Well, what I mean by fresh install is this. We chose custom and selected
the following things:
Classic X windows
X Windows
GNOME
KDE
Network Support
Windows File Server
EMacs
Utilities
Software Development
Kernal Development

Does one of these install iptables? That's the only explanation I have
for how it got installed. We certainly didn't add it after the fact.

I will look at lsmod and see what it shows.

Thanks,
James


On Thu, 2002-11-21 at 09:02, Michael Schwendt wrote:
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> On 21 Nov 2002 08:18:52 -0500, James Pifer wrote:
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> > When I tried the "modprobe -r ip_tables" it gave me an error that the
> > device was busy.
> 
> This is because you provided not enough information about your
> system which you claim would be a fresh install. Red Hat Linux 7.3,
> however, is based on ipchains. Its firewall tools use ipchains. If
> on your system the ip_tables kernel module and probably additional
> netfilter modules are loaded, that means, you have modified Red Hat
> Linux 7.3 and configured it to load modules which you may need to
> remove manually. You can run "lsmod" and remove them with "rmmod" or
> "modprobe -r", but that can be tricky when they depend on eachother.
> 
> > The previous two commands seemed to work ok. 
> 
> Once you would execute the next two commands, that would enable
> ipchains and a reboot would solve your problem with the iptables
> modules. Alternatively, use the "lsmod" way of finding out which
> modules you need to remove.
> 
> > If I use iptables, should I remove ipchains completely? Right now the
> > firewall is stuck on "High" and I can't change it. 
> 
> This doesn't make sense. See above. The firewall (which one?) of Red
> Hat Linux 7.3 is based on ipchains, but you have the ip_tables
> kernel module loaded. Something's wrong at your end. Only you can
> tell what you've done.
> 
> > Can I uninstall ipchains, by removing the rpm? Will that do it?
> 
> That would remove the ipchains userspace tools.
> 
> > How do I then open it up so there is no firewall? Isn't there a few
> > iptables command to flush the rules or something?
> 
> This doesn't make sense either. ipchains OR iptables? iptables
> cannot flush ipchains rules and vice versa. They cannot coexist.
> 
> > Then I can work on closing it back up again using the other tools you
> > suggested.
> 
> That's solely your decision. Netfilter (aka iptables) is superior,
> but Red Hat's tools for Red Hat Linux 7.x use the older ipchains.
> 
> > > Try this sequence as "root" user:
> > > 
> > >   # service iptables stop
> > >   # chkconfig iptables off
> > >   (at this point hope that you don't have many iptables modules
> > >   loaded)
> > >   # modprobe -r ip_tables
> > >   # chkconfig ipchains on
> > >   # service ipchains start
> 
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