On Sat, 20 Sep 2003, mark wrote:
>
> Let's see: I see a report on slashdot that abiword 2.0 was released. I went
> where that pointed, and it had the SuSE, the gnome, and the gtk versions of
> the release. I *presume* that they all use and need the same libraries, yet
> each one finds *different* libraries missing, and most of those libraries
> are, in fact, installed on my system. This does not seem reasonable. The
> linked site included those packages, but neither had a RedHat one, nor a
> link to it.
It's not all that unreasonable. First of all, the different versions may
very well link to different GUI library versions. They might take
advantage of library features if the system has them installed, and
integrate less elegantly (but still work) on systems that don't.
Also, RPM doesn't detect whether files are physically on your system, it
checks whether files or features are registered with the RPM database.
How those features are registered (even where certain files live) is
distribution-dependent, so SuSE packages may fail to recognize features
when installed on an RH system and vice versa. (That's one drawback to
an otherwise very useful system.)
> Then, I've stayed away from RawHide, because I was under the impression that
> this was alpha or beta releases only.
The *packages* are generally test releases. The software that's contained
in them may or may not be so. I install Rawhide packages on production
systems with reasonable frequency, but they are usually standalone
programs or subsystems (e.g., Mozilla). I am very wary of installing
kernels, compilers, libraries, XFree86, etc., from Rawhide without
explicit assurances from Red Hat support that they will work. If the
library versions in Rawhide don't match mine, then I'll grab the SRPM and
rebuild it. That often fixes dependency-related issues. If it doesn't
work, I have to be prepared to back down.
> So I found the RawHide version, after your email. Still wants more libs....
>
> Got the other requirements, but now it wants a newer aspell than came with
> Shrike...and rpmfind did not find me a Rawhide aspell. So I had to dig down
> over there to find one. Why it *requires* the latest aspell is beyond me -
> it should accept one a few months old. Unless the folks coding it are not
> using proper standards, using data hiding, etc, and have altered the
> interfaces, it should be pointing to something like libaspell.so, rather
> than libaspell.so.15....
Maybe. What features have been added to Aspell (or bugs fixed) that it
might depend on? There *are* good reasons to alter an API/ABI as a
program evolves, but it should not be done lightly. On the other hand,
maybe rebuilding is all you need.
> So, after all that, I've now got the RawHide version installed, and
> *finally*, when I go to print preview, it isn't showing it in a cursive
> italic font.
> <snip>
> > Perhaps because you're trying to use rpm packages from another
> > distribution rather than those released from RedHat ?
>
> Again, ->abiword<- should need the same libraries, regardless of distro.
> It's a bloody word-fucking-processor, not a bleeding-edge video game that
> needs the release of NVidia's latest card that doesn't come out till next
> year! The software should be *portable*, not that different between
> releases.
See above. The software probably is portable, but the RPM *is* the port
and may not be portable itself. (Note: it's a *GUI* word processor.
There's lots of movement in GUI libraries at the moment, and the apps are
changing to keep up. That would make library dependencies critical.)
> <snip>
> > You really need to take your own advice. Even if Michael had made a
> > mistake, which he didn't, a little grattitude for his attempt at
> > helping you would be in order.
>
> Or maybe I'm looking for deeper answers (like the business with libcrypto
> and libssl). Perhaps I would have found it appropos if I was a newbie...but
> when I give examples of required packages, and what is already installed,
> it should be obvious I was looking for more.
Everyone involved here would do well to cool off a bit, I think. We don't
all already know each other's backgrounds, and it's not always obvious
from the context of an e-mail, even if the author thinks it is.
>
> I'm grateful to someone when they give me help in what I ask for help in.
> For the person who suggested OpenOffice.org, *sigh*, I recommend he search
> the archives of this list for all the screaming and yelling over yes, it's
> good, but agh! it's a *dog*, and slower and bigger than M$ Oriface, er,
> Office.
>
> Now, if I can just figure out why it has a problem with gnome-print (which I
> *assume* has no problem talking to lpRNG)....
I could say something about the value of assuming things, but it might be
misinterpreted so I will refrain.
Do you have the latest redhat-config-printer?
>
> mark "and convince my SO to let me upgrade her from 7.3 to shrike..."
>
>
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Matthew Saltzman
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http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs
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