Jason Costomiris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> On Fri, Nov 23, 2001 at 03:14:47PM -0800, Harry Putnam wrote:
> : > Doesn't that street intersect "I can't draw a picture Lane"?  Or is that
> : > one near "Howtos?  Bah. Road"?
> : 
> : `Networking is confusing regardless of man or howto Blvd'
> : 
> : Which is near:
> : `Only real networking gurus are not mystified by it Place'
>
> I must beg to differ.  This isn't rocket science.  I wasn't born with 

When did rocket science become equal to confusing.  All I said is that
it is confusing.

> my knowledge of networking.  So many people act as if this is some sort
> of "black art" - it's not.  In my experience, those who decry networking
> as "impossible", or "utterly confusing" are those who won't spend the time
> to read about what it is they're trying to do.

I think you've just described my meaning of a `guru'. I.E someone
willing to pound the documentation as an entertainment activity.

Was that decry made somewhere in these posts? Has `black art' loomed
large in Bens' discussion? Or are you having to invent things here, in
order to assume your RTFM stance?

> Honestly, would you set out to build a house without first drawing up
> building plans, followed by whatever research you would need to do in order
> to complete your house?  Of course you would.  Why then do you try to create
> network without mapping out your plan and doing your homework *BEFORE* you
> start?

Absolutely.  If the need arose. People have been doing it for centuries,
even millenium.  Consider there was once a time when there were no
HOWTOS on home building.

I was once a wood working hobbyist.  I didn't spend much time studying
the tecnical biology of wood. I experimented, tried things and did
some reading.  I turned out many half-assed creations and at some
point with enough experience they began to look a little nicer. I
think the experimentation was the key factor.

> It's much easier to help someone who's actively trying to be helped,
> rather than someone who simply asks for a "magic answer".

>From what I've seen of this thread, Ben has shown a complete
willingness to listen to advice, try remedies, read etc.  In fact,
possibly too willing to try things.  I've seen no request for a `magic
answer'. 

I understand your position about RTFM, and there is no substitute for
it, but the hallmark of Linux hackers has always been
experimentation. I'm suggesting that characterizing Bens attempts here
as you have does not reflect the actual content of this thread.

Maybe some laxity has crept into your own reading habits.



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