At 04:10 PM 1/8/2001 -0500, you wrote:
>Reply in parts - see below
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: linda hanigan [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>> Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 3:53 PM
>> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Subject:      Suggestions for school
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> Our parish school has 24 computers in their computer room and  maybe 20
>> computers in the teachers
>> classrooms most of which are networked together. Right
>> now they don't have any servers, and I my understanding
>> is they are not connected to the internet. From what my
>> 5th grader tells me they have bought corel's wordperfect
>> family pac and have a bunch of games. They of course
>> have almost no money. I got into a discussion
>> with the computer teacher about the linux intranet I had
>> set up at work for our small business and he was very
>> interested in the possiblities of using Linux for servers
>> and maybe some other functions. He is really tired of
>> Windows crashing.  What would be reasonable
>> requirements for the following machines:
>> A machine that would act as a firewall that they could
>> use to access the internet?
>> A mailserver,
>> A Printserver,
>> A fileserver - using samba to connect to windows
>> machines?
>        [Burke, Thomas G.]  I do all of the above on a single PIII-450,
>128MB RAM, 10(?)G HD

I've done all of the above  on a k6/233 and a k6-2/300

>> What would they need if they wanted to create their own
>> intranet where the older kids could create web pages
>> and other classes could view them?
>        [Burke, Thomas G.]  Netscape is free for both linux & windows -
>Netscape also has a built-in html editor (not the best, I'll admit). 

Don't forget Mozilla

> By
>using samba to map the network drive to the user, each kid could have
>his/her own directory with his htmlk files there, & they would be accessible
>from the main web page with just a link pointing them to the right place.
>Remember, html files must be chmod +rx to be accessed.

NO! do not set the html file to +x. The correct perms are u+rw for user, maybe for 
group if you want them group editable, and o+r  for world-readable. However please 
note that the directories (not the .html file, just the dirs they're in) do need ugo+x 
because otherwise apache can't cd into the dir (+x on dirs allows cd'ing)


>> Is there a free program that would allow them to logon
>> to a linux machine from the window machines so the
>> older kids that were interested could learn some basic
>> programing? and what hardware would you need to have
>> a whole class logged on working with the compiler so it
>> would not be too slow?
>        [Burke, Thomas G.]  I find TeraTerm to be the most wonderful program
>in the world for this (and other) kinds of stuff...  Set up ssh on the
>server & get the ssh extensions, & you have a secure network at the same
>time.  My experience is that you will rarely have more than 1 or 2 people
>running compiles at the same time, so nless they are _REALLY_ big jobs, you
>will never know thie diff with a 450MHz machine...  (I run kernel compiles
>in about 5 minutes or less with mine).

Sssh is great however I belive TerraTerm isn't free. use putty instead for now (it's 
free) it only does ssh 1 though atm. However OpenSSH has SSH1 backwards compatibility. 
There's a Java ssh term called MindTerm that will be stabilized soon we hope. The 
benefit of that is that it runs over a browser, so all you have to do is install one 
copy of it on the linux box and give the kids a URL to it (rather then installing 
putty or TerraTerm on each box). Not sure what the license on it will be though (they 
haven't decided yet).

Also, you can completely avoid ssh if you want to by using telnet, which is installed 
on windows by default. Please note, however, that telnet is hideously insecure - a big 
factor if you're on the Wide Open Net (of if any of the students have a penchant for 
password sniffing). SSH is definantly.


>> I know what it takes for 4 or 5 computers but I have no
>> idea what you need for something this big. I also don't
>> have any experience with firewalls and the internet,
>> although I have been trying to make time to play
>> with this at home. Sorry this is such a long post
>        [Burke, Thomas G.]  My firewall script is available at
>http://tomii.erols.com/firewall.txt
>        Plagiarise it to your heart's content :)
>
>>                       Thanks
>>                       Linda Hanigan
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Cedar Creek Software
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Central Texas IT
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