Gordon Messmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>> Maybe they can run DHCP for
>> their entire network on 1 server with 1 IP address since there's no
>> physical separation anyhow.

>They could run DHCP like that, but the Linux box wouldn't be able to
>speak one of those subnets without a route to them, which there normally
>won't be without the aliased IP.  That subnet would have trouble talking
>back, and the subnets can't talk to each other (even on the same
>physical segment) over TCP/IP.

I'm wondering if they have configured their router to forward broadcast
traffic across the subnets somehow.  Again, I don't know much about their
router configuration.

>> For those PC's that should always be on a
>> specific subnet, they could use a host/MAC mapping which is what I do on my
>> network.  Takes a little work to collect the MAC addresses from arp, but
>> once it's working it doesn't take much upkeep.

>Correct.  Why are they subnetted anyway?

Beats the h*ll out of me.  Partly to provide "security" of some kind
(although I don't know what), or so I'm told.  Partly because they needed
to divide up their class B across several WAN links and partly because I
think whoever setup their network originally didn't *exactly* know what
they were doing.  I think I'd have divided up the class B a little
differently, but hey, it's not my network...

>> That's kind of what I was wondering about.  Fortunately, the aliased IP
>> address serves no other purpose than DHCP - and since DHCP is a broadcast
>> type service instead of source/destination (as you mentioned), I'm
>> wondering if the alias is needed at all.

>That depends.  I pointed out why above.  Exactly what functions does the
>Linux box serve?

The aliased IP provides only DHCP - nothing else.  I *think* when all is
said and done the box will provide DHCP and DNS only.

>> The only thing I do know about their router is the routers for the virtual
>> subnets are also "virtual" since there's no physical separation.  (Or as my
>> friend likes to call them "a router on a stick".)

>Yes, and if the networks aren't separated, that means that any
>communications between those subnets is transmitted on the same physical
>segment twice...Yuck!!

Yep.  Again - not the way I'd have set things up.

>> That's *exactly* what I was wondering about yesterday.  Since the network
>> segments are not physically separated how would DHCP know which subnet a
>> computer is supposed to be on - it wouldn't.  What I'm thinking is DHCP
>> will assign addresses out of pool A until there's no more left and then
>> assign from pool B.  Is this correct thinking?

>I don't know.  I think that DHCP will simply server up all of the pool
>A, and then stop giving out new ones.

That makes two of us.  I may have to experiment with that if I can convince
them it's in their best interest to find out.

>> Right.  That's how I would have done it were it my network, but it isn't.
>> To be honest, I'm not really sure why their network is setup the way it is
>> - it seems a little goofy to me but apparently it works for them.  To each
>> his own.

>It's a lot goofy.  And it's inefficient.  If they're using 10Mbit,
>they're going to run out of bandwidth fast.

Ok, I'll go with a lot goofy.  ;-)  Fortunately for them, they have an ATM
backbone.

>> No offense taken.  You've already helped me to clarify a few things I was
>> wondering about - some of them before I had even asked the question.
<grin>

>Cool.

Yep!

-Eric


Eric Sisler
Library Computer Technician
Westminster Public Library
Westminster, CO, USA
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