Hi Thierry,

On Tue, Mar 12, 2002 at 02:22:28PM +0000, Thierry ITTY wrote:
> I have the opportunity to be given some sun sparc station 5
> 
> I know it is possible to run linux on them, it might be interesting
> on the other hand, I've been told those machines compare to Pentium 75 or 90
> so the question is : is it worst installing linux on them, as servers ? as
> workstations ? as enhanced X terminals ?

First of all, it's important to find out which *type* of SparcStation 5
you've got there. Basically, there are four: A 70MHz, an 85MHz, a 110MHz and
a 170MHz variant. The latter is using a slightly different CPU[0], which
causes problems with Linux. For example, you cannot install RHL 6.2 out of
the box on a SS5/170 (however, it does *run* on that machine, albeit not
100% stable). Also, as you can imagine, there are differences in speed.

I have a SS5/170 at home, running Linux. As mentioned, RHL 6.2 could not be
installed. I ended up installing Mandrake 7.1b instead[1] (Debian or SuSE might
be another option, but I haven't tried either of them on this machine - they
might also be more up to date than RHL 6.2). It was working, but not too
reliably - not something I'd use for a server.
Later, I moved that Mandrake 7.1b installation to RHL 6.2 [2], then upgraded
to Aurora 0.2 [3]. As for speed, I'd say the comparison with a P75 or P90 is
probably correct, however, in my experience, the Sparc seems to cope better
under load than an equivalent P75/P90 [4]. For lightweight sever use, they
should be absolutely fine, especially the 110MHz and the 170MHz version. As
a comparison: I have a SparcStation LX (which has less power) running as
firewall/NAT/dial-up "server" and it's doing nicely (though it's running
OpenBSD).
As workstations, they're probably a bit slow - one of the main problems would
be graphics (most of them only have an 8bit frame buffer, 24bit ones exist,
but are hard to come by). As X Terminal, I'd expect them to be fine.

Also, make sure you have enough RAM in them - SS5 RAM is not exactly cheap.
And you have to keep in mind that the internal disks are 80pin SCA connector
Fast SCSI - again, not quite that easy (or at least cheap) to get. You can,
however, also use external SCSI drives.


For more information about the SS5:

http://www.obsolyte.com/sun_ss5/

(http://www.obsolyte.com/ is a great starting point for information about
them olde Suns, besides Sun's own pages).

Also, have a look at the FAQs at that page and of course the
SPARC Linux FAQ: http://www.ultralinux.org/faq.html

And, last but not least: There's also a Red Hat-hosted mailing list
specific to RHL on Sparc... :-)

Cheerio,

Thomas

P.S.: And of course, there's always OpenBSD [5] or Solaris, if you decide not to
      run Linux on that box...


[0] "TurboSPARC" instead of "SuperSPARC"
[1] Debian or SuSE might be another option, but I haven't tried either of
    them on this machine - they might also be more up to date than RHL 6.2
[2] yep, manually. It *is* possible, but not recommended for the faint at
    heart - or those that have anything to loose...
[3] An effort of a small volunteer group to port RHL 7.2 to SPARC - see
    http://aurora.linuxpower.org/
[4] Just my observation - nothing scientific, I'm afraid
[5] My second SS5/170 runs OpenBSD 3.0
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