The scripters should subscribe to the NVDA dev list not to the NVDA list. Obrigado, Marlon Brandão de Sousa
> Em 30 de mai de 2017, às 19:39, Tom Kingston via Scripting > <[email protected]> escreveu: > >> On 5/30/2017 4:38 PM, Dennis Long via Scripting wrote: >> I agree it's far fewer than 22 files. > > Then count these files, which is what's included in the download. > HSCRemoteServerFetch.jsb > HSCRemoteServerFetch.jsd > hsc_msaa.jsh > msaa.jsh > reaper.jbs > reaper.jcf > reaper.jkm > reaper.jsb > reaper.jsd > reaper.jsm > reaper.JSS > reaper.sil > reaper_host32.JCF > reaper_host32.jsb > reaper_host32.JSS > reaper_host64.JCF > reaper_host64.jsb > reaper_host64.JSS > snow_MSAA.jcf > snow_MSAA.jsb > snow_MSAA.jsd > snow_MSAA.jss > >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Scripting >> [mailto:[email protected]] On >> Behalf Of Doug Lee via Scripting >> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 4:32 PM >> To: Tom Kingston; Window-Eyes Scripting List >> Subject: Re: migrating apps >> >> Speaking as a professional JAWS scripter, I admit I'm surprised to hear you >> needed 22 files for what sounds like a simple script. Typically you would >> have these: >> >> - A jss file, which compiles to a jsb file, for the code itself. We'll count >> that as two. You type your code into the jss file and the JAWS Script >> Manager makes the jsb file when you compile it. >> - A jsd file for the help text for the scripts. Handled automatically by the >> JAWS Script Manager in many cases. >> - A jkm file for key mappings. Handled automatically by the Script Manager >> in many cases. >> >> You may also include a jcf file for configuration options and/or a jdf file >> for dictionary entries, though I doubt your script set for Window-Eyes had >> the latter. If you want to name graphic icons, you could use a jgf file. >> Frames, though rarely used these days, would involve a jff and a jfd file; >> but again, I doubt those would be involved in your project. >> >> I'm still a ways from 22. :-) >> >> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 04:20:46PM -0400, Tom Kingston via Scripting wrote: >> JAWS scripting is a proprietary mish mash of this that the other and his >> brother. So there's no such thing as real world resources such as with >> Python. >> I wrote the Window-Eyes script for Reaper and was then surprised to find >> that the JAWS script was not locked up. So I downloaded it and took a quick >> look. I couldn't believe that what I did in one small VBS file, an XML file, >> a set file, and a we file required 22 files to be done in JAWS. >> Needless to say, I have no interest in learning a proprietary scripting >> method. And I suspect it will probably seem nonsensical to a real >> programmer's mind. But that's just speculation. It comes from an experience >> years ago when a friend of mine wanted to learn JAWS scripting. Knowing >> nothing about it I assumed that at least the common denominators of >> virtually all programming languages would apply. Boy was I wrong. My >> understanding is that it has become at least somewhat more conventional. But >> unless all else fails it's not a mess I wish to drown in. >> Regards, >> Tom >> >> >>> On 5/30/2017 10:54 AM, Dennis Long via Scripting wrote: >>> What about scripting for Jaws? >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Scripting >>> [mailto:[email protected]] >>> On Behalf Of Jonathan Cohn via Scripting >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 10:53 AM >>> To: Chip Orange; Window-Eyes Scripting List >>> Subject: Re: migrating apps >>> >>> Mr Lee of NVAccess / NVDA proposed on twitter yesterday having a one >>> day class on scripting NVDA. I guess it is time to learn Python. >>> Anybody interested in doing a set of regular discussions like Chip did >>> way back to migrate our common knowledge into NVDA scripting >>> knowledge? I wonder how difficult it would be to have an NVDA that >>> emulates the favorite parts of WindowEyes. I expect the hardest part >>> considering that NVDA doesn't appear to have a virtual mode would be >>> the User Windows functions but then it seems that WindowEyes wasn't >> supporting that very aggressively. >>> >>> Best Wishes, >>> >>> Jonathan Cohn >>> >>> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 7:01 PM Chip Orange via Scripting < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi David, >>>> >>>> You could look at the possibility of running your app as a Windows >>>> VBScript rather than a Window-Eyes VBScript. You'd have to do >>>> without the WE dialogs and all the other WE features of scripting >>>> which we all used, but if you don't make use of these features very >>>> much, you might be able to get a Windows VBScript version to run. >>>> If you could, this would be the easiest way to get some apps converted >> away from WE. >>>> >>>> VBScript does have some very basic input and output commands (you >>>> can display a dialog and get a string response from the user), this >>>> could possibly be enough for your needs. It has no equivalents to >>>> MSAA or Windows etc., so nothing which assisted you with >>>> accessibility is likely to run. >>>> >>>> Of course, Window-Eyes will continue to run for some indefinite >>>> amount of time ... and I'd be glad to share the source code to >>>> Remind Me Where with anyone who'd like to try tinkering with it while it >> does. >>>> If you wanted to keep something big like it is running, I would >>>> guess learning VB.net might be the closest to what you're used to. >>>> >>>> Like Richard, I feel something like the end of Animal Farm as well. >>>> >>>> Take care, >>>> >>>> Chip >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Scripting >>>> [mailto:[email protected] >>>> m] >>>> On Behalf Of David via Scripting >>>> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:49 AM >>>> To: Aaron Smith; Window-Eyes Scripting List >>>> Subject: migrating apps >>>> >>>> I do understand that an app that has been developed under the great >>>> scripting capability of WineEyes, will not be possible to simply >>>> plug in under Jaws. At least, it is my understanding, that Jaws has >>>> its own dedicated scripting system. >>>> >>>> Still, a number of apps, both officially released and many that I >>>> have developed for my personal usage, would be a great miss when >> migrating. >>>> Whenever the migrating will be. Smile. >>>> >>>> Now, is there a way for me, to make my apps become stand-alone, in >>>> the sense that they could be run under any screen reader? That they >>>> still would be using features like the UI capabilities and other >>>> functionality of for instance GWToolkit? I do understand, that apps >>>> that make great usage of, or directly works with internal features >>>> of WinEyes, may not be possible to run under any other screen >>>> readers, since they won't have any functionality to hook on to. But >>>> an app like for instance the "remind me where", that Chip Orange >>>> developed, and which base its main functionality on information from >>>> the net, and greatly on the UI environment of WinEyes scripting, >>>> sould such a program be possible to make go general? Sure I could >>>> have thought of a good number of other apps that I have come to rely >>>> on, and which would have been great to see under other screen readers. >>>> >>>> Guess my basic question is, what would I need to do in my app code, >>>> to make it possible to run outside the WinEyes environment, if that >>>> is at all possible? 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