On Fri, 2003-09-19 at 14:11, Sean Estabrooks wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 10:14:40 +0200
> Asbjorn Hoiland Aarrestad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Got a challenging routing problem, and perhaps some of you can help
> > me.
> > 
> > The network is as follows.
> > We have 12 "standalone" nodes with wireless lan cards. The nodes are 
> > placed on a line, and the average distance between each node is 400 
> > meters. With good wireless cards, that means that we can reach two or 
> > three node neighbours on each side of a node. (the nodes will be
> > placed 
> > in the middle of nowhere, security is not the issue since the biggest 
> > security risk will be the ice and polar bears. This also means that 
> > putting up tp-wires is not an option)
> > 
> > on each side of the line of nodes, there will be a server. There will 
> > only be people at the first server (beside the first node) The nodes 
> > will be collecting data, and we want to transfer the data to the
> > server 
> > beside the first node. But we also want to be able to telnet into each
> > 
> > of the nodes to be able to do maintainance (so we don't have to use a 
> > snow-mobile and get very cold each time there is a problem on one of
> > the 
> > nodes)
> > 
> > Any ideas on how to make a "good enough" network, enabeling us to 
> > communicate between the nods and the servers?
> > 
> > 
> 
> Hi Asbjorn,
> 
> Sounds like a fun project.
> 
> The first thought that springs to mind is that you treat each node as 
> a separate network.   Essentially a network of 1 with each node having
> a fixed IP address on its own subnet. Then run a routing daemon on each
> node that discovers its neighbours and shares that route information
> with each of them.  This should give you some resiliency in the face of
> a single node dropping out.
> 

I have zero experience with wireless so excuse my boneheaded
question(s).  I think this is going to make me take an orthogonal view
from how I normally picture a network.  Perhaps it is my needing to read
up on routing daemons that would fill in my blank spots.

My usual thinking ( forget wifi for a minute)

base server --------node1---------node2 ...  node12-------remote server

in a wired scenario each node would have 2 nics and each segment between
the boxes would be separate networks with exactly 2 hosts.  4
ipaddresses would be required to correctly subnet each network.

Now, Sean said make each node a network and since there is only one
interface that can talk to multiple networks, this is where I get
bumfuzzled since as I said, I usually thing of the link between machines
as the network.  

I think of this as logical links (assume that each machine can see the
next two)

                      /----------------     ---\ 
base server --------node1---------node2 ...  node12-------remote server
    \------------------------------/             


Since the network interface on any given node can see multiple networks
is this tantamount to running multiple subnets on the same wire?  Is
there the concept of a default gateway in this scenario? I can't see how
since in all neworking I have done the next hop or default gateway to
another network is on the same subnet as the host.

Does this make sense?  what am I missing?

Bret





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