrep "Categories.*Game.*" \{\} \; | wc -l
> 54
>
> I get all these 54 items in GNOME's Game menu with no category division.
> And, both GNOME *and* KDE *and* Desktop-
On Monday 16 July 2007 20:44, Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña wrote:
> There are some typos there too ('GameAction', 'ActionGame') which I'm
> going to file bugs now.
The use of plurals for both seems to be a bug too, looking at other
categories.
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On Mon, Jul 16, 2007 at 08:09:28PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Le lundi 16 juillet 2007 à 20:01 +0200, Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña a
> écrit :
> > Check this:
> > $ find . -name "*desktop" -exec egrep "Categories.*Game.*" \{\} \; | wc -l
> > 54
> >
> > I get all these 54 items in GNOME's
On Mon, 16 Jul 2007, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le lundi 16 juillet 2007 à 12:25 -0500, Steve Greenland a écrit :
So I can try a new window manager without restarting my xsession.
Does your job include daily window manager testing?
Interesting criterion: Daily use of an entry.
H
So
also sprach Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007.07.16.1957 +0200]:
> > So I can try a new window manager without restarting my xsession.
>
> Does your job include daily window manager testing?
Mine is, full-time. Stop being destructive.
> > So J. Random User can easily see what window ma
Neil Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I like Don's idea - remove the Debian menu from those window managers
> etc. that understand .desktop files and make the Debian menu aware
> of .desktop files for those other systems.
Oh, please not. Everytime I try a "desktop environment", I end up usi
Frank Küster wrote:
> Neil Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> I like Don's idea - remove the Debian menu from those window managers
>> etc. that understand .desktop files and make the Debian menu aware
>> of .desktop files for those other systems.
>
> Oh, please not. Everytime I try a "des
On Mon July 16 2007 12:03:17 pm Neil Williams wrote:
> On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 18:16:49 -0600
> Bruce Sass <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I like Don's idea - remove the Debian menu from those window managers
> etc. that understand .desktop files and make the Debian menu aware
> of .desktop files for thos
Hi,
Le lundi 16 juillet 2007, Bernd Zeimetz a écrit :
>
> > Panorama Tools was originally created by Professor Helmut Dersch of the
> > University of Applied Sciences Furtwangen. Professor Dersch's site no
> > longer has links to download the tools, which is why this panotools
> > sourceforge
On 16-Jul-07, 12:57 (CDT), Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Le lundi 16 juillet 2007 ? 12:25 -0500, Steve Greenland a ?crit :
> > So I can try a new window manager without restarting my xsession.
>
> Does your job include daily window manager testing?
No. But anything I use daily g
On Mon, Jul 16, 2007 at 08:54:47PM +0200, Frans Pop wrote:
> On Monday 16 July 2007 20:44, Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña wrote:
> > There are some typos there too ('GameAction', 'ActionGame') which I'm
> > going to file bugs now.
>
> The use of plurals for both seems to be a bug too, looking at o
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> In the meantime, it needs to either know rather too much about the
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Michael Biebl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Frank Küster wrote:
>> Neil Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>> I like Don's idea - remove the Debian menu from those window managers
>>> etc. that understand .desktop files and make the Debian menu aware
>>> of .desktop files for those other syst
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