On Mon, 10 Jan 2000, Gordon Messmer wrote:

> Charles Galpin wrote:
> 
> > Can you also explain what you mean about netscape. I don't use it's client
> > much. How do things like outlook express like maildirs?
> 
> The clients don't have any idea the mail is stored in a Maildir.  That's
> the server's job.  To the client, it's an IMAP folder.  courier supports
> nested folders, so that's a big plus.

sorry, I meant to say courier-imap, not maildirs. But that's nice to know
about nested folders - I'd like that a lot.

> 
> Both netscape and outlook express are terrible IMAP clients.  Netscape
> often requests message id -1, which is totally invalid, and courier
> rejects that.  Netscape then dies, and will no longer retrieve new
> headers from courier-imap.
> 
> Outlook Express doesn't have that problem, but in order to add a folder,
> you have to do the normal "add folder" routine.  Then you have to
> refresh your folder list, and then manually resubscribe to _EACH AND
> EVERY ONE_ of your folders.
> 
> Netscape's problem could be averted if courier just ignored -1, and made
> all invalid input valid through a simple conversion ( if(id < 0) id = 0;
> ).  If I get time, I may make such a modification myself.  Outlook's
> problem, however, has nothing at all to do with courier-imap, it's just
> that Outlook Express sucks.

Well, to be quite honest I currently just use pine locally (not
imap) right now more than anything else. I occasionally use outlook from
work, and occasionally use a clinet called EXP2000.  I think I'll add this
to my long todo list, and maybe one day I'll switch. (I'm sure your patch
will be in by then :) )

thanks
charles


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